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A
C
A
Yeah
we've
I
am
based
in
Vancouver
Washington,
so
Portland.
D
D
C
C
Myself
to
consider
I
guess.
Excuse
me
as
well.
A
D
A
Yeah
so
I've
been
working
with
the
end
user
working
group
for
about
the
past
year
so
and
some
of
the
things
we
do
are
pretty
much
geared
toward
end
users.
So
what
have
we've
been
doing?
Okay,
we
have
the
monthly
end
user
discussion
groups
which
are
vendor
neutral
space
for
end
users
to
get
together
and
discuss
like
their
challenges
and
questions
they
might
have.
A
We
started
bringing
in
a
maintainer
or
GC
member
governance
committee
to
help
like
provide
additional
insight
and
answer
some
questions
that
myself
or
another
co-host
might
not
necessarily
be
aware
of.
So
that's
been
like
Super
Rad.
A
We
had
Ted
Young
on
the
last
couple
ones
and
jurassi,
which
I
think
Cedar
Key
probably
worked
with
he's
volunteered
to
join
a
couple
as
well
in
the
future.
So
that's
pretty
rad.
We
have
the
energy
discussion
groups
are.
We
have
now
for
all
regions,
the
Asia
Pacific
region,
one
is
starting
this
month
so
that
one's
brand
new
we
have
it
for
the
Europe
region
as
well
as
the
American
region.
A
We
also
have
the
a
quarterly
Community
survey,
although
with
like
the
holidays
and
everything
like
I,
don't
think
anyone
was
pushing
that
the
last
quarter.
So
that's
probably
something
actually.
C
A
A
bunch
of
us
in
the
working
group
also
helped
organize
a
community
event
called
Hotel
unplug
day.
That
might
be
something
you
have
heard
of
casting
or
maybe
seen
us
promote
on
in
cncs
slack.
We
did
that
as
part
of
kubecon
North
America
last
October
and
that
seemed
to
go
pretty
well.
A
So
we
are,
some
of
the
organizers
of
the
event
are
trying
to
get
like
a
official.
A
more
official
Community
today
put
together,
but
trying
to
not
the
problem
is
having
it
affiliated
with
kubecon
means,
like
everyone
who
wants
to
come
to
the
event,
has
to
pay
for
the
kubecon
ticket,
which
is
obviously
yeah
most
prohibitive
for
a
lot
of
people.
So
we're
trying
to
figure
that
out.
A
A
So
these
are
more
formalized
way
of
getting
feedback
from
an
end
user.
A
In
the
past,
you've
had
Shopify
the
last
one
we
did
was
Medallia
I
forget
what
they
do,
but
in
these
sessions
we
basically
try
to
learn
more
about
their
open,
till
Elementary
adoption
and
implementation
Journeys,
like
what
their
pain
points
and
challenges
were
and
get
the
feedback
to
the
relevant
maintainers.
So
basically,
this
working
group
we're
trying
to
our
overall
our
overarching
goal-
is
to
increase
awareness
and
Adoption
of
Hope
Optometry,
as
well
as
create
a
feedback
loop
to
back
to
the
maintainers,
to
help
develop
and
Advance
the
project.
A
A
Yeah,
so
just
to
kind
of
give
you
all
like
an
overview
of
what
we've
been
doing,
slash
what
we
would
like
to
do.
A
Yeah
yeah
I
was
hoping,
Ted
was
gonna
hop
on
he
had.
He
was
talking
about
working
on
a
project
management
process
for
the
spec
cigs,
so
that
as
we
get
feedback
from
the
community,
it
helps
prioritize
the
spec.
A
Working
list
so
I'm
not
sure
where
all
that's
not
yet
I
think
people
are
still
I'm
still
a
little
bit
coming
out
over
the
holidays.
Still
so
yeah.
B
Bro
I'm
in
Germany,
okay,.
B
A
A
E
A
Like
what
the
end
user
working
group
like
what
our
overarching
goal
is
and
kind
of
what
we've
done
last
year
and
what
we
would
like
to
do
this
year.
E
A
But
yeah
I
think
you
know
myself
included
I.
