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cncf-opentelemetry@cncf.io's Personal Meeting Room
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B
A
A
B
They're
not
as
bad
as
people
make
them
what
make
them
out
to
be
provided
that
you
are
active
in
doing
something
interesting
that
is
winter
related,
so
like
going
out
into
the
mountains
and
like
snowshoeing
or
snowboarding
or
like
something
with
that.
There's
a
lot
of
that.
If
you
don't
do
that,
then
you're
stuck
in
grey
gloomy
gloom
for
a
long
time
and
it
sucks
or
you
know
you
could
like
just
travel
some
like
go
to
hawaii
or
something
for
like.
B
B
So
so,
like
there's,
there's
a
lot
of
snow
in
the
mountains,
but
there's
very
very
little
snow
in
the
the
actual
city
every
once
in
a
while.
We
get
like
a
snowstorm
thing
that
comes
through
and
then
like
it's
kind
of
hectic,
but
it's
it's
more
like
there
could
be
ice
on
the
ground
rather
than
like.
You
need
to
use
a
snowblower
because
otherwise
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
get
your
car
out
of
the
garage.
A
A
A
Like
some
of
these
are
things
that
just
are
not
relevant
anymore,
so
I
think
I'll
keep
bringing
this
up
in
case.
Anyone
knows
someone
that
wants
to
get
involved
as
a
pm
as
a
triager
to
help
with
this
stuff.
But
my
goal
for
july,
I
think,
will
be
to
just
go
through
and
clean
up
all
the
issues
and
prs
and
then
get
us
to
a
point
where
we
can
have
some
automation
to
kind
of
keep
things
clean,
because
I
don't
think
it
looks
great
and
I
don't
think
that
it's
helpful
right
now.
A
B
I'd
actually
be
fine
with
closing
out
a
lot
of
that
kind
of
stuff,
like
I've
done
that
several
times
with
several
different
repos,
and
it's
just
kind
of
dispassionately
assess
if
this
is
really
going
to
be
relevant
and
like
is,
is
this
going
to
be
relevant
six
months
from
now
or
like?
Is
this
something
that
anybody
will
realistically
realistically
get
to
and.
C
B
A
B
B
B
Put
more
money
into
hotel,
but,
like
you
know,
it's
not
our
job,
to
figure
out
what
that
means.
It's
like!
So
please
come
to
us
with
proposal
like
and,
and
so
part
of
that
was
like,
oh
well,
you
know,
there's
you'd
hire
more
people
that
takes
time
and
then
you
gotta
be
really
thoughtful
about
where
they
put
their
efforts,
but
like
a
lot
of
the
problems
that
we
see
so
far,
people
are
just
they
just
have
like.
Oh,
I
use
library
x
and
there's
no
automatic
instrumentation
for
it.
B
Gir
I'll
go
use,
datadog
or
something
like
that
and
it's
like
well.
These
are
these
are
very
solvable
problems,
but
they're
they're,
not
like
necessarily
consistent,
like
you
know,
and
so
I
had
the
idea
of
like
what,
if
we
just
have
like
a
pile
of
fifty
thousand
dollars,
just
be
like,
if
you
contribute
a
thing
that
adds
automatic
instrumentation
for
a
library
or
something
like
that,
you
get
a
slice
of
that
50
000.
and
there's
a
lot
of
details
to
like
get
a
program
like
that.
B
B
Easy
for
me,
but
now
the
ball's
in
my
court
right
like
okay.
How
do
we
actually
go
and
do
this
you
know-
is
this
something
that
would
be
best
to
like
work
with
somebody
in
the
cncf
with
to
like
set
up
like
a
proper
program
or
something
or
would
this
just
be
like
a
honeycomb
only
thing
that
is
like
linked
to,
but
like
that?
B
Doesn't
I
we
kind
of
didn't
like
the
idea
of
that
like
we
wanted
it
to
be
like
no
we're
literally
just
donating
this
money
to
this
entity,
and
we
want
to
set
up
that
program,
and
I
don't
know
like
who
to
even
start
talking
with,
and
I
feel
like
another
dimension
to
that
is
like
maintainers
of
some
of
these
things
like.
Is
that
something
that
they
would
also
be
on
board
with?
A
A
A
A
C
C
But
I
can
try
to
find
because
new
relic
has
done
similarish
stuff,
but
using
through
github's
sponsorship
program
instead,
and
so
they
asked
me
well,
do
we
want
to
sponsor
open
telemetry,
and
I
was
like
yes
and
most
people
are
working
for
a
vendor,
there's
that
small,
independent
line
that
we
could
look
at
sponsoring
those
human
beings.
