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Description
OpenTelemetry Prometheus WG
A
B
Session
I've
joined
I'm
with
their
observe
IQ.
C
D
B
I'm
from
observe
IQ,
oh
okay,
I'm
a
product
manager
over
there,
I
actually
was
at
hotel
unplugged.
So
I
saw
you
thanks
for
all
your
work.
You
know
on
that,
but
didn't
get
a
chance
to
meet.
You.
D
Oh
and
then
Ryan,
if
you
want
to
put
your
attendance
in
the.
E
Well,
good
morning,
I
see
we've
got
a
couple
new
faces
here:
Welcome
to
our
end
user
work
group.
B
A
E
Is
nice
to
meet
you
too?
Okay.
E
I
like
to
start
these
off
by
I,
don't
have
anything
on
the
agenda
today
and
so
like
doing
a
crowd
sourced
agenda
for
the
next
like
two
minutes
or
so
so,
please
feel
free
to
add
any
content
that
you
would
like
to
speak
about
today.
E
E
All
right
before
we
jump
into
agenda
Ken
and
Ryan.
What
brings
you
to
the
group
today.
A
A
B
Cool
yeah
so
for
me,
I'm
a
product
manager
at
observe,
IQ
and
yeah
I
I
kind
of
found
out
about
the
group
when
I
was
at
hotel
unplugged.
B
E
E
Group
new
person,
jumping
in
so
I,
will
put
an
action
item
just
to
review
the
working
group
and
what
what
assets
are
out
there
and
where
you
can
go
to
find
more
and
to
get
more
involved
cool
all
right,
so
welcome
Jared.
We
are,
if
there's
any
agenda
items
you
want
to
chat
about.
Please
add
them
to
the
agenda
doc.
Otherwise,
the
first
item
up
is
a
kubecon
North,
America
recap:
Reese.
You
were
there
and
it
sounds
like
a
couple
other
folks.
E
Were
there
what
what
stood
out
during
kubecon
or
hotel
unplugged
day?
That
would
be
of
relevance
to
this
group.
D
And,
of
course,
I
don't
have
like
my
notes,
handy
so
one
of
the
things
I
think
that
I
got
was
that
people
were
really
enjoying
the
in-person
experience,
and
so
during
one
of
the
virtual
breakouts,
the
topic
was
user
feedback
and
experience,
and
it
sounded
like
local
in-person
meetups.
So
would
be
like
a
great
next
step
to
help
build
the
community
and
increase
contributions,
and
so
that
is
one
of
the
things
that
is
top
of
my
mind
but
I
know
Ryan.
B
Yeah
I
mean
I
think
for
from
my
perspective,
as
a
as
an
attendee
and
someone
that,
like
I
kind
of
just
started
at
observe
IQ
in
February
I'm,
pretty
new
to
the
observability
space,
but
I
I
think,
like
the
energy
at
the
hotel
event,
was
really
really
great.
B
I
thought
it
was
super
well
organized
too.
So
anyway,
it
was,
it
was
fun
to
be
around
and
I
we
got
a
lot
of.
There
was
like
there
were
a
lot
of
really
great
kind
of
end
user
insights
that
came
through.
You
know
that
were
super
valuable.
For
me.
B
You
know
specifically
at
hotel,
unplugged
and
then
I
think
I
was
at
the
open
observability
day.
You
know
as
well,
and
it
was
super
cool
to
just
see
a
hotel
as
a
theme
kind
of
all
throughout
those
talks
forgetting
his
name,
but
there
was
a
guy
from
from
eBay
yeah
BJ
yeah.
He
his
whole
discussion
on,
like
you
know
them
moving
to
Hotel,
was,
was
really
fascinating
and
it's
super
beneficial.
D
Thanks,
yeah
and
I
think
there
was
just
like
a
you
know:
General
like
interest
in
getting
involved
and
kind
of
you
know,
meetings
a
bit
of
guidance
on
how
to
do
so,
and
so
meetups
would
be
one
part
of
how
to
connect
those
pieces.
E
I'm
just
curious
when
you
say
guidance
on
how
to
get
involved
I.
Is
that
like
Community
involvement?
Is
that
usage
of
Hotel.
D
Both
okay,
so
in
interest
in
like
some
sort
of
best
practice,
documentation
which
we
agree
may
not
necessarily
make
sense
for
all
aspects
since
there's
so
many
variables
in
people's
environments.
D
And
some
of
the
I
met
Melissa
Logan
from
Constantia
who's
interested
in
one
of
her
co-workers.
