Open Telemetry Uncategorized, 22 Jul 2022

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A

Hey good morning, riley, how are you.

B

How's everything oh yeah,.

A

I've been coming along coming along fine. Thank you um definitely warm days, but it's coming on. Fine. Could you do me a favor, um because I don't have the right access to the calendar. Could you.

A

Could you add a add this as a link for basically our notes in the calendar invite so that it's always there.

B

If you double check, I think it's updated.

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Yes, we see it cool.

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Maybe I my screen here.

A

See my screen yeah all right um so as far as the most recent issues that I think there's three and then a couple of others here that have not been triaged. So maybe we can take a look at those um and then uh we'll see a lot of times what else we can do, possibly, okay.

A

So let's go ahead and take a look at the latest one here.

A

This is the assigned debugging and I'm just learning this.

B

Looks like a reasonable ask.

B

I have a question regarding the scope, because all the telemetry would have a code url that associated with that I'm not sure like. If this is difficult to trace.

B

I suggest that we like we approve it, and we also give some additional hint if I need to make it more generalized.

A

Sounds wasn't bad.

B

Or for the actual discussion of the technical details, I'll leave that to the pr, as I saw, there's already appear.

A

Does already appear there is that.

B

You look at the bottom there's a draft here.

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A

What do you suggest here.

B

I think for triage: it's done. We can leave it if there are more technical discussion. People can continue here.

A

Okay, all right um someone compared that was.

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Got this one here.

B

This issue shouldn't exist anymore, it it's under open time to java. We should go back and refresh the page and.

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This sounds like a reasonable idea in terms of trying to make sure the communication is there with the other stage right.

B

A

I don't know if there's anything else to add other than we've accepted it that it's already being discussed or will be discussed uh with all the aesthetic groups.

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I don't really have a good perspective on this. uh What do you think.

B

uh He his crime, the spike, is contradicting with itself.

B

Yeah, it makes sense to me. I I think we should be you.

A

Can agree with that yeah, okay,.

A

And trace the direction guys: okay,.

B

It seems to be editorial change to me. I'm not even sure if this was an issue or not, but I I I don't feel we should even trigger such thing like if people come and create an issue saying hey uh that particular letter should be uppercase country is lowercase, treat it.

B

This one is saying it it's better. If we can clarify it.

A

So so that's a question I would have in terms of any of these issues that come up even if it's.

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Trivial in terms of a minor correction typo, whatever.

A

You um how how how do we handle those if it's something where someone's gonna go ahead and uh and change a word or whatever um does it still need to be appropriately triaged and and approved, or do we just say we're not going to attract those.

B

Yeah, I feel this time. Housing is like editorial change, it doesn't change any any restriction from the span or the ask from the spec. This aesthetic explains something people find it might be misinterpreted and it'll be great. If we can, we can make it more tight, yeah.

A

Okay, so this wouldn't be something like that, though, wouldn't be something where from a triage standpoint, you would reject it, though. Yes,.

B

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We can say like for those trivial things we just close our eyes and approve it.

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B

Or because it may be okay for now but later, if there are too many issues like this, maybe we should just change the issue templates by telling people not to create those noise, or maybe we'll just have a different tag saying this is an editorial change.

A

That that may be more broken yet is to say that it is just an editorial change, not a technical change and as long as uh as long as there's no disagreement then and proceed or something like that.

B

Yeah so so, for today I would suggest we just improve it.

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B

Let me see more, we probably put a note in the in the meeting notes and- and we see more with invent some process here.

A

All right, let's do that. um Let me make sure I wasn't going back to the other step.

B

So are these all the issues or.

A

These are all the this is all the the most common ones, yeah.

B

Do we want to do some like old issues or.

A

Yeah, actually, it would be good to consider.

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What you found on this, the the proto area, is probably.

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A little bit further behind and.

A

It may be good to start looking at some of these as well, because many of them are not assigned to anyone, there's activity and conversation going on. But um what's your thought on that? Does that sound okay.

B

B

Do we have maintainers for this repo? If you go to the home page, you can see the maintenance.

A

um Tell me where to go, I'm not sure where to go. You.

B

Go to the home page just go to the it's.

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B

To go to the product home page, you click the program and scroll down and add this image.

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B

Let's see, I can circle back in the tc meeting, be able to have the outdoor issue assignment, but so far I feel. Maybe the answer is no. We probably need to identify um owner for the property. Currently they just latch on the site owners.

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Okay, all right.

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All right um so so um we can perhaps come back to this next week. You you'll be able to talk to the tc over.

B

The next questions very next week- maybe maybe the week after next week, but it means a bi-weekly one.

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So what I'll add in here.

