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From YouTube: 2022-08-04 meeting
Description
OpenTelemetry Prometheus WG
A
Hey
hello,
I
I
I
love
spreadsheets.
I
feel
like
that's
what
I
should
be
doing
in
life,
and
so
I've
been
hanging
out
in
the
community
survey
spreadsheet
trying
to
do
some
really
cool
crazy
array
formulas,
but
the
good
news
is.
I
did
manage
to
get
a
publicly
viewable
survey
that
scrapes
out
the
pii,
and
so
I
will
drop
the
link
into
the
zoom
chat
here.
A
A
A
Has
it
only
been
like
two
weeks?
It
sounds
like
a
lot
longer
than
that
a
lot
longer
than
that,
so
the
next
one
I'm
still
trying
to
connect
and
confirm
with
michael
house
and
blast
who
is
going
to
be
facilitating
the
emea
version
and
the
time
I
threw
out
for
suggestion
was
august
11th
and
I
just
needed
to
confirm
that's
going
to
work
for
him,
so
I
think
it's
going
to
be
august
11th.
A
A
A
B
A
Okay,
yeah
rin.
If
you'll
take
the
action
item
to
follow
up
with
them,
I
do
have
permissions.
The
only
question
I've
got
in
my
mind
is
last
time
I
used
like
my
corporate
google
meet
account
because
it
needs
to
have
so
much
availability
to
allow
people
in
and
stuff.
I
don't
know
what
tools
are
available
for
other
folks
to
host.
A
B
Yeah
I
mean
I
guess
I
was
trying
to
say
obviously
michael's
at
amazon,
so
who
knows
what
they
have,
but
martin,
because
he's
at
honeycomb
has
a
paid.
Google
apps
account,
I
think,
from
the
perspective
of
the
project.
We
don't
really
care
what
tools
you
use
just
like
yeah
like
for
hotel,
so
it's
really
as
long
as
everyone
can
join.
As
far
as
I
know,
everyone
can
use.
Google
me.
A
B
B
A
A
B
A
A
A
A
B
A
A
B
B
Yeah,
it
would
be
great
to
like
have
a
way
to
like,
say:
hey
we
open
telemetry,
the
project
are
hosting
because
I'm
bringing
up
that
I'm
about
to
host
another
like
vendor,
neutral
event
and
like
we
open
telemetry,
the
project
are
hosting
a
vendor
neutral
event.
Could
y'all
as
contributors
be
so
kind.
A
So
I
see
your
vendor
neutral
series
talk
and
the
next
section
on
the
thing
is
the
quarterly
survey,
and
I
think
it
would
be
beneficial
to
hit
all
of
that,
and
I
wonder
if
we
could
just
like
pre-package
a
tweet
for
all
of
the
vendor
sponsors
of
the
project
and
be
like
hey.
We
want
you
to
get
this
this
and
this
ban.
B
A
B
B
B
Give
towards
having
a
cncf-sponsored
meetup.
I
know
that
they
do.
These
quote
cloud
native
meetups,
but
I
don't,
if
I
put
it
on
meetup
like
I'm,
gonna,
insert
a
honeycomb
credit
card
and
do
the
thing
for
this
one,
because
I
do
not
imagine
that
the
cncf
process
will
get
completed
by
the
23rd,
but
it
would
be.
A
Yeah,
do
you
know
taylor
dolezal?
I
don't
okay
he's
a
person
that
you
will
want
to
talk
to.
He
is
what
is
his
job
he's
been
there
for
a
little
bit,
but
he's
the
head
of
on
slack
and
says
head
of
ecosystem,
but
he
is
the
cncf
employee
who
does
all
the
end
user
stuff.
So
I've
been
collaborating
with
him
closely
for
the
open,
telemetry
end
user
stuff.
A
B
Yeah,
that's
a
great
idea
because
I
tried
reaching
out
to
some
of
the
bigger
quote
cloud
native
meetups,
but
I
think
they're,
all
kubernetes
meetups
and
none
of
the
people
who
run
them
seem
to
answer
either
their
cncf
slack
or
their
meetup.com
messages.
Although
to
be
fair,
meetup.com
messages
are
a
pit
of
spam.