Molly
is
going
to
work
on
end
user
profiles,
so
I
thought
oh,
what
a
great
way
to
like
you
know
kind
of
marry
like
the
end
user
interviews
and
then
have
someone
be
on
there
to
like
Catch
Notes
and
turn
it
into
a
news
approval
for
the
blog.
As
long
as
you
know,
it's
okay
with
the
interview
me
because
obviously
it's
going
to
be
public
info,
so.
E
Yeah
is
there
any
action
item
regarding
those
end
user
profiles
for
this
group
to
do.
D
A
E
That
would
be
awesome,
I
think
one
of
the
challenges
here-
I
used
to
go
to
tag
observable
anymore,
but
just
like
keeping
it
in
lockstep
I
talked
to
Matt,
sometimes
in
slack.
E
E
Everybody,
how
did
the
end
user
Hotel
unplug
panel
end
up
shaking
out
any
lessons
we
want
to
capture
for
next
year?.
E
In
general,
best
practices
to
drive
an
end
user
panel
in
Amsterdam.
D
Ooh
so
I
think
it
went
well.
I
had
good
feedback
on
it
as
well.
We
had
Lolita
jump
on
as
a
last
minute
guest
because
one
of
our
panelists
not
sure
what
happened,
but
they
didn't
end
up
showing
up
in
person,
umelita
and
Periscope
Ryan
I
thought
it
went
really
good.
D
We
opened
it
up
to
I,
had
a
couple
questions
just
based
on
my
conversation
with
Vijay
the
day
before
during
open
observability
day,
and
that
kind
of
jump
started
like
questions
from
the
audience,
and
there
are
a
lot
of
questions
around
like
oh,
how
did
you
do
this
and
I?
Don't
remember
the
specifics,
but
the
recording
is
available,
so
I'm
gonna.
E
Awesome,
okay:
is
there
anything
else
we
would
like?
Anyone
would
like
to
mention
about
kubecon
North
America
recap
two
weeks
ago.
It
feels
like
a
lifetime
ago.
It.
D
I
think
another
thing
I
don't
know
if
I
mentioned
the
study
was
just
like
specific
ways
to
do
certain
things.
I
think
that
was
one
of
the
takeaways
I
had
as
the
moderator
for
the
panel.
In
terms
of
like
the
questions
that
people
wanted
to
know,
how
did
you
you
know?
How
did
your
team
get
around
this
or
that
and
again
I?
Don't
remember
the
specifics.
D
D
E
One
of
my
favorite
quotes
came
from
an
analyst
that
I
was
talking
to
and
it's
somewhere
further
down
in
this
document,
but
something
to
the
effect
of
vendors
have
vendors
believe
that
open
Telemetry
is
the
right
solution,
because
that's
what
we
do
all
the
time
and
so
getting
more
end
user
voices
will
help
just
accelerate
the
overall
adoption
because
we're
a
bunch
of
like
non-neutral
parties
being
like
open
Telemetry
is
amazing
right
and
the
more
we
can
get
end
users
who
have
used
it.
E
The
other
end
users
care
it
carries
more
weight
with
them
from
an
adoption,
standpoint
and
I,
don't
know
Ken
if
workday
is
in
the
open,
Telemetry
a
doctor's
file
which
is
hosted
in
the
community
repo
and
just
like
right
now,
it's
kind
of
a
mostly
non-organized
alphabetical
file
of
of
companies
who
have
adopted
open
Telemetry,
and
so
we
want
to
encourage
adopters
to
add
themselves
to
that
file.
A
E
That
will
be
interesting.
I
I
want
to
throw
something
down
at
the
end
to
Circle
back
on
that.
E
Okay,
so
Reese
local
meetups
are
there
any
more
concrete
action
items
from
that?
I
know
that
there's
been
like
non.
E
D
D
D
Okay,
okay,
so
everyone's
scattered,
okay,
I
was
thinking.
If
we
can
put
together
like
a
Playbook
of
I
mean
first
I
would
have
to
actually
execute
and
make
sure
the
Playbook
Works,
but
then
once
we
have
that
it
would
be
make
it
easier
to.
You
know
pass
to
like
other
like
Detroit
or
Austin
like
hey.
If
anyone
is
interested
in
hosting
a
person
Meetup.
Here's
like
some
easy
steps,
but
you
know,
of
course
you
have
to
think
about
like
sponsorship
and,
like
you
know,
tons
of
okay.
D
Where
are
we
going
to
meet?
Is
it
going
to
be?
You
know,
super
cash
and
you
know
we're
just
gonna
meet
up
at
I.
