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A
D
C
A
C
A
A
B
Who's
on
the
board,
on
the
tc
I
mean,
I
don't
think
donald
trace
has
any
anyone
on
the
tc.
A
A
So
well
to
be
a
little
bit
of
troublemaker.
What
I
see
currently,
if
all
all
parties
in
java
won't
want
to
migrate
to
java
8
api
and
the
only
one
say
no
is
dyna
trace,
and
so
I
don't
know
I
don't
know
the
the
political
landscape,
how
how
willing
we
are
to
piss
them
off.
So
maybe
that's
something
to
discuss
with
upstream.
B
Yeah,
I
guess
that's
not.
I
mean
it's
kind
of
a
general
question,
though
right
like
if
one
vendor
says
you
know,
let's
say,
for
example,
it
wasn't
java
7
versus
java
8.
It
was
some
other.
It
was
some
other
issue
like
would
one
vendor
be
able
to
dictate
the
lowest
common
denominator
yeah?
Is
there
a
way
to
mediate
this?
I
don't.
I
don't
have
any
idea.
B
B
C
A
A
A
B
Who's,
who
is
constance,
carr
caramanolos.
B
I've
never
seen
her
in
a
meeting
that
I'm
aware
of
I
mean
she
might
be
there.
I
just
don't
know
yeah,
but
again,
then
again,
I
don't
really
see
ben
showing
up
to
meetings
either
ben
siegelman
from
lightstep
so
or
sarah.
Sarah
novotny
from
microsoft,
there's
a
lot
of
people
on
the
governance
community
who
don't
show
up
to
a
lot
of
the
the
meetings
maybe
except
for
the
governance
committee
meeting.
I
don't.
I
don't
really
know.
A
C
A
B
A
What
to
happen
automatically,
but
okay,
but
yeah,
that's
one
question
and
then
still
we
want
somebody
from
from
android
paul
to
tell
us
instrumentation
or
people
do
what
what
do
we
want.
B
B
C
A
C
A
Yeah
there
is
still
like
considerations.
B
D
No,
I
went
home,
let's
see,
but
my
air
pods
are
not
pairing,
so
we'll
figure
out
how
to
do
that.
Eventually,.
D
C
Yes,
we
were
talking
about
so
we
were
talking
about
java
and
how
we'll
probably
ask
bogdan
on
how
we
can
mediate
sort
of
the
java
7
8
debate
with
dyna
trace,
because
I
think
right
now
this
is
sort
of
stuck
sleeping.
You
know
the
process
for
moving
that
forward
and
then
we're
talking
about
how
feasible
open
telemetry
is
for
android.
C
A
C
C
B
Probably
need
to
have
a
custom
exporter
and
potentially
a
specialized
spam
processor,
depending
on
how
you
want
that
to
work.
Exactly
I
wonder
about
metrics
metrics
is
a
different
thing,
but
for
spans
yeah,
it's
pretty
straightforward.
C
A
D
So
what
what's
the
I
mean?
Is
the
discussion
dropping
seven,
but
maintaining
not
going
full
ate
in
terms
of
only
things
that
can
be
de-sugared.
A
B
D
C
D
I
I
think
it's
a
desire
for
vendors,
I
mean
nikita.
Have
you
talked
to
folks
at
splunk
about
that,
because.
C
D
We
have
the
something
like
app
center,
it's,
but
it's
we
don't
have
a
good
android
story
currently,
and
so
I
think
the
desire
is
not
to
shut
open
telemetry
off.
From
being
that
which
would
be
kind
of
where
I
mean
I
would
propose.
D
I
mean
I'm
not
against
the
john's
proposal
of
saying
hey
if
there's
no
participation
we're
just
going
to
move
on,
but
also
like.
Ideally,
I
would
not
want
to
make
decisions
that
would
prevent
us
from
supporting
android
and
it
seems
like
we
kind
of
had
it.
What
do
we?
What
are
we
really
losing?
