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From YouTube: 2023-03-22 meeting
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OpenTelemetry PHP SIG Meeting
B
A
B
A
The
sensible
10
pm
open
source
meeting
yeah
I
was
explaining
that
to
my
wife,
the
other
day
I
did
this
last
week
because
I
wasn't
or
was
it
the
week
before,
one
of
them
where
I
wasn't
feeling
well?
Do
you
have
that
meeting
I
want
to
say
mornings,
I
was
like
I,
you
do
realize
I
do
that
for
free,
like
because
I'm
interested
in
it
appreciate,
always
after
hey
my
daughter
to
school
yeah
in
the
morning
and
she's
like
well
I
know
you're
right
into
a
meeting
like
yeah
kind
of
have
to
be
there.
A
A
B
B
A
So
I
was
going
to
bring
a
I
was
going
to
bring
that
up.
It's
like
it
is
Alpha
quality,
so
perhaps
we
should
just
urge
it
and
be
ready
for
feedback
yeah.
B
Be
very
oppressive,
though,
if
it,
you
know,
if
the
first
pull
request
makes
it
through
to
a
general
journal
availability
release
unchanged,
but
I.
A
My
screen
I'm
sure
my
screen
to
make
sure
I'm
not
giving
away
any
company
secrets,
let's
see
where
there's
the
company
Secrets,
those
are
the
ones
I
don't
want
to
share.
B
These
actually
do
get
posted
to
to
YouTube
as
well
I
watched
last
week's
meeting.
That's
right!
That's.
B
C
A
I
also
added
a
new
thing
in
this
in,
like
our
initial
review,
bits
and
pieces-
and
this
is
this-
is
important-
I'm
going
to
bring
this
up
as
one
of
our
agenda
items.
This
is
the
stack
Overflow
for
open,
Telemetry,
PHP,
I,
guess
I
could
just
talk.
I
guess,
I
could
just
talk
through
this.
Now
in
the
maintainers
meeting
on
Monday,
the
maintainers
were
discussing
the
right
way
to
triage
issues
that
come
up
in
our
libraries
as
they
come.
A
As
you
both
probably
know,
there
are
a
lot
of
different
ways
that
you
can
document
the
document
how
to
fix
issues
from
the
readme.
In
our
repository
to
the
open,
tele
documentation,
we
get
a
lot
of
people
coming
into
our
slack
asking
questions
and
you
know
General,
banter
or
whatever,
and
then
there's
also
GitHub
GitHub
issues
for
discussions
on
how
to
fix
problems,
and
then
there's
also
stack
overflow.
A
So
the
sprawl
on
this
is
pretty
big
and
we're
discussing
the
right
way
to
graduate
so
I
thought,
I'd
bring
it
up
in
our
meeting.
The
the
general
consensus
in
that
meeting
was
to
try
a
new
stack
Overflow
as
much
as
possible,
because
it's
the
one
that
seems
to
be
search
indexed
the
best,
but
GitHub
discussions
is
also
a
really
great
place
to
have
this
I'm
sorry,
not
discussions.
A
Github
issues
is
also
a
great
place
to
have
discussions
about
the
library
the
CNC,
the
other
cncf
Library
maintainers
were
like
kind
of
discouraging
the
use
of
triaging
issues
in
slack
because
the
retention
isn't
forever
and
it's
not,
and
it's
not
indexable
to
the
public,
internet
and
blah
blah,
so
that
that
was
something
that
other
cigs
were
encouraging
and
I
guess
I
want
to
hear
y'all's
opinions
too,
but
I
think
I'm
also
going
to
encourage,
like
don't
solve
problems
in
slack.
A
Have
the
person
open
a
GitHub
issue
or
and
solve
it
from
there,
so
that
we
can
have
documentation
of
the
historic
zombie
it's
a
little
bit
of
extra
work,
but
it
does
help
us
in
the
future
when
other
people
face
the
same
fate.
C
A
I
sorry,
100
aggregative
Jack
I'm
wondering
what
like
what
the
translation
effort
from
that
to
get
a
discussion
is
probably
not
a
ton
and
I'm
happy
to
take
on
that
work
if
it,
if
we
call
it
work
but
like
when
we
triage
an
issue,
we're
most
likely
going
to
see
that
same
issue
again
right,
because
that's
the
that's
just
how
it
works.