Don't
know
some
coffee
shop
and
you
know
hope
they're,
okay,
with
15
20
people
hanging
out
for
a
little
bit
or
you
know
a
more
formal
like
sponsorative
and
a
I.
Don't
know
a
vendor
neutral
space
or
I,
don't
know.
Could
it
be
hosted
at
a
you
know,
vendor
office
and
just
be
like
okay,
we're
not
selling
our
product,
and
you
know
this
is
just
using
the
space.
E
I
think
hosting
those
in
the
space
of
vendors
as
long
as
vendors
are
okay
with
like
not
trying
to
over
emphasize
this
but
I
know,
a
variety
of
vendors
are
looking
for
more
ways
to
support
the
community
and
they've
got
this
real
estate
out
there,
and
so
I
think
that
that
seems
fine
to
me
and
also
potentially
very
enthusiastic
end
users
who
are
doing.
F
E
I
met
someone
at
a
conference,
so
I
went
to
a
management
Conference
during
kubecon
and
they
said
that
they
hosted
on
the
East
Coast
an
Hotel,
Meetup
and
I
was
like
this
is
fascinating.
I
know
nothing
about
this,
and
I
still
need
to
look
into
that
a
little
bit,
but
I
think
the
Playbook
makes
perfect
sense.
E
We
we
put
out
sort
of
like
a
playbook
for
these
end
user
discussion
facilitation,
and
so
the
guide
there
to
help
bring
some
consistency,
since
it's
probably
the
location,
is
going
to
be
a
challenge
and
then
so
creating
a
Playbook
of
just
like.
How
do
you
want
that
to
flow?
And
then
the
second
question
of
like
what
areas
do
we
want
to
try
to
Target?
Where
are
the
use
end
users
who
would
want
to
participate,
because
that
is
going
to
be
a
little
bit
of
a
challenge
to
be
like?
E
Well,
if
there's
a
bunch
of
people
in
Austin
who
want
to
participate,
how
do
how
do
we
effectively
pull
end
users?
Who
would
go
physically
to
one
of
these
events?.
F
B
Daniel
Daniel
from
dynatrace
I'm
stuck
in
him
a
bit
because
he's
based
in
Detroit
as
well
and
and
kind
of
the
idea
of
like
a
Detroit
meet
up
like
potentially
in
their
offices,
came
up
so
anyway,
I
I
can
reach
out
to
him
but
yeah.
It's
your
point,
I
think
the
like.
How
do
we
get
people
there?
It's
definitely
gonna
be
the
challenge.
E
I
wonder
what
do
you
all
think
about
if
we
just
like,
went
to
the
open,
Telemetry
Channel
and
did
a
quick
poll
of?
Are
you
interested
in
attending?
If
so,
where
in
the
world,
are
you
and
we
can
like
try
to
bring
a
little
bit
of
data
into
this
because
I
know
there's
a
bunch
of
people
in
Portland
who
would
be
interested
in
attending?
E
And
so
we've
got
these
like
little
local
pieces.
I
think
Alita
and
I
talked
about
this
about
a
year
ago
and
landed
on
Seattle
Portland
and
San
Francisco,
just
based
on
the
office
availability
that
we
could
coordinate.
We
wanted
to
have
a
party
for
the
stabilization
of
metrics,
which
we
thought
was
going
to
happen
like
in
January,
but
I
think
that
we
can
pull
those
those
threads
forward
a
little
bit.
A
Is
there
also
a
possibility
of
coordinating
or
collaborating
with
specific
user
groups
to
like
do
something
like
this
with
their
existing
group,
whether
it's
a
kubernetes
user
group
or
a
language,
specific
user
group,
or
something
like
that?
That
could
be
a
way
to
get
both
space
and
people
potentially
absolutely.
F
E
That's
probably
what
we
should
Target
for
the
first
attempt
to
do
bring
Meetup
to
cross
to
various
places,
so
those
existing
audiences
and
just
essentially
introducing
the
power
of
open
Telemetry
in
in
there
I
I,
really
like
that
idea.
Yeah.
D
There's
also
kubernetes
Community,
Days
and
I
guess
there
are
some
groups
that
will
do
like
communities
and
communities
since
the
kubernetes
communities
is
already
like
a
big
thing
and
I,
don't
know
if
there's
actually
one
here
in
Portland
but
I
just
heard
about
him
at
keep
calm.
E
Okay,
most
immediate
next
step
is
to
identify
some
existing
user
groups
that
we
could
like
backpack
onto
I,
really
think.
That's
a
great
idea.