Is
it
just
this
completable
future,
because
I
mean
I
feel
like
we
got
to
the
point
for
a
week.
A
A
D
Yeah
so
say
we
go
full
java
8
and
then
we
want
to
support
android
later.
What
does
that
look
like
if
we
need
to
fork,
then,
or
you
know,
breaking
api
change
to
become
compatible?
I
guess
probably
fork.
B
Well,
I
mean
a
lot
of
it.
We
retro
lambda
can
do
a
lot,
but
it
can't
do
everything.
D
C
C
B
D
Under
I
had
pulled
that
up
a
couple
weeks
ago
when
we
were
chatting
and
it
looked
like
all
the
functional
interfaces.
B
C
B
B
I
haven't
heard
from
the
pm
in
a
while,
but
I
also
I
mean
I
know
they're
interested
the
android
folks
at
new
relic
are
interested
in
open
telemetry,
but
not
aggressively
it's
just
kind
of
more
like
oh
hey.
This
is
something
we
should
maybe
pay
attention
to
sometime
in
the
future.
B
C
B
Yeah
I
mean
they
definitely
know
about
instrumentation
yeah.
Don't
I
don't
even
know
what
the
the
sdk
for
new
relic
android
looks
like
I've,
never
looked
at
it
myself
so,
but
they
definitely
know
about
instrumentation.
B
A
A
D
Yeah,
that
is
interesting,
that
no
nobody
seems
interested
in
it.
At
this
point,
I
I
think,
john.
I
think
I
agree
with
that.
Like
you
know,
it's
probably
like
a
year
out
kind
of
thing
where
once
open
telemetry
gets
some
going
more
and
that
you
know
we'll
have
some
vendors
who
might
be
interested
and
it
probably
you
know
it
makes
a
lot
of
sense
to
just
table
it
until
there's
active,
active
people
who
want
it.
B
D
Now,
for
for
the
dynatrace
issue,
did
you
have
thoughts
already
about
how
to.
A
I
will
ask
baghdan
of
channel
about
how
do
we
in
general
deal
with
situation
where
we
have
one
vendor
pushing
his
decision,
which
is
against
all
other
vendors
decision
opinions,
because
I
I
I
suggest
it
if
we,
if
we
can
go
with
that
question
to
technical
committee
or
governors
board
and
so
john
suggested
first
asking
bogdan
of
channel
as
I
talk
with
him
anyway.
D
Okay,
yeah,
I
could
ask
sarah
novotny
just
from
in
case
she
has
some
from
a
governance
committee
or
just
like
how
that
would
be
approached.
If
there's
any
words.
B
That
would
be
excellent.
Does
sarah
come
to
any
of
the
the
meetings
aside
from
governance?
I've
never
seen.
D
No,
no
she's,
not
she
was
just.
She
was
basically
brought
in
as
the
neutral
party
between
open
tracing
and
open
census.
So
she
wasn't
involved
in
either
of
those
everybody
else
is
more.
You
know
heavily
involved
in
the
tracing
world.
She
came
over
from.
I
guess:
she's
worked
on
the
kubernetes
she's
involved
in
kubernetes,
primarily.
B
D
Cool,
oh
yeah,
I
can
reach
out
she's
generally
really
responsive,
so
I
can
reach
out
to
her
tomorrow
and
then
yeah.
It
might
be
something
maybe
if
we
can
touch
base
by
the
end
of
the
week
and
then
it
might
be
something
that's
worth
raising
in
the
monday
maintainers
meeting.
D
Just
since
that's
where
we
tend
to
get
the
most
people
in
the
room.
D
Yeah
yeah,
but
we
could
take
it,
but
we
could
take
advantage
of
all
those
people
yeah
try
to
force
some
discussion,
yep.
B
B
B
No,
if
you,
you
should
read
the
read
the
releasing
md
document.
It's
extensive.
It
involves
many
said
scripts,
which
I
ignored
and
just
figured
out
what
they
did,
because
they
didn't,
whatever
version
of
said,
runs
on
mac.
