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B
Or
am
I
having
hi,
no
I
was
muted.
Sorry,
okay,
that's
good
I,
never
know
I.
Just
I
have
phys
I
have
a
hardware
mute
button
that
I
usually
just
keep
on,
because
I
also
have
monitor
have
like
monitor
in
here.
So
I
can
hear
myself
when
I'm
actually
talking
so
I
just
keep
it
muted
between
meetings,
but.
A
B
And
people
always
like
it's.
E
E
F
Someday
we'd
love
to
hook
it
into
the
power
the
same
glow
root,
the
UI
and
collector
experience
via
Hotel
instrumentation.
E
But
I
remember
in
the
some
point:
I
think
that
you
know
that's
kind
of
when
you
got
involved
the
product
to
a
certain
extent.
You
were
donating
a
lot
of
the
bits
and
pieces
as
well
as
some
of
the
just
overall
tactics
from
glow
root
to
get
Auto
instrumentation
set
up
Pages
ago
right
and
stuff.
Well,.
F
We
ended
up
bringing
in
the
datadog
we
kind
of
looked
at
a
couple,
different
open
source
places
to
start
from,
so
we
ended
up
bringing
in
the
datadog,
but
it
would
have
definitely
benefited
from
myself
from
Laurie
at
Splunk
is
has
deep
Java
by
code.
Instrumentation
experience
also
yeah.
E
E
C
C
A
It
was
just
after
last
weeks,
I
think
you
posted
a
a
spreadsheet
where
we
could
set
the
the
the
priorities
for
the
next
year
and
I
thought
it
would
be
a
good
opportunity
for
us
also
to
review
what
we
had
around
the
same
time
last
year
and
see
what
we
wanted
to
do.
What
we
actually
accomplished
I
think
it's,
it's
probably
a
good.
E
D
E
You
know
you
can
see
the
people
here
at
the
time
there
are
11
members
in
the
GC.
This
is
the
year
that
we
went
down
by
two,
so
some
overlap
with
today,
but
definitely
some
other
thoughts
like
constants
and
stuff
who've
been
gone
for
a
while.
You
can
see
like
the
way
that
this
worked
with
the
just
the
waiting
like
the
ones
that
maybe
it
would
make
the
most
sense
Tracy
just
to
talk
to
the
ones
that
were
highlighted
because
they
were
the
ones
that
seem
to
have.
E
I
mean
I
guess
just
to
kind
of
get
into
it
like
do.
We
feel
like
this
feels
less
like
a
fire
than
it
did.
I
remember
how
this
fell
at
the
time.
I
was
particularly
on
collector,
but
I
don't
know
if
people
feel
like
we're
in
a
truly
okay
state
with
the
maintainers
or
just
it's
not
something
we
talked
about
being
on
fire
like
we
used
to.
C
I
think
I
think
at
least
I
can
say
you
know,
given
that
all
the
work
that
we've
done
with
the
collector
I
think
the
status
changed
a
bit
because
we
had
you
know
a
couple
more
maintainers
join
in,
but
I
still
think
that
you
know
one
of
the
things
in
just
having
chatted
with
some
of
the
other
end.
C
Users
large
end
users
as
well
as
some
of
the
you
know,
vendors
such
as
AWS
and
Google,
at
least
I
can
say
that,
from
their
point
of
view
that
the
the
status
did
not
change
so
so
I
think
that
the
issue
of
diversification
of
maintainers,
as
well
as
the
issue
of
having
more
folks,
being
able
to
easily
participate
and
lead
some
of
the
sub
areas
in
The
Collector,
because
the
collector
is
such
a
large
composite
of
you
know,
contributed
components
as
well
as
key
core
components
still
needs
to
be
looked
at
right,
I
mean
it's
not
something
that
has
been
solved
per
se.
A
Just
to
throw
some
numbers
in
discussion
here,
so
we
had
two
maintainers
on
the
core
last
year
from
the
same
company
and
this
year
we
have
three
so
one
stepped
out
and
one
stepped
in,
and
we
still
have
two
from
one
company
and
one
from
a
separate
company.
So
I
think
that's
a
progress.
A
On
on
the
contrib,
we
have
six
maintainers
right
now,
more
diversity
there
in
terms
of
who
they
work
for
not
so
much
diversity
on
any
other
aspect
and
I.
Think
looking
at
the
names
here,
I
believe
that
we
have
at
least
three
new
maintainers
and
perhaps
even
four
so
I
think.
That's
also
good.