But
I
would
look
at
either
the
github
sponsors
program
or
some
of
those
bounty
programs
for
inspiration.
C
A
C
A
Very
into
the
idea
of
this
hotel
fund
being
able
to
be
used.
It's
like
hey!
If
you
write,
you
know
a
guide
on
open
telemetry
and
you
contribute
the
website.
Then
that's
a
hundred
bucks
or
whatever,
and
then,
if
you
do
auto
instrumentation
for
whatever
that's,
however
much
dollars,
I
think
the
cncf
would
be
the
appropriate
sort
of
thing
to
run
this
through,
because
that
would
make
it
easier
for
people
to
participate
for
vendors
to
participate,
because
it's
a
lot
easier
to.
A
I
mean
everyone.
I
would
assume
everyone-
and
I
can't
imagine,
there's
a
single
contributing
company
that
isn't
a
cncf
member,
which
means
that
sending
the
cncf
more
money
is
pretty
straightforward.
From
a
vendor
perspective
I
mean
new
relic
is
cncf,
lightstep
is
honeycomb,
is
datadog,
is
dynatrace,
ibm.
C
B
B
Maybe
that,
like
it's
also,
I
think
it's
also
kind
of
like
a
reach
thing
and
it
also
another
another
benefit
to
having
it
be
through.
The
lens
of
the
cncf
is
like
if
we
want
a
lot
of
these
enterprises
to
start
adopting,
open
telemetry
like
if
they're,
just
like
oh
some,
some
randos
on
github,
you
know
kind
of
had
a
pile
of
money,
that's
kind
of
cool,
but
if
it's
like,
oh,
this
is
a
cncf
program.
Okay!
Well
this
this
is.
This
is
kind
of
serious.
B
That's
just
the
thought
that
I
had
but
yeah
yeah,
the
the
the
the
problem
with
this
that
I
ran
into
was
I
looked
at
like
the
list
of
all
the
contributors
to
hotel
and
I'm
like.
Oh,
if
we
have
some
money
that
we
could
like
just
what,
if
we
just
sponsored
a
couple,
people
working
in
projects
that
are
like
very
important
to,
like
you
know,
represent
the
majority
of
users
sending
hotel
data
to
honeycomb,
or
something
like
that.
I.
B
A
To
think
about
this,
is
that
like
lightsaber,
lightstep
literally
did
this
for
open
tracing,
but
we
did
it
by
just
having
contract
developers.
Do
it
right
like
we
would
just
go
through
a
couple
different
ones.
I
think
we
used
kinvolk
back
in
the
day
before
they
got
bought.
I
don't
think
they
do
contract
anymore.
Now
that
they're
part
of
the
microsoft
family,
sad
I
like
kim
volk
but
yeah
like
that's
what
we
did.
We
would
just
go
out
and
we
would
say
hey.
A
I'm
I've
I
asked
amy
over
at
cncf
about
if
they've
ever
done,
like
a
bug,
bounty
style
thing
to
just
see
if
you
know
that's
something
that
they
have
any
kind
of
organizational
muscle
on,
and
I
will
report
back
what
I
hear
through
slack,
my
gut
feeling
is.
I
think
this
would
be
cool.
I
think
this
would
also
be
like
a
lot
of
work.
A
A
The
way
like
the
like,
oh
company
x,
like
lightstep,
goes
out
and
pays
some
contractors
to
do
these
things
and
then
the
because
the
work
product
always
ends
up
like
even
if
parts
of
it
end
up
upstream.
It's
always
like
in
the
you
know
the
private
thing
right
so
like
we
have
a
program
right
now,
where
we
have
contractors
working
on
like
docs
and
integrations
and
setup
guides
and
collector
enhancements
for
monitoring
like
kafka,
for
example.
A
B
D
I
don't
know
if
we
put
cash
into
it
like
just
to
be
very
clear.
We
have
like
so
many
engineers
invested
in
this
already
like
I
don't.
I
quite
want
late
from
us,
like
I
don't
know
if
we're
gonna
just
put
in
dollars
because
we're
already
putting
in
effectively
millions
of
dollars
a
year,
but
I
think
it's
a
good
idea.
B
D
A
Existence
of
the
light
step-
tracer
that's
been
in
envoy
for
several
years,
is
actually
blocking
for
several
other
envoy
issues
due
to
like
some
protobuf
upgrades
and
some
other
stuff,
but
that
library,
that
tracer
library
is
unsupported
now
and
the
person
that
we
hired
the
contractor
that
we
hired
to
maintain
it
is
gone.