Os
doesn't
work
with
what
is
there
so,
like
literally
there's
this
complicated
side
scripts
to
increment
a
number
in
the
build
gradle
by
one
I'm
like
I
can
just
do
that
by
hand.
I
don't
need
to
run
a
set
script
for
that.
B
D
C
C
B
Me
no
it's
I,
you
should
read
through
the
releasing
doc,
it's
crazy!
I
I
was
quite
appalled
at
how
non
and
it
doesn't
even
actually
like.
I
said
it
doesn't
work
on
the
version
of
of
the
version
of
bash
or
the
version
of
said
that
it
runs
on
my
laptop.
So
I
just
did
it
most
of
it
by
hand,
there's
like
four
or
five
steps,
and
that's
each
of
those
has
like
three
or
four
sub
steps
in
them.
Anyway,
it's
done,
it
works.
E
B
D
We
have
proto
pinned
now,
so
oh
the
nikita,
the
the
smoke
test
was
failing
on
me.
I
didn't
know
if
that
was
expected.
B
D
Yeah
I
I
started
the
only
time
I
ever
started
up
is
was
when
I
was
making
the
release
of
the
instrument
the
agent
releases
the
nikita's
made
the
last
couple
now
so
it's
been
since
the
last
agent
release
I
made
to
fire
it
up
to
make
sure
that
it
works
end-to-end
because
we
didn't
have
end-to-end
tests
before,
but
now
we
have
end-to-end
tests.
So
I
probably
don't
even
need
to
do
that.
D
B
C
D
Good
yeah,
I'm
looking
forward
to
aligning
our
smoke
tests
with
the
the
smoke
test.
Infra
the
new
smoke
test
infra,
because
we
have
we
have
kind
of
it's
very
similar
to
that
smoke.
So
actually
it's
where
we
have
a
like
a
fake
ingestion
service
and
the
exporter
pushes
data
there,
and
then
we
verify
it.
So
I
want
to
figure
out
how
we
can
basically
reuse.
D
C
E
C
D
Oh
okay,
you
sent
a
pr
to
the
the
part
two
pr
to
my
pr.
C
C
A
I
think
they
they
for
some
reason,
don't
like
to
write
documentation
at
all
but
other
than
that.
Well,
I
just
assume
they
have.
They
have
specific
use
cases
which
requires
that
even
the
e,
even
while
but.
E
C
D
So,
on
the
part
anurag,
you
were
mentioning
on
the
part.
Two
did
you
add
more
comments.
D
Okay,
I'm
trying
to
look
at
it
on
the
the
github
app
is
not
showing
me
come
on
friend,
because
I
think
I
yeah
so
you
commented
after
I
commented
about
on
that.
I
think
I
did
did
I
comment,
or
did
I
ever?
I
was
starting
to
comment
that
I
thought
that
the
qualified
the
dollar
sign
one
made
sense
or
no
is
this
a
different.
D
D
And
then
richard
had
come
into
la,
I
saw
something
about
he
mentioned
suggesting
dropping
one
of
the.
D
Sorry,
I'm
not
making
any
sense,
because
I'm
not
finding
anything.
C
C
C
D
Other
caches,
so
in
general,
are
you
supportive
of
the
caches?
Just
not
the
particular
implementation
of
the
caches.
C
D
C
D
So
using
so
instead
of
implementing
our
own
caches
either
just
make
do
with
like
concurrent
hashmap
or
we
cache
map
or
something
possible,
and
we
have
guava.
Don't
we
have?
We
have
guava
yeah,
so
guava
cache,
also
or
or
we
had
looked
at
caffeine.
The
other
week.
D
Okay,
so
if
we
can
trim,
oh-
and
you
said
you
put
in
a
pr
to
potentially
oh,
I
see
use
class
value
and
full
name
cash.
D
But
yeah
I
like
what
at
least
what
they
were
working
towards.