B
A
That'll
be
good,
and
then
maybe
once
a
month,
the
first
week
of
the
month
for
these
meetings,
we'll
look
at
what
we
want
a
package
tweet
for
the
month,
because
basically
we're
saying
these
are
the
cool
things
to
do
in
august
and
then
we'll
redo
it
in
september.
Today.
That
seems
like
a
good
in
that
week.
I
think
that
makes.
B
B
Yes,
absolutely
so,
basically,
I
liz
brah
in
front,
like
I
wrote
a
proposal
with
within
honeycomb.
It
strikes
me
that
this
proposal
is
an
equipped
document,
which
is
something
that
we
use
so
maybe
I'll
copy
and
paste
it
over
to
the
agenda.
So
people
can
see.
Basically,
we
came
up
with
the
idea
to
have
talks
called
open,
telemetry
and
practice.
It's
sort
of
like
I'm
coordinating
it
right
now,
but
we
want
it
to
be
a
vendor
neutral
thing.
Liz
went
to
the
open,
telemetry
governance
committee.
B
They
said
yes,
the
first
one
is
going
to
be
open,
telemetry
in
kubernetes,
basically
like
implementing
the
collector
and
the
way
that
the
format
works
for
this
one
is
jess
from
new,
relic
and
jessatron
on
on
twitter
and
daniel
yeah.
What
did
I
just
say?
I
I
really
just
munged
the
two
speakers
didn't
I
jessatron
from
new
ralph
from
honeycomb
and
daniel
kim
from
new
relic
are
both
going
to
sort
of
connected
talks
on
how
to
configure
the
collector
with
kubernetes.
B
The
idea
is
that
the
talks
are
about
10
minutes.
So
programming
is
about
30
minutes,
and
that
leaves
the
other
30
minutes
of
the
hour
for
people
to
actually
have
a
discussion,
and
everybody
to
kind
of
identify
like
here
are
some
of
the
challenges
that
people
are
actually
facing.
This
kind
of
thing
and
let
me
copy
and
paste
the
abstract
here.
B
And
you
know
I'm
happy
to
entertain
anybody
who
says
I
want
to
speak
in
september,
if
not
I'll
go
around
to
in
the
open,
telemetry
channel
or
to
some
of
the
other
we
have
so
so
there's
one
of
our
customers
who's
expressed
interest.
I
can
get
back
to
you
by
the
on
that
in
the
next
maybe
week
or
so
absolutely
yeah.
A
Awesome,
I
I
know
so
for
those
of
you
who
were
in
the
end
user
discussion
group.
Last
last
time
I
had
talked
to
an
analyst
and
one
of
the
things
that
they
said.
That
kind
of
struck
me
as
interesting
is
vendors,
have
identified
open
telemetry
as
the
right
solution,
which
is
totally
true
right.
We
all
believe
in
open
telemetry,
but
how
do
we
get
those
end
users
to
like
share
that
and
some
more
the
more
that
we
can
do
like
vendor
neutral
series.
A
But
if
we
can
highlight
those
stories
from
actual
users,
I
think
that
will
be
more
successful.
I'm
starting
to
track
those
metrics
over
everything
like
cncf
kubecon
events
and
how
many
of
what
percentage
are
being
led
by
vendors
versus
what
percentage
are
being
led
by
users,
and
I
think
we
need
to
as
a
group
try
to
get
the
users
to
take
off
and
help
support
them
in
that
as
much
as
we
can.
B
Yeah
and
at
the
moment
like
you
know,
I
got
two
speakers
from
vendors
just
because
it's
who
was
available
fairly
quickly
to
try
to
start
something
out,
but
I
would
like
to
make
this
something
where
we
actually
have
users
talk,
but
even
if
it's
vendors,
I
want
to
focus
like
pretty
narrowly
on
implementation
and
kind
of
not
have
a
talk
and
an
implementation
in
particular
languages
not
have
a
talk,
that's
sort
of
about
the
spec
or
only
interesting.
The
contributors.
A
A
Okay,
all
right
so
august
and
user
interview
scheduling,
so
the
person
who's
going
to
be
leading.
