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A
Hello
folks,
hi,
congratulations!
Ben!
Oh
thanks!
Yeah!
Congratulations!
I'm
actually
seeing
you
face
to
face
since
the
announcement.
B
Yeah,
well,
you
know,
I
think,
we're
actually
on
zoom
but
but
yeah,
it's
no!
I'm
just
kidding
yeah
it's
good.
I
mean.
I
think
I
don't
like
keeping
secrets,
and
so
I'm
incredibly
relieved
just
because
I've
been
sitting
on
this
for
like
two
months
or
something
like
that,
but
but
yeah
it's
good.
That's
good!.
C
You
can
tell
that
actually
for
me
an
omniscient
right
like
they
told
me,
I
had
to
move
to
san
francisco,
but
they
couldn't
tell
me
I
actually
didn't
have
to
go
to
san
francisco
until
like
I
was
in
san
francisco
because
of
the
acquisition
really
yeah
so
like.
I
could
have
kept
stayed
in
seattle
like
afterwards,
but
like
at
that
point.
It
was
like
two
layers
already
in
san
francisco
and
like
they
couldn't
tell
like
yeah.
A
Yeah
there
was
a
fun
time
right
before
google
did
the
google
did
this
thing
when
the
stock
price
dropped
really
really
low?
A
If
you
remember
this,
then
like
where
google
reissued
people
stock
options,
if
they
extended
the
expiration
date
by
if
they
extend
investing
by
a
year,
so
I
received,
I
worked
in
corp
in
court
I.t
systems
and
I
got
this
phone
call
that
was
like
you
are
now
like,
even
if
you
do
nothing
with
the
information
like,
even
if
you
don't
agree
to
work
on
this
project,
you
are
now
bound
by
it
by
a
restriction
on
selling
your
shares.
Congratulations
just
by
the
act
of
picking
up
the
phone.
B
I
have
to
say
liz.
I
thought
that
that
was
a
all
all
things
considered,
a
very
generous
act
like
on
google's
part
like,
as
far
as
I
mean
the
actual
thing
that
they
did
because,
like
so
many
people
are
like
super
underwater
on
these
grants,
and
it's
like
you
can
extend
your
vesting
or
not
but
being
underwater
sucks.
So
at
least
it
wasn't
like
terrible
news.
Maybe,
although
I
don't
like
the
legality
of
what
you
just
said,
but.
A
No,
it
was
not
option
repricing
right
because
they
actually
were
canceling
your
rants
and
issuing
brand
new
ones.
B
E
G
H
F
F
A
A
D
I
F
Asked
for
admin,
access
to
delete
them
and
sergey
added
the
ability
to
delete
issues
to.
F
All
right
next
issues,
next
agenda
item
is
dan,
a
formal
procedure
for
creating
approver
maintainer
teams,
freaking
trip.
E
I
know
this
is
something
that
we've
talked
about
in
other
meetings
and
I
think
also
this
one
but
the
maintainers
meeting.
It's
come
up
a
couple
of
times
the
idea
of
having
separate
maintainership
for
contributes-
and
I
just
didn't
know
whether
somebody
had
taken
this
and
and
actually
made
an
official
procedure
out
of
it
or
if
there
is
an
existing
one
already
or
if
that's
something
that
we
should
be
doing.
I
So
I
think
that
in
the
short
run
daniel,
I
do
think
that
it
would
be
great
to
have
contrib
code
owners
separate
from
from
the
core,
because
it's
just
you
know,
creates
an
better
pipeline
for
more
folks
who
are
approvers
or
reviewers
to
graduate
and
also
take
responsibility
for
the
integrity
of
those
components,
and
you
know
work
with
the
core.
I
Reviewers
and
core
maintainers
become
advisors
rather
than
having
to
do
all
the
heavy
lifting
themselves,
but
in
the
long
run
also
I've
been
working
with
you
know:
josh,
sureth
and
and
roddy
on
on
being
able
to
build
out
a
more
comprehensive
proposal.
