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A
B
I'm
not
sure
who
else
is
gonna
show
up
today.
I
know
patrice
won't
make
it
because
he
already
reached
out
to
me
so
yeah.
I
guess
we'll
get
started.
A
Yeah,
I
I
saw
it
from
from
the
meeting
notes
so
yeah.
I
I
wanted
to
to
to
come
to
this
meeting
once
again,
so
I
think
we
we
had
some
chats
like
more
than
a
yoga
or
something
like
that.
B
A
What
I
was
looking
into
is
building
the
documentation
for
the
javascript
group
and
we
recently
had
a
lot
of
discussions
around
okay,
what
to
do
with
example,
applications
and
sample
apps,
and
I
saw
that
there
were
some
discussions.
Also
on
on
that
level,
like
I
saw
that
jonah
said
something
around
hey
donating
an
application
and
also,
I
think
there
were
some
discussions
on
getting
started,
documentations
and-
and
we
had
so
I
and
and
one
or
two
other
people
had
some
discussions
on
like
okay.
A
Is
there
some
some
overall
idea
how
to
tackle
that
these
days
or
what?
What
would
make
sense?
Also
from
from
our
perspective,
to
to
tackle
that?
So
would
it
make
more
sense
to
do
it
in
the
javascript
community
and
then
put
it
together
from
there
or
would
it
make
sense
to
have
one
big
polyglot
example,
environment,
so
yeah.
A
B
B
To
the
site
to
get
to
to
clean,
to
kind
of
get
the
site
in
a
good
place,
from
like
a
build
and
and
for
perspective,
because
there's
a
lot
of
been
a
lot
of
deferred
maintenance
on
that
and
then
once
that's
done
or
as
that
is
completing,
then
we'll
be
in
a
better
spot.
To
do.
Some
of
these
updates
my
kind
of
two
sense
about
specifically
sample
applications
and
things
like
that.
B
B
B
Like
the
js
maintainers
say
here
is
our
official
blessed
sample
application
and
we're
going
to
make
sure
this
stays
up
to
date
and
it
is
versioned
and
it's
you
know
it's
getting
patches
as
the
upstream
hotel
libraries
get
patches
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
Then
that
feels
like
stuff
that
should
live
in
the
sig
repo.
B
Okay
right,
if
it's
stuff
that
it's
not
like
the
you
don't
want
to
you
know
the
the
upstream
project
doesn't
officially
want
to
say
like
we're
going
to
be
responsible
for
the
care
and
feeding,
then
I'm
less,
then
it
kind
of
can
go
wherever
I
think
I
the
like
it
could
be
in
someone's
personal
github.
What.
A
B
Say
is,
I
think
the
important
thing
is
that-
and
this
is
where
we're
going
to
come
in
with
the
the
information
arc
to
the
ia
assessment-
is
how
do
we
communicate
that
stuff
to
people
right
to
so
someone
comes
in,
they
say.
Oh
that's
my
first
time
I
I'm
I'm
a
javascript
dev
or
a
node
dev,
and
I
want
to
get
into
hotel.
B
B
A
A
Yeah
yeah,
so
so
so
the
the
thing
is
we.
We
have
a
bunch
of
examples
right
now
in
the
javascript
community
and
the
thing
is
like,
as
you
said,
like
hey,
someone
needs
to
maintain
them
and
not
all
of
them
are
up
to
date.
Many
of
them
are
very
specific
to
one
instrumentation
like
hey.
This
is
for
the
mysql
instrumentation,
where
we
say
like
hey
this
thing
shouldn't
live
in
the
examples
this
should
live
with
the
mysql
instrumentation
and
the
person
doing.
The
instrumentation
should
also
maintain
that.
A
But
there
should
also
be
some
kind
of
yeah
example
or
sample
application
that
maybe
has
some
common
logic
where
people
say
like
hey,
they
can
spin
up
a
docker
container
and
just
get
some
some
spans
and
traces
there.
A
Yeah
and
and
of
course,
there
is
already
a
bunch
of
projects
from
from
people
out
there
doing
that
privately
and
then
there's
some
someone
doing
that
and
then
some
some
some
versions
and
go
and
some
in
javascript
and
some
in
whatever
language
you
prefer
and
then
and
the
thing
I
was
wondering
about
like
hey,
is
there?
A
Is
there
any
thought
process,
something
like
hey?
