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B
B
I
I
have
mixed
feelings
about
the
doctor.
I
like
the
dark,
but.
B
A
B
I'm
gonna
get
one
of
those
those
salt
lamps
for
those
those
V
lamps
that
you
can
get
yeah.
B
A
This
perfectly
leads
over
to
to
what
we're
doing
here
right.
So
let
me
see
that
I
bring
up
the
right
screen.
Hopefully,
Zoom
now
has
share
permissions.
Yes,.
A
C
A
C
A
C
A
Okay,
awesome,
cool
I,
don't
think
we
need
to
wait
any
longer.
I
mean
I.
Have
a
few
items
put
on
the
topics
list
before
we
dive
into
that
any
topic.
Anybody
else
wants
to
to
put
on
this
list.
A
No
cool.
First,
two
topics
is
more
like
I,
think
there's
some
work
done,
but
but
I
think,
because
those
are
a
little
bit
major
reworks
of
our
of
our
website.
I
just
wanted
to
to
quickly
review
that
and
get
some
some
feeling
of
okay.
Let's,
let's
make
this
happen.
So
the
one
thing
is
the
Community
page:
rework
right,
I
mean
we
discussed
this
extensively
last
week
and
Patrice.
You
spend
some
some
time
on
making
this
happen.
So
thank
you
for
that
already
and
what's
going
to
look
like,
is
this
right?
A
So
just
maybe
as
comparison
right
now,
when
you
click
here
on
community,
you
have
to
standard
page
from
from
doxy
right
and
now,
when
you
go
into
community
it
looks.
It
looks
like
a
little
bit
more
like
like
the
block,
or
also
the
docs,
that
that
we
have
a
landing
page
and
then
we
can
have
here
some
some
different
sections
on
for
the
community.
A
We
will
build
out
this
over
time
right,
so
we
now
have
demo
here
and
now
we
have
the
Android
User
resources
and
what's
then,
one
of
the
next
steps
is
that
okay,
this
is
very
static,
but
the
end
user
resources
there.
What
this
we
discussed
on
the
ticket
have
a
little
bit
of
mix
off
okay,
we
need
those
static
resources
so
that
people
can
inform,
like
oh
there's,
open
Telemetry
in
practice.
A
Let
me
check
when,
when
there
is
the
next
one,
oh
there's
monthly
discussion
groups,
oh
there's
some
slack
channels,
etc,
etc.
We
will
work
on
that
and
later
on,
we
will
figure
out
a
way
also
to
to
have
just
represented
in
the
block
probably
properly
any
any
feedback
on
that
any
any
concerns
with
me
merging
that.
D
It
requires
small
language
and
color
around
it
and
to
me
it
made
sense
to
go
here
but
I'd
love
to
hear
others.
Thoughts.
B
I
was
gonna,
say,
I,
think
that
makes
sense,
and
it's
probably
part
one
part
of
the
information.
That's
in
the
community
repo
right
now
in
the
readme,
for
example,
and
Severin
had
mentioned
that
we
could
indeed,
in
in
the
next
phase,
move
over
as
much
of
that
information
as
we
can
now
that
we'll
have
this,
maybe
a
bit
more
slightly
more
workable
community
section.
A
Right
right,
that's
great
that
you
bring
this
up,
I
mean
because,
for
example,
one
thing
it
annoys
me
right
now:
a
little
bit
is
this
Mission
Vision
and
values
in
here.
So
if
I
click
on
that
it
just
does
not
have
a
home
anywhere.
So
so
maybe
one
thing
we
can
also
do
as
a
fast
follow
is
putting
maybe
that
somewhere
here
as
well,
good
idea,
yeah,
yeah,
so
so
dead
and
then
and
then
as
discussed.
A
A
How
did
you
call
that?
Oh,
the
sub
module
sub
module?
That
was
a
good
submodule
right
and
then
we
can
start
pulling
content
from
there
right
like
we
do
it
with
the
spec
and
some
of
the
other
ones,
yeah
any
more
thoughts
on
that.