I
know
tigran
and
bogdan
had
a
suggested
proposal
for
diversification
of
collector
maintainership
or
you
know,
components,
but
I
am
working
on
a
more
concrete
proposal.
I
will
share
that.
You
know
next
week.
I
I
have
a
whole
set
of
documented
issues
as
well
as
we
are
kind
of
working
through
okay.
How
do
we
do
this
in
the
long
run
and
that
integrates
bogdan
again?
The
proposal
that
tigran
shared
yesterday
so
that
that's
just
the
update
that
I
think
that
will
also
hopefully
bring
up
the
conversation
of
having
clear
roles
about
the
tc.
You
know
what,
where
the
tc
can
extend,
expand
into
as
well
as
maintainer
steps.
I
can.
I
I
can
share
a
link
with
the
with
the
current
snapshot
of
of
the
slide
deck.
I
have.
Let
me
just
do
that.
You
guys
can
take
a
look
at
it
and
I
can
send
it
to
you
guys
too,
but
please
take
a
look
at
it.
Comment
on
it
and
and
I'll
form,
file,
formal
proposals
for
that.
F
And
I
guess
this
this
does
slightly
tie
into.
I
think
dan
you've
already
reviewed
it.
Nikita's
proposal
yeah.
I
I
Yes,
great
yeah,
I
mean
that's
the
idea
that
you
know
again
we're
just
having
a
more
comprehensive
proposal
and
documents
so
that
that
can
be
reviewed
by
everybody
rather
than
just
you
know,
kind
of
having
issues
just
being
filed,
but
at
least
also
having
a
more
central.
You
know
more
more
often
consolidated
approach,
so
we're
we're
at
the
point
where
we
are
not
being
able
to
scale
correct.
E
E
B
B
Yeah
yeah,
I
mean
so
I
mean
I
think,
it's
known
at
this
point,
but
lightsteps
agreed
to
be
acquired
that
doesn't
close
for
another
month
due
to
some
ftc
thing.
But
just
so
people
understand
this.
Like
our
head
count
plan
is
being
increased,
not
decrease
in
all
this
and
they're
very
excited
about
open,
telemetry,
et
cetera
et.
So
I
think
the
the
short
story
is
it'll,
probably
if
anything
increase
our
involvement,
hopefully
in
a
good
way
and.
B
B
But
I
just
wanted
to
let
people
know
as
far
as
like
changing
our
affiliations
and
stuff.
I
think
we
should
wait
for
the
transaction
to
close
and
then
actually
don't
whatsapp's
brand
is,
is
you
know
being
retained?
I
don't
know,
I
guess
we
generally
people
have
taken
the
affiliation
of
the
actual
c
corporation.
B
They
work
for,
and
I'm
happy
to
to
do
that
although
it'll
be
a
little
confusing
because,
like
I'll
still
be
kind
of
flying
under
lightstep
colors
in
terms
of
talks
and
stuff,
I
actually
don't
care
what
you
all
want
to
do
about
that,
but
I
think
when
omniscient
joined
we
went
to
splunk
right
yeah,
whatever
we
can
figure
it
out.
B
F
Ben,
I
have
a
question
and-
and
we
can
skip
it
if
you
want,
but
but.
D
F
When
so,
like
bloomberg,
last
week
was
reporting
that
jeff
bezos
is
buying
this,
like
120
meter
yacht,
and
when
I
asked
some
friends
who
worked
at
uber
when
they
ipo
and
what
size
of
yacht
they
were
buying.
They
joked
a
dinghy
with
a
hole
in
it
because
the
stock
didn't
do
so
well
after
they
got
acquired
graph
story
after
they
went
public
on
that
scale.
B
B
A
Yes,
this
appears
to
be
a
response
to
grafana
lab's
announcement
that
they
are
changing
over
licensing
from
on
grafana
tempo
and
loki
to
a
gpl
from
apache
license.
A
A
No
because
refine
right,
like
it's
with
the
next
major
release
of
grafana,
that
ajpl
is
being
is
being
introduced
as
a
licensing.