A
Still
see
so,
while
we
are
not
on
the
same
fire
that
we
were
last
year,
I
think
it's
you're
not
ideal,
not
because
of
the
collector,
but
because
of
the
other
person,
so
I
remember,
Ted,
mentioning
that
we
don't
actually
have
anyone
with
expertise
on
client
instrumentation
to
actually
lead
with
lead
the
clients
orientation
seek
with
a
proper
expertise
or
proper
knowledge
on
the
on
the
domain
charge.
If
my
reading
is
wrong
here,
please
correct
me
and
I
have
the
same
feeling
for
the
mobile
instrumentation
as
well,
and
I.
G
A
And
I
think
Java
was
not
a
concern
last
year.
So
I
think
genre
was
one
of
the
examples
we
had
as
a
healthy
ecosystems
or
a
healthy
communities.
We
have
there,
but
a
lot
of
other.
C
Ones,
but
maybe
you
can
give
I
mean
again,
I
think
that
this
is
an
area
that
you
know,
I
think
needs
constant
eyeballs
right,
because
it
is,
you
know
the
project
has
so
many
different
language
was
being
supported,
language
communities,
you
know,
and
things
associated
with
that
as
well
as
special
interest.
You
know
area
topics
that
are
being
focused
on
so
I
do
think
it's
good
to
have
a
regular
review
of
you
know
that
balance
and-
and
it
does
change
right
over
year
to
year
as
well
as
seasonally.
C
But
having
said
that,
I
think
you
know,
Java
was
in
a
much
stronger
position
earlier.
It
did
dip
down
to
literally
you
know
a
couple
of
core
contributors
at
some
point,
and
also
you
know
that
that
pattern
has
continued
Trask
unless
you
say
otherwise,
but
I
do
think
that
you
know
we
had
a
lot
more
Java
maintainers
initially
two
years
ago
versus
what,
where
we
are
now
so
again,
I
think
that
it's
good
to
look
at
those
changes
over
time,
also
so
that
you
know
we
can
also
plan
ahead
and
see.
C
Okay,
how
do
we
support
others
to
get
more
involved?
C
F
F
I
think
it's
a
great
thing
to
put
in
the
list,
I
think
on
the
language
sigs,
you
know,
I
would
love
to
see.
Like
you
know.
Maybe
we
could
out
reach
out
to.
There
are
some
big
APM
vendors
who
I
know
have
very
talented
people
working
at
them
who
aren't
engaged
in
open
Telemetry
as
much
so
that
could
be
a
source.
F
A
pool
of
people
I
would
also
include
in
this
the
TC,
because
you
mentioned
you
know
these
cross
language
working
groups,
all
of
the
the
semantic
convention
working
groups.
That
Ted
is
proposing
I'm
concerned
that
the
TC
could
be
a
bottleneck
and
yeah.
C
Yeah
and
needs
to
have
more,
you
know,
subject
matter
activities
in
different
areas,
right
because
again,
there's
core
expertise
that
the
TC
has
today
with
many
of
the
participants.
But
then
there
are
others
and-
and
also
you
know,
as
Yuri
has
brought
up
in
the
past.
The
TC
does
not
have
an
elected
process
today,
and
and
that's
something
that
you
know
folks
who
have
been
interested
in
getting
more
involved
at
least
I
have
heard
feedback
in
terms
of
you
know,
making
it
a
more.
E
I
just
want
to
do
a
time
check.
We
just
spent
10
minutes
talking
about
one
of
these
I
think
we
discussed
that
we'll
need
I
mean
I,
would
say
at
least
an
hour
to
actually
go
through
this
list
in
terms
of
going
to
the
stuff
from
last
time.
Maybe
it
would
be
best
just
I'm
just
trying
to
don't
I'm
not
attached
to
this,
but
we
could
just
say,
like
you
know,
multiple
choice.
This
is
not
a
problem
anymore.
This
is
still
kind
of
a
problem,
or
this
is
just
as
bad
as
it
was
in
2021.
E
Maybe
that's
the
level
of
discussion.
We
should
be
having
right
now
because
we'll
just
never
get
through
this.
The
stuff.
These
things
are
too
big.
Does
that
make
sense
to
people,
and
then
we
can
obviously
and
then
for
the
things
that
we
still
need
to
discuss.
We
can
discuss
them
when
the
time
comes,
I,
just
I,
don't
think
we'll
have
time
for
the
real
discussion
right
now.
Does
that
make
sense.
C
A
I
think
it's
to
a
problem
I
think
we
still
have
to
invest
some
time
in
thinking
about
this
for
sure.
E
My
quick
take
is
that
we're
doing
meetings
and
stuff,
but
the
vast
majority
of
people
attending
them
are
not
end
users,
so
I,
don't
think
we've
really
cracked,
this
and
I
still
think
of
it
as
being
a
pretty
critical
issue.