A
Cool,
let
me
merge
them
like.
B
A
So,
let's
give
this
a
minute
or
two,
and
then
we
are
hopefully
live.
A
Let's
get
back
to
this
in
maybe
a
few
more
minutes.
I
said
anything
else
on
that
topic.
If
not
the
next
one
is
a
little
bit
similar
to
that.
A
So
we've
discussed
this
a
long
time
ago.
I
don't
know
when
and
what
what
I
did
here
so
again,
if
you
I
hate
those
bars
from
from
Sunder
at
the
top,
it
makes
really
hard
to
click
somewhere.
So
right
now,
when,
when
you
go
into
the
open,
Telemetry
landing
page
right,
you
have
to
get
started,
and
then
you
have
collector
Java,
go.net
JavaScript
and
a
lot
of
the
other
language
is
not
listed,
and
also
some
people
don't
even
know
what
this
should
mean
to
them.
A
Right
I
mean
they're
like
I,
want
to
learn
about
open
Telemetry.
Why
are
there
some
some
programming
languages
listed
and
the
idea
we
took
it
here
is
to
have
this
a
little
bit
more
Centric
around
personas
that
potentially
use
open
Telemetry.
So
the
three
that
came
to
mind,
at
least
in
that
discussion,
were
application
developers,
Library,
Developers
and
application
operators.
A
A
Maybe
something
specific
for
your
language,
then
similar
for
someone
who
says
like
hey,
I'm,
developing
a
live
Library,
there's
a
little
bit
nuances
to
that
what
they
should
read
about,
especially
like
okay,
how
can
I
add
native
instrumentation
to
my
library
and
then
last
but
not
least,
application
operators
who
are
much
more
concerned
around
setting
up
the
collector
setting
up
the
operator
and
then
those
things
right.
So
this
was
the
idea
of
of
having
let's
say,
Dad
a
little
bit
more
Persona
oriented
and
then
grow
from
that
again.
This.
A
C
Information
for
the
Persona
of
the
application
operator
is
that
is
that
yeah
I
I
agree
with
you.
Libby
I'll
be
recommended
devops.
Instead
of
application
operators
devs
up
I
agree
that
devops
tends
to
be
a
standard
term
or
some
sort
of
like
infra
or
infrastructure.
A
D
A
B
We
have
a
term
that
we
use
a
lot
in
open
Telemetry
in
the
spec
in
other
docs
called
application
owner,
which
is
like
not
a
great
or
standard
term,
but
the
person
who
is
installing
and
setting
up
open
Telemetry
within
the
app
like
because
open
Telemetry
tends
to
be
a
Singleton
there's.
This
role
of
like
this
is
my
application.
I
need
to
set
up
open
Telemetry
for
this
thing,
so
use
that
term.
A
A
Some
people
even
might
struggle
with
that
right
so
that
that's
the
intent,
but
but
my
understanding
is
doing
doing
a
little
bit
more
like
I,
develop
applications
or
you
develop
applications,
and
actually
the
cool
thing
is
it
would
match
with
with
what
I
wrote
here
in
the
description.
So
that's
maybe.
A
So
that
we
do
here
the
same
like
so
Philip
suggested
to
use
you
instead
of
I,
so
I
see
advantages.
We
suppose
but
saying
like
you,
develop
applications
or
I,
develop
applications.
I,
develop
libraries
I,
develop
a
library
I
operate
applications
that
that
would
be
something
we
can
work
with
right.
B
A
Maybe
20
of
those
applications
have
open
Telemetry
in
it
already,
but
I
have
200
other
applications
that
don't
have
it
right
now
and
maybe
eventually
Engineers
will
do
manual
instrumentation,
but
right
now
all
I
want
is
seeing
all
of
them
in
my
Jagger
sipkin,
whatever
tool
I'm
using
right,
it's
okay!
Let
me
let
me
put
this
here:
replaced
persona
namespace.
