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B
Okay,
so
the
only
thing
I
had
on
the
agenda
was
to
finalize
open,
telemetry,
quarterly
feedback
survey-
let's
take
the
next
minute
or
so
to
add
additional
stuff
to
the
agenda
that
y'all
would
like
to
cover
before
we
jump
into
it.
B
B
Okay,
we're
just
going
over
and
adding
anything
to
the
agenda
that
we
want
to
chat
about
over
the
next
half
hour.
And
then
we
will
continue
on.
B
I
so
one
of
the
challenges
we've
had
is
when
we're
getting
into
talking
about
feedback
survey.
Sometimes
it
can
or
feedback
design
it
can
get
overwhelm
the
agenda.
C
I'll
I'll
talk
about
that
yeah,
I'm
sorry.
It
wasn't
here
the
last
couple
weeks
my
calendar
sort
of
sucks,
but
I
the
last
couple
times,
but
I
a
few
times
ago.
C
I
brought
up
the
idea
of
having
folks
from
you
know
who
work
on
hotel,
frequently
or
primarily
bringing
end
users
sort
of
like
explicitly
in
for
feedback
as
opposed
to
kind
of
just
having
like
a
suggestion,
box
or
whatever
somewhere,
and
I'm
happy
to
try
and
drive
on
that
a
little
bit
if
we
want,
but
I
I
wasn't
sure
if
there's
any
objection
or
people
who
want
to
be
involved
in
like
how
we
would
actually
structure
that
or
if
this
is
already
starting
to
happen
because
we
talked
about
it.
B
My
response
to
that
is,
I
don't
think,
there's
been
meaningful
progress.
I
believe
that
ted
young
had
the
action
item
to
kind
of
work
with
that.
Okay,
but.
D
B
We
also
have
identified
at
least
two
customers,
or
rather
end
users
who
would
like
to
participate
for
sure.
C
Okay,
so
I
guess
maybe
I
should
talk
to
ted
or
something
like
that.
I
think
the
part
of
it
that
I
really
am
adamant
about
is
having
having
kind
of
hotel
insiders
like
have
a
responsibility
that
they're
accountable
to
to
like
find
someone
to
come
in
and
talk
about
stuff
on,
like
a
periodic
basis.
Do
you
know?
Does
anyone
know
if
ted
has
accomplished
that
piece
of
it?
If
not,
I
think
that's
what
I'll
push
on,
but
hey
todd,
perfect
ted,
I'm
asking
about
the
hotel,
byo
hotel,
end
user
thing.
C
I
was
wondering
if
we
can
like
have
twist
some
arms
for
hotel
insiders
to
actually
sign
up
on
like
which
week
are
you
bringing
a
hotel
end
user
to
like
do
like
a
detailed,
deep
dive,
etc
that
kind
of
stuff?
I
know
we
have
some
people
that
we've
identified,
but
but
I
was
curious
if
we
have
that
mechanism
yeah.
C
You
know
I
volunteer
for
this
as
an
hotel
inside
person
and
I'm
told
well,
you
know
on
may
7th
or
something
I
have
to
show
up
with
an
hotel
end
user
in
tow
to
like
provide
feedback
like
that's
the
sign
up
that
I'm
really
looking
for,
because
my
I
think
that
there
are
plenty
of
we
all
know
plenty
of
people
that
we
could
do
this
so
that
every
week
or
two,
if
we
wanted
to,
we
could
have
a
pretty
detailed,
deep
dive
into
like.
Where
are
the
challenges
like
you
know?
What's
working?
C
What's
not
what
do
you
want
kind
of
conversation
but
like,
but
we
need
that
we
need
those
dates
and
those
assignments
to
do
that,
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
no
one
objects,
I'm
happy
to
like
just
move
on
that,
but
that
that's
my
main
agenda
item
for
today
was
to
just
try
and
get
that
going.
A
Yeah
yeah,
I
mean
it
sounds
good
to
me,
I'm
happy
to
help
to
help
poke
people
and
and
organize
schedules.
If
people
where
is
is,
should
we
write
down
potentials
somewhere
like
do
we
want
to
have
like
a
spreadsheet
or
something
where.
C
Yeah,
I
think
spreadsheet
sounds
good.
I
mean
we
can.
If
this
takes
more
than
90
seconds,
we
can
take
this
offline,
but
my
vision
was
sort
of
like
there's
a
spreadsheet
of
the
hotel
inside
people.