G
I
think
backpacking
onto
the
groups
is
a
better
idea
than
starting
our
own,
mostly
because
I
just
don't
know
that
there's
a
huge
audience
that
wants
to
come
here
about
Telemetry
every
month
in
person.
That's.
E
Okay,
so
we'll
take
that
action
item
I
guess
follow
up
in
slack.
If
you
have
suggestions
for
user
groups
that
are
popular,
that
we
can
just
like
start
collating
a
list
and
I'd
say
like
we
can
just
reach
out
to
them
and
figure
out
yeah
I'm
like
okay.
So
what's
the
topic
gonna.
E
Like
meet
up
has
should
have
a
I
I
co-host,
a
Engineering
Management
lead
up
in
Portland,
and
so
theoretically
you
can
contact
the
hosts.
But
a
lot
of
those
hosts
are
active
on
cncf
slack
from
what
I
have
seen,
and
so
we
could
like
select
them
too.
G
I
had
no
luck
when
I
tried
to
do
this,
for
the
open
Telemetry
made
up
but
like
like
the
online
one,
but
I
mean
you're.
Welcome
to
try
it
again.
E
Okay,
we
would
like
to
learn
from
the
lessons
that
you
had
and
where
you
found
challenge
in
doing
that.
G
E
It-
and
this
is
the-
why
can't
I
not
remember
the
name,
it's
not
Hotel
in
practice,
hotel
and
practice.
G
Yeah
I
did
meet
somebody
who
runs
a
cloud
native
Meetup
in
the
middle
of
the
country.
That's
currently
virtual
and
I
need
to
like
partner
with
them
on
the
next
Meetup,
but
that
was
like
after
I
was
already
hosting
meetups
and.
E
E
G
We
pushed
it
out,
didn't
isn't
Reese
talking
to
someone
for
November.
D
Yeah
there's
oh
I'm
blinking
on
the
company
name
right
now,
I
know
their
names
rich
and
Vic,
but
I
forget
which
company
they're
with
Ted.
This
was
someone
that
Ted
brought
in
yeah.
I
was
looking
at
the
schedule
for
November
and
I
was
like
okay.
Well
can't
do
today
and
November
24th.
D
The
next
one
is
Thanksgiving,
so
I'm
trying
to
see
if
there,
if
everyone
is
available
for
like
a
different
date
or
if
you
want
to
just
like
in
December,
which
is
either
the
8th
or
the
22nd,
which
is
pretty
close
to
obviously
Christmas
so
I'll
see
asked
Ted
and
Rich
and
Vic
what
their
availability
is
and
see.
If
we
can
get
something.
E
Yeah,
that's
a
good
point.
I
I,
don't
know
what
people
are
gonna
do
from
a
time
off
perspective.
We
can
pull
that
24th
into
like
a
Monday,
but
I.
Don't
know
how
many
humans
would
would
show
up.
So
we
could
just
cancel
the
the
24th
end
user
working
group.
Any
preferences
from
the
folks
on
the
call.
E
E
Totally,
fine,
okay,
that's
no
longer
on
the
calendar,
and
so
we
will
re-meet
as
a
group
on
the
8th
of
December,
but
as
for
a
end
user
interview,
I
think,
depending
on
the
schedule
of
the
end
user
company
identified
put
that
in
the
week
after
Thanksgiving,
because
it
doesn't
have
to
happen
and
overlap
with
this
time
frame.
E
Okay,
we
so
that
would
be.
My
suggestion
is
the
week
after
so
it's
not
next
week,
but
a
little
bit
of
heads
up
time.
E
So
for
the
new
folks
on
the
call,
this
byoc
bring
your
own
customer
interview,
so
we've
done
I,
think
like
four
of
them
and
those
notes
and
YouTube
links
and
stuff
should
end
up
propagating
out
to
GitHub,
and
some
of
those
sessions
are
recorded
and
posted
to
YouTube.
Some
people
are
not
comfortable
with
having
that
public
out
there
and
if
you
are
interested
in
attending
whoever
is
organizing
it
can
like.
E
Let
you
know
the
schedule
for
when
the
next
end
user
interview
is
and
the
there's
information
of
the
like
philosophy
behind
these
community-led
interviews
on
public
GitHub
and
very
welcome
to
identify
end
users
who
want
to
come
and
talk
to
the
group
as
well.
E
And
user
discussions
this
month,
more
promotion,
those
are
happening.
What
next
week.
D
Yeah
they
were
missing
from
the
calendar
as
far
as
I
could
tell,
and
so
now
that
we've
got
them
on
the
calendar
actually
and
I
also
updated
the
end
user
space
post
about
the
end
user
discussion
groups.
