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C
You
have
do
you.
B
It's
in
my
laptop,
so
I
do
this
one
of
two
ways:
either
laptop
goes
on
my
chest,
and
this
is
just
the
laptop
lid
pivoting.
C
B
The
other
way
I
sometimes
do
things
is,
if
I
need
to
type
because,
like
this
doing
it,
this
way
is
not
very
ergonomic.
What
I
actually
do
is
I'll
just
prop
it
up
vertically,
so
the
camera
is
pointing
at
my
face
and
then
I
wish
I
had
a
mirror
here,
but
essentially
I
use
my
pinky
finger
to
hold
up
the
laptop
and
then
I
use
the
remaining
four
fingers
on
that
hand
and
then
all
five
fingers
on
my
right
hand
to
type.
B
A
B
No,
I
am
in
vancouver
until
november
and
then
I
head
back
to
australia
so
but
yeah
I
just
did
get
back
from
australia
mid-august.
So
I've
been
back
in
canada
for
the
past
two
weeks.
B
A
little
bit
more
back
and
forth
than
I
was
expecting
to
be
doing,
but
yeah
it's
working,
okay,.
A
A
B
Yeah,
the
other,
the
other
fun
one
for
me
is
dipping
my
toes
in
both
sides
of
the
pacific.
Oh.
A
C
B
All
right
well,
even
if
we
don't
necessarily
have
quorum
right
now,
a
subject
that
we're
going
to
bring
up
for
offline
discussions.
Some
folks
are
already
aware
in
particular,
I
know
ben
I
raise
this
with
you.
I
think
bugged,
and
you
also
are
aware,
based
on
the
previous,
not
so
great
experiences
that
we've
had
with
day
zero
events
at
kubecon
and
kind
of
requiring
people
to
buy
the
absurdly
expensive
coupon
ticket
in
order
to
attend.
B
We
are
a
number
of
folks
involved
in
the
hotel
community
are
discussing
doing
a
hotel
community
day.
That
is
not
an
official
cncf
cubecon
event
and
various
members
of
the
hotel
ecosystem
are
welcome
to
put
in
some
money
to
make
that
happen.
But
I
think
we
have
enough
critical
mass
to
drive
that
forward.
So
at
some
point
over
the
next
week
expect
a
pro
forma
vote
just
to
we
have
quorum.
B
D
B
Thing
the
hotel
and
practice
series
first
episode
happened
this
week.
It
was
unfortunately
zoom
bombed
by
some
by
some
awful
people,
because
we
published
the
zoom
url
publicly
and
the
people
running
the
event
did
not
have
access
to
the
correct
host
keys
to
be
able
to
kick
them
out.
So
we
had
to
migrate
to
a
different
zoom.
It
was
unfortunate
and
we'll
prepare
a
little
better
for
the
next
time,
but
I
think
operation
success
overall.
There
were
you
know.
Even
after
we
did
the
change
of
venue.
B
40
people
were
there
before
that.
I
think
something
like
60
to
80
people
were
there.
So,
like
that's,
really
great
turnout,
and
I
think
we
should
keep
doing
that.
The
community
seems
to
like
it.
A
There
are
like
a
whole
suits,
there's
a
whole
gaggle
of
open,
telemetry
sort
of
101-ish
webinar-ish
things
that
have
happened.
You
know
in
the
past
couple
of
years
or
whatever,
so
is
this
one
I
mean?
Are
you
bringing
it
up
liz?
Is
it?
Is
this
like
an
official
hotel
thing,
or
is
this
just
like
a
thing?
Yes,.
B
That's
correct:
this
is
what
I
asked
permission
for
two
or
three
weeks
ago
that
we,
you
know
officially,
voted
and
said.
Yes,
you
know
a
hotel
in
practice.
Webinar
series
was
a
fine
thing
to
run
under
the
hotel
official
spices.
So
that's
why
it
was
hosted
originally
on
the
cncf
zoom
link
and
that's
how
we
got
zoom
bombed
right.
We
wanted
it
to
be
vendor
neutral
right.
It
even
right
like
based
off
of
the
approval
at
hotel
gc.
B
We
put
a
page
up
for
it
on
opentelemetry.io
right,
so
right,
standard
parameters,
right,
like
you
know,
no,
you
know
more
than
one
organization
must
be
co-speaking
at
it,
etc,
etc.
Right,
like
all
the
right
safeguards
to
make
sure
that
it
is
compliant
with
our
community
marketing
policies,
and
you
know
no
lead
gen
for
any
particular
or
just
knowledge,
sharing
and
growing.
Our
community.
B
Yeah
the
same
week
as
kubecon,
we
corresponded
with
the
cncf
to
ask
them
what
the
parameters
were.