A
How
do
you
call
this
things
that
the
person
does
like
I
develop
or
write
applications.
A
C
Libby
had
some
additional
suggestions
in
the
chat
as
well.
Yeah.
A
Oh,
you
can
learn
some
German
while,
while
I
do
working
here.
E
B
A
E
E
Easier
for
me
to
talk
through
this
I,
just
I
feel
like
I
mean
raise
your
hand
if
you
get
this
when
you
say
like
I,
create
apps
and
people
jump
to
like.
B
E
Right
or.
E
I
mean
I
would
say,
could
we
I
mean?
So
the
problem
is:
is
that
like
the
personas,
it's
gonna
be
simple,
just
like
I
build
software
or
I
run
software
right
or
I
operate
software
I.
D
E
E
Sorry
I
mean
sure
all
right,
hey
Jenkins,
has
Hotel
support.
Now
the
two
ways
I
would
look
at
is
I
either
go
like
Sue.
I
would
have
just
very
blunt
and
be
like
I
am
I'm.
The
dev
or
the
op
side
and
or
I
would
defecate
it
by
like
roll
like
I
describe
myself
as
a
software
developer
or
like
as
an
SRE.
B
E
And
I
mean
there's
a
ton
of
like
conceptual
overlap
there,
but
I
think
the
starting
points
are
different
because,
if
you're
coming
in
as
an
app
Dev
or
as
a
if
I
describe,
if
I
identify
as
a
software
engineer,
software
developer
or
whatever
right,
then
my
primary
Port
of
Call
is
probably
not
going
to
be
collector.
Docs
is
probably
going
to
be
like
Library,
API,
docs,
right
yeah
and
if
I
identify
as
SRE
or
as
like
an
operations
person,
then
it's
probably
going
to
be
collector
and
auto
instrumentation.
E
B
Oh
I
was
I
was
gonna,
say
it's
definitely
worth
it
to
have
it
as
like
a
sub
area,
but
I
think
Austin's
right
like
if
we
just
have
two
top
levels:
developer
and
operator
and
developers.
Everything
that
you
have
to
write
code
in
order
to
do
with
open,
Telemetry
and
operator
is
everything
you
have
to
do.
That
involves
yaml
files
and
Helm
charts,
and
you
know
all
of
that
stuff.
E
And
I
also
I,
don't
know
if
it
was
on
here,
but
as
a
top
level
thing
I
think
the
top
level
CTA
should
actually
be
into
the
hotel
demo.
E
Like
on
your
on
your
reworked
front,
page
or
like
even
under
getting
start
like,
there
should
be
a
getting
started
for
like
open
Telemetry,
doing
like
five
minute
like
five
minutes.
What's
Hotel
about
right
and
it
takes
you
into
the
hotel
demo
flow
because
that's
gonna
be
something
that's
like
people
can
just
clone
the
repo
Docker
compose
up
and
they'll
get
dashboards
and
instrumentation
and
yaml
they'll
get
everything.
E
E
A
Yeah
so
here
getting
started
and
then
we
could
hey,
you
can
get
started
with
open
Telemetry
in
five
minutes.
Yes,
demo
I
was
even
thinking
about
I
wanted
to
bring
this
down
to
to
the
demo
team.
Maybe
even
there's
a
video
of
that
so
so
showing
them
like.
So
they
don't
even
have
to
to
do
anything.
They
have
to
click
one
button
and
then.
E
Yeah,
we
can
definitely
get
get
one
of
those
built
because
keep
in
mind
like
one
of
the
goals
of
the
demo,
is
for
people
that
aren't
even
like
open
telemetry
like
it's
almost.
If,
if
you
want
to
put
on
your
like
marketing
hats
from
it,
it's
almost
for,
like
the
buyer,
persona
yeah
right
right,
it's
yeah,
oh
I,
I,
read
about
this
in
SkyMall
and
I
saw
this
on.
E
D
So
yeah
I'm
thinking
in
terms
of
you
know
we
know
users
have
a
hard
time
getting
started
with
open,
Telemetry
and
part
of
it
may
be
if
they
know
nothing
except
I've
heard
open.