Think
a
lot
of
people
are
still
coming
out
of
that
holiday.
B
I
think
so
one
of
the
questions
that
you
asked
was
what
is
what
is
my
intention
of
of
joining
the
the
working
group
and
it's
firstly,
learning
what
the
what
the
working
group
does.
Nothing.
Can
you
explain?
He
explained
it
very
well.
So
thanks
a
lot
for
the
for
the
insights
here,
I
would
I
would
be
interested
to
learn.
B
A
That
is
one
area
we
are
looking
to
improve,
so
we've
got
feedback.
We
get
feedback
from
a
few
different
Avenues
I
mentioned
the
quarterly
Community
survey,
which
I
also
mentioned
that
none
of
us
really
got
around
to
promoting
last
quarter.
There
was
just
a
lot
going
on
with
the
hotel
unplug
day
and
then
the
holidays,
so
Community
survey
we've
got
the
end
user
interview,
slash
feedback
sessions
as
well
as
the
end
user
discussion
groups.
A
I
can
show
you
where
we
keep
the
notes,
but
the
process
of
getting
it
to
the
maintainers
for
a
while.
We
were,
we
decided
to
summarize
the
notes
and
then
share
them
at
the
maintainer
at
one
of
the
maintainer
meetings
once
a
month.
A
Okay,
if
you
have
ideas
for
how
we
can
improve
that
process.
I
am
all
ears.
Let
me
find
let's
see-
and
these
are
Discussion
Group
notes,
so
you
can
kind
of
get
an
idea
of.
A
A
Emea
region
notes
they
only
start
taking
notes
at
last
month's
session.
So
that's
why
there's
only
one
session
on
there.
C
A
And
the
idea
with
the
survey
is
keeping
the
questions
consistent
and
getting
like
a
cumulative
view
over
time.
But
if
there's
questions
you
know
that
we
want
to
add
or
other
things
that
we
want
to
find
out.
We
definitely
want
to
add
them
into
the
survey.
So
if
you
have
ideas
or
suggestions,
definitely
let
us
know
is
there
anything
I'm
missing
Ben
that
you
can
think
of.
F
A
A
F
C
F
A
Brynn
has
I,
don't
think
he
has,
but
have
you
heard
any
updates
on
the
Community
Day
stuff
that
we
kind
of.
E
C
C
C
C
A
Oh
another
thing
we
were
thinking
of
doing
and
I'm
not
sure
what
the
climate
is
in
the
Europe
region
like
how
people
are
feeling
about
meetups
and
like
in-person
things
is:
are
people
generally
like
comfortable
getting
together
in
Personnel
or.
B
Yeah
so
I
I
think
so
absolutely
I.
Think
at
this
point
it's
largely
promoted
that
everyone
cares
about
their
own
safety,
and
so
you
take
measures
if
you
want
to,
but
meetups
are
generally
reinstantiated.
E
E
We'd
usually
do
this.
I
was
on
a
one-to-one
with
somebody
who
was
talking
to
him
the
other
day,
and
maybe
he's
figured
out
that
the
people
in
the
Box
pay
attention
to
him
when
they
look
at
screens.
C
A
Matthew
was
there
I
know
I
know
he
mentions.
You
know
you
just
kind
of
want
to
check
things
out.
I
wanted
to
see
if
there
was
anything
specific
around
like
end
users
or
anything
that
you
wanted
to
find
out
about,
in
particular
about
the
group
yeah.
D
No
I
just
want
to
meet
people
in
the
community.
I
know
I
have
like
my
my
pet
sort
of
things
that
I'd
like
to
learn
more
about,
but
you
know
I'd
hate
to
hijack
anything
for
my
own
personal
agenda.
D
Quite
yet,
but
things
that
I'd
like
to
meet
people
and
get
to
know
more
about
in
the
places
to
go
for
resources
are,
for
example,
I
have
a
personal
interest
from
like
I
would
say
very
much
an
end
user
perspective
or
solving
problems
for
end
users
of
like
what
are
good
ways
for
users
to
become
acquainted
with.
D
You
know
developing
their
own
receivers
or
processors
or
outputs.
