Open Telemetry Uncategorized, 2 Nov 2022

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OpenTelemetry PHP SIG Meeting

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Hey Brett, how are you I'm.

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Good thanks, how are you living the.

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What's the weather like over there today.

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uh Let's see it is.

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It's like it's about ten to uh 12 degrees, Yeah, it's about 10 degrees. Now I'm going to be about 20.

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Yeah yeah: well, that's pretty good yeah.

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It sure is it's we're hanging on to the last little bit of warmth before it starts getting cold yeah.

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It's actually pretty similar uh yeah low teens we're looking forward to maybe 20 degrees in a couple of days, but it's just wet. It's.

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Been raining here, I, don't think about your Australian Summer's concert right. Yes,.

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Yes, it is uh yeah, they can be pretty brutal, but um apparently this one's going to just be temperate and very very wet foreign.

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I, don't know if it made the news but half of my State's underwater yeah.

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You know Town's being cut off and all sorts of family interesting.

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Stuff, so um when that happens, like do people try and migrate to whatever you are.

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uh No, no, if you're not staying in their towns they're just you know, there's lots of sandbagging and um yeah.

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No there's been quite a few houses lost, I mean it's no. No! It's no.

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You know tropical hurricane stuff that you guys get.

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There are industrial disasters here, that's for sure.

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Absolutely yes, yes, well, the um uh hurricanes and it's a Georgia wouldn't be.

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uh Yeah we we get some hurricanes, sometimes we're actually in like a pretty good spot, because there are a lot of the coastal places. Get Smoked by hurricanes like where my parents live, that there's tons of hurricanes, then west of us there's lots of tornadoes and we're sort of like in the middle of both of those. So we get like, we don't ever get tornadoes and we only get little bits of hurricanes, but fortunately never anything to bonkers.

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It might just be you and me tonight today.

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Whoa, that might be, that might be a good meeting.

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uh Well, we can make some decisions: yeah I.

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Love making decisions, yes,.

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Thank you give them to me. I've put a couple of things on the agenda. I.

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Thought thank you for doing that. That's.

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Just had a new bug report too I.

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Saw that I haven't looked at the report, yet the title.

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Yeah, oh, my first reaction was to to dismiss it, but that thing actually put some thought into it. So maybe we're better.

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Just understand what it meant. Oh.

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I'm looking I'm reading through it right now.

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The possible solution sounds pretty good.

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Yeah so it sounds like it might be, a legitimate Corner case, um and this.

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Person might screw up so.

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I can imagine being able to write a test to prove or otherwise this.

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Person's also a core contributor to Symphony, so I'm, assuming that they're pretty good at PHP.

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Yeah I noticed that too yeah yeah I thought I'd recognize the name from somewhere.

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uh I mean I, guess that's a good sound like celebrities are starting to use their Library.

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It's a bit of pressure right.

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What's that good.

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Pressure I'm sure culture program is looking at my code.

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Well, you know what they say: pressure makes diamonds Brad.

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Yeah, yes, all.

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Right well we're five after and just give me so, let's get rolling.

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Let's catch on Plenty of coming along.

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I think that that's just a copy and paste from no.

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Okay, this week's it was kishan. Wasn't there oh.

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Well, maybe he was playing I'd call anybody who couldn't make it yeah.

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You know things come up all right. I almost share my screen, so we can go over the um my gender all right, open, PR's,.

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You have the refactor otlp, oh.

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Yeah so I I I think that's that's right. um Tobias hasn't hasn't added anything to it since um since last week or longer, two.

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Weeks ago, yeah.

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uh How do you feel about merging it.

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um I will read through it today because I I think I've read through it like I've, uh skimmed it, but I haven't actually read it. I will I will review it and merge our review and approve if, uh if I didn't appropriate, but if you don't have any quants I, probably won't either right.

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One looks so good, but that's the first one I approved it I just thought: I'd wait for for seek to um have a discussion or see if anybody had anything to say, but otherwise I'm happy.

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Yeah I did read through this one too, this one's fine, let's spread it right.

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I always like to make fun sounds when I put the merge button. Sorry say it again, but I always like to make fun sounds when I click the merge button.

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uh Adding failing tests for to-do's looks like you approve this already.

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Yeah- and perhaps you could just merge it, um I just had a question for Tobias. Do we want to capture like he's added some useful comments in the pr as to what's going on? I just didn't want those to get to get lost um yeah, but as far as I can tell, the failing tests are: oh I had to fail like that, would fail to build, so you could actually just go ahead and merge. It.

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Okay, you want me to merge it or do you want me to, um or should we make issues for those things or should we have tobiasmic issues for those things.

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Or, alternatively, we can merge it and say: hey Tobias. We merge this. Let's make tickets for the issues that are in here.

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Let's do that. That seems like the lowest common denominator.

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I had to merge it because I said I merged it. I'm gonna, be ahead of the game. Come on.

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Right uh all right, so we have that open by. We talked about that already um uh uh I'm, trying to think about it. I can't I'll sign this to myself and take a look at it.

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uh Yeah yeah sure.

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um You got action, items or agenda items, sorry.

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I got things to chat about yeah um foreign. The first one was um the draft PR that was just a to chat about it and to push for 838 to get merged, because there was a prereq uh which you just did so. I can uh probably tomorrow, submit my my draft PR to have a look at, but that's just some infrastructure for basic, auto loading or Auto configuring uh nsdk, so that we can hopefully, with this, um do auto instrumentation of existing applications without people having to write any code at all.

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That's the end goal I think that's how you start getting a lot of adoption for this.