That
is
drossy
and
I
think
he's
got
everything
scheduled
for
the
august
25th,
which
is
not
a
week
that
we
have
so
I'll
have
to
check
in
on.
If
that
is,
if
they
want
that
end
user
interview
to
happen
during
this
time
frame
like
we
did
last
time
with
shopify,
so
I
will
connect
with
jurassic
and
confirm
the
date
on
that
one
and
then
the
one
in
september.
A
I
have
some
of
my
my
very
favorite
end
users
of
our
customer
base
coming
in
they're,
pretty
awesome
prior
users
of
open
telemetry,
and
I
think
they've
got
a
good
story
to
share.
So
those
will
be
the
folks
in
september,
and
so
we
don't
have
anyone
lined
up
after
september.
So
if
there's
a
end
user
of
open
telemetry,
you
think
would
like
to
come
in
and
talk
to
the
open
telemetry
community
in
that
high
fidelity
interview
style.
That
is
open.
B
A
Yeah,
whatever
works
for
people,
we've
only
done
two
of
them
so
far.
I
think
personally,
it
makes
a
little
more
sense
to
schedule
those
explicitly
and
not
have
them
come
at
this
time,
because
we've
got
stuff
to
do
from
a
facilitation
stuff
to
talk
about.
So
I
have
a
small
preference
that
those
get
just
scheduled
whatever
works
best,
but
if
the
time
this
time
works
best
for
the
end
users
sure
I
come
into
this
meeting.
A
I
know
that
we
have
a
variety
of
end
users
who
have
expressed
interest
but
are
very
hesitant
to
do
the
auto
record
and
post
a
youtube
thing
and
so
they've,
the
first
one
we
did
was
recorded
off
zoom
platform.
The
second
one
was
recorded
and
auto
posted
to
youtube.
It's
just
going
to
be
dependent
on
the
end,
user's
transparency,
level
of
comfort.
B
Okay,
that
makes
total
sense.
I
will
go
ask
in
my
work,
slack
channels
who
might
be
a
good
customer
for
this,
because
I'm
sure
we've
got
someone.
A
number
of
our
customers
are
quite
opinionated.
Is
there
anything
as
far
as
profile
that
you're
looking
for
other
than
like
actively
implementing
open
telemetry
or
have
we
we've
just
not
narrowed
that
right.
A
B
We
a
while
back,
decided
to
try
to
not
continue
supporting
bee
lines,
which
was
our
kind
of
custom
telemetry
sand.
That
was
intentional,
so
we're
kind
of
forcing
people
into
it.
So
I
anticipate
I
can
definitely
get
someone
who's
implemented
it
I
mean
we
still
like
support
people
who
are
already
sending
data
from
it,
but.
A
And
so
far,
the
folks
that
we
have
brought
in
have
been
like
high
scale
users
of
open
telemetry,
and
so
I
think
that
is
potentially
a
good
piece
of
like
oh
we're,
using
open,
telemetry
across
a
variety
of
languages
and
a
variety
of
workloads,
and
we
because
we
do
that
we
are
opinionated
on
particular
things.
I
know
the
collector
group
has
asked
for
feedback.
A
A
So
it
doesn't
actually
have
to
be
vendors,
it's
just
some
human
being
from
the
community
sponsor
someone
to
come
in
and
talk,
but
right
now
who
are
the
people
on
this?
This
call
we're
all
vendors
pretty
much,
so
it
just
so
happens
to
be
that
way.
But
as
we
move
into
the
next
topic
about
the
quarter
survey
analysis,
I
think,
as
a
group,
we
may
have
some
things
that
we
might
want
to
do
so,
let's
see
so
for
those
of
you
who
didn't
start
chatting
right
at
the
time.
A
I
spent
some
time
this
morning,
working
on
a
transparent
community,
quarterly
survey
response
sheet
with
personally
identifiable
information
redacted,
and
so
I
want
to
get
this
out
there
into
the
world.
So
far,
we've
had
32.
Oh
wait,
no
46
responses.
I
want
to
give
a
super
awesome.
Thank
you
to
pretty
sure
it
was
y'all
over
at
honeycomb
who
tweeted
the
survey
on
the
27th,
and
we
got
a
bunch
of
responses
back.