So
hopefully
that
will
like
I
gotta,
do
more
promotion
but
yeah,
Ken
and
Ryan.
If,
if
you
know
end
users,
who'll
be
interested
in
participating,
definitely
let
them
know
and
of
course
like
you,
are
welcome
to
hop
on
and
ask
questions
as
well
and.
D
It's
a
vendor
neutral
space.
So
obviously
just
you
know
no
product
pages,
but
you're
welcome
to
ask
questions
and
you
can
share
information,
that's
shared,
but
just
not
who
said
it.
E
So
the
Mio
version
is
on
November
15th,
we're
still
expecting
Martin
and
Michael
to
host
that.
E
Think
we
should
check
in
with
them
and
I
feel
like
there
was
some
kind
of
weirdness
with
the
zoom
meeting
from
the
Americas
Discussion
Group
last
time,
I
think
Rin
you
had
to
like
log
in
or
something
we're
all
stuck
in
a
week,
a
waiting
room.
E
We
need
to
figure
out
the
zoom
like
host
controls,
if
you
will
so
that
whoever
is
hosting
doesn't
have
to
like
can
get
controller
access
to
that
account.
Martin
has
control
to
that.
Zoom
account
right.
G
Yeah
Martin's
using
his
own
account.
That's
why
we
set
it
up
that
way.
I
mean
if
we're
gonna
have
one
reliable
host.
We
could
use
their
account.
E
E
So
then
we
move
to
zoom,
because
Zoom
also
allows
like
to
kick
people
in
the
event
that
they
are
super
disruptive,
so
I
think
Zoom
is
a
good
platform
yeah.
It's
just
a
challenge
to
find
a.
F
E
F
E
E
D
I'm,
just
letting
your
any
interested
end
users
and
your
teams
know
about
them.
If
they're
interested
in
asking
questions
around
like
implementation
best
practices,
what
other
end
users
are
doing,
did
you
did
either
of
you,
Ken
or
Ryan?
Have
any
questions
about
the
discussion
group
or
anything
else
that
we've
talked
about.
B
Yeah
I
was
trying
to
find
the
the
document
documentation
in
GitHub.
That
kind
of
like
explains
it
a
little
bit
or
has
like
linked
to
past
ones,
but
I
couldn't
find
it.
So
if
anyone
could
share
that
out,
it'd
be
awesome,
not.
B
B
D
E
And
Ryan
I'm
throwing
the
GitHub
Link
in
the
chat,
and
so
you
can
see
all
of
the
assets
moves
very
nicely
into
our
next
topic
about
what
is
this
working
group
all
about?
And
so
fundamentally,
this
work
group
has
a
couple
different
work
streams.
One
is
end
user
interviews.
That's
we
kind
of
talked
a
little
bit
about
that
inside
that
GitHub
link.
You
will
find
some
of
the
past
ones
under
end
user
interview
outcomes.
It
looks
like
we
only
have
two
and
we
should
have
more
than
that.
E
So
the
customer
interviews,
and
then
we
also
do
end
user
surveys,
and
so
the
open,
Telemetry
Community
survey
is
facilitated
by
this
group
here
and
so
right
now,
there's
only
one
survey:
it's
like
a
general
likert
type
recommendation,
npsc
type
survey
and
so
as
a
product
manager
you
can
get.
You
may
find
this
particularly
interesting
of
like
ratings
of
certain
areas
of
the
project,
and
so
you
can
find
the
anonymized
results,
also
in
that
GitHub
space
as
well.
E
But
there
are
more
surveys
planned
in
the
future
that
like
tackle
specific
items
such
as
like
installation
and
configuration
surveys,
but
those
need
to
be
specific
to
each
of
the
language
cigs
in
some
way,
and
so
right
now
it's
just
this
like
General,
NPS
type
survey
and
then
additionally,
in
this
subdirectory
you'll,
find
Discussion
Group
information
about
like
what
the
discussion
groups
are
and
fundamentally
it's
just
a
a
virtual
Meetup
type
event
that
we
host
in
Europe
PN,
friendly
time
zones
and
American
friendly
time
zones
and
we're
trying
to
find
a
asia-pacific
facilitator
for
time
zones
for
those
folks,
and
so
it
just
like
Chatham
House
Rules,
as
Reef
said
lean
coffee
style
if
you're
familiar
with
that
of
just
get
together
and
talk
about
challenges,
but
Ken's
suggestion
of
like
backpacking
off
of
existing
meetups
I,
wonder
from
a
promotion
standpoint.
E
If
there
are
some
meetups
that
would
want
to
like
cross
post
the
existence
of
this
one
to
say
Hey,
you
have
open
Telemetry
specific
questions.