Who've
agreed
to
participate
in
this
process,
and
you
know
we
can
kind
of
harangue
people
a
little
bit
to
get
them
to
agree
and
then
there's
a
spreadsheet
another
sheet
of
like
actual
dates
and
times
with
like
us.
C
The
hotel
person
who
needs
to
go
and
find
someone
to
come
and
talk,
and
you
know
repeats-
are
allowed
if,
if
need
be,
but
hopefully
each
time
we're
getting
like
a
fresh,
take
yeah.
C
It
yeah,
then,
obviously,
there's
some
scheduling
that
has
to
happen,
but
I
think
that's
easier
than
the
the
other
part.
Yeah
sounds
good.
I'm
happy.
B
Okay
on
on
that
topic
ben,
you
said
every
week
or
every
other
week
I
just.
C
B
B
Yeah,
I
I
definitely
agree
minimum
monthly.
I
feel
like
going
from
ad
hoc
to
weekly
might
be
a
stretch
as
we
start
kicking
this
off.
So
I
think
we
can
totally.
The
other
benefit
here
is
with
kubecon
coming
up.
There
may
be
an
opportunity
to
do
some
of
those
facilitated
discussions
at
cubecon
as
well.
Yeah.
E
You
could
have
a
calendly
link,
that's
like
okay,
here's,
the
slots
that
are
available
and
then
there's
probably
some
logistics
things
about
getting
that
into
a
shared
calendar
that
I'm
not
fully
aware
of.
But
it's
an
idea.
C
B
Thanks
for
that,
I
did
austin
okay,
so
next
steps
ben.
Are
you
taking
the
action
item
to
yeah,
I'm
just
I'll.
C
Take
that
thank
you
for
just
asking
I'll,
take
the
action,
because
I'm
literally
doing
another
window
right
now
to
make
the
spreadsheet
I
subscribe.
It'll
take
probably
less
than
this
meeting
and
then
ted.
I
think
graciously
volunteered
to
like
actually
help
on
this,
but
I
I
would
say
that
we
should.
I
think
we
should
set
a
pretty
short
timeline
like
can
we
by
the
next
time
we
have
one
of
these
meetings?
Can
we
have
gotten
a
whole
bevy
of
of
hotel
volunteers
to
help
just
bring
people
in?
I
think
that's
realistic.
A
B
I
don't
know
what
ben
was
thinking,
but
I
think
I
have
a
preference
that
this
meeting
is
used
for
like
logistics
and
planning
like
this
kind
of
thing,
and
so,
if
we
had
a
separate
session
for
we
really
needed
a
name
for
this
initiative,
bring
your
end
user.
Is
I
kind
of
like
that,
one
better
than
what
we've
come
up
with
so
far,
but
that's
good.
I
yeah,
I
think,
like
probably
if
we
were
to
schedule
every
other
week
in
a
intentional
meeting.
C
Yeah
yeah,
I
I
totally
agree,
let's,
let's
maybe
we'll
start
with
once
a
month,
just
to
keep
things
realistic.
C
I
don't
know
third
something
of
every
month
targets
or
whatever,
whatever
I
don't
something
like
that.
So.
A
C
A
Yeah
I
mean
I
guess
it
could
be,
you
know
partially
dependent
on
the
other
person
or
the
the
people
coming,
but
it's
helpful
to
tell
people
like
we're
thinking
this
time.
I'm
curious,
if
like
right
after
this,
would
work
for
people
like
11
to
12
on
thursdays.
It's
just
kind
of
like
a
starting
point.
A
It
would
the
I
will
say
that
the
open
telemetry
like
flight
path
in
the
like
european
friendly
time
is
like
getting
pretty
full
yeah,
but
you
know,
if
we're
doing
it
only.
C
B
Okay,
great
11,
12,
yes,
okay,
is
there
anything
else
that
we
want
to
talk
about
for
this,
bring
your
own
hotel,
end
user
topic.
F
C
I
think
we
could,
I
mean
sort
of
the
spirit
is
just
trying
to
just
like
not
delay
or
whatever.
So
I
would
say
mid
april.
I
don't
know
it
seems
yeah
yeah.
C
A
Move
things
along,
but
whatever
we
can
also
schedule
some
of
this
at
cubecon
now
that
I
think
that
we
have
this
like
room
available,
we.
