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D
E
E
Here,
daniel-
and
I
were
there
briefly
but
realized
our
mistake,
but
no
one
else
is
there
a
few
minutes
ago:
okay.
Well,
then,
we
can
get
started.
A
Yeah,
there's
still
no
one
on
it
all
right.
First
topic
is
ben
feedback
on
open,
telemetry,
end
user
adoption
adopters
at
large
works.
E
Yes,
so
while
protecting
people's
anonymity
or
whatever
someone
who
is
like
deep
in
the
sort
of
hotel
world
that
you
know
a
large
company
that
everyone's
heard
of
reached
out
as
they're
facing
a
crossroads
of
sorts,
I'm
hearing
much
grumbling
from
teams
that
hotel
is
holding
us
back
unable
to
be
contributed
to
slow
and
lacking
visibility.
It
has
reached
a
point
where
we
are
trying
to
push
standard
space
observability
to
all
teams
that
we
cannot
rely
on
hotel
conventions.
Yet
I've
been
asked
multiple
times.
E
We
should
simply
pull
out
a
hotel
and
do
it
ourselves.
So
it's
like
okay
and
then
it
you
know,
goes
on
anyway.
The
the
message
call
mason,
like
you
know,
we
should
talk,
and
you
know
this
person
doesn't
want
to
do
that
because
it's
you
know
clearly
like
a
long
road
to
go
yourself
or
whatever,
but
I
think
a
lot
of
those
things
kind
of
make
sense
to
me.
Some
of
them,
I'm
not
as
clear
on
especially
the
unable
to
be
contributed
to
piece
is.
E
Is
that
do
we
think
that's
like
a
maintainers
thing
whatever
anyway,
I
was
thinking
of
asking
this
person
if
they
would
like
join
a
gc
meeting
and
just
talk
to
us
about
this?
Would
that
be.
B
You
need
to
be
a
closed
session
right
like
to
protect
this
person's
privacy
and
their
works
privacy,
but,
like
I
think,
that's
totally
reasonable,
but
I
think
the
other
interesting
question
is
like
if
people
are
interested
and
willing
to
contribute
right
like
there
should
be
a
path
towards
them
becoming
approvers,
at
least
right
like
by
making
contributions
and
right
like
if
someone
has
a
lot
of
engineering
benefits
and
they
feel
worse,
slowing
them
down
right
like
great.
Let's
get
them
like,
let's
get
them
on
to
the
set
of
approvers.
B
E
Then
what
I
would
like
to
propose,
then,
is
that
we
bring
this
individual
for,
like
a
you
know,
as
this
is
saying
like
just
so
that
we
don't
have
to
worry
about
confidentiality
and
stuff
like
into
well,
so
we
can
have
confidentiality,
bring
it
into
like
a
closed
session
of
the
gc
just
to
kind
of
get
into
more
detail.
I
consider
them
to
be
like
a
generally
a
very
trustworthy.
E
You
know
high
integrity,
sort
of
person
like
I've,
known
them
for
a
while,
and
I
think
would
just
be
interesting
and
useful.
There's
also
it
goes
on
to
talk
about
docs
and
just
things
feeling
kind
of
fractured,
and
you
know
stuff
like
that,
so
it
I
think
some
of
it's
like
the
ui
of
the
project,
so
to
speak,
is
it
is
still
like
behind
some
of
the
actuals.
E
You
know
more
desire
for
road
maps
and
stuff
like
that,
but
but
if
that
works
for
you
bill,
that's
I
think
what
I
propose.
Alternatively,
I.
A
B
E
Well,
I
will
do
that,
that's
the
agenda
item
and
I
think
it
will
actually
be
pretty
productive.
I've
always
enjoyed
chatting
with
this
particular
person.
It's
usually
pretty
fun,
so
just.
D
Before
we
move
on,
do
we
know
whether
they're
specifically
talking
about
like
specification
and
like
the
the
that
side
of
it
or
whether
it's
client
implementations
that
are
slowing
them
down.
E
I
would
guess
some
of
both
based
on
what
I
know,
but,
but
you
know
well,
this
person
has
been
in
sort
of
a
management
role
for
a
while
they're,
not
the
ones
doing
the
work.
I
think
it's
more
like
you
know.
Their
team
is
grumpy
about
this
stuff
and
I
would
guess,
based
on
the
context
of
summit
bowl.
F
C
C
I
was
curious
if
people
had
ideas
about.
If
is
there
a
lower
cost
or
more
flexible
way
for
us
to
have
a
presence
at
kubecon,
because
having
some
presence
there
would
be
good
as
an
organization.