Here
is
a
here's,
a
group
for
you
that
does
happen
on
a
monthly
Cadence
which,
but
it's
all
virtual
and
so
I
wonder
if
that
might
be
good
from
a
promotion
standpoint,
because
we
we
get
a
lot
of
different
a
lot
of
vendor
interest.
E
But
the
number
of
end
users
who
are
in
those
sessions
is
a
little
bit
small
right
now,
but
all
the
end,
users
who
have
showed
up,
have
shown
appreciation
and
like
highly
rated
the
sessions,
because
they
can
talk
back
and
forth
about
tangible
use
cases
and
trying
to
like.
Well,
how
did
you
approach
securing
The,
Collector
endpoint,
you
know,
and
so
those
are
really
great
can
maybe
from
a
like
how
to
help
encourage
adoption
of
just
other
other
folks
there.
E
But
certainly
vendors
are
very
interested
in
some
of
these
discussions
as
well.
A
Yeah
I
could
see
there
being
lots
of
interest
from
like
Java
user
groups,
because
a
lot
of
those
folks
are
probably
doing
a
lot
around
observability,
hopefully
with
open
Telemetry
I
know
there
are
some
open,
Telemetry,
Java,
specific
meetings,
but
they're
more
on
the
maintainer
side
and
less
on
the
user
asking
question
side.
So
that
would
be
of
interest.
E
Yeah
absolutely
and
then
there's.
We
started
like
a
non-public
slack
channel
in
cncf
slack
for
end
users,
with
the
goal
of
like
help.
Having
there's
been
a
variety
of
concerns
raised
over
the
course
of
the
last
year
about
being
like
Oh
I'm,
going
in
public
and
saying
I'm
having
a
lot
of
problems.
I
need
help,
and
so
a
number
of
end
users
haven't
felt
comfortable
posting
publicly
because
of
General
concerns
about
that
being
taken
out
of
context.
And
so
that's
why
we've
got
a
private
slack
channel.
E
In
addition
to
being
able
to
like.
If
somebody
is
in
there
and
not
following
the
rules,
we
can
kick
them
from
that
channel.
It's
never
been
a
problem,
but
we
do
have
a
code
of
conduct
again
in
that
GitHub
space
for
folks
to
be
in
part
of
that
channel.
But
it's
not
very
active
and
so
I
wish.
E
That
would
be
more
active
and
be
able
to
be
more
like
timely,
instead
of
being
like
Oh
I
have
to
wait
for
the
next
monthly
User
Group
to
ask
a
question
to
other
end
users
and
so
to
provide
that
just
that
space
for
end
users
to
connect
out
of
public
generally
public
visibility.
A
Yeah
I'm
just
thinking
because
I
know
I,
think
I
only
found
out
about
it
through
Rhys,
because
I
was
a
candidate
for
the
otor
governors
committee
and
Rhys
reached
out
and
was
like.
Oh,
you
might
be
interested
in
this
like
oh,
okay,
I
didn't
even
I.
Don't
think
I'd
I
can't
recall
if
I'd
heard
of
it
before
so.
E
Yeah,
this
is
the
awareness
challenge
that
I
think
is
a
general
theme,
and
here
is
how
do
we
help
end
users
become
aware
of
these
new
and
emerging
events,
and
we
didn't
even
talk
about
hotel
and
practice,
which
is
kind
of
a
more
slightly
structured
event.
That
Rin
can
give
a
quick
explanation
for.
C
Yeah
hotel
in
practice
is
a
more
structured
event
where
we
have
a
speaker
and
oh.
G
Where
we
have
a
speaker-
and
we
actually
have
two
speakers-
we
have
one
who's,
an
end
user,
who's
implementing
and
one
who's,
typically
a
developer
Advocate,
but
could
be
somebody
else
who
is
speaking
about
like
how
to
actually
do
the
thing
at
code
level.
So
so
far,
we've
had
them
for
kubernetes
and
Dot
net
and
I
expect
to
do
those
languages
again,
but
would
like
to
run
more
languages.
F
E
All
right
so
for
the
new
folks,
any
particular
questions.
Do
you
feel,
like
you,
have
a
better
sense
of
what
the
this
end
user
working
group
is
about.
B
E
Great
I
I
think
of
this,
as
kind
of
like
the
facilitation
meeting,
but
occasionally
at
least
twice
in
the
past.
We've
had
an
end
user
show
up
during
this
time
and
do
that
byoc
customer
interview
in
a
a
very
structured
way,
well
pretty
structured,
and
so
those
are
meant
to
be
public.