D
A
F
Come
back
with
us
there
yep
yep,
would
that
be
something
that
could
be
also
factored
in
people
who
are.
D
D
Yeah
they
said
they
told
me
they
don't
have
any
official
setup
for
that,
but
I
don't
know
why
we
couldn't
just
plug
a
laptop
into
the
presentation
system
and
use
the
camera
for
sure.
B
Be
great
thanks,
morgan
all
right
next
topic,
paul.
F
All
right,
it
should
be
quick,
ollyfest
is
happening
again
and
as
much
as
I
love
the
core
contributors
and
the
maintainers.
F
It's
so
not
just
the
core
contributors
and
maintainers
for
the
first
time
in
a
long
time,
there's
people
from
all
sorts
of
places,
speaking
and
participating
so
for
this
group
shara,
is
also
one
of
the
organizers.
Of
that
I
have
to
send
out
meeting
invites.
F
Don't
I
but
the
the
point
is
shar
brought
the
idea
of
the
end
user
working
group
earlier
this
year
and
we
just
haven't
really
figured
out
how
to
how,
if
there's
use
for
some
of
the
eyes,
ears
and
goodwill
from
the
people
who
attend
alifest,
to
contribute
in
a
meaningful
way
to
some
of
the
stuff
that,
like
austin
and
I
talked
about
a
couple
weeks
ago,
related
to
like
how
do
we
figure
out
this
sort
of
hotel
in
a
box
workshop
type
thing
you
know,
or
are
there
tutorials
or
let's,
let's
just
swarm
for
a
little
while,
let's
figure
out
how
to
take
the
crowd,
swarm
and
put
it
to
good
use
and
not
just
like
use
people?
F
Certainly,
yes,
there
is
that
part,
but
also
to
to
make
them
feel
like
holy
crap.
This
is
engaged
and
it
is
a
community
and
I
that's.
The
whole
point
of
the
conference
is
is
to
bring
people
to
understand.
This
is
a
community
thing.
It's
not
just
like
you
know,
tech,
so
the
the
question
would
be.
Could
this
group
consider
being
available
for
a
specific
workshop
time
on
may
10th,
it's
a
geographically
appropriate
time
for
both
europe
and
for
the
pacific
time
frame
and
that's
12
p.m.
F
It's
it's
a
little
bit
on
the
9
a.m
for
pacific
time,
but
you've
got
three
hours.
I
I'd
be
more
than
happy
to
give
you
three
hours
there,
because
the
rest
of
the
days
have
a
workshop
at
that
time
from
vendors
and
elastic,
of
course,
had
to
kind
of
say.
F
Could
we
do
this
because
my
australian
guy
needs
to
do
it
at
a
different
time
and
I'm
like
all
right,
special
snowflake,
okay,
fine,
that's
fine,
but
that
leaves
a
nice
open
gap
for
exactly
this
kind
of
thing
in
the
second
day
of
the
conference.
So
so
that's
that's
about
as
much
as
I
thought
it
through.
It's
not
like
I'm
not
coming
here,
pitching
something
other
than
there's
space.
There's
eyeballs
hybrid!
F
No,
it's
it's
still
virtual.
I
had
to
pull
that
trigger.
You
know.
In
december,
when
omicron
was
like
freaking
everybody
out
so
someday
someday,
we
will
be
a
hybrid
slash,
physical
event,
but
it's
all
virtual.
So.
E
A
Be
there
so
I'm
happy
to
help,
and
I
mean
there's
like.
A
I
I
literally
don't
know
how
to
accomplish
that.
Virtually.
F
Yes,
yes,
it's
it's
much
different
than
like
in-person
stuff
yeah,
but
the
good
thing
is:
I'm
not
I'm
just
saying
it
used
to
be
workshop
time
now,
it's
whatever
we
want
to
make
it
birds
of
a
feather.
I
wouldn't
go
so
far
as
to
say
open
spaces,
because
that
infers
a
lot
of
stuff,
but
so
long
as
there's
a
couple
of
topics.
F
People
can
self-select
into
kind
of
like
the
birds
of
feather
flag
and
that's
really
what
I'm
asking
about
is
other
than
this
good
idea
about
the
in
a
box
hotel
workshop
in
a
box
that
that
austin
was
talking
about
a
little
while
ago.