A
C
Guess
there's
two
situations
like
one:
if
it's
physically
happening
like
how
can
we
be
present
there?
I
did
run
it
by
people
about
whether
posting
a
virtual
thing.
It's
a
physical
thing's
going
on
and
people
were
kind
of
like.
I
don't
want
to
go
to
a
virtual
thing.
If
I'm
in
la
but
yeah,
let's
assume
it's
it's
physically
happening.
C
One
thing
I
was
thinking
of
is
we
could
host
some
kind
of
like
ongoing
office
hours
that
org
members
could
staff
that
we
could
just
set
up
shop
somewhere
just
somewhere
random
in
kubecon.
I.
G
An
evening
dinner
or
or
an
meet
and
greet
kind
of
you
know
community
session
or
a
buff.
You
know
in
the
evening
at
kubecon
and
then
go
to
dinner
or
something
I
mean
again.
We
could
do
something
like
that.
It
would
be
nice
for
folks
who
are
in
there
in
person
if
things
happen
in
person
to
meet
up.
C
And
that
was
nice,
but
yeah
unclear
unclear
what
that
looks
like
in
a
masquerade,
social
distance
scenario
in
l.a,
but
we
could
try
it.
Oh.
D
D
I
got
it
depends
on
that
obviously
excludes
the
community
at
large.
So
if
that's
the
goal
is
to
to
engage
with
the
larger
community,
then
maybe
that's
not
such
a
great
idea,
but
if
the
goal
is
for
open,
telemetry
contributors
and
maintainers
to
get
to
know
each
other
better,
then
maybe
that's
a
better
way
to
restrict
it.
C
C
G
Think
the
best
way
to
do
that
is
above
ted
and-
and
you
know
we
can,
we
can
maybe
we
should
follow
up
with
the
kubecon
folks
to
just
see
if
we
can
get
a
buff
that
you
know
again
can
be
if
they
go
virtual,
we
can
host
it
virtually.
But
you
know
in
the
meantime
plan
for
it
to
be
done
in
person
and
that's
a
great
way
to
get
you
know
meet
with
customers
meet
with
users
meet
with
you
know,
folks,
who
are
trying
out
hotel.
G
But
I
mean,
I
think,
that's
the
most
informal
way
of
you
know
really
not
committing
to
a
whole
series
of
talks
and
work,
but
at
the
same
time
also
being
able
to
meet
up
with
folks
and
you
know,
kind
of
have
a
q
a
session
as
well
as
any
other.
You
know
just
gather
feedback
on
some
of
the
areas
like
instrumentation
and
other
improvements
that
you
know
we
can
add
to
the
project
or
get
free.
B
I
think
we
both
need
to
showcase
kind
of
where
we
are
in
technical
maturity,
as
well
as
answering
questions
taking
feedback.
With
regards
to
the
in-person
related
stuff,
I
feel
like,
given
that
we
wanted
to
focus
on
being
like
careful
with
coveted
safety
precautions.
I'd
rather
not
do
the
dinner
or
a
bar
event
like
the
booth
seems
like
the
most
covensive
option.
We
can
do
that
won't
endanger
our
community
members.
C
Yeah,
I
don't
know
what
their
deal
is
with
floor
plan
or
if
they
have
any
space
or
or
whatnot,
but
to
me
yeah,
like
probably
the
the
easiest
most
coveted
friendly
thing
we
could
do
is
if
we
had
some
kind
of
like
ongoing
like
a
booth.
Is
the
ideal
place
to
put
it
but
yeah
like
an
ongoing
office
hours
thing,
so
people
can
can
come
through
rather
than
like.
Let's,
let's
try
to
get
everybody
in
in
a
room
and
and
do
a
thing.
A
C
I
mean
if
it's,
if
they
go
virtual,
then
I
mean
we
can
encourage
people
to
be
coming
into
our
slack
channel.
I'm
not
I'm
not
sure
what
the
what
the
options
are
at
that
point
within
within
kubecon
and
again.
I
think
it
would
be
like
we
shouldn't
try
to
run
a
parallel
virtual
event
on
top
of
kubecon.
Personally,
I
think
that
will
be
confusing
for
people,
but
but
if
I
have
no
idea
how
they
run
their
fully
virtual
events,
so.
C
G
Yeah
that
sounds
good,
then,
and
also
ted.
On
that
note,
do
you
now
have
a
full
list
of
all
the
talks
that
we
have
for
you
con,
because
I'd
like
to
actually
do
a
blog
post
and
just
post
it
so
that
folks
have
it?
You
know
from
our
blog.