You
know
things
like
that,
like
these
sort
of
bite-sized
things
that
you
might
want
to
do
as
a
user,
but
not
necessarily
try
and
fully
immerse
yourself
as
a
court
of
helper.
You
know
what
I
mean:
that's
that's
a
personal
itch
I'd
like
to
to
scratch
and
learn
more
about
that.
D
Know
everybody
shows
up
with
bespoke
X,
Y
and
Z
thing.
How
do
I
get
this
in
and
it's
nice
to
to
know
where
to
guide
people.
A
D
A
I
think
it's
valid
because
I
have
heard
similar
questions
from
other
end
users,
and
you
know,
I
knew
about
like
I
know
we
have
and
I'm
sure
it's
the
same
for,
like
other
organizations,
we
do
have
customers
that
are
that
are
and
have
built
their
like
own
custom
receivers
exporters,
and
you
know
one
we
were
actually
talking
to
one
of
our
customers
yesterday
and
one
of
the
suggestions
from
our
open
Telemetry
team
was
oh,
my
gosh
I
have
to
go
back
and
look
at
my
notes
to
see
exactly
like
the
specific
thing,
but
the
suggestion
I
think
typically
is
to
see
if
something
similar
is
really
being
discussed.
A
So
if
there's
possibility
of
it
being,
you
know
added
into
like
the
specsig
or
something
that
could
be
revived,
that
was
people
who
discussed
but
not
added.
That
is
one
way
to
start,
instead
of
just
if
they
don't
want.
You
know
to
take
on
the
work
of
building
a
custom
thing
which
I
know
some
people
don't
mind
doing
and
other
people
would
prefer
not
to.
D
A
D
That's
an
interesting
topic,
too
is:
do
you
have
information
or
like
visibility,
maybe
through
surveys
or
whatever
of
our
customers,
typically
using
like
a
vendor
distribution,
or
are
they
like
building
their
own
or
like?
Do
you
have
data
on
that?
Because
a
lot
of
times
people
want
to
know
what
other
people
are
doing
to
be
comfortable
with
certain
approaches?
You
know
it
I.
F
E
Add
that
to
the
end
user
survey
certainly
like
are
people
using
vendor
distributions
at
the
same
time,
I
think
the
we're
trying
to
discourage
certain
kinds
of
vendor
distributions,
because
If
you're
sort
of
too
far
from
open
Telemetry.
Then
we
might
as
well
not
have
a
standard.
D
A
D
A
Of
defeats
the
purpose,
so
you
know
I,
think
vendors
I
mean
you
know
like
include
it
are
still
figuring
out
figuring,
that
out.
B
So
anecdote
points
for
my
side
here.
B
I
think
that
I
I
recurringly,
see
when,
when
talking
to
customers
about
open
Telemetry,
is
that
they
really
do
not
want
to
use
vendor
provided
artifacts
they
like,
if
they,
if
they
buy
into
openflammatory,
they
usually
want
to
stay
as
when
unusual
as
possible,
right
and
as
soon
as
as
as
you
propose
as
a
vendor
like
a
custom,
build
of
something,
even
even
if
it
looks
the
same,
it
smells
the
same.
B
It's
it's
still
considered
like
a
non-vendo,
neutral
artifact,
which
is
kind
of
true,
and
if
you
look
at,
for
example,
platform
specific
parts
for
AWS,
you
will
see
the
the
the
ultra
distribution
that
they
built
built
into
their
platform.
So
people
are
implicitly
using
these
these
vendor-specific
distributions,
but
if
they
can
choose
they,
they
shy
away
from
it.
It's
my
my
personal
experience,
that's
not
backed
by
data,
so
I
would
really
like
to
see
data
on
it.
A
Yeah,
yes,
I,
think
yeah
I
agree
that
that
would
be
I
think
good
to
find
out.
So
if
you
want
to
oh
I,
just
have
a.
D
Yeah,
but
those
are
like
examples
of
topics
that
I
find
like
personally
things
that
I,
you
know
love
to
meet
people
to
talk
about
and
brainstorm
on.