I'm
almost
more
of
a
critical
issue
than
it
was
last
time
actually
did.
Is
that
bring
through
different
people.
E
B
Just
gonna
just
clarifying
are
we
talking?
Are
you
talking
about
the
end
user
working
group
or
the
discussion
groups?
They
run.
E
C
There
is
a
fair
bit
of
interest
in
getting
more
involved
and,
as
you
have
seen,
you
know
from
some
of
the
end
users
already
eBay
web
day,
Etc
they're,
you
know
atlassian.
They
have
been
in
starting
to
get
more
involved,
but
we'd
like
to
you
know,
obviously
figure
out
a
way
to
tap
into
you
know
their
their
interests.
Also.
G
D
We
were
just
discussing
in
the
end
user's
working
group
earlier
today,
how
to
best
condense
and
publicize
the
feedback
that
we
are
getting,
because
these
end
user
meetings
we
are
having
end
users,
show
up.
There's
interesting
discussion
so
but
related
to
an
agenda
item
I
had
down
farther
the
thing
that
we
lack
is
we
don't
have
a
mechanism
for
prioritizing
the
spec
backlog
and
so
I
think
we
need
more
project
management
around
like
the
spec
in
our
roadmap,
so
that
we
actually
have
something
to
channel
that
feedback
into.
E
I'm
trying
to
hear
it
to
my
own
guidance
around
not
having
discussion
now,
even
though
I'm
super
tempted
to
say
a
bunch
of
stuff,
but
it'll
be
fun
to
talk
about
later.
If
we
want
to
move
on
to
this
I,
just
obviously,
people
are
welcome
to
just
literally
change
my
wording
in
the
2022
tab
in
this
thing,
but
I
wrote
something
down.
Hopefully
you
saw
that
I'm.
This
could
be
rephrased
as,
like
you
know,
we're
not
good
at
hitting
our
roadmap
targets.
E
G
G
Yeah
metrics
was
like
brutal
for
this
I
think.
The
challenge
now
is
that
we
have
like
this
is
something
I'm
working
on
and
I
know.
Ted
is
also
working
and,
like
others
are
working
on.
It's
like
we
actually
don't
have
as
many
roadmap
targets
anymore.
Now
that
metrics
is
done,
which
is
a
different
problem,
but
equally
bad
problem.
C
No
but
I
think
Morgan
part
of
it
is
that
you
know
if
you
just
are
taking
logging
Milestones,
that's
probably
not
been
as
itemized
and
you
know
spelled
out
as
we
did
with
metrics,
because
metrics.
G
C
C
No,
no
I
was
just
concluding
the
point
being
that
the
same
thing
applies
to
events
and
profiles,
also
right
with
the
real
user
monitoring
you
know
been
combined
into
the
client,
instrumentation,
Sig
and
and
also
the
profiling
support
that
we
would
like
to
see
further.
Even
those
are
items
you
know
that
actually
have
a
fair
bit
of
detail.
That
should
be
correct.
Right
I
mean
it's
just
that
I
think
that
that
work
has
not
been
done.
Morgan,
as
you
said,
trust
please
go.
C
Yep
yep
absolutely,
but
you
know
we're
not
gonna
just
again
to
that
point:
I
think
we
do
need
to
have
more
milestones
and
more
clear
deliverables
for
each
one
of
those.
You
know
sub
segments,
okay,.
E
C
G
E
Yeah
I
think
if
we
think,
if
we
take
out
the
I,
think
it's
fair
to
segment
the
getting
started,
documentation
piece
which
is
part
of
just
making
it
easy
for
Motel
users
to
adopt
a
hotel,
as
if
you
separate
that
from
the
cons
and
messaging
subject,
I
think
it's
gotten
way
better.
I
think
we
can
take
it
off
and
we're
already
capturing
some
of
the
some
of
the
getting
started
stuff
with
this
one
and
I
think
that's
probably
the
right
framing
to
think
about
it.
E
Gosh
I
have
to
admit
I'm,
not
interested
in
taking
this
on
16.
That
doesn't
mean
we
shouldn't
talk
about.
It.
Does
clean
slavery,
visit
collaboration
model.
C
Think
some
of
it
has
been
addressed
Ben
because
there
are
APAC
groups
at
least
for
end
users
now.
But
the
point
is
that
it's
still
you
know,
Miss
does
not
cover
Asia
for
sure
our
timings
for
six
are
not
Asia
friendly
at
all,
so
it
really
deters
participation
from
Asia
and.
F
C
That's
something
that
is
an
issue
because
I
mean
I
get
pinged
on
slack.