As
you
said
like
not
to
prescribe
what
the
communities
are
doing,
but
maybe
to
see
like
hey,
is
there
maybe
some
some
common
standard?
We
can
use
so,
for
example,
that
it
was
just
an
idea
I
had
to
say
like
hey.
If
every
sick
has
one
sample
application,
that's
more
like
a
microservice
and
they
are
technically
possible
to
stitch
them
together.
A
You
could
build
something
polyglot
and
say,
like
hey,
there's
some
java,
so
because
at
the
end
I
mean
that's
also
something
people
carry
around
too.
If
you
have
something
and
yeah-
and
I
think
I
agree
with
you
like
at
the
end,
the
question
is
like
how
to
balance
like
what
are
the
individual
sticks
are
doing
and
what's
like
and
user
facing,
so
so
that
it's
easy
for
them
to
to
get
started
or
to
have
some
some
consistent
experience
on
that
yeah.
B
B
To
have
the
basically
a
bunch
of
applications,
you
know
basically
like
here.
You
know:
here's
an
application.
That
does
something
very
simple:
it's
a
simple
client
server
thing
right
and
you
could
extend
this
idea
and
say,
like
simple
client
server
database,
you
know
three
tier
yeah
and
it's
all
you
know
it's
like
hey.
Here's
the
go!
One,
hey
here's.
B
A
So
something
like
there
there's
there's
one.
Let
me
see,
I
know
one
that
is
like
doing
exactly
that.
I'm
not
sure
if
you
let
me
put
it
also
into
into
the
document,
so
this
is
like
and
so
what
they
built
here
and
I'm
not
sure
if
you
know
that
yes,.
B
Same
general
idea
yeah,
although
I've
had
midland
success
with
the
real
world
thing,
I
mean
it'd,
be.
B
A
B
This
is
something
actually
that
kind
of
came
up
a
long
time
ago
in
open
tracing
which,
when,
like
three
years
ago,
when
I
started
looking
at
the
daw
working
on
that
site,
we
had
this
kind
of
big
conversation
and
what
came
out
of
it
was
this
like,
not
necessarily
realization,
but
this
idea
that
there's
sort
of
two
different
there's
and
I
guess
in
otel-
there's
kind
of
three
different
big
persona
user
personas,
there's
one
which
is
maybe
the
simplest
one
which
is
like
the
end
user
developer.
That's
trying
to
integrate
hotel
so
they've.
A
B
An
application
and
they
want
to
integrate
hotel
into
they.
They
have
an
application
very
specifically
right,
so
they've
got
their
django
app
or
their
rails
app
or
or
express
or
whatever,
and
they
react
and
they
say
like
okay,
I'm
I'm
integrating
hotel
into
this,
so
that
I
can
get
observability.
That's
one!
That's
and
that's,
I
think,
is
what
most
people's
tutorializing
efforts
have
gone
towards.
B
There's
another
really
big
one,
which
is
the
person
the
I'm
a
author
of
a
library,
and
I
want
to
provide
hotel
as.
A
A
service-
yes,
okay,
I
I'm
still
listening.
I
just
need
to
to
open
your
door,
yeah,
yeah,
okay,
okay,
so
to
to
say,
like
okay,
not
make
like
hey
here's
a
big
example
for
for
everybody,
more
tied
to
it
back
to
a
persona,
and
so
like.
B
I
need
to
instrument
it
for
so
that
people
that
consume
my
product,
android
service
can
use
that
can
get
hotel
data
out
and
the
third
is
actually
the
like
absolute
end
user
of,
like
I'm,
not
the
person
that
instrumented
this
code,
but
I'm
the
person
that,
like
I'm,
collecting
hotel
data
and
I
need
to
visualize.
A
A
A
Exactly
I
think
that
that's
most
mostly
the
persona
I
was
thinking
about
where
you
feel
like
hey,
you
have
a
kubernetes
cluster
and
there's
like
10
applications
running
and
all
of
them
have
open
telemetry
and
now
they
send
their
traces
to
to
my
collector
and
then
and
then
I
I
make
sense
out
of
that:
okay
yeah,
but
okay.
A
That
of
course
make
makes
a
little
bit
more
sense
to
to
say,
like
hey,
I
think
most
of
the
docs
refer
more
to
to
the
first
and
the
second
persona
yeah,
but
also
not
in
a
very
deep
detail
level.