Are
there
other
things
about
the
end
user
working
group?
Are
there
nice
tangible
targets,
like
you
know,
tutorials?
F
Like
as
a
group
could
be
it,
it
also
helps
to
get
a
sense
for
what
they
are
and
kind
of
coordinate
before
we
just
start
doing
things,
but
yeah
I
mean
if,
if
the
first
part
is
the
coordination,
and
we
want
to
utilize
the
last
half
hour
as
okay,
so
you
signed
up
for
this
hey
there's
an
hour
here,
do
what
you
can
do,
let's
get
as
far
as
you
can
and
then
and
then
send
us
back
in
an
appropriate
way.
This
is
how
far
it
got.
E
To
add
some
color
to
this,
I
I
I'm
not
entirely
confident
that
the
problem
is
that
people
don't
have
time
to
do
this
over
the
past
years.
I've
become
convinced.
The
problem
is
that
it's,
a
very
large
project
is
the
actual
problem
and
it's
a
very
complex
project,
and
it
requires
a
lot
of
dedicated
focus
time
and
a
really
strong
vision.
E
F
E
E
E
Thinking
about
this
and
trying
to
figure
out
like
when
I
was
writing
the
distributed
tracing
book
right
like
this
is
actually
you
know
it's
hard
to
create
a
really
good
general
purpose
tutorial,
it's
even
harder
for
open
telemetry,
given
the
amount
of
things
in
flight,
because
it
requires
both
a
lot
of
very
active
foresight
into
not
painting
yourself
into
a
corner
and
a
lot
of
like
care
in
how
you
you
know,
and
what
you
assume,
even
what
you
assume
people
have
in
terms
of
like
where
they're
starting
or
what
resources
they
have
right
like
there's
the
classic.
E
E
If
it
was,
you
know,
and
the
thing
in
the
flip
side
is,
as
you
know,
it's
like,
if
it's
easy
people
have
done
it
well,
they
have
done
it
right
like
I
can
go
online
and
I
can
like
pop
open
telemetry
tutorial
on
my
browser,
and
I
get
you
know.
12
different
things
like
doing
this
in
situ
is
is
easy.
Doing
it
like
in
the
big
good
way,
is
hard
you're.
F
Yep
yeah,
and
what
you're
talking
about
is
lots
of
different.
Let's
say,
vendors
have
their
own
way
of
teaching
the
out
of
a
box
kind
of
in
a
box
kind
of
situation.
There
are
probably
commonalities
that
need
to
first
get
identified,
and
then
the
second
part
is
actually
kind
of
bringing
that
back
up
into
a
more
providence
situation
over
on
the
open
telemetry.
I
o
kind
of
thing
is
that.
E
That's
yeah,
I
think,
that's
kind
of
a
that's
part
of
it.
Honestly,
I
don't
really
want
to
out
of
respect
for
the
time
everyone's
time
I
don't
want
to
like
really
get
into
the
weeds.
B
A
Yeah
yeah,
I
would
suggest
for
for
the
conference,
something
like
someone
walking
through
a
tutorial
on
videos.
Essentially
like
someone
can
walk
through
setting
up
open
telemetry
in
different
scenarios.
They
can
walk
through,
like
the
collector
and
like
cool
things.
A
Doing
that
kind
of
thing,
with
the
virtual
open
telemetry
community
day
that
that
we
ran
in
the
past
so
like
something
like
that
would
be
feasible
and
have
have
a
low
risk
of
like,
like
shenanigans
happening.
Basically.
F
Cool
I
like
the
unconference
thing
it
doesn't
have
to
be
for
the
whole
three
hours-
yeah,
cool,
okay,
I'll,
all-
not
just
mentally
but
I'll
like
start
to
make
space
for
that
on
that
day,
even
without
commitment
and
then
we'll
figure
out
what
we
can
do
and
how
people
want
to
get
involved.
B
Thanks
paul
is,
there
was
one
other
line
item,
I'm
not
sure
if
we
got
to
promote
longtail
of
the
bring
your
own
hotel,
end
user.
Is
that
just.
B
Thank
you
all
right
with
our
five
minutes
left
so
finalizing
the
quarterly
feedback
survey.
I
added
a
couple
of
questions:
there's
a
link
to
it
in
our
agenda
doc
and
wanted
to
get
your
feedback
on
this.