So
we
aren't
gonna
really
do.
We
are
not
super
incentivized
to
do
anything,
and
we
also
don't
have
someone
on
staff
on
our
open
source
team.
A
That's
like
a
deep
c
plus
expert
thing
can
kind
of
go
and
like
help
shepherd
this
stuff,
and
also
in
addition
to
that,
everyone
is
already
very
oversubscribed
in
other
work.
So
if
you
did
say,
okay,
here's
the
open,
telemetry
fund
and
here's
like
a
bounty
program
where
you
can
go
and
add
tracing
to
react,
add
hotel
to
react.
For
example,
like
sure
someone
could
go
and
do
that
with
today's
version
of
the
api.
A
A
Do
the
maintainers
of
those
projects
actually
want
to
accept
these
contributions,
and
then
the
flip
side
of
that
is
okay,
we're
not
going
to
contribute
it
to
the
upstream
project,
we're
going
to
contribute
it
to
hotel
contrib.
Then
you
still
have
bit
rot.
You
still
have
like
who's
going
to
take
care
of
this
over
time.
D
I
think
I
think
if
you,
if
you
contribute
it
like
to
the
earlier
example,
though
like
to
the
upstream
they're
starting
to
the
the
telemetry
source
project,
yeah
like
that,
that's
less
of
an
issue
like
so
it's
in
the
envelope
example
like
yes
in
this
particular
case,
it's
it's
rotting,
but
in
others
it
might
not.
That's.
A
D
A
Right
yeah,
it
needs
to
be,
it
has
to
be
able
to
actually
create
the
telemetry,
and
it
has
to
be
able
to
run
processors
and
samplers,
and
all
that
good
good
stuff.
So
envoy
is
a
you
know.
It's
it's
a
big
example,
but
also
like
that,
has
a
lot
of
like
knock-on
effects
too,
where
envoy
is
used
by
istio
and
all
these
other
things
and
like.
A
Right
now,
would
it
make
it
now?
Would
it
make
a
lot
of
sense
to
say,
like
oh
we're,
going
to
sponsor
like
this
particular
thing
I
mean
I
would
argue
that
hotel
buy.
It
said
like
we
didn't
light
stuff
didn't
have
to
go
in
and
say:
hey
envoy,
you
should
use
open,
telemetry
right
they're,
using
open,
telemetry
they're
doing
the
migration,
because
open
telemetry
is
what
people
are
using.
A
A
Gap
on
example,
code
like
usable
examples
on
tutorials
on
you
know,
and
a
lot
of
it's
stuff.
That
just
needs
to
be
like,
like
here's
a
fun
thing,
I
I
was
looking
at
our
google
analytics
for
our
docs
and
I've
we're
apparently
right.
We
apparently
ranked
number
one
for
like
otlp
over
http
right
because
we're
getting
a
ton
of
traffic
to
it.
You
know
like
that's
something
where
the
the
open
telemetry
site
should
probably
outrank
vendor
sites
for
basic
hotel
stuff.
I.
A
A
B
But
the
question
is
like
okay.
Well,
the
model
that
the
ruby
folks
have
right
now
is
that
they
own
all
their
instrumentation
libraries
and
so
like.
Would
they
if,
if
there
were
like
four
or
five
more,
that
popped
up
like
there's
a
clear
benefit
to
users
for
for
that
existing?
But
are
they?
Okay
with
taking
on
the
maintainer
shift
of
that?
B
I
think
like
ideologically
yeah,
because
especially
when
I
talk
to
them,
they're
like
oh,
we
want
people
to
just
wire
up,
auto
instrumentation
and
not
have
to
worry
about
using
the
apis
that
much,
but
that
you
may
want
something.
But
then,
if
you
have
to
deal
with
a
lot
more
code
that
that
moves
in
that
direction,
then
that's
it's
very
different
and
so
like
some
maintainers
might
be
much
more
open
to
accepting
contributions
than
others.
And
you
know,
maybe
that
helps
influence
it
where
it's
like.
Hey.
B
A
A
You
know,
whoever
into
from
our
engineering
side
from
our
finance
side
to
be
like
hey,
look,
let's
just
throw
money
at
this
to
you
know
it's
the
johnny
appleseed
approach
right
like
we're
not
going
to
get
exactly
what
we
want,
but
we
already
have
people
working
on
exactly
what
we
want,
but
this
is
going
to
just
broaden
the
base
like
we
we
much
like
honeycomb,
I
would
say
we're
in
different
shoes
than
splunk
or
new
relic.