E
It's
just
again,
it's
a.
How
do
we
share
that?
These
things
are
happening
for
interested
parties
who
would
like
to
watch
or
listen
or
have
actual
questions
for
end
users,
because
I
think
that's
one
of
the
Challenger
challenges
for
the
maintainers
of
the
project
as
a
whole.
Is
that
like
they
may
be
working
for
a
vendor
and
they
may
be
on
vendor
specific
calls,
but
they
don't
necessarily
have
the
opportunity
to
directly
interact
with
end
users
in
a
like
Community
focused.
F
E
F
E
Okay,
final
item
workday
welcome
from
an
end
user
perspective.
How
can
we
help
like
connect
you
to
stuff
in
the
community?
You
said
you're
working
on
adopting
it
and
it
hasn't
happened
yet
do
how
to
help.
A
Short
answer
is
I.
Don't
really
know
right
now,
a
lot
of
the
challenges
we
have
just
well,
I
guess
it's
twofold:
one
is
the
sheer
volume
of
telemetry
of
various
signals
that
we
already
have
today,
so
changing
what
that's
provided
in
is
no
small
task
and
to
my
group,
is
in
the
middle
of
re-platform,
forming
the
whole
observability
stack
onto
AWS
and
has
been
for
the
last
18
months
and
will
be
for
another
12
to
18
months.
A
So
this
is
one
of
these
I'm
trying
to
sneak
it
in
where
I
can,
where
it
makes
sense,
but
trying
to
make
a
huge
effort
around
that
right
now
is
just
not
on
the
cards.
I
can
see.
The
first
thing
we're
potentially
going
to
utilize
is
maybe
The
Collector
and
some
pipelines
there
to
do
some
level
of
collection
and
aggregation
for
some
pieces
just
to
get
it
in
the
door.
So
to
speak.
A
And
maybe
the
next
step
is
trying
to
get
alignment
and
agreement
around
introducing
the
semantic
conventions
for
open
Telemetry
for
the
data,
even
if
it's
not
being
transmitted
in
otlp,
then
at
least
it's
aligning
to
the
standard.
But
that's
something
I
need
to
start
some
discussions
on.
E
E
Wait
until
that
risk
of
change
is
matches
better
with
their
organization's
appetite
for
it,
but
getting
more
involved
in
the
community
community,
occasionally
so
the
Amazon
AWS
product
manager
he's
based
in
Europe,
but
sometimes
he
will
find
him
in
these
discussions.
So
yeah
yeah,
I.
E
Okay,
perfect,
and
so
he
that's,
the
Michael
that
I
met
was
facilitating
the
European
end
user
discussion
groups,
okay,
and
so
he
yeah
as
long
as
you've
got
a
good
communication
to
him,
because
I
think
that's
one
of
the
great
values
of
being
part
of
the
community
is
getting
engagement
and
access
to
some
of
the
folks
who
are
making
decisions
that
make
your
life
easier
and
you
can
help
influence
the
road
maps
of
all
of
the
various
vendors.
E
A
E
Yep
I
I've
also
seen
organizations
be
like
okay,
we're
drawing
a
line
Line
in
the
Sand.
All
new
stuff
will
be
on
open
Telemetry
and
eventually,
hopefully,
vendors
will
come
out
with
some
kind
of
solution.
You
mentioned
aggregating
everything
at
the
collector
level.
Vendors
have
a
solution
for
some
of
these
proprietary
products
to
to
help
meet
that
use
case
because
I
don't
know,
I
gravitate
towards
that.
One
I
think
that's
one
of
the
most
valuable
parts
of
open,
Telemetry,
yeah.
E
Well,
if
there
are
thank
you,
our
questions
or
places
that
we
can
point
you
to
Rin
and
Reese
are
great
resources
from
especially
from
that
like
early
adoption
standpoint,
because
they
know
where
a
lot
of
the
great
talks
are
a
lot
of
the
great
documentation,
because
this
is
what
they
do
every
day
and
so
they're
wonderful
resources
to
chat
with.
E
But
if
there's
anything
the
community
can
do
awesome.
Also
to
see
you
run
for
governance
committee,
I,
think,
voices,
end
user
voices
on
the
GC
would
be
a
great
thing
and
I
know
that
JC
is
talking
about
this
challenge
right
now
of
how
to
incorporate
end
user
voices
more
directly
over
there
yeah.
A
I
I'm
friends
with
Yuka
who's
on
the
GC
right
now,
and
he
was
the
one
who
pushed
me
to
submit
for
the
GC
this
time
but
yeah
he
and
I
were
talking.