So
it's
still
more
like
very
high
level,
just
so
like
yeah
plug
in
some.
Some
of
these
things
here
maybe
create
some
spans,
maybe
add
some
attributes,
but
but
it's
not
going
really
deep
into
into
that
yeah.
But
this
persona
perspective
that
okay,
it
makes
a
lot
of
sense,
yeah,
yeah,.
B
So
those
are
like
the
big
three
and,
like
you
said
right
now,
we
we
only
ca
the
stuff
that
exists
really
is
only
targeting
those
first
two
most
of
the
sig
stuff,
I
feel
like
is
kind
of
targeting
that
second
one
of
the
person
that
wants
to
either
integrate
with
a
little
bit
of
like
you
want
to
actually
use
it.
A
lot
of
the
other
tutorials
and
such
are
written
for
that
first
group.
So
the
person
that
just
wants.
A
B
I've
heard
of
this,
I
want
to
use
it.
Nothing
really
talks
to
that
third
group
at
all
right
now.
I
think
a
lot
of
this
is
a
factor
of
like
project
maturity
and
like
one,
it's
hard
to
write,
really
durable
documentation,
user
guide,
yeah.
A
Or
something
that
changes
every
month-
that's
probably
true.
I
mean
I
I
was
there
like
updating
a
few
pieces
of
the
javascript
docs
a
few
times
or
someone
else
then
picked
it
up
again
and
again
so
yeah.
That's
probably
one
of
the
reasons
why
this
is
maybe
still
a
little
bit
early
to
to
think
about
that,
so
that
it
could
be
the
case.
Yeah
yeah,.
B
So
I
would
say
in
the
short
term,
I
think
it's
fine
to
kind
of
put
tutorial.
You
know
for
people
to
explore
stuff
right
to
people
to.
A
B
I'm
going
to
create
I'm
going
to
do
whatever
and
if
we
just
need
to
make
like
a
doc,
a
docs
page.
That's
like
tutorials
that
cover
everything
and
as
long
things
can
go
on
the
site
as
long
as
they're,
not
like
as
long
as
they're,
not
like
specifically
about
a
vendor
product.
B
Know
if
there's
a
sample,
that's
like
hey
here's,
how
you
use
this
prometheus
and
jaeger,
or
just
open
telemetry
protocol
cool.
If
it's
like,
hey
here's,
how
you
use
this
with
like
light
step
or
honeycomb
or
whatever,
specifically
yeah.
A
B
B
Or
let's,
let's,
let's
you
know,
let's
get
every,
let's
say
like
okay,
if
this
is
if
this
style
is
what
everyone
likes
or
if
it's
this
type
of
app
or
whatever
is
the
most
useful
for
these
kind
of
people,
then
let's
expand.
You
know,
let's
say
like
okay:
this
is
the
blessed
one,
and
now
we're
gonna
go
and
we're
gonna
do
a
c
plus
plus
version
of
it
and
a
swift.
A
A
A
This
could
maybe
be
being
sample
app,
for
example,
or
something
like
that
so
because
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
them
floating
out
there,
and
so
it
could
at
least
give
people
the
opportunity
to
say
like
hey.
I
have
something
and
then
it's
maybe
also
a
little
bit
more
findable
in
one
way
or
the
other.
B
I
think
it's
a
good
experiment
and
I
will
actually,
if,
if
you
could,
what
would
be
great
because
I
actually
have
to
go.
Take
my
kid
to
the
doctor
here
in
like
10.
B
B
A
Yeah
yeah,
I
I
can
add
this
and
then
the
next
step
would
add
the
individual
ones
and
say
like.
B
Yep
yeah
makes
sense.
A
B
A
Yeah
yeah,
no,
definitely
because
I
think
that
that's
what's
happening,
that's
there's
open
telemetry
all
over
the
world
and
then
yeah
people,
people
at
least,
can
can
attach
there
and
say
like
hey.
This
is
nothing
official,
but
but
at
least
you
can
find
it
here
or
something
like
that
yeah
I
can
make
that
cool
all
right.
B
Well,
I'm
actually
gonna
need
to
take
off
a
little
early.
Then
because
no
worries,
but
it
sounds
like
we
got,
got
everything.
I
will
note.
A
B
A
A
A
Thing
is,
I
have
to
sit
in
the
evening
hours
and
do
do
some
work,
so
yeah
yeah.