G
D
G
G
Good
and
then
also
I
couldn't
find
the
meeting
agenda
notes.
I
think
the
one
we
have
right
now
is
still
on
the
calendar.
Morgan.
G
Okay,
so
I
had
one
topic
that
is,
I
just
wanted
to
give
a
heads
up
on,
so
we
have
had
been
having
informal
discussions,
as
I
said
in
the
last
meeting,
also
on
instrumentation,
and
we
have
been
the
microsoft
team
and
us
from
aws
have
been
you
know,
kind
of
working
through
establishing
some
of
the
semantic
convention
areas
that
you
know
folks
can
work
on,
but
I
did
for
file
a
formal
request
on
the
community
sig
to
start
a
meeting
for
30
minutes
every
week
on
the
instrumentation
discussions
to
build
out
a
backlog
on
the
areas
that
different
contributors
are
interested
in
contributing
to.
G
So
that's
something
that
you
know
is
is
in
flight
and
again
morgan.
If
you
could,
please
spread
the
word,
and
you
know
with
the
splunkers
and
other
folks.
You
know
who
are
interested.
That
would
be
awesome
and
there's
and
google,
of
course,
is
interested
too.
So
we
have,
you
know,
started
to
kind
of
work
and
pick
up
on
the
semantic
conventions,
and
I
also
have
requested
for
semantic
conventions
as
a
specific
work
group
that
will
work
to
focus
and
specifically
on
that,
where
the
general
instrumentation
sig
is
about.
E
E
It's
august
and
the
I
don't
know
roughly
half
of
us
or
something
are
only
in
our
seat
until
october,
which
means
we
have
to
do
an
election
sort
of
soon.
E
I
still
remember
it
like
it
was
yesterday,
but
I
kind
of
did
a
job
of
it
last
time.
But
I
can't
do
it
this
time
because
I'm
I'm
up
for
election,
so
morrigan
liz,
daniel
alita,
some
set
of
you
and
some
volunteers
from
the
community
need
to
like
figure
that
out
yeah.
B
Basically,
someone
else
can
manage
the
like
comms
on
it.
I
can
handle
the
technical
process.
E
E
G
E
Yeah,
I'm
glad
someone
remembers
that
yeah
I'd
forgotten
that,
but
I
think
you're
right,
maybe
anyway,
I'm
happy
to
discuss
over
email
or
whatever
that
stuff.
If
you
all
want,
I
just
I
probably
shouldn't
actually
be
involved.
G
Should
we
start
in
september
morgan
or
in
like.
A
A
D
So
there
was
a
whole
election
retrospective
topic
on
the
meeting
october
29th
with
a
bunch
of
notes.
Should
we
copy
them
up
to
something
more
recent
or
into
a
new
doc,
or
something
like
that.
G
C
So
someone
did
make
one
of
these
at
one
point
I
forget
it
is
though,
but
there.
F
C
G
E
By
far
the
most
painful
piece
of
this
just
for
the
record
was
the
fact
that
you
can't
off
to
github
it's
by
far
the
most
painful
part
of
it.
So
getting
email
addresses
was
like
a
huge
piece
of
and
dealing
with.
Everything
related
to
that
problem
was
like
a
massive
amount
of
percentage-wise
of
the
work
and,
unfortunately
I
don't
think,
helios
solves
that
problem.
B
E
Be
fun
so
much
better,
so
much
better,
because
and
and
and
at
the
end
at
like
the
11th
hour,
I
had
to
sort
of
grant
exceptions
for
people
who
believe
they
deserve
to
vote
or
whatever,
and
you
know
it
just
felt
totally
random
and
I
mean
anyway
yeah.
I
I
would,
if
that's
something
they
can
do,
it
would
make
this
so
much
better
for
us.
G
G
E
E
G
G
G
G
I
mean
some
of
it.
Maybe
we
can.
I
mean
we
communicated
a
lot
even
last
time
in
terms
of
our
channels,
and
our
I
mean
we
did
not
have
slack
at
that
time.
I
think
so.
I
think
that'll
be
a
lot
more
organized
this
time
that
we
can
actually
broadcast
on
slack.
We
can
broadcast
on
our
blog
post,
as
well
as
on
the
discussions
for
every
repo.
B
You
know
what
the
open
source
code
is
there,
like
is
in
the
amount
of
time
that
would
take
us
to
rank
to
wrangle
like
having
to
track
down
email
addresses.
I
can
just
freaking
contribute
a
a
github
oauth
os
flow
and
and
be
done
with
it
like
it's
open
source,
I'll
talk
to
man
I'll
get
the
contribution
accepted.