You
know
like
yeah
I
work
at
Splunk,
so
we
have
our
own
distribution
and,
like
there
are
things
that
I
want
to
enable
in
our
distribution
that
I
have
to
go,
and
you
know
rebuild
it
with
the
you
know,
different
receivers
enabled
and
things
like
that
and
I
I'm
sort
of
like
curious,
how
far
off
the
beaten
path.
That
really
is
and
like
do
we
do.
A
No
I
think
that
that's
an
interesting
discussion
for
sure
and
one
of
our
hopes
put
the
end
user
discussion
group
is,
you
know,
for
people
to
come
together
and
discuss
what
they
are
doing
and
put
the
end
user
interview,
slash
feedback
sessions.
A
There's
another
work
in
progress
to
turn
those
into
profiles
on
the
blog,
so
that
they're,
more
discoverable
and
people
can
learn
about
hey.
What
are
these
organizations
doing
because
I
anecdotally,
what
I've
come
across
is
the
more
advanced
users
usually
have
custom
receivers
and,
like
other
custom
components
that
they
built
yeah
and
those
people
are
generally
not
interested
in
a
vendor-specific
distro.
A
But
you
know
I'm
sure,
there's
people
who
are
I
just
haven't
met
a
lot
of
those
people,
I'm
not
sure
they're
out
there.
A
A
That's
okay!
It's
only
the
fifth
day
of
the
new
year,
true,
but
yeah
I
think
we
should
review
it
the
survey
as
a
group
and
talk
about
what
we
I
want
to
add
and
how
to
word
it.
A
D
Yeah,
maybe
have
you
ever
built
a
Custom,
Distribution
I
think
that's
kind
of
interesting
to
see.
If
end
users
are
doing
that
or
customized
an
existing
distribution.
D
I
think
it's
just
kind
of
like
to
tease
out
like
is:
are
people
using
the
pre?
You
know
which,
like
obviously
I,
want
to
avoid
saying
which
vendor
distribution?
Are
you
using
right,
like
I,
don't
need
to
necessarily
know
that,
but
are
you
using
a
vendor
distribution
or
are
you
using
the
you
know
the
bog
standard,
open,
Telemetry
distribution
and
then
the
other
one
is
have
you
ever
had
to
customize.
B
I
wonder
if
that
limits
the
the
the
answers
to
a
very
specific
type
of
of
of
person.
B
So
basically,
how
I
understood
you
met
here
is.
You
would
also
be
interested
if
people
are
customizing
the
the
existing
distributions
in
their
in
their
project.
So
you
cannot
you
you,
can
you
can
like
build
a
custom
architect
and
distribute
it
on
your
own,
or
you
can
just
you
know,
import
an
instrumentation
library
and
add
a
custom
processor.
For
example,
that's
hosted
inside
your
application
code.
Is
that
also
something
that
that
sends
code
for
you
or
are
you
more
interested
in
like
collector
extensions?
Oh.
A
A
But
again
you
know
we
we
are
facing
the
question
of.
Are
you
going
to
be
donating?
You
know
some
of
the
stuff
Upstream
that
is
a
little
bit
more
custom
or
Not
Included.
D
C
D
So
like
this
is
your
first
thing
you
hit
as
a
user.
Well,
I
mean
you
know
it's
like
well.
Do
I
do
I
become
a
you
know,
a
purist
and
figure
out
how
to
do
all
this
with
the
native
approach
or
whatever,
like
you,
know,
non-vendor
related
one
or
do
I
just
move
forward
with
the
vendor
approach.
A
At
least
not
publicly
shared
like
how
many
people
are
using
of
all
their
users
who
are
using
a
photometry,
how
many
what's
the
percentage
using
their
distro.
D
Yeah,
probably
not
but
I
mean
like
I've,
just
seen
in
general
in
people
do
show
just
I'm
an
Essie,
so
people
do
ask
questions
like
oh,
how
do
I
I'm
building
my
own
and
I
hit
this
problem,
and
how
do
you
do
it
in
your
distribution?
So
I
can
do
it
as
I
try
and
rectify
the
issue
on
the
build.
My
own
approach
or
whatever
right
I
mean
it
can
be
just.
