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B
A
Oh,
I'm
I
go
by
brunette
on
the
internet.
B
Yes,
yes,
I
saw
your.
I
saw
one
of
your
requests
yesterday
pleased
to
meet
you
yeah.
B
Yes,
I
am
it's
it's
very
early
in
the
morning
and
here
I.
B
Yeah,
I
felt
bad
I've
seen
the
last
well,
I
couple
of
meetings
come
and
go
and
nobody
had
shown
up
so.
A
A
No,
not
really,
I
think
I've
probably
heard
about
it
earlier
this
year.
Actually
and
then
I
joined
a
new
company
that
was
pretty
we're
pretty
primarily
using
like
new
relic
for
for
things,
but
I
had
like
really
really
wanted
to
try
out
honeycomb
just
a
little
bit
and
when
I
talked
with
some
of
their
reps,
they
were
like.
A
Oh,
we
don't
really
do
php,
but
if
you
like
once
the
open
telemetry
project
is
like
stable
for
that,
we'll
totally
we
just
integrate
with
that
already,
and
I
think
that
was
the
point
where
I
was
like.
Let
me
go
figure
out
what
this
thing
is
so
yeah
yeah
have
a
yourself.
I
think
I
saw
your
message
was
something
like
you
have
like
a
large
like
educational,
like
yeah.
B
B
Single
page,
but
but
they're
all
still
self-contained
self-deployed
things
so
so
we've
just
tried
out
elastic.
We
have
a
pretty
good
set
up
for
the
php.
A
B
Is
good
yeah,
so
just
at
the
moment
it's
just
me,
but.
B
Good
job
of
pushing
I
can
get
some
other
people
excited.
Oh.
A
A
I
think
I
I
still
do
I'm
like
very
green
to
the
language
and
the
ecosystem,
and
everything
like
I
think
it
took
me
a
while
to
just
like,
I
think,
understand
what
like
laravel
and
like
symphony,
were,
I
guess,
like
so
yeah
but
yeah,
I'm
hoping
first
to
hopefully
be
able
to
contribute,
but
also,
hopefully,
pick
up.
Some
pointers.
I
think
I
already
have,
which
is
nice.
B
B
Sure
yeah,
I
I
am
I'm
sort
of
using
this
as
a
learning
opportunity
as.
A
B
Yeah
yeah,
so
we
we
run
well
everything
new
that
we're
creating,
has
been
in
docker
in
containers
and
and
even
newer
than
that
has
been
in
kubernetes.
Oh.
A
B
And
yeah
pretty
much
have
you
done
if
you
have
done
a
lot
with
containers,
everything
seems
to
be
controlled
by
environment
variables
and
it's
been
yeah.
It
does
make
it
pretty
easy
to
set
up
sure.
I
think
I
have
played
with
new
relic
before,
but
certainly
the
the
data
dog
and
elastic
abm.
You
pretty
much
set
all
these
environment
variables
and
it
auto
configures
itself.
A
B
Code,
I'm
not
sure
if
we
would
get
there
with
open
telemetry,
but.
A
I've
seen
like
certain
parts
of
the
code
base
where
it
is
kind
of
like
that,
it's
like
check
this
environment
variable
or
like
a
config
param,
passed
them
so
yeah.
I
feel
like
they'll,
be
really
neat
to
just
like
be
able
to
drop
something
and
then
just
kind
of
configure
it
with
environment
variables.
Instead
of
doing
too
much
like
code
mucking.
B
You
know
instrument
a
whole
application
yet
or
if
it's
still
sort
of
quite
quite
theoretical,
yes,
but
but
that's
the
other,
I'm
sort
of
doing
two
things
at
once.
I've
just
been
freed
up
and
just
for
the
time
being,
no
one.
No
one's
really
noticed
that
I'm
completely
like
I'm
not
attached
to
any
official
projects
or
anything.
B
A
A
Yeah,
I
guess
that's
an
interesting
question
for
bob.
I
think
I
still
have
a
very
like
I'm
learning
like
little
parts
of
the
repo
like
locally,
but
I
don't
have
like
a
kind
of
global
picture
of
what's
going
on
and
I
like,
I
definitely
don't
have
a
picture
of
like
if,
like
the
library
is
getting
released
and
so
yeah,
I
think
it'd
be
that's
very
interesting
question
for
him
to
be
like.
A
B
Does
feel
a
bit
like
anyone
who
wants
to
can
just
come
in
and
make
some
improvements
as
they
see
if
you
provided
that
you've
read
the
spec
at
least
that's
how
I'm
yeah.
I've
spent
a
lot
of
time
reading
the
speak,
and
it's.
B
A
A
A
A
A
B
Okay,
yeah,
no,
I
really
am
yeah,
so
I
mean,
obviously
you
know
zipkin
and
jaeger
and
and
things
like
that
work
you
know
fairly
well.
You
could
instrument
an
application
right
now.
A
B
A
B
A
B
A
B
A
B
A
A
Yeah,
that's
interesting.
I'm
wondering
how
many
places
in
the
code
base
are
currently
like,
because
in
my
pr
I'm
not
even
like
throwing
the
exception
right,
I'm
just
kind
of
like
doing
the
fallback,
and
so
like
yeah.
That
seems
kind
of
like
a
big
effort
to
go
through
and
be
like.