So
thank
you
and
we're
gonna.
A
I
was
right
before
this
working
on
twittery
words
to
give
to
the
com
sig
to
tweet
out
about
it
also
and
just
get
some
of
these
surveys
coming
in,
but
there
are
so.
This
is
the
pii
redacted,
because
this
is
youtube.
I
don't
wanna
go
into
the
one
that
has
pii,
but
there
is
a
question
in
there.
That's
like
can
open
telemetry
community
contact?
You
do
you
want
to
chat
with
us.
If
so,
give
us
your
contact,
information
and
a
couple
people
are
like.
B
A
A
B
A
A
B
Yeah
I
I
was,
I
I'm
drawing
this
really
coarse
line,
which
may
not
be
appropriate
in
my
mind,
which
is
like,
if
you
look
at
a
really
mature
project
like
java
spring.
To
pick
an
example,
most
people
who
use
spring
have
nothing
to
do
with
the
github
project
or
the
issues
they
they,
you
know,
grab
their
artifacts
from
somewhere.
They
read
docs
somewhere
and
then
there's
only
a
small
fraction
of
them
that
ever
file
an
issue
or
review
a
pull
request,
or
do
anything
like
that
right.
A
I
think
that's
a
good
question
that
our
end
user
working
group
could
start
teasing
apart
a
little
bit
of
like
do.
You
think,
you're
a
contributor.
What
does
contributor
mean
to
you,
and
I
think
we
should
get
taylor's
taylor
dorizal's
perspective
on
that
as
the
person
leading
the
cncf
end
user
activities
as
a
whole.
A
Sure,
like
I
am
happy,
so
I
don't
want
to
throw
pii
out
there
to
the
world,
and
so
you
can
reach
out
to
me.
I've
got
the
link
with
the
one
that
doesn't
have
pii
redacted.
But
if
you
read
through
this,
maybe
maybe
the
right
way
to
do
it
is
read
through
the
survey
and
identify
hey.
Maybe
we
would
want
to
talk
to
that
person
and
then
you
can
ask
and
I
can
if
they
included
their
pii,
some
of
them
are
like.
A
Yes,
we
want
to
talk
to
you
and
then
they
didn't
give
us
any
contact.
Information
and
I've
got
it
as
anonymous,
and
so
we
may
or
may
not
be
able
to
provide
information.
I
could
interesting,
I'm
I
love
spreadsheets
and
I
haven't
used
them
for
so
long.
I
wonder
if
I
can
ignore
this
and
again
trying
to
do
some
crazy
stuff
put
a
an
x
if
they
did
include
contact
information
versus
just
completely
killing
the
entire
response
field.
A
B
Yeah,
oh
yeah,
that
was
connected
to
the
talks,
but
in
general,
if
I,
if
I
make
a
meet
up,
I'm
happy
to
like
use
it
to
advertise
all
our
stuff.
Just
you
know
I
was
having
a
discussion
of
this
internally
and
someone
was
like:
why
aren't
you
using
meetup?
That's
what
developers
use
and
I'm
like?
Okay,
fair
enough.
A
B
B
B
A
B
I
was
just
curious
that
survey
that
michael
hudson
blas
posted
is
that
just
something
that
they're
doing
on
their
own,
then
michael
is
doing
that
totally
informally
on
his
own.
As
far
as
I
know,
I
can
ask
to
clarify,
I
mean
michael
obviously
is
a
pm
at
aws,
so
it
may
be
related
to
aws's
open
telemetry
strategy,
but
I
think
he's
committed
to
sharing
the
results
with
everybody.
So.
A
And
someone
did
ask
him
in
the
open,
telemetry
channel
like
what
it's
about,
and
he
said
it
was
for
his
adot
something
to
do
with
amazon,
specifically,
which
is
totally
cool
like
I
don't
want
to
get
people
survey
fatigue.
But
I
found
it
like
two
percent
interesting
that
that
just
like
came
out
of
the
blue
and
because
there's
a
lot
of
overlap
between
that
and
the
survey
that
the
community
itself
has
gathered.
But
it's
not
vendor
neutral.
So.