You
know
with
you,
know,
folks
participating
from
Asia,
but
they're
all
off
band
they're,
never
participating
in
the
six.
Yes.
E
C
E
C
I
think
I
think
it's
a
2024
priority
Ben,
because
until
our
signals
and
functionality
around,
it
is
stable,
conformance
and
you
know,
doesn't
have
great
value,
but
on
the
other
hand,
you
know
if
we
had
the
energy
on
the
project
to
be
able
to
set
it
up
for
tracing.
You
know
which
is
stable
or
for
metrics
As.
You
move
towards
it.
You
know,
then,
maybe
that's
a
way
to
think
about
it,
but
I
I
do
think
that
conformance
cannot
be
rolled
out
end
to
end
until
the
basic
functionality
the
project
delivers
is.
B
And
there's
just
some
commentary
on
that
too.
I
think
the
biggest
driver
for
our
conformance
and
trademark
program
will
actually
be
around
training
and
certification,
rather.
C
B
E
B
E
I
will
someone
Ted
since
you're
talking
just
write
down
what
you
think
that
should
be
like
here,
because
it
sounds
like
we're
changing
the
what
we're
talking
about
I
just
feel
like.
E
Me
of
capturing
that
I
understand
what
you're
saying
but
and
then,
and
then
this
stuff,
just
you
know,
triagara
role,
I
think
that's
the
type
of
the
spirit
of
what
we're
talking
about
here.
Is
this
still
something
that
this
should
be
a
priority
for
us
to
talk
about.
C
I
think
I
think
that's
always
an
open
issue,
but
not
I
mean
how
do
we
reiterate
that
it
really
is
called
for
Action
right
for
more
contributors
to
get
involved.
E
B
I
I
think
that
somebody
does
kind
of
fall
under
me,
though,
like
making
sure
that
maintainers
are
aware
that
they
have
those
resources
from
the
foundation
and
that
we
can
access
them
like
that's
something
that
I
can
like
set
up.
What
way
programs
to
like
make
people
aware
of
and
get
the
word
out
about,.
C
It
and
and
the
other
part
that
is
missing
here
when
you
might
want
to
just
note
it
is
the
credits,
AWS
credits
or
gcp
credits,
because
one
of
the
things
that
you
know
we
have
had
issues
with
in
terms
of
building
out
testing
you
know
and
and
actually
being
able
to
run
tests
against
each
of
these
Stacks
is
leveraging
the
credits
on
the
program
and
I
know
we
had
this
issue
with
Lambda.
You
know
when
we
were
working
on
it
or
The
Collector
as
well
as
other.
You
know.
C
Just
you
know,
testing
that
has
been
added
over
time,
especially
integration
testing.
So
I
do
think
that
AWS
credits
or
credits
in
general
from
cncf
at
Austin
should
be
added
to
that
list,
because
there
is
no
clear
process
understood
by
the
maintainers
today
to
leverage
these
credits.
C
Each
vendor,
Azure
yeah
sure
sure
Justin
I
can
do
that.
Yeah.
E
I
feel
bad
that
we've
left
two
minutes
for
anything
else.
We
want
to
talk
about.
I
will
stop
sharing
andreasi.
E
B
Can
I
get
10
seconds
real,
quick
just
to
let
people
know
I've
submitted
a
open,
Telemetry,
Community
Day
as
part
of
the
new
kubecon
events
thing
that
went
out
to
folks.
So
if
you
have
questions
about
that,
please
let
me
know,
but
I've
submitted.
B
I
think
we're
good
for
both
EU
and
an
A,
but
yeah
you
can
talk
to
me
async
about
it.
C
I
just
added
the
details
for
cubecon
changes
in
the
docs
in
the
dock
in
case
folks
are
interested
in
the
details.
They
did
remove
the
extra
fees
that
were
being
charged
for
registrants
to
attend
the
additional
days
and
it
has
all
been
clubbed
into
the
you
know
the
primary
fee
that
cncf
charges,
as
well
as
the
events,
have
been
limited
to
one
day
and
will
all
go
through
the
cncf
for
kubecon.
They.
B
B
B
B
I
will
also
probably
be
yes,
please
prepare
your
marketing
or
events
or
your
field.
Marketing
teams
for
additional
I
asks
around
sponsorship
levels,
though.
G
A
So
does
that
change
anything
on
the
sentiment
on
having
a
an
off
site
for
for
the
GC.
C
A
A
Who's,
organizing
that
are
you,
organizing,
should
yeah.
B
C
D
B
A
Long
as
it
won't
clash
with
my
other
duties,.
C
Yeah,
let's
chat
in
the
GC
Channel
and
we
can
totally
work
it
out,
which.