If
we
wanted
to
hold
a
an
official
event,
and
they
basically
said
if
you
overlap
with
any
official
cncf
content,
then
you
know
that
will
result
in
sanctions
against
org,
so
we'll
just
time
and
schedule
it
appropriately.
B
The
other
thing
that
they
said
is
you
may
not
run
group
transportation
from
the
official
conference
venue
to
to
your
separate
event,
but
given
that
you
know
the
conference
is
being
held
in
a
major
city
like
you
know,
we
can
just
rent
a
place.
That's
a
walk
away
like
we
don't
have
to
bust
people
around
it's
fine.
D
Sure
my
only
concern
is
that
we
have
a
few
folks
starting
yeah,
so
one
concern
is
that
some
folks
have
applied
for
have
submitted
proposals
for
this
observability
day.
So
as
long
as
it
sought
on
the
same
day,
it
should
it
should
be
fine.
Yes,.
B
It's
not
going
to
be
on
the
same
day
as
the
right
like.
In
fact,
it
would
be.
A
right
like
cncf
would
slap
us
on
the
wrist
if
we
did
do
it
on
day,
zero
on
the
official
community
on
the
official
co-located
event
day
yeah.
B
We
we
looked
at
throwing
in
on
the
kind
of
open
observability
day,
but
it
turns
out
that
that
is
much
more
focused
on
open
metrics
on
grafana,
on
open
source,
backend
technology
rather
than
on
telemetry
generation,
right
that
we
feel
that
open
telemetry
is
orthogonal
to
that
effort.
Right
like
it,
it
has
some
overlaps,
but
we
do
think
that
it
makes,
or
at
least
the
set
of
folks
who
have
started
putting
together.
This
proposal
think
that
it
would
be
better
to
do
a
separate
thing
just
for
hotel
contributors
and
newbies.
B
D
No
sorry,
I
meant
the
the
open
observation.
B
Oh
yeah,
that's
being
run
by
the
folks
by
at
least
based
on
the
brand
on
the
brand
name
and
the
technologies
being
involved.
I
think
it's
the
folks
that
logs
io
that
are
doing
it.
B
Right
it's
an
extension
of
right
like
blocks.
Io
has
for
many
years
run
open,
observability
events
that
are
focused
on
open
source
back-ends,
which
is
their
prerogative
and
their
right,
and
I
think
that's
a
cool
initiative
for
people
who
want
to
self-host.
But
it's
again
really
complementary.
D
B
Right,
no,
we,
we
did
the
co-located
event
thing
in
in
previous
years
and
we
found
the
restrictions
to
be
very
stifling
around
only
allowing
badged
attendees
of
the
full
kubecon
who
have
paid.
You
know
like
fifteen
hundred
dollars
to
attend.
That's
that's
the
problem.
B
B
We
just
didn't
even
try
in
the
first
place,
having
been
burned
for
the
last
time
and
no
one
wanting
to
take
up
that
mantle,
I'm
rotating
off
of
our
governance
committee
in
october,
so
you
know
someone
other
than
me
might
have
a
strong
opinion
about
doing
it
or
not
doing
it.
But.
A
If,
if
cncf
change
their
policies
so
that
it
costs,
you
know
well
whatever,
if
the
registration
fees
were
up
to
the
organizers
of
the
day,
zero
event,
would
that
be
fine?
I
mean
it
seems
like
it
would
be
nice
to
have
a
space
and
I
don't
mind
the
cncf
affiliation.
I
think
the
concern
really
was
people
were
like.
I
really
want
to
go
to
this,
I'm
not
planning
on
attending
kubecon,
and
this
is
way
too
much
for
a
one-day
observability.
B
Yeah,
that's
precisely
it
right,
like
you
are
allowed
to
set
additional
fees
for
co-located
days,
but
the
purchase
of
the
base
ticket
is
always
required
under
the
current
rules
right.
So
you
know,
I
think,
or
the
last
time
that
we
did
a
co-located
event
back
in
what
20,
20,
20
2019
or
something
right
like
we're
like.
Okay,
like
you
know,
we're
charging
up
charge
of
50
or
whatever
right,
and
we
can
so.
The
difference
here
is
that
you
know
we
can
collect
50
and
not
make
people
pay
that
the
thousand
bucks.
A
A
Not
putting
in
a
single
minute,
sweat,
equity
and
organizing
either
these
events
I'm
not
going
to
obstruct
any
of
the
possible
directions.
I
would
say
that
in
2019,
because
that's
what
I
thought
was
the
last
time
we
did
this.
It
was
like
an
entirely
different
ecosystem
for
open
telemetry,
like
I
think
we
would
find
that
if
we
did
the
co-located
event
for
better
or
worse,
we'd,
probably
be
oversubscribed
like
given
the
level
of
interest
in
hotel
stuff
at
cncf.
A
Related
events,
like
I
know
like
at
gophercon,
where
we
just
happened
like
lightstuff,
happened
to
be
there
and
was
doing
like
a
kind
of
vendor-less
hotel.
