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OpenTelemetry PHP SIG Meeting

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Good morning, Bob.

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Morning, Brett, how are you.

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I am very well yeah yeah, a little.

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It's uh daylight savings just gets me every time once over yep.

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Yeah I feel you.

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Probably in the entirety of computer science, this um time zones, another thing that trips me up the most just never quite get them right. Yeah.

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It's um yeah time is probably the most well. I would argue that it's the most difficult challenge for computer science.

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Yes, I think so.

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There's a what's that that's an old saying: it's like there.

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Are two hard problems in computer.

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Science yeah, that's the one, that's the one yeah it's a cash and validation. What's uh naming things, yeah cash and validation and off by one errors, yeah, but.

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Think they got to include time in there. It.

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Should be in there, it's.

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Sorry still waking up to just need to get my coffee for sure.

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Yeah no worries yep.

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I think to round out that joke you should wait one hour and then say Oh in time. Oh.

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And time yeah, foreign and the weather here is also changing, miraculously so yesterday, at the peak of the day, it was 27 degrees, Celsius.

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On Sunday morning, it's going to be zero.

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We just had the complete opposite of being living under a blanket here at my desk fan, so long I mean uh that was even one week ago, and now it's just yeah, it's actually 27 degrees right now, I have to do my study and uh I won't be wearing shoes again for had a good six months. I think.

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I love the summer. I know the winter. I grew up in rural Pennsylvania, which is in the Northeast part of the United States, and it was I hated snow. So much.

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Like such a magical.

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Place as someone who does something there.

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You mean places with snow.

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Yeah but I, don't even you know, yeah to I, think the North and the Northeast and the north west of the United States looks beautiful I.

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Agree with you, it is pretty, but there is I can tell you from experience, there's nothing worse than having to shovel snow off of your driveway to be able to drive away to wherever you want to go.

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It's just like.

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It's just like another half an hour that you have to add to your day.

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I'm not a fan of hard work at the best of times, so so.

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You chose the right Perfection, yes,.

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Lazy programmer is a good programmer.

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Just you and I.

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Quick meeting it is looking like it's going to be just you and I, and that's a good thing, because I think you're an hour off too right. So is it midnight for you? Yes, it is well, then we'll go as quickly as we can.

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That's right, it's usually me talking that holds us up so.

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No, that's not true, but all right now, I'll show.

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My screen real quick.

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Right, open, PRS, that's what we got going on here: uh oh refactor, environment configuration.

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Saw that and I I'm sorry I, just like completely dunked and did not review it looks like some other people have looked.

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Up, that's okay, um yeah Tobias and.

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Someone else I forget anyway, yes, they're having some reviews but I think I've addressed them all um all right, maybe I'm not sure whether to be polite and wait for wait for a final thumbs up I'll just smash it in.

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Yeah I'll take uh I'll, take a look at it after this meeting or like maybe a little bit later today and then um approve it. If I feel good about it,.

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Okay, uh the other one's also mine, I, think that's okay, except for it's blocked by that first pull request so I see because they both they both touch configuration and I'd like to get the other one in rebase this one.

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Okay, uh so I'm gonna make a note about this. One uh yeah.

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I think I've already put a note to.

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That effect, yeah.

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About right, there.

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Yeah I need to learn to read more effectively uh all right, so confirm.

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uh There are a couple in here this one is getting long in the tooth.

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Yeah, it is I, look I've just parked it for a week, um uh while I'm working in the main repo, so you can sit there. I'll go I'll, get back to it.

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No problemo and then uh Tobias had psr18, and then this I'm thinking I'm surprised that this one, oh, we pinned it. That's why it hasn't been closed.

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And then just anything in the instrumentation front, nope.

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And then open bugs we've done a good job. I will Pat ourselves on the back. We've done a really good job of just squashing, bugs immediately.

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uh Yes, yes, all.

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Right I guess most of us doesn't have any questions, yeah I, think I, think you're, right, I, think I, don't know if we have had as many bugs as like. How does this work or I can't do this they'll say some like core functionality that they say is broken, and then you get like that racing heart attack, oh no and then you're, like oh yeah, don't forget to close your spam or something like.

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Okay uh required for beta was on the I. Think that's just like a default one on the agenda. I think the only thing we have left there is that package split. So uh let's talk about your uh release first, and then we can talk about that. If you want to or not whatever oh.

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That was really just a note. Oh.

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Saw it anyways.

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I was expecting uh it stopped, writing things and- and you know bugs or questions to just don't come in, because um I think it will look quite badly broken anyways.

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Just you know, copy pasting, our examples previously yeah.

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I think that, with an alpha software, people have to expect breakage. Like that's part,.

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That's part: that's part of the schtick, so.

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Oh yeah, oh yeah,.

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It says that right, yeah yeah.

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We can't be more explicit than that. Can we.

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Yeah all right and then uh about this uh required for beta split. What do we want to do about this? Because it's been what two weeks and we haven't had any movement on it.

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uh Yeah, so what do we get to so I did look at at what JavaScript does and, and they do what we do except they seem to manually, publish what I can tell Okay.

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um So the latest release was like 1.7 and everything is at 1.7 in the repository, so the tag is 1.7. But then, if you go and look in um in pmjs the package registry, uh everything is at 1.7, except for the API, which just has an earlier published version. So I.

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Think right, yeah I'm, trying to think of that. That probably is the best thing to do.

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Could technically pull the latest version of the API from if we've changed and just not released it from GitHub, but they could also like the packages package will be the most recent.

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Yeah, you know what's going to look weird, though, if we, if we, if the API stays stable for a while, it's at 1.0 everything jumps up, 1.1.2 1.10. We then do make a change to the API.

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It's going to jump from 1.0 to 1.11.