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um So that's all good to say at that one, uh the next one: okay, just a discussion point that um there's a sort of side check going on the instrumentation um channeling Slack um yeah, just after I, really just after feedback from other people who are interested all right, I'm going to be quiet this past week, so I haven't heard anything uh and then last one just a question: do I think we could probably go, and you know we don't have to be backwards, compatible forever.

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um Sure, yes, yeah to.

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Honest Timo was the only person really maintaining it, um probably busted a whole bunch of stuff in the past few weeks and um not added any BC for for quite a bit of it.

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Is it worth for for this? Is it worth um creating issues, so many people could take on those tests.

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um uh Yeah yeah yeah. We should.

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I I, like a fairly small one, I weigh I, weigh that so often I, like the difference between creating an issue for something easy, so that new people can get involved or just doing it and have.

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Me in the office, you know this one's 80's easy, but it's also unimportant. um It could sit there for weeks and weeks.

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Yeah so that I mean that's a probably a ripe one for new people working on the project.

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Okay, all right: do you just think of one more thing actually which.

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Is I'm all yours, the.

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Stale bought his clients, so we've had a few issues over the past couple of months. We've assigned them to people and they sat there for a while and then the style books, closed them and I. Think I didn't necessarily reopen all of them.

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uh Let's should we take a look at that yeah.

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Maybe how did we find them? It's.

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Closed where's.

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The stable handle, perhaps.

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Like there's 11 of those.

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Yeah, so are there any oh propagator, Factory I'm doing that now.

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Do you recognize as being so that one's okay, for example, yep.

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I think that's.

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uh Maybe I, maybe this isn't as bad as I thought.

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You know part of students, jobs, yeah, yeah,.

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Seems relevant.

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Api is a decoupled dependency, um I mean I think it is now. Okay.

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I I know, but I met like um be able to start them separately.

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I was just looking at that uh yeah. Oh, that's an open item that I have too.

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um All right, maybe there's never mind. Okay,.

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I forgot to add it um with.

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Other maintainers uh API versus the sdks.

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I brought that um oh this.

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Is the versioning thing yeah.

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I brought the versioning thing up at the maintainers meeting on Monday, yes about it, and they they were very unanimous about yeah. It's definitely important to be able to install them separately. um It's critical and.

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Stole them yes, but yeah, and we can do that now, but can we or should we versions.

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Sorry, yes and I meant I said: I have some met version because they were talking about how they Daniel dialer from the JavaScript six and they haven't updated the API in almost two years for tracing yeah.

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To be expected, yeah.

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Yeah, so I I definitely see the Allure of being able to version them separately. I really wish somebody would make a comment there because I'm not well for nothing, uh get split, sub packaging and versioning for PHP applications.

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I'm pretty comfortable with the mechanics of it, um it's just the the making sure that we don't do it we're all like. Is this.

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Versioning or you know, if we and if we change the API with a backward like let's say we checked the SDK changes such that it gets a new major version, but it's a mono repo. What does that mean for all of our tests.

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um Yeah these these are just unknowns. um I, don't I, don't have answers.

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I have an idea: do you want um to get more visibility on that? Maybe just respond to my initial question and just post it back to the channel too, like.

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Maybe yeah right.

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And post it back in the channel, so I got to the top of the frame for people yep.

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That would be. That might be my best bet to try and get people to engage with it. I guess right.

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Yeah, uh you know you do have to scroll back into. There may smell good today.

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Okay, I'll do that: okay, cool.

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All right is there anything else. I want to chat about today.

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No I, don't think so. um No I think my.

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um uh Auto loading he has probably the last one that I would want to do before beta cool.

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We're getting we're getting close, we're.

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Getting close, yeah Tobias seems to have run out of steam, um I'm, not seeing anything new from him for for a couple of weeks, so maybe sort of done all that he wanted to do.

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um Yeah write a beta because it was the the talk about beta that really seemed to Spur him on to get a whole lot of things done. Yeah.

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I think I think that you know that's our next large Milestone. Is there anything that we can do to try and get to? It is a good thing and then we'll have to eventually start our metrics, but.

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Is probably closer than you think it looks pretty good yeah.

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I'm sure I'm sure it is I haven't done enough investigation with it. But we have to put I guess what maybe I should say. We have to shift our Focus eventually to metrics and then eventually to logs too, but yes and then eventually the profiler, but we're.

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Profile, I didn't even know about that one. Oh.

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Yeah, there's a hotel profiling uh Channel. If you want to check it out, it's it's Rel It's, relatively new, like that's the new, that's the signal that most people are gonna, probably work on after um vlog.

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Okay, interesting is that more detailed than tracing.

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uh Yes, yeah, have you done PHP profiling before I.

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Have with um uh xtbook and xh Prof yeah.

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Yeah I think it's essentially they just want to do um around this. um The way that I understood it and I think I understand it very incorrectly, but the way that I understand it is they're. They want to try to do something like xh Prof but standard as a cross line, which is.

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Let's see we'll see, I think that that was one and then they talked about some new uh at kubecon this year they hadn't opened until about a tree, meet up I guess and they talk about some other potential things and they talked about um Cloud uh Cloud cost as a as a potential signal in the future, which I thought was kind of fascinating. It doesn't seem super relevant for this.

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But it seems super relevant for what we can like how we can interweave things.

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uh Yeah, what did you say? It was called Cloud cost.

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uh Yeah, it's they were talking, I, don't know if that part has a name yet, but they were talking about, like um usually open Telemetry, to help determine Cloud costs.

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ah Yes, of course, I understand here: yep.

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Yeah so anywho.

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Fascinating all right, well, I think we might be done as well. Yep.

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I think we got it so we'll uh I'll see you on the internet and I'll talk to you next week.

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