B

So we can put a summary here, so people who are familiar with the protocol is the subset of the tc members. Okay, so there might be a certain thing about. So don't like the problem, the bottle, efficiency, where I don't have expertise at all. I won't be able to charge that efficiently.

A

So right now do you want to add comments here in terms of how you want to work this.

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B

Yes, that's probably all.

A

Okay, that's good.

A

And so the the thought here the follow-on to this, though, is that um so that this this issue should be raised at the next tc meeting or something like that.

A

Okay, that sounds good.

A

That sounds good. Do you do you want to take that as an action specifically get up there? Okay,.

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All right, good anything else on that one nope, okay,.

A

Did you want to try to do any of the older.

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Items in this pack area.

A

A couple more minutes, I guess I could try a couple more.

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So take a look here.

B

This is the complaint. I'm I'm not sure how we can change it.

B

This one is simply saying: oh, I'm unhappy with the current thing, but there's no proposal.

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So is the thought here we um we need more information or we need and ask her to stay with her. What her.

B

Because nobody is replying back, there's no discussion. This is an issue that she cares about, but I'm not sure if others care about it. If you give a change approved signal, does that mean that someone from the tc or someone from the community is going to follow up? I, my god thing is. Nobody is interested in following up on this.

B

This is a low priority issue that they don't care about. At this moment,.

A

So would it be something that we reject from a triage standpoint.

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Is the expectation with any of these issues that.

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That we expect the community to naturally respond and if they don't that, we shouldn't pursue it or.

B

So I have my personal opinion. I I think the community is spending energy on common things or students are not common enough; they don't care, then they should simply be ignored. The fact that if we require people to be explicit explaining why they don't care about this, that defeat the purpose.

A

I guess the other side of the is his.

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You know part of the concern was you know, uh responsiveness to comments coming from the community. The media course is involved quite a bit, but um do do we want to somehow indicate yeah we've looked at it, but there's nothing that we're going to do with it. At this point.

B

Yeah, I'm not sure if there's a phone away, do we have a. We have a way to give such indication. I I think so far when we treat issue, we were basically looking at whether this makes sense we're going to take it or it makes no sense or like it's confusing. We need more information, but we haven't in practice asked ourselves.

B

Is this something that we we plan to fund, or this is something although reasonable? I understand that everyone would love to see it, but it's just not something we can take due to the into the capacity issue, or maybe this is just lower part comparing to other stuff.

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B

So how how do we look at that.

B

For this one, I I feel bad if we're saying this is rejected, because it might be an issue.

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B

In the future- and it might be a good thing.

A

Yeah, maybe maybe we should think about that- I I think, having some type of exactly what you're saying of is is not a high priority, or this is not a.

B

A

Issue or item of concern uh we will not, uh we will not, we will not delete it or reject it, but uh you know: will we consider at some point in the future, something like that? Yeah.

B

And then circle back what what should be the part? I I think the the formal agreement islands been established, yes, and, and we should we should make progress on the pr the pads. And so, if we're saying like this, one is not even a improvised product. It's just something in the background.

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B

I haven't started due to the light color funding. Then we can. We can give a consistent message.

B

Okay, like for this one, my god is: there's no funding like like it's assigned to j mike b and and even responding there. I, I know, he's working on more important things, the permission thing and I, I think, he's doing the right thing. He shouldn't reply here.

A

Yeah yeah all right, I agree all right: let's, let's leave it uh the way it is for now and and think of of how best to try to reflect um what we're talking about here um in particular that we're gonna it's gonna, be delayed or uh pushed off. If you will from the response template to some day in the future,.

B

Yeah, so I I I feel we might need to think about the tagging system, because if we put a streak approved that gives people signal, please go ahead and we have energy to follow up or it will be very bad if we prove it and then people fall off and no we're telling them. Oh, we don't have time just wait.

A

Yeah, that's very.

B

Confusing right, but if we put it as rejected, that's also a bad signal because rejected to me means this is the bad idea, we're not going we're not going to that direction. This is wrong. We just close the door and don't bother us again.

A

No, it is a good point, good point and we're not in this case we're not trying to say that right, it's just something that um we don't want spin the cycles with there's not enough interest in it right now, and it needs to be revisited at some point in the future.

A

Okay, I think that's a that's a good good thought. Consider it again in terms of these types of things, and if we need to create another type of of a category for these types, then we can do that in the future. I'm not sure it would be nice to maybe have a labeling type of of uh for these types of things so that, as we create, uh you know find things like this that we want to put into that bucket.

A

uh We can accumulate them kind of in a backlog, and then we revisit that every so often so they don't become totally lost in the pool here.

A

But I appreciate your time. That's that's, definitely reasonable. um I guess we're we're over time, but anything else. We need to touch on today.

B

Not for myself.

A

Okay, great thanks rally enjoy your weekend.

B