It
does
not
retroactively.
Take
away
the
license
right.
You
cannot
take
away
from
you're
already
given,
but
future
development
is
moving
under.
You
cannot
update
the
dependency.
This
may
create
security
implications.
D
Yeah,
so
that's
one
thing,
and
we
also
because
of
dependency
chains
and
stuff.
We
we
keep
everything
up
to
date,
which
means
we
cannot
do
that
with
grafana,
because
we
will
pick
up
the
new
one.
What.
D
From
grafana
right
now
we
have
a
lucky
exporter.
A
A
Where
we
need
to
make
sure
that
all
of
the
tc
knows
that
all
maintainers
know
that
there
is
a
process
to
apply
for
exceptions
if
needed
from
the
ncf
governing
board.
And
they
say
that
the
exceptions
are
very
unlikely
to
be
granted
and
that
they
would
prefer
that
grafana
labs
release
any
components
needed
to
integrate
under
a
apache
license
or
contribute
them
back
to
us
in
a
way
that
we
can
still
have
integration
and
not
expose
people.
Legal
risk
from
running
the
collector
or
improving
the
collector
et
cetera.
F
F
A
They
just
want
to
move
it
to
a
different
room.
That'll
solve
the
problem,
yep,
okay,
yeah.
It
just
means
that
we
cannot
ship
it
out
of
the
box,
et
cetera,
et
cetera,
yeah
and
the
other
thing
is.
They
announced
that
it
does
not
impact
amazon's
gesture,
because
amazon
has
private
commercial
licensing
terms.
So.
A
A
concern
for
like
for
our
community
as
the
open
source
community,
rather
than
kind
of
each
each
distributor
of
a
distro,
can
do
whatever
they
want.
D
A
No,
I
don't
offhand,
I
just
know
that
it
impacts
everything
or
like
everything.
Your
final
labs
produces.
Okay,.
I
Everything
just
grafana,
loki
and
temple
not
not
be
plug-ins.
There
is
actually
a
more
nuance
in
the
grafana
repos.
I
I
But
do
you
need
a
list
or
should
I
get
one
for
you
or
what?
What
would
help.
A
I
we
don't
need
it
like
right
now.
We
just
need
to
put
it
into
the
agenda
for
the
next
tc
for
the
next
maintainers
meeting
and
put
the
lesson.
C
A
I
No
bogdan,
it's
only
retroactive,
like
all
the,
as
liz
said,
only
the
releases
until
a
particular
version
number
after
that.
A
A
D
Okay,
should
we
ask
somewhere,
do
you
know
the
procedure.
A
I
I
can
I
can
reach
out
to
them.
If
you
want
to
give
me
an
action
item,
I.
B
I
G
B
I
mean
it's
still
open.
I
think
yeah.
B
Ago
and
it's
kind
of
crickets
in
there,
but
we
have
time
I
I
was
gonna.
I
Yeah
I
mean
I
just
wanted
to
call
it
out,
because
I
think
it's
a
pending
issue,
so
we
should
comment
on
it
and
the
other
parts.
I'm
sorry
when,
unless
you're
done
with
that,
I
just
wanted
to
remind
everyone
that
may
20th
is
the
you
know
date
for
us
actually
completing
all
the
documentation
needed
for
the
incubation.
I
Doc
is
expected
for
violina,
so
we
should
actually
find
some
time
to
review
and
and
make
sure
ted.
We
should
make
sure
that
the
documentation,
you
know,
maybe
you
and
I
can
work
together,
but
we
and
with
morgan
to
make
sure
that
the
documentation
they've
requested
is
there
and
it's
reviewed
by
us
so
that
we
can,
you
know,
give
a
heads
up
to
elena.
C
I
No,
I
think,
maybe
having
one
working
group
meeting
before
the
20th
would
be
a
good
thing.
So
again,
when's
the
tweet.
C
I
A
Cool
shall
we
go
ahead
and
drop
off
the
call
and
use
our
remaining
time
to
work
on
the
incubation
dock.