Talk
like
this
is
just
overflowing
with
people
who
are
like
running
hotel
in
production.
So
it's
really
not
the
case
even
a
year
ago.
So
I
think
we
would
find
that
it's
well
populated
it
might
be
exclusive
or
not
inclusive
enough,
for
some
people
might
be
frustrated
or
something,
but
we
are
going
to
be
taking
on
the.
A
My
main
concern
is
just
for
the
people
doing
the
organization
like
it's
not
a
totally
trivial
matter
to
go
and
just
secure
a
space
and
all
that
stuff.
I
don't
I
don't
mind
if
someone's
willing
to
do
it,
but
it
just.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that,
like
if
we're
worried
about
people
not
attending,
I
think
we
would
get
attendance
not
again
no
objections.
B
Yeah,
no,
it's
it's
the
matter
of
accessibility
and
kind
of
access
to
our
community.
I
think
the
one
thing
that
cncf
could
do
in
future
years
is
if
we
could
send
them
a
list
of
people
that
we
want
to
sponsor
for
kind
of
scholarships
to
be
able
to
attend
hotel
community,
even
if
they
can't
afford
the
main
cncf
event
right
like
that.
That
would
probably
be
fine.
I
just
don't
want
the
kind
of
barrier
to
be
there
such
that
someone
would
want
to
attend,
but
would
be
unable
to
afford
to.
A
D
Yeah-
and
it
doesn't
stop
us
from
having
the
two
options
right
so
having
a
a
open,
an
open
terms
today,
during
kubecon
and
at
six
months
from
that,
we
can,
we
could
have
an
open
energy
community
day
somewhere
else
dedicated
to
you
know
so
not
tied
to
to
keep
calm,
not
tied
to
the
sense
of
in
any
way.
C
C
A
B
C
A
And
whatever
hap
and
then
there's
also
the
other
event
that
that
eduardo
silva
and
co
were
organizing
too
right,
like
there's,
that's
separate
from
the
logs
io
thing
and
separate
from
the
thing
you're
talking
about
this
right.
A
Well,
it
came
up
in
the
gc
meeting
the
last
time
it
wasn't
on
pto,
which
I
think
was
two
weeks
ago.
Maybe,
but
there
was
like
kind
of
a
you
know,
a
grumpy,
I
would
say
email
thread
about
it.
D
A
B
Okay,
that
is
one
in
the
same
as
open,
observability
day
as
a
day,
zero
event
at
cncf.
That
does
sound
like
the
thing
I
was
talking
about,
that
is
focused
on
open,
metrics
and
on
and
on
jaeger,
and
on
prometheus
and
right,
like.
A
B
A
Okay,
cool
yeah:
I
got
it
all
right.
That
sounds
good
yeah.
I
think
I
think
the
kalyptia
people
are
the
ones
who
kind
of
spearheaded
that
but
looks
like
there's
some
other
folks
sponsoring
it
as
well.
Okay
sounds.
C
B
Oh
one
other
thing
I
think
austin
austin
and
rayne
asked
us
to
push
on
is:
can
we
get
some
forward
progress
on
the
community
maintainer
role,
please,
like?
Can
everyone,
after
this
meeting,
take
a
moment
to
read
through
the
proposal
and
vote
thumbs
up
thumbs
down?
B
A
C
B
I'm
not
super
worried
about
it
yet
because
it
is
going
to
be
in
october
and
it
is
not
yet
september
once
it
gets
to
be
september.
Yes
I'll
start
thinking
about
it.
I
ran
the
elections
last
time
because
I
did
not
need
to
stand
for
re-election
this
time.
My
term
is
up,
but
I
am
not
standing
for
re-election
so
yeah,
I'm
happy
to
run
the
voting
process
again
and
yep.
You
know
I
will
need
like
at
least
one
other
person.
B
Last
name
was
alita
to
kind
of
help
me
manage
the
process
so
that
there
can
be.
You
know
there
is
no
doubt
that
I
did
not
personally
rig
the
elections
that
it.
You
know
we
have
the
two-person
rule
here
with
handling
any
of
the
any
of
these
secrets
from
helios
voting.
B
So
if
someone
wants
to
volunteer
to
help
you
with
that
or
you
know,
it
doesn't
have
to
be
a
gc
member,
even
happy
to
solicit
volunteers
for
kind
of
forming
an
election
committee,
but
we
don't
need
to
worry
about
that
until
september.
Basically,.
B
C
B
Okay,
cool:
let's
give
everyone
13
minutes
back,
go
quickly
and
read
the
github
issue
that
that
ben
just
linked
and
hopefully
we'll
have
community
maintainers
in
the
next
and
then
in
the
next
day
or
so.
If
all
goes
well,
cheers.