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A
So
mango
we
meet
again
indeed,
yeah,
there's
probably
not
going
to
be
any
attendance
at
this
meeting,
because
right
now
there's
a
metrics
meeting
for
planning
the
metrics
workshops
like
an
all-day
workshop
tomorrow.
So
that's
happening
like
next
door,
so
I'm
gonna
pop
over
there
in
a
couple
of
minutes.
I'm
just
hanging
out
here
just
in
case
someone
happens
to
show
up.
B
A
Right
now,
metrics,
the
metrics
working
group
is
they're,
doing
a
big
all-day
workshop
tomorrow,
so
they're
planning
that
right
now
there's
a
4
p.m.
Metrics
meeting,
so
that's
where
most
people
are
are
over
in
that
meeting.
That's
why
no
one's
over
here
got
it
yeah,
but
you
are
welcome
to
continue
to
lurk
here
or
to
go
lurk
in
that
meeting
if
you're
interested
in
the
metric
stuff,
which
is
kind
of
the
the
heart
of
like
all
of
the
spec
design
work
right
now,
it's
kind
of
other
metric
stuff.
B
All
right:
well,
I'm
gonna!
I
am
gonna
pull
this
lurk
train
out
of
the
station
and
go
hang
out
in
the
metrics
call.
Then.
B
A
So
I'm
not
sure
that
we've
actually
met.
Oh
sorry,.
C
Oh
yeah,
I
was
just-
I
was
just
looking
to
see
if
there
was
anything
on
the
on
the
agenda
but
yeah.
No,
we
we
have
not
met
so
yeah,
I'm
eric
lucas,
I'm
a
product
manager
over
at
relic.
I've
been
net
agent
and
ruby
agent
pm
for
the
past
year
or
so,
and
I've
been
recently
been
getting
more
involved
and
obviously,
we've
been
getting
all
involved
in
open
telemetry
across
the
different.
You
know
language
agents
and
everything,
and
so.
B
C
C
A
Yeah,
okay,
yeah
yeah,
that's
awesome
and
welcome.
There's
been
a
ton
of
new
relic
people
involved
and
they've
all
been
very
lovely.
I
actually
also
live
in
portland,
so
I
guess
I
shouldn't
presume
you
live
in
portland.
A
But
so
there's
like
the
portland
observability
communities
definitely
got
a
lot
of
new
relic
related
people
in
it
yeah
nice
to
meet
you.
C
A
Yeah,
my
role
is
nebulous,
I'm
just
like
senior
staff,
but
my
current
title
is
director
of
developer
education.
Prior
title
was
director
of
open
source
development.
So
it's
just
whatever
foofy
title
lets
me
focus
on
getting
open
telemetry
over
the
finish
line
right.
So
that's
mostly
what
I
focus
on
these
days.
A
Yeah
yeah,
so
I'm
trying
to
think
if
you're
looking
to
get
oriented
then
definitely
the
metric
stuff
is
is
interesting.
We
kind
of
have
this
process.
I
don't
know
if
you
followed
the
like
specification
process
at
all,
but
there's
sort
of
three
stages,
there's
like
rfcs,
which
we
call
oteps
and
then
there's
this
spec.
A
That's
in
a
repo
called
the
specification
and
that
describes
how
everything
should
work
across
the
different
languages
and
then
there's
all
the
different
language
working
groups
that
we
call
sigs
and
the
tracing
spec
is
pretty
much
done
so
we'll
be,
I
believe,
issuing
like
a
1.0
of
the
spec
imminently
that
will
be
tracing
going
stable,
we've
only
just
kind
of
settled
on
what
our
stability
guarantees
actually
are,
so
that
was
kind
of
like
the
final
piece
of
the
puzzle.
A
So
then
we'll
have
like
a
stable
tracing
release
and
a
bunch
of
languages,
hopefully
shortly
after
that,
what
you
get
after
stable
tracing
would
be
stable,
metrics,
but
metrics
is
definitely
not
stable
right
now.
Metrics
is
definitely
wholeheartedly
still
in
the
experimental
phase,
and
so
the
goal
now
is
to
make
sure
we're
collecting
up
enough
information
enough
feedback
enough
design
requirements
to
to
build
this
thing
properly.