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It's going to be a really big obvious. You know change and.

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We no and I I, don't I, don't see how we.

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Yeah so I mean I will play Devil's Advocate counterpart. To that why.

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Problem like if we skip versions on the API- and we know we're doing that because we're trying to keep package parody in our GitHub repository, but only publish the most recent one on um packages until we get a new like until we get a new release, I think that that's more of a communication thing than it is a technology technology problem.

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um But does that just feel? Does that feel fundamentally broken to you like if I'm I.

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Would both be surprising to me as a user either yeah um the API kept incrementing, even though it wasn't changing or it just suddenly lurched up. You know 10 revisions overnight, which I don't I, don't know, which would surprise me more.

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Can't be the first. This is that we can't be the first people to have to deal with this problem, though I'm trying to I'm trying to like think about my prior art in this space I work at companies that do continuous delivery. So that's just it's just a different process.

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All right so I'm gonna write, I'm gonna write down our choices, just so that we uh are thinking about them all right, uh okay, get split before a g. I SDK choices. You know what I can know what we can do too. I see where this is go. I see where this is going. We can also, then put a poll in the channel, see what people say.

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All right so Choice one would be release every release, API and SDK. Every time I change is made to either um some bullets here.

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We are Pros uh keep version parody between with the island. Sdk on API would be released, even yeah. No changes are made.

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The second one would be release API and SDK separately.

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ah Probes, uh correct version number and corresponding with API and SDK changes, cons, uh I, guess the account would be um huge jumps in API release numbers when we release software or new API.

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Version the API yeah.

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So was that example, you said.

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1.0 to 1.10 yeah.

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Divided attended releases and the oops foreign.

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Would make I'm not released with an API uh change, would make the API version jump um yeah, all right, I'm, trying to think of other options. We have I think that's pretty much. It.

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Yeah yeah, that's yeah, yeah Paul's, a good idea.

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Oh, you know what we do have we have a third, we have a third one. It's.

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Release API and the release uh API and SDK every time: A, Change, Is, Made and but only upload specific versions to packages right yes or can.

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You even do that because we can, because we can disable packages to Auto uploading that'll, make it a manual task right and we'd. Probably do that just for the API and that's that's pretty much point one. Isn't it.

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uh Blah blah blah blah.

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Oh I, guess that would be a con too right. Yeah would have to make this become a manual process.

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Yes, thank you.

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Okay, yep excellent.

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All right I will I'll post that it I'll post this in the Channel with a um I'll post this in the Channel with a it was a poll and maybe we can get the people moving.

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um All right, one other random thought I had about slack, was that when we do try to have conversations in slack they they just fly off the top, because other things or anything anything at all and I wonder whether will be better served by not having those um automated things from from GitHub popping up. In slack.

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Oh I see uh so I. That is one of the like core drivers for me to be able to review PRS so, but I could I, but I could post them uh into another Channel. If you think that they're becoming too noisy I think they are okay. Well, then, uh I'll add that as an agenda item and I'll do that.

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It was a open, Telemetry victim that you had to.

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uh Notifications.

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Are becoming to what is he yeah uh from the repository to Slack? Are we going too noisy? We are going to them to Hotel PHP alerts or something like that. Happy.

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Yeah well, I I will uh give myself a note to do that.

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Oh because I would love to see more conversation.

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Yeah actual conversating.

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Sure yeah, let's see it's very easy way, I'm looking to see if they uh I know that that's here somewhere I'm gonna have to find where it is.

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Look at this yeah I'll have to figure out where that is. Oh I know you actually do that. Yeah.

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Yep I will do that.

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Yeah I don't know how to do that. I.

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Do I set it up the first time.

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um Is there anything else before you go, get some good salute.

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No, no I, don't think so. Oh yeah, oh.

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I guess that that's a topic that we need to change then, should we do we want to change this meeting time.

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Look I am certainly open to it.

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um I believe that I am too.

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um Yes, particularly keeping the Levi was, um and I I got the impression that he might show up occasionally if.

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It was a bit of time for him. I agree.

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um I'd certainly want to check with to bias as to what's what's good for him: yep, um yeah, yeah but I suppose for me, I'm guessing in about anywhere from 7am 8am. My time, which is eight hours from now so.

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That would be 4 P.M.

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I'm thinking for me.

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4 P.M to 5 p.m.

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From there, from between eight hours from now and 12 hours from now, something like that, I.

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Mean yeah that would that would be. um That would be between four and nine my time, which I would not be able to do with child care and stuff. So, okay about four to five I, probably could do I'm, looking I, think or like four P I think 4 P.M eastern time, which is that's eight hours from now. That is eight a.m. Your time is that right, yes, it is. Okay, I think that that would work. Oh I haven't it's like the meeting with that, but maybe we could change to Tuesday or something.

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A day of the week matter for you, yeah, okay, all right well, I will uh I'll take that as an action that into a post, uh I'll post a topic about um changing the meeting time.

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um Okay, yep, that's great um yeah; okay, yes, yes, um yeah, I, I I want the most people to be there. So if it's inconvenient for a bunch of people, then I you know I'm.

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I'm willing to take up late is okay, I.

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Am a computer programmer I'll just take.

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Drinking Coke or something.

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Yeah I I'm also happy for the time to be relatively convenient for me one day a week, if it's more, for you know for everybody, but I think we just really need to find uh what we're talking earlier about time being the most difficult thing.

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Yes, we were yeah.

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All right, well, I'll, uh I'll, put something in our Channel about that too. Thank you for um letting me know that it was a problem.

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uh No worries at all.

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Right well, we'll see you on the internet have.

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A fabulous day I'm off to bed. You.

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Have fabulous sleep I'll catch you later all right, ciao, bye, now bye.