Telemetry
is
good,
starting
from
that
basic
point.
Okay,
there's
all
this
information
I
think
coming
into
it.
Hey
I,
write
code.
Well
am
I
an
application
developer,
in
which
case
I
want
to
know
how
to
instrument
or
am
I
creating
a
library
which
is
different
and
different
information,
or
am
I
trying
to
run
it.
D
In
addition
to,
even
before
that,
here's
a
little
bit
about
open,
Telemetry,
look,
we've
got
a
demo
created
and
here's
what
it
looks
like
I
think
having
more
information.
I
would
lean
towards
that,
rather
than
trying
to
make
it
crisper,
because
what
we're
hearing
where
end
users
are
having
a
hard
time,
my
two
cents.
B
E
E
B
C
It's
okay,
as
as
someone
who
has
worked
in
library
technology
when
I
hear
Library,
developer,
I,
think
of
a
developer
who
works
in
like
academic
and
public
libraries,
not
technical
developer,
so
that
might
also
be
a
thing
and
I
know
everyone's
really
interested
in
open
Telemetry
in
the
library
world.
Right
now,
it's
like
getting
some
Buzz
so.
C
Was
a
the
community
that
Jen
and
I
originally
met
at?
They
had
a
presentation
about
monitoring
or
they
had
a
workshop
about
monitoring.
Last
year
at
the
code
Philip
conference.
B
Foreign
I
will
say:
I
have
definitely
seen
enough
absent
documentation.
I've
seen
enough
Library
developers
do
weird
and
strange
things
when
integrating
open,
telemetry
wrapping
it
up
and
other
stuff
having
it
off
by
default.
Even
though
that's
like
the
whole
point
of
the
API
being
separate
from
the
implementation,
a
lot
of
a.
E
But
but
to
that
point
Ted
like
if
you
were
a
library
developer
and
you
come
here
and
your
options
are
I'm
a
software
engineer
or
I'm
an
operations
engineer,
you
would
click
yes,
I'm.
B
E
Software
engineer
and
then
there's
a
thing.
That's
like
are
you?
How
are
you
Pro,
you
know,
do
you
create
distributed
systems?
Do
you
create
distributed
applications
and
services
right,
that's
one
thing
and
then
there's
a
do.
You
create
like
middleware
or
libraries
or
open
source
Frameworks,
and
that's
another
thing
and
that's
what
leads
you
down
the
merry
path
of
how
to
not
up
open
API,
open
television.
E
It's
not
a
it
is
not
the
top
level
distinction
right,
it's
not
the
above
the
fold.
This
is
what
you
see
the
the
two.
You
know
the
two
groups
we
have
to
think
about
for
this
real
estate
is
I'm,
a
buyer
like
a
better
word
and
I'm
an
implementer,
and
we
that
those
are
kind
of
the.
What
I
would
strongly
encourage
us
to
focus
on
in
this
sort
of
top
of
fold.
D
E
D
Like
the
idea
of
okay
at
the
top
level,
I
don't
need
to
think
about
if
I'm,
actually
instrumenting
or
extending
a
library
but
I
I
do
think
the
distinction
is
I'm,
I'm,
writing
code
or
I'm,
trying
to
run
something
and
then
for
the
writing
code.
One
you
get
to
the
well.
What
are
you
specifically
trying
to
do
with
it?
In
this
case,
you
need
to
look
at
this
set
of
the
this
subset
of
the
documentation.
B
A
On
the
on
the
GitHub
issue,
but
anyways,
we
want
to
get
rid
of
the
library
developer
here,
so
it's
only
app
dafs
and
Ops
right
and
then
I
can
go
down
to
one
path
and
then
I
can
go
down
the
other
part
and
then
in
the
depth
part
we
can
still
say
like
hey:
I
do
middleware
Frameworks
libraries
whatever
and
in
in
the
Ops
part.