So
I'm
wondering
if,
when
we
triage
those
issues,
if
fixing
if
like
just
discussing
them
in
slack,
is
enough
or
if
we
should
post
them,
some
like
put
them
somewhere
else
too.
C
B
We're
not
using
the
GitHub
discussions
feature
at
all
at
the
moment.
Are
we.
B
C
C
C
A
A
And
I
looked
at
the
opportunity.
Php's
tag
stack,
Overflow
questions,
not
just
one
and.
A
C
A
B
But
yes,
I
I,
understand
the
search
ability
and
if
someone
has
a
problem,
then
someone
else
is
going
to
have
that
problem.
Unless
we
do
something
to
help
or
you
know
remediate
that
be
it
documentation
or
sensible
settings
or
you
know,
ideally,
we
would
every
time
someone
has
a
question
or
get
stuck
with
something
we
would
be
thinking.
What
can
I
do
to
stop
that
from
happening
again.
A
Right,
yeah
I
think
there
is
that
careful
balance
of
oh
it's
just
an
easy
problem
to
solve
and
I
can
make
sure
that
other
people
don't
fall
into
the
same
problem
like
sometimes
those
questions
lead
to
a
an
API
or
an
SDK
change,
and
sometimes
it's
just
like.
Oh
that
documentation
isn't
super
clear.
Here's
how
you
do
it
so.
A
B
B
A
A
That
stuff
sweet,
do
you
wanna?
Is
that
something
you
can
do
now
or
is
that
something
you
still
need
a
new
like
you're
still
working
on.
A
B
C
There
is
one
this
is
there's
one
here:
issue:
pull
request,
so
I'm,
currently
working
on
extending
this
instrumentation
and
I'm
working
on
a
writing
a
correct
integration
tests
in
particular.
C
So
when
I
will
finish,
that
I
will
also
extend
it
with
other
Watchers
that
we
have
in
original
as
Scott
Plankton
library
and
also,
of
course,
I
will
write
more
tests
to
test
these
Watchers
and
then,
when
we
will
have
it
I
think
that
we
will
have
to
return
to
this
discussion
regarding
the
amount
of
spawns
that
we
are
generating,
because
that
will
be
the
problem
that
will
be
related
to
also
other
Frameworks
to
all
Frameworks
and
libraries.
So
we
have
to
have
a
way
to
control
number
of
spawns
that
we
generate.
B
Yep
yep,
so
there's
yeah,
there's
a
discussion
that
the
prison
break
and
I
have
been
participating
into.
How
like
can
we
come
up
with
a
generalized
way
to
solve
this
for
all
six?
That's
it's
something!
We're.
B
A
B
Yes,
it's
it's
probably
more
like
a
well
we're.
Not
let's
see
what
actually
is
such
a
discussion,
but
it's
probably
something
like
tagging
or
annotating
a
span.
As
you
know,
this
is
a
detailed
level
or
this
is
a
or
low
importance
and
this
one's
High
importance
and
then
allowing
some
configuration
where
the
the
user
or
the
application
or
an
okay
and
say
I'm.
Only
student
High
importance,
experience
or
low
detail
or
high
detail
experience,
or
so.
C
So
something
like
that,
but
I
think
that
we
need
to
give
away
because
everything
depends
on
the
context.
So
for
one
user,
this
fun
might
be
important
and
for
the
other
is
there,
it
might
be
not
be
not
important
and
I
think
we
have
to
give
a
user
away
to
to
say
that.
C
A
Yeah
the
one
man's
trash
is
another
man's
treasure.
That's
for
sure,
but
I
agree
with
you
like
that's
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
is
the
most
fascinating
about
distributed
choice
and
one
of
the
reasons
I
was
originally
interested
in
the
most,
but
also
one
of
like
the
one
of
the
most
contentious
is.
This
can
give
you
like
all
of
these
distributed
trades
and
things
and
give
you
a
ton
of
information,
and
it
can
give
you
so
much
instrument.
A
C
That's
that
is
something
similar
the
when
you
have
when
you
are
trying
to
understand
the
project
that
you
are
new
on
and
you
are,
you
are
using,
for
instance,
Umi
generator
to
to
to
see
all
the
classes
and
the
relationships
between
them
and
when,
when
this
diagram
is
very
big,
it's
it's
still
very
hard
to
understand.