D
It
it
can
be
things
that,
like
the
installation,
scripts
of
the
of
the
vendor
distribution,
like
are
doing
like
setting
capabilities,
you
know
so
that,
like
the
the
host
receiver,
can
see
the
full
process
list,
you
know
like
little
nuances
that
have
to
be,
like
said,
not
necessarily
that
are
a
feature
of
the
agent
itself,
but
things
you
have
to
do
in
the
installer
packaging
step
and
things
like
that
to
Grant
like
operating
system
permissions-
and
you
know
things
like
that.
I
mean
reasons
that
going
your
own
become
complicated.
D
A
Yeah
I
I
think
we
were
also
seeing
a
lot
of
especially
well.
Actually,
that
might
not
even
be
true
just
in
general,
like
a
lot
of
end
users,
not
really
knowing
where
to
go
or
that
they
even
could
go
to
the
community.
A
You
know
as
a
vendor.
We
get
a
lot
of
tickets
and
questions
around
the
project
and
we're
like
well.
The
best
way
is
to
just
open
an
issue
directly
in
the
in
the
project
repo.
This
is
the
you
know,
relevant
project
repo,
like
obviously
we'll
help
with
what
we
can,
but
you
know
to
a
degree
they
have
a
better
or
it's
more
effective
to
just
open
an
issue
directly
with
the
project
itself.
A
So
that's
a
gap
that
we
would
like
to
address
and
we
have
some
resources.
But
then
you
know
it's.
Okay.
Are
people
aware
of
these
resources.
A
But
yeah,
no,
these
are
interesting
questions
and.
A
A
D
A
F
D
As
the
scope
of
hotel
has
broadened,
I
think
it's
good
to
get
a
pulse
on
that
right.
C
A
D
A
Yeah,
anecdotally,
I
I,
don't
know
a
lot
of
organizations
that
are
using
it
without
tracing
I.
Do
see
a
few
on
here,
though,
but
they're
from
early
in
the
survey
when
we
started
a
song,
it
might
have
changed.
D
D
C
B
E
E
D
E
D
D
B
E
Not
be
very
energetic
this
morning,
it's
pouring
here,
it's
an
atmospheric
River
and.
E
F
D
Were
flooded
our
street,
but
luckily
nothing
that
didn't
happen
again.
I
think
the
city
took
care
of
a
lot
of
the
back
pressure
that
I'm
sure
had
accumulated
over
over
time,
but
yeah
where,
where
are
you.
E
I'm
in
Oakland
we're
lucky
to
be
like
high
up
enough
that
it's
not
going
to
flood
there's
some
places
where
Lake
Merritt
has
overflowed
its
banks
a
little
but
mostly
it's
pretty
well
blocked
off,
and
the
sea
wallet.
Jack,
London
I
think
there's
been
some
flooding
in
the
air
in
Alameda,
obviously,
and
in
the
area
down
by
the
Coliseum,
where
it's
just
so
much
flatter
and
kind
of
part
of
the
water.
But
yeah.
D
I
used
to
live
in
Alameda
a
long
time
ago,
and
you
know
that
has
a
little
tiny,
Alameda
Beach
thing.
I
could
see
that
definitely
taking
a
beating
I,
don't
know
why
we
call
it
a
beach,
but
you
know
like
a
shore,
my
boss
lives.
E
E
D
Yeah,
it's
all
landfill
over
there
too,
so
it's
at
least
I'm,
pretty
sure
it
is
I
know,
there's
an
island
next
to
it.
That
is
for
sure
landfill
I
can't
remember
the
name
of
it.
D
C
D
Landfill
to
build
it
up,
so
all
the
streets
after
Townsend
are
kind
of
like
add-ons.
E
D
It's
in
oh
well!
This
is
kind
of
interesting
there's,
a
there's,
a
guy
who
runs
a
a
nightclub,
TnA
Lounge
yeah.
D
Archeology
of
San
Francisco
and
the
sewer
systems
there
and,
like
you
know
like
pretty
interesting
and
of
course,
it's
filled
with
his
own
special
sense
of
a
snark
yeah.
D
Well,
this
is
a
giant
Long
blog
post
of
San
Francisco
1906
to
1998.