We
don't
have
a
huge
existing
install
base
that
we're
trying
to
satisfy
the
needs
of.
A
We
are
both
still
very
growth
phase.
So
for
us,
I
think
it's
more
advantageous
to
just
say
like
okay,
well,
here's
a
bunch
of
random
stuff
that
might
hit
someone.
You
know
that
might
appear
on
someone's
radar
and
then
splunk
a
new
relic
and
datadog,
or
whoever
are
going
to
continue
to
do
what
they
do.
A
B
A
I
think
there's
a
bigger
there.
There
is
somewhat
of
a
bigger
thing
here,
which
is
we
also
need
to
get
like.
We,
we
need
to
get
maintainers
of
the
sigs
to
like.
We
need
to
present
a
much
stronger
case
for
putting
documented
putting
that
specific
documentation
in
the
on
the
doc
site
and
not
in
a
github
repo.
B
To
an
extent,
maybe
I
would,
I
would
argue
that,
like
if
an
instrumented
library,
it
might
actually
make
more
sense
to
have
like
configuration
for
that
library
to
live
in
like
the
readme
of
wherever
that
code
is
because
then
like.
If
you
look
at
npm
or
something
like
that,
like
the
link
that
you
click
to
like
you
know,
go
learn
more
about
this.
Takes
you
to
the
thing
that's
scoped
to
that
library
and,
like
maybe
a
couple
of
exceptions
with
like
super
high
use
ones,
but.
A
A
A
B
B
A
I
I
do
think
this
was
probably
like.
I
would
probably
manage
expectations
that
this
is
probably
going
to
be
a
multi-month
thing
before
we
would
even
have
anything
to
announce
like
internally
just
to
because
anything
dealing
with
money
is
just
very
exciting,
especially
anything
that
requires
payouts
to
people
that
are
just
randos,
and
I
think
we'll
definitely
have
to
have
some
we
will.
This
will
also
need,
like
people
to
really
have
we'll
need
to
really
have
buy-in
from
people
on
like
the
review
side.
C
A
B
A
A
A
C
C
Sweet
so
we're
gonna
start
like
a
lean
coffee
style.
End
user
group
focused
on
open
telemetry.
I
think
it
would
be
good
to
advertise
this
on
the
website,
and
so
my
question
is,
you
know:
do
you
have
any
feedback
on
this
format?
I
threw
in
the
link
to
the
plan
in
the
sig
notes
if
you
have
any
feedback.
Otherwise
what
do
I
need
to
give
you
to
put
this
up
on
open,
telemetry
io,
and
do
you
think
it
goes
there.
A
A
A
C
C
A
C
Oh
funny
story
about
github,
so
it's
charmander
s,
I'll
type
it
in
here
I
got
a
new
device
and
my
it
looked
like
my
mfa.
Seed
moved
over
and
I
went
to
log
in
and
it
was
like
that's
the
wrong
seed.
Your
mfa
is
not
working,
and
now
I'm
like
I've
got
a
request
into
github
to
recover
my
account.
I
hope
it
works.
C
C
C
A
E
D
A
A
A
C
C
A
D
A
C
E
C
Does
anyone
want
to
help
ba?
Oh
so
part
of
this
also
includes
a
slack
channel,
but
the
slack
channel
would
be
private.
I'm
making
the
general
assumption
that
most
folks
on
the
gc
want
to
be
part
of
that
slack
channel.
Does
anyone
know
someone
who
would
want
to
help
quote
moderate
and
enforce
the
code
of
conduct
which
is
just
like?
A
C
B
Yeah
we
have
one
of
our
new
people's
like
community
at
honeycomb.
They
had
reached
out
to
me
to
like
see
if
there
was
any
kind
of
like
hotel
involvement
that
they
could
do.
I
think
they
they
expressed
some
interest
in
attending
the
the
sigs
for
for
the
for
the
working
user
group.
This
maybe
seems
like,
like
a
very
concrete
thing,
that
they
could
potentially
help
with
I'll
I'll
reach
out
my
name's
wren
I'll
talk
to
ren
and
see
okay.
C
Awesome
yeah,
I
I
just
that's
the
last
like
change
in
here-
is
to
just
make
sure
that
I'm
not
the
only
moderator,
but
we
blog
posts
can
be
updated
over
the
course
of
time.
I
just
want
something
down
so
that
if
somebody
is
like,
I
have
a
concern
about
somebody
breaking
the
code
of
conduct.
You
know
here
that
they
know
who
to
go
to.