Maybe
a
couple
weeks
back
and
I
I
think
I'd
suggested
to
him
some
kind
of
minimum
level
of
end
users
on
the
GC,
not
necessarily
for
per
election,
but
just
in
a
totality
sense,
so
I
think
he
was
going
to
bring
back
that
to
the
committee
and
see
what
thoughts
were
it.
A
E
And
so
we
work
with
members
of
the
GC
pretty
closely
to
try
to
bring
that
voice
back
because
a
lot
of
these
I
don't
know.
It's
just
sad
to
me
because,
like
we
will
interview
lots
of
customers
as
a
vendor
and
then
that
data
and
information
and
insights
kind
of
gets
locked
away
in
the
vendor
space
and
I'm
like
how
do
we?
How
do
we
break
it
out
and
get
into
the
community?
And
so
some
of
those
surveys?
E
Some
of
that,
like
direct
opportunity
to
chat
with
the
maintainers
at
an
event.
Type
of
things,
is
the
approach
that
we've
got
right
now
on
how
to
try
to
unlock
that
a
little
bit.
A
Yeah
and
I've
certainly
seen
some
challenges,
certainly
of
late
in
some
discussions
around
logging
and
event
apis
and
things
like
that,
where
it's.
You
definitely
want
that
user
perspective,
because
they're
the
ones
they're
going
to
have
to
code
against
it
and
that
it's
often
a
lot
of
vendors
disagreeing
with
each
other.
A
And
so
it's
like
it's
helpful,
but
it
doesn't
really
help
that
much
unless
you've
got
end
users
saying
that
just
looks
silly
or
I,
don't
think
that's
going
to
work
or
whatever
it
is
because
they're
the
ones
are
going
to
have
to
actually
do
it
so
yeah
I,
definitely
think
and
More
in
user
involvement
is
critical
to
the
success
of
hotel.
E
A
Now
that
would
be
interesting
and
I
I
guess
you
could
also
tie
into
that
if
there
was
appetite
for
it.
For
those
end
users
to
do
some
kind
of
minimal
POC
with
the
apis
as
they
stand,
so
that
they
can
try
it
out
and
be
like
okay
yeah,
this
makes
sense
or
no.
This
is
really
weird.
What
can
we
do
about
this.
D
Real
quick
since
we
talked
about
December
8th
being
the
next
working
group,
meeting,
I
just
checked
and
I
guess,
Rich,
Vic
and
Ted
are
all
available.
December
8th,
so
I
think
we're
going
to
go
ahead
with
December
8th
for
that
end,
user
interview.
D
A
E
E
Yeah
I
think
that's
definitely
an
interesting
like
potential
use
case
and
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
ways
that
we
could
maybe
help
facilitate
that
a
little
bit
I.
Think
fundamentally,
this
group
tries
to
help
facilitate
exactly
what
you're
talking
about
Ken
cool,
something
to
think
about
for
sure.
B
I,
don't
think
so.
This
has
been
yeah.
This
has
been
really
great,
I
guess
like
how
can
I?
How
can
I
be
most
helpful?
You
know.
Is
there?
Is
there
anything
like
immediately?
You
think
you
need
help
with
happy
to
jump
in
wherever
yeah.
E
D
F
D
D
Oh
sure,
I
think
you
were
can
I
say
something
well.
E
I
was
just
Ryan
if
you're
aware
of
certain
user
groups
that
you
think
would
be
interested
or
complimentary
to
hotel
that
we
could
potentially
backpack
off
of
very
interested
in
hearing
your
thoughts.
Additionally,
in
case
you
don't
know,
we
have
a
slack
Channel.
It
is
called
otel
user
research
on
cncf
slack,
that's
kind
of
where
we
hang
out.
Members
of
this
working
group
hang
out
in
there
so
as
a
good
way
to
catch
up
with
the
group
as
a
whole
in
between
discussions
and
meetings
from
a
product
management
perspective.
E
We're
definitely
interested
if
you
wanted
to
check
out
kind
of
like
the
byoc
customer
interview,
the
guide,
the
template,
the
best
practices
and
potentially
finding
an
end
user
who
would
like
to
come
and
talk
to
the
community.
So
definitely
any
of
those
things
cut
your
interest,
we'd
appreciate
it.
B
E
Awesome
well
folks,
somehow
it's
like
almost
the
end
of
the
year
like
we're
talking
about
December,
all
of
a
sudden,
so
I
I
hope
everybody
stays
warm
and
we
will
catch
up
with
you
some
somewhere
in
the
future.