I
pulled
in
one
more
commit
from,
I
think,
assume
from
richard
yeah
that
was
starting
to
abstract
the
cash
api,
but
didn't
really
take
it
all
the
way,
but
having
some
kind
of
small
cache
api
and
then
we
could
certainly
package
seal
the
implementation
of
it.
C
C
D
C
D
E
D
Yeah,
I
don't
know
what
kind
of
api
compatibility
we
have
to.
I
guess
we
have
to
deal
with
api
compatibility
also,
once
we
start
once
we
hit
1
0
on
the
instrumentation
api.
D
D
D
D
So
it's
weird
to
be
the
other
way
around
right
I
mean
the
agent
makes
more
sense
on
java
7
because
you
actually
have
people
with
old
java
7
apps,
who
want
to
throw
on
a
java
agent.
We've
had
you
know
a
couple
people
even
post
issues
about
it,
whereas
I
really
don't
see
anybody
looking
to
add
a
sdk,
you
know
to
crack
open
their
app
and
manually
instrument,
a
old
java,
7,
app.
A
C
D
A
A
D
C
D
All
right
cool,
then
we'll
just
touch
back
on
thursday,
oh
well.
We
want
to
hear
from
nikita
your
conversation
with
bogdan.
I.
A
Hope
yeah,
I
hope
to
talk
to
him
today,
so
my
today,
your
tomorrow
and
then
by
thursday.
Hopefully
I
will
have
some
new
information.
D
Okay-
and
I
figure
we'll
we
can
the
three
anorag
john
and
I
can
catch
up
on
thursday,
6
p.m.
Pacific
friday,
on
rocks
friday
morning,.
B
Yeah,
I
may
only
be
in
there
a
very
brief
moment,
but
you
can
still
catch
up.
D
Okay,
yeah
and
then
we
can
just
decide
about
if
we're
in
a
good
place
to
to
bring
that
up
in
the
we
can
add
up
that
to
the
maintainers
agenda
for
next
monday.
B
Sounds
good
to
me,
one
of
our.
C
B
C
B
Oh
bogdan
caught
a
few
more
base,
16
references.
B
Cool
well,
if
we
can
get
you
to
be
a
maintainer,
then
we
can
just
drive
this
project
to
wherever
we
want.
C
D
D
A
D
On
the
instrumentation
agent
side,
I
mean
we
could
ship
ga
more
or
less.
As
is
I
mean
nikita
would
hate
me,
but
you
know
we
we
can
our
our
api,
you
know
whatever
our
instrument,
we
can
not
declare
our
api.
D
B
So
I
have
a
question:
alolita
has
repeatedly
insisted
that
aws
has
many
java,
many
engineers
working
in
java
in
open
telemetry,
and
I
I
don't
know
of
anyone,
but
you
is
there.
Anyone
else
from
aws
is
actually
doing
work
in
either
the
instrumentation
or
the
sdk.
C
C
B
C
B
Yeah
she
was
like
yeah,
I
track
all
his
pr's
he's
working
in
java
all
the
time
I'm
like
really.
I
haven't
that
this
that
that
I
don't
know
yeah.
D
Oh
underag,
what
about
the
other
group
at
aws
doing
that
amazon
doing
the
java
agent?
Are
they
open?
Did
you
ever
chat
with
them
or
about
presenting
what
they're.
C
C
C
C
C
D
That's
very
fascinated
by
the
the
array
of
agents
that
continue
to
proliferate
in
the
java
world.
That
was
that
was
part
of
my
dream.
Of
this
open
telemetry
project
was
to
consolidate
those
and
and
yet
they
continue.
C
D
D
All
right,
y'all
well
have
a
good
good
wednesday
and
we'll
see
you
both
at
different
times
on
thursday
yep.
C
E
D
I
forgot
I
forgot
and
all
of
a
sudden
I
saw
on
my
phone,
I
saw
a
bunch
of
like
texts
from
honorag
on
slack
had
popped
up
for
some
reason.
My
phone
decided
to
pop
them
up
and,
like
oh
y'all,
are
meeting.
So
let
me
join,
I
mean.