What's
going
on,
there.
A
Yeah,
it's
like
that.
Have
you
all
seen
that
there's
a
a
really
pretty
funny
picture
of
the
system,
oriented
architecture
for
Uber
and
like
the
diagram
is
so
big
that
you
have
to
zoom
out.
You
know
to
the
to
the
Moon
to
be
able
to
see
all
the
details.
Yes,.
A
B
So
Severin
created
it.
Indeed,
an
issue
in
the
species
got.
A
C
So
there
is
one
issue
with
a
sec
fault
and
I
couldn't
reproduce
this
one
first
of
all,
I
for
some
reason
the
docker.
It
doesn't
work
for
me,
so
the
the
docker
Pro
configuration
provided
by
PR
here
doesn't
work
for
me
and
I
tried
to
reproduce
that
on
locally
on
with
my
local
PHP
version
and
so
on,
but
I
couldn't
so
I
will
return
to
to
this
issue.
After
finishing
this
laravel
instrumentation,
because.
B
A
C
You
can
try
okay.
A
B
A
B
B
A
C
A
B
Yeah,
so
what
I
think
the
feature
that
we
really
need
is
just
a
way
to
allow
someone
to
install
a
version
of
a
package
but
kind
of
like
with
version
constraints.
Give
me
the
latest
stable
or
give
me
something
that
begins
with
version
one
or
something
like
that.
It
bothers
me
a
bit
that
that
we
have
to.
B
C
B
Pickle,
for
example,
you
should
you
can
just
say
you
know
it
could
be
the
most
recent
stable
version,
and
it
will
locate
that
for
you
and
and
installment.
So
you
don't
have
to
keep
going.
Oh
now,
I
want
this
new
DOT
revision
or
there's.
A
All
right,
cool,
well,
I'm,
very
helpful,
I'm,
very
hopeful
that
all
of
the
effort
that
you
are
put
into
trying
to
get
in
contact
with
somebody
on
that
tackle
mail
and
list
works,
but
I'm
also
realistic
and
think
that
it
may
not
be,
but
that
is
it
is.
It
is
positive
to
think
that
we're
getting
close
to
a
ga,
that's
very
exciting.
Yes,
all
right!
A
So
the
agenda
violence
we
had
were
your
draft
PR
for
log
signal,
which
we
were
obviously
very
far
past,
since
we
merged
already
and
talking
about
stack,
Overflow
I
could
have
discussions
and
soccer
sponsors.
We
already
talked
about
that.
Does
anybody
have
any
other
meeting
agenda
items
that
they'd
like
to
talk
about
today?.
B
Yeah
nothing
I
was
going
to
mention
just
since
we're
talking
about
pickle
was
I
did
start
to
have
a
look
at
people
today
to
sing
with
the
record
like
submit
a
patch
for
it
to
to
do
that
version
constraint
thing
something
like
what
composer
does,
but
yeah
I
feel
like
I
could
probably
get
it
to
work,
but
then,
as
I
was
going
through
their
their
bugs
it's
starting
to
become
apparent
that
that's
not
a
like
it's
almost
it's
somewhere
on
the
way
towards
being
abandoned
or
not
actively.
A
B
Yeah,
which
doesn't
help
so
I
mean
pickle
pickle.
The
pbco
is
also,
you
know,
barely
maintained.
A
B
Well,
I
think
I
think
someone
started
off
pickle
as
a
replacement
for
pickle,
but
it
just
got
yeah
yeah.
Most
of
the
work
was
done
so
eight
years
ago
and
in
a
flurry
of
activity,
and
then
you
know
barely
anything,
so
it
still
works
fairly.
Well,
but
it's
just
you
know:
yeah
not
active.
A
B
Yes,
it's
not
dead.
It's
risky,
yes,
yeah,
which
just
brings
back
to
what
the
hell's
going
on
with
with
Heckle
and
as
I
mentioned.
I
did
also
email,
the
PHP
Foundation,
nothing
pickled,
that
new
thing
that
was
sort
of
Spun
up
to
provide
funding
for,
or
developments
to,
PHP
language.
A
B
B
It's
yes,
because
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
cool
developers
do
you
hang
around
there
foreign?