It's
only
around
okay,
I
run
whatever
kubernetes
and
later
on.
If
we
have
anything
else
supported,
we
can
list
it
there
and
then
maybe
there's
another
I.
A
E
A
So
find
your
way
so
get
rid
of
that
and
then
find
a
way
to
get
started
with
open,
Telemetry
and
then
deploy
blue
ones,
yeah,
Ops
and
dafs
and
then
dafs
in
the
document
splits
out
into
into
two
right.
Yeah
and.
C
Severin
you
mentioned
earlier
in
the
meeting
about
making
the
Mission,
Vision
and
values
being
a
part
of
an
accessible
math
structure,
rather
than
just
like
being
a
link
from
the
front
page.
This
might
play
into
that
restructuring.
Yeah.
A
E
Another
thing
that
you
could
do
Severin
or
just
if
you
scroll
down
on
this,
do
we
still
have
the
three
yeah?
We
still
have
the
cards
there,
so
one
of
those
like
one
of
those
cards
could
be
restyled
to
like
draw
you
into
Community
Resources,
more
I,
don't
know
if
these
are.
E
E
By
the
way
we
also
just
as
an
FYI,
you
all
don't
have
to
be
precious
about
that
background.
I
know
it's
cute.
Everyone
loves
the
everyone
loves
that
image,
but.
E
D
D
A
What
I
wanted
to
say,
sorry
that
came
across
not
not
the
way
I
wanted
to
have
it.
I
love
this
picture
and
I
cannot
offer
to
do
a
new
one,
because
if
I
would
draw
one,
it
would
look
like
my
kids.
Do
it
better
than
I
do
so,
because
anybody
knows
anybody.
If,
if
anybody
knows
anyone
who
says
like
hey
I
have
a
better
idea
or
even
I,
don't
know
we
could
have
multiples
right
and
then
yeah.
A
B
E
It
is
a
little
yeah.
It
is
a
little
busy
with
the
text
there
and
I
I.
This
was
the
best
way.
I
could
get
it
all
to
look,
although
the
the
way
that
I
had
it
before,
where
I
actually
the
original.
The
way
this
was
is
that
the
instead
of
the
stuff
being
centered,
it
was
actually
pulled
to
the
right
on
desktop
and
so
the
text,
and
then
there
was
an
actual
solid
backdrop
against
the
text.
I
think
when
we
did
a
DOT,
we
moved
to
doxy
yeah.
We
moved
to
doxy.
B
I'm
happy
to
to
help
with
this
or
draw
a
new
thing
or
whatever,
but
we
can
make
the
kids
more
Visual
and
I
would
take
all
those
awesome,
Stars
and
cut
them
up
and
use
them
as
like
edging
in
various
places
where
we
want
want
a
little
more.
C
On
so
it
sounds
like
it's
a
overall
positive
opinion
about
consolidating
the
two
bars
of
buttons
into
one
bar.
D
E
E
A
E
A
D
D
A
Okay,
gotcha,
okay,
so
all
we
will
have
is
high
quality,
whatever
find
your
ways
on
how
to
get
started
with
open,
Telemetry
and
then
there's
an
Ops
button
and
then
there's
a
devs
button
or
the
other
way
around
yes
and
then
the
Ops
button
will
bring
you
here
and
then
the
depth
button
will
bring
you
here
and
then
I
will
maybe
move
the
and
maybe
split
it
into
into
two
and
say
like
hey.
Are
you
doing
the
one
or
the
other
makes.
D
Quibble
on
the
language
find
your
way
on
how
to
get
started
with
open
telemetry
find
your
way
and
how
to
get
started
with
open,
Telemetry
or
figure
out
how
to
get
started
with
open
Telemetry
or
get
started
with
open
Telemetry.
But
the
sentence
as
it
is
grammatically
just
doesn't
read
correctly.
E
D
E
A
C
It
keep
it
direct
because
you
want.
C
A
E
A
E
Your
way,
you
know
you're
finding
your
way.