I
felt
so.
B
Basically,
I
had
that
like
strategy
doc-
and
I
realized
it-
was
going
to
get
really
unwieldy
if
we
stuck
every
strategy
in
the
strategy
doc,
so
I'm
breaking
them
out
into
their
own
docs
with
links
back
to
the
strategy
doc,
and
so
the
first
question
is:
is
there
any
additional
demographic
data
that
we
want
to
gather,
and
so
for
those
of
you
who
haven't
been
in
some
of
these
conversations
lately,
the
intent
here
is
that
this
would
be
a
re
like
essentially
a
survey
that
is
open
for
three
months
at
a
time
and
just
encourage
everybody
to
fill
this
out
four
times
a
year
if
you
will,
as
their
open
telemetry
journey
continues,
and
so
the
first
questions
are
in
demographic,
and
so
your
the
your
role
question
is
really
around
are:
are
they
like
an
end
user.
B
Author,
I
think
that
would
be
useful
to
interpret
the
data
results,
but
I
don't
know
yeah.
Does
anyone
have
thoughts
on
the
two
levels,
those
two
demographic
questions
or
if
there
are
additional
demographic
questions
that
we
may
want
to
ask.
E
The
one
thing
that
I
would
wonder,
or
maybe
just
like
to
scope
it
if
we
should
specify
like
level
of
experience
with
like
software
engineering
in
general
versus
like
observability
engineering
or
like
telemetry
right
like
I'm,
not
sure
if
that
would
be
a
useful
discriminator.
Just
maybe
would
be
a
third
question
like
full
experience.
General
level
experience,
open,
telemetry
or
observability.
C
Yeah,
the
other
thing
I
would
emphasize
is
that
for
open,
telemetry
end
users,
I
would
expect
they
broadly
fall
into
two
camps,
which
we
could
delineate
here.
One
are
people
who
work
on
observability
or
at
least
platform
concerns,
full-time
and
others
who
are
just
trying
to
check
a
box
to
like
launch
their
service
or
whatever
or
get
this,
and
that
there's
totally
totally
different
needs,
and
I
think
that
most
people
who
are
going
deep
on
open,
inflammatory
are
in
the
first
camp,
but
most
people
who
are
actually
the.
C
D
C
A
E
Yeah,
I
can
see
like
would
platform
engineer,
observability
engineer.
C
I
would
almost
want
to
be,
I
don't
know
I
mean
I
don't
need
to
be
nitpicky,
but
I
just
want
to
be
like
really
explicit
about
this
like
like,
because
titles
can
be
so
confusing
right
like
there
can
also
be
sres
who
who
again?
This
is
just
attacks
for
them
and
it's
not
like
what
they
think
about,
but
it's
more
like.
What
are
you
trying
to
say
like?
C
Are
you
like?
Are
you
more
on
the
side
of
like
developing
or
operating
or
srv
or
whatever
like
actual
services,
or
are
you
more
on
the
side
of
like
like
building
out
platform
capabilities
across
the
organization
like
and
just
I
just
don't
want
to
be
a
title.
You
know
because
title,
I
think,
is
ambiguous.
C
E
Maybe
a
better
way
to
say
what
I'm,
because
maybe
a
better
way
to
say
what
I'm
getting
at.
It
feels
like
there's
a
third
thing
here,
which
is
like
I'm
building
like
I'm,
not
an
astronaut.
I
don't
have
a
platform
concern,
but
I'm
providing
hotel
as
a
service
to
those
visitors
right
like
I'm,
I'm
an
open
source
maintainer
and
I'm
integrating
open
telemetry
into
the
product
that
I
that
I
build.
E
A
Yeah,
maybe
part
of
it
is,
is
figuring
out
what
we
want
in
the
role
drop
down
and
I
think
ben
the
thing
you're
asking
for
is
sort
of
like
a
question.
That's
like
do
you
think
about
observability
ever
like
how
frequently
do
you
think
about
observability
or
have
to
deal
with
it
or
something
phrase?
Something
like
that
where
it's
like
every
day
once
a
week
once
a
quarter
like
like?
How
often
are
you
dealing
with
this
stuff.
B
Okay,
excellent,
so
I
realize
we're
here
at
time
folks
have
to
drop,
I'm
just
gonna
highlight
the
ones
I
add
and
we
can
follow
up
in
slack
asynchronously.