Does
this
line
need
to
be
vlogged?
Does
it
need
to
be
locked?
B
A
A
A
A
That's
gary
wisconsin
is
so
far
but
yeah,
but
in
any
case
yeah
I
don't
actually
have
to
be
wearing
glasses.
Just
that,
like
I,
don't,
have
a
great
place
to
like
put
it
anywhere
on
my
desk
and
I
have
to
wear
it
when
I
take
the
bus
to
and
from
work.
So
it's
just
kind
of
like
I
guess
I'll
leave
it
on
so
yeah.
B
B
B
At
showing
up
to
this
meeting
I
was,
I
think
I
was
actually
25
hours
earlier.
A
B
I
mean
it's
still
used
that
I
know
of
no,
it's
not
a
thriving
community.
It's
it's
still
a
smaller
yeah,
a
smaller
language.
I
feel
like
globe
leads
to
me
very
well
right.
Ever
since
probably
get
in
composer
arrived,
that's
right!.
A
A
Right,
yeah
yeah,
I
can't
even
like
imagine
I
I
kind
of
I
came
into
the
development
world
personally
in
the
like
javascript
ecosystem
and
yeah.
That
was
like
kind
of
after
like
npm
was
a
thing
so
yeah.
I
think
it's
I
didn't.
I
didn't
even
realize
that
php
didn't
have
composer
for
a
long
time,
which
is
like.
A
A
B
B
A
B
Well,
that
would
be
a
probably
well,
I
think,
two
parts
it
would
be
a
platform
dependency.
B
Otherwise,
depending
on
how
you
work,
it's
something
that
is
probably
has
been
installed
on
your
system
for
you
or
installed
at
the
you
know
the
os
level.
A
Charging,
okay,
that
makes
sense
yeah.
I
think
I
may
be
fortunate
and
never
having
had
to
install
like
the
node
analog
of
an
extension
really
for
anything
yeah.
I
remember
hearing
like
horror
stories
about
like
no
chip
errors,
but
yeah.
It
seems
like
it's
way
more
common
in
php,
which
is
interesting
right.
B
A
So
we're
pretty
trying
to
think
yeah,
pretty
much
everything's
still
hosted
in
aws
running
in
ucs
for
the
most
part,
so
yeah
pretty
much
everything
containerized,
no,
no,
no,
no
kufrineties.
As
far
as
I'm
aware,
maybe
maybe
one
thing
I've
heard
of
but
yeah
so
pretty
standard.
I
think
and
I
think
we're
running
like
php
fpm
behind
nginx.
B
B
And
so,
if
you're,
not
if
you
were
just
serving
an
api
you're
right,
nginx
does
almost
nothing
except
forwards.
Requests,
okay,.
A
A
Have
you
have
you
been
able
to
check
out
any
of
the
broader
open,
telemetry
stuff
like
in
those
black
cncf
slacker.
B
I
have
well
I've
been
hanging
around
in
the
just
in
the
specification.
B
Right,
if
you
haven't
used
it
conceptually,
it's
a
well,
it's
it's
an
it's
an
aggregator
which
you
send
your
traces
to,
and
it
takes
care
of
forwarding
to
right
wherever
they.
B
The
idea
being
well,
I
think
you
said
you
were
using
new
relic.
A
B
Be
you
set
up,
you
know
one
or
two
or
however
many
collectors.
You
need
really
close
to
your
code
so
that
you
can
emit
your
traces
very
quickly
without
so
that
it
doesn't
slow
down
your
application
right.
B
Takes
care
of
holding
on
to
them
and
then
forwarding
them.
You
know
at
its
leisure
right
wherever
they
need
to
go.
A
B
Yeah,
so
I
feel
like
the
php
implementation
could
be
made
a
lot
simpler.
B
B
Seeing
a
new
relic
so
yeah
yeah.
A
A
A
A
B
B
B
A
B
A
B
A
A
B
Death
spiral
yeah,
so
yeah.
Certainly
the
very
first
thing
that
I
have
been
well
wanted
to
do
with
open
telemetry
is
use.
The
batch
collector.
B
Because
it
will
just
hold
on
to
all
of
your
spans
and
things
that
you're
sending
out
and
set
its
weight
time
to
like
fairly
big
even
10
seconds.
It
doesn't
doesn't
matter
because
it'll
send
on
shutdown.
B
I'm
going
to
put
it
in
an
example
where
I
have
a
bigger
example,
but
it's
you
can
tell
with
fpm
which
you're
using
as
well.
You
can
tell
it
to
send
the
response
to
the
user
and
now
keep
processing.
A
B
Unless
you
want
your
users
to
to
wait-
and
I
suppose
that
depends
on
the
application-
yeah
latency
is
fine
for
some
things,
but
yeah.
A
A
A
Right
yeah,
I
just
can't
think
of
like
I'm
using
like
express
or
something
out
of
the
box.
Maybe
I
just
don't
know
about
know
enough
about
backhand
javascript,
but
like
yeah,
I
can't
think
of
how
I
would
be
like
oh
done
with
all
the
like,
middleware
and
stuff.
Here's
the
response
and
I'm
gonna
go.
Do
this
later.
A
A
A
B
A
B
I
don't
want
your
hair,
I
I
might
just
take
a
nap
later.