B
A
B
C
A
C
The
subject
is
implied
yeah.
A
Yeah,
why
did
I
remove
everything
here?
What
was
to
start
your
opened
Telemetry
Journey
today.
D
D
A
Worries
no
worries.
Okay,
so
I
will
rework
that
will
take
me
a
little
bit
of
time
but
anyways.
Let's
go
back
to
the
agenda,
that's
a
call
to
action.
So
let
me
see
if
I
can
find
it
issue.
D
A
We
still
need
to
have
metrics
represented
within
the
docs
I
think
we
set
ourselves
a
timeline
to
kubecon,
which
is
in
two
weeks
or
something
like
that
yeah
so
yeah.
If,
if
you
know,
if
you
have
bandwidth
or
if
you
know
anybody
who
says
like
hey
I'm,
going
to
sit
down
and
do
this
for
my
favorite
programming
language,
that
would
be
awesome.
C
A
E
A
A
C
E
E
There's
a
template
that
do
we
all
know.
E
A
Is
this
issue
I
can
I
can
link
it
again?
Let
me
see.
A
So
you
can
find
it
there,
and
you
can
maybe
maybe
mention
there
that
you
want
to
do
python
then
Philip
or
I
can
pay
attention
to
now.
Okay,.
B
D
A
Right
yeah,
so
yeah
I
think
the
the
thing
is,
of
course,
this
is
of
course
a
very
extensive
one.
So
so
maybe
we
can
still
say
like
hey
the
most
important
ones,
are
those
things
and
then
gradually
work
from
that,
because
I
have
don't
have
a
problem.
If
we,
if
we
start
and
don't
have
all
of
that
right
so
yeah
the.
A
A
Yeah
exactly
so
it's
more
around
like
hey,
you
go
here,
maybe
in
the
python
getting
started,
and
then
here
is
tracing
and
yeah.
Here's
already
a
little
bit
on
metrics
I'm.
Not
even
sure
is
this
up
to
date,
I,
don't
know
and
then
on
manual
I
think,
there's
also
a
little
bit
on
metrics
already,
but
yeah
I
think
there's
too
small.
It
needs
to
be
there
java,
I,
don't
know
if
they
have
anything
on
that.
Yet,
let's
see
on
manual,
do
they
have
anything
on
metrics?
A
But
but
I
think
it
it
would
be
good
to
to
so
so
what
I
I
think
what
what
also
Philip
was
looking
at
I
think
it
was
a
little
bit
off
the
python
python
getting
started
and
then
extending
it
a
little
bit
and
saying
like
hey,
yeah,
here's
how
you
can
do
metrics
and
then
in
the
manual
section
Also.
Let's
say
extending
this
based
on
that
the
template
be
sketched
out
here
right.
A
So
if
you
compare
this
with
python
or
with
net
there's
a
lot
of
similarity
from
things
that
are
there
already
yeah.
A
Okay,
let's
I
mean
yes,
sir.
This
was
a
call
to
action.
There's
another
one,
having
two
more
minutes,
Philip
and
I
are,
let's
say,
get
getting
a
lot
of
requests
right
now
to
to
approve
and
review
things.
So
we
need
some
help
with
that.
So
if
anybody
of
you
says
like
hey,
I
want
to
do
more
code
reviews,
let
us
know
send
us
a
quick
slack
message
or
something,
and
we
can.
We
can
then
figure
out
how
to
do
that
right.
E
A
A
Yeah
having
one
or
two
more
approvers
that
just
can
help
us
to
go
through
them
and
yeah
put
a
put
an
approval
on
that.
What
would
be
really
helpful
so.
A
Yep
I
said
just
two
calls
to
action:
we're
at
the
top
of
the
hour
anything
anything
else.
A
Awesome
Dan.
Thank
you
all
for
your
time
and
this
great
discussions
and
yeah
the
community
pages
are
live.
So
let's
also
see
that
we
can
fill
this
up
with
a
little
bit
more
content.
A
Yeah
go
for
it.
Oh.