A
There
is
already
a
metric
spec
and
there
are
already
metrics
implementations
but
figuring
out
exactly
what
we
want
to
do.
There
is
harder,
because
there's
a
bigger
landscape
of
existing
formats
and
technology
and
assumptions
that
you
have
to
interact
with
if
you
want
to
be
kind
of
like
a
good
go-between
between
you,
know,
stats,
d
and
prometheus
and
other
formats.
A
Tomorrow,
to
talk
through
a
number
of
these
bigger
issues,
since
it's
hard
to
chew
through
them
in
a
like
single
single
meeting
session,
which
is
where
I.
C
A
C
I
do
have
a
real,
quick
question
for
you.
Actually
you
mentioned,
like
the
the
tracing
you
know,
is
stable
and
about
to
have
a
1.0
release
on
the
on
the
spec.
I
know
I've
been
sitting
in
the
you
know,
like
I
said,
on
the
dot
net
sigs
and
they're.
Obviously
they're
eager
to
go
and
they've
been
just
kind
of
waiting.
They've
still
got
some
stuff
to
do
on
their
side,
but
they've
been
kind
of
waiting
for
you
know
the
community
and
that's
back
to
go
1.0,
but
I'm
curious.
C
If
there's
any
and
they've
got
their
medium,
you
know,
like
blog
posts,
kind
of
like
all
drafted
up
and
they're
working
on
finalizing
that
and
they're
going
to
obviously
put
that
out
there,
but
is
is
open
telemetry
in
general,
like
going
to
put
anything
else
out
in
terms
of
like
you
know,
like
kind
of
messaging
around
that
you
know,
1.0
spec,.
A
Yeah
yeah
absolutely
right
now,
I'm
waiting
for
the
final
approval
of
all
this
stability
stuff
before
I
kind
of
turn
towards
messaging
about
it
because
it's
like
not
quite
in
the
bag.
Yet,
but
yes,
once
we
get
this
in,
then
I
want
the
spec
to
officially
go
1.0
and
then
I
want
us
to
do
an
announcement
about
that,
ideally
co-announcing
with
net
and
if
there's
anything
else,
that's
ready
to
go
that.
But
you
know
I
think,
it's
enough
to
say
the
specs
1.0
and
stable
tracing's
now
available
in
dotnet.
A
So
so
there'll
be
a
big
announcement
like
that
that'll,
I
think,
go
out
once
we
actually
get
the
spec
1.0.
C
Got
it
yeah,
okay,
and
so,
where
do
I
like
follow
along,
for
you
know
more
information
on
that
and
staying
in
tune
on
that,
because
we
have
like
some
stuff
that
we
would
like
to
do
on
our
side
in
terms
of
messaging
when
and
would
like
to
coincide
with
that
announcement.
C
A
So
I
would
say
the
the
place
to
follow
along.
There
is
probably
the
spec
meeting,
because
we'd
be
talking
about
the
spec
1.00
and
announcing
that,
so
that's
where
that
kind
of
stuff
normally
gets
discussed.
A
So
if
you
look
in
there's
nothing
there
yet,
but
we'll
get
a
draft
going
in,
like
a
google
doc
around
what
the
open
telemetry
blog
post
is.
Gonna
look
like
on
that.
I
actually
need
to
write
that
thing.
But
again
I
I'm
still
just
trying
to
get
the
the
actual
work
of
the
actual
stability
guarantees.
Finished.
Yeah,
fair
enough
small.
C
A
And
we're
like
right
now,
gently
plucking
out
just
a
couple
final
guarantees
like
let's
not
promise
people
that
right
just
yet
realizing
some
things
are
a
little
bit
harder
to
define.
You
might
like,
like
data
stability,
for
example,.
A
Actually,
defining
what
it
means
to
to
say.
The
data
that
comes
out
of
open
telemetry
is
stable
is
tricky
because
you
don't
know
how
people
are
going
to
use
it.
C
A
Yeah
spec
meetings,
where
it's
at
so
check
it
out
yeah
all
right
all
right.