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A
Hey
it's
evan,
james,
hey
ted!
What's
going
on
nothing
much.
B
A
C
Yeah,
what
what
have
you
got
planned
for
spain?
Anything.
B
You
know,
unfortunately,
I
can't
I
have
to
be
be
back
here
the
weekend
after
so
I
don't.
I
don't
actually
get
to
to
spend
like
like
too
too
much
time
vacationing
around,
but
it's
in
valencia,
so
hopefully
I'll
get
to
sightsee
around
the
city
of
valencia
but
yeah
I
gotta.
I
could
be
there
and
back
again,
but
not
enough
for
toba
reason.
I've
got
there's
a
festival
here
like
the
weekend.
After
all
of
that
called
soak,
which
is
like
it's
like
the
regional
burning
man,
oh
that'd,
be.
B
That
would
be
fun,
hopefully
it
doesn't
actually
rain.
No,
there
there's
usually
like
a
a
burn
the
same
way
they
do
at
the
the
big
burn.
But
it's
it's
it's
in
a
nice
river
valley
instead
of
a
desert.
So
that's
that's
a
step
up,
but
it's
it's
not
as
big,
but
it
should
be
a
good
time.
C
Good
good,
I'm
good
yeah,
sorry,
I'm
just
I'm
just
gonna
leave
but
I'll
come
say
hi
in
a
second
yeah.
Sorry,
that's
just
someone!
That's
gotten
here
from
adelaide,
oh
cool,
oh,
which
is
cool
yeah
yeah.
Oh
man.
I've
always
wanted
to
go
to
a
something
like
that.
I
hear
a
lot
about
those
kinds
of
things:
that's
really
fun.
A
B
But
yeah
I
don't.
I
don't
have
a
lot
to
report
back
to
this
group
just
to
mention
I'll,
be
I'll
be
out
next
week
and
I
might
be
able
to
make
it
to
the
meeting
after
that,
but
I
might
be
packing
up
and
getting
out
of
town
so
we'll
see,
but
I
it
does
look
like
ludmila's
changes
didn't
make
it
into
the
version
of
the
spec
that
just
got
released
so
we'll
want
to
wait
till
the
next
spec
release
to
probably
before
we
start
instrumenting
but
yeah.
B
That's,
I
think,
just
my
standing
request.
If
people
could
find
help
to
think
about
starting
to
just
overhaul
the
http
instrumentation
that
we
have
out
there.
I
honestly
don't
think
it'll
take
that
long
to
update
the
stuff.
That's
already
there.
C
Yeah
I
had
I
had
a
look
at
some
of
the
java
stuff
and
it
I
mean
it's
impossible
to
look
at
all
of
it
because
there's
so
much
of
it
but
yeah.
I
had
to
look
retries
and
redirect
that's
something
already
merged
yep.
It
looks
like
a
lot
of
like
I'd,
say.
Most
of
the
instrumentation
doesn't
really
have
access
to
that
information
of
like
retries
and
redirects,
it's
kind
of
just
like
if
they're
instrumenting,
a
library
that
doesn't
redirect
it's
like
not
exposed.
C
That
kind
of
thing,
so
I
guess
in
terms
of
that
sense,
it
should
be.
If
you
can
instrument
reaches
redirects,
then
you
should.
I
guess
I
think,
that's
the
wedding
yeah
I
haven't
looked
at
the
optional
verse
required
stuff
yeah
at
all.
B
C
B
It
initialized
and
all
that
stuff,
but
once
once
that's
been
done,
the
the
work
of
just
changing
around
what
attributes,
you're,
recording
and
stuff
like
that,
that's
that
you
shouldn't
shouldn't
be
hard
for
us
to
do.
But
yeah
I've
been
a
little
wondering
about
whether
or
not
like,
like
in
how
many
places
do.
B
Are
we
instrumenting
libraries
at
the
at
the
level
where
they're
they're
gonna
know
about
things
like
like
retries
and
redirects?
It
seems
like
those
tend
to
be
higher
level.
B
B
B
If,
if
it
turns
out
we
we
we
can
do
it
almost
nowhere,
then
I
think
we
need
to
think
about
what
what
that
means.
Like
does
that
mean
like
end
users
are
doing
that
or
does
it
mean
we
need
to
like
add,
like
instrumentation,
for
higher
level
objects,
maybe
that
we
never
bothered
to
instrument
because
they
were
just
making
use
of
some
lower
level
thing
and
java?
B
I
know
that's
like
a
common
pattern
or,
at
any
rate,
there's
been
like
an
issue
in
java
of
like
re-instrumenting
the
same
thing
at
like
three
three
different
layers,
so
I
don't
know,
but
I
think
that's
that's
probably
the
one
thing
to
look
for
is
whether
we
can
actually
do
that
stuff
with
the
instrumentation.
We
have.
D
Right,
like
a
for
interesting
rex,
actually
based
on
my
experimentations
with
different
languages
like
it's
possible
to
do
for
that
net,
it's
possible
to
do
like
a
by
instrumentation
library
by
basically
by
sdk,
in.net
and
java
and
in
python,
so
it
will
confirm
that
it's
not
so
that
that's
simple
to
do
that
in
javascript
or
actually
in
javascript.
You
know
everything
is
kind
of
a
mess
so
yeah,
but
for
all
the
like
these
three
languages
at
least
for
different
languages.
That's
that's
not
not
an
issue
to
do
that.
D
It's
like
another
way
another
question
as
to
how
to
do
this
with
with
links
so
that
this
was
a
kind
of
the
department
was
initial
of
the
initial
proposal.
D
But
there
is
like
a
separate
discussion
happening
right
now
for
links,
I
believe-
and
it's
not
really
financed
yet
so
yeah,
so
it's
like
generally,
it
should
be.
It
should
be
possible
to
do
that
so
and
that's
the
exactly
the
wording
that
we
currently
have
in
spec
yeah,
but
that's
that's,
was
something
I
did
actually
several
months
ago,
so
yeah,
but
for
for
the
last
for
the
last
two
weeks.
Actually,
I
wasn't
able
to
get
any
cycles
on
this
work.
I
had
a
lot
of
things
to
do
internally.
D
I
was
on
call
during
last
week
and
my
stuff
so
yeah,
but
for
this
week
actually
I
got
some
plans
to
actually
go
ahead
with
this.net
team.
So
looks
like
dotnet
team
for
like
opentseller.net
team.
They
have
spare
cycles
to
to
to
to
look
into
this
and
actually
to
to
make
it
merged,
so
the
dpr
is
already
there.
I
need
to
like
update
it
a
bit
and
also
I
had
some
plans
to
work
with
with
spider
folks
this
week
so
cool,
that's
that's
my
status
and
probably
I
will.
B
Sweet
dennis
was
there,
so
there
was
like
v2
stuff
should
we,
I
think
you
had
an
idea
about
about.
Some
of
that.
Is
that
something
you
want
to
start
digging
into
at
this
point
or.
D
I
would
definitely
be
like
interesting
to
help
with
with
this
all
the
stuff
that
we
have
listed
for
week
two,
but
currently
I
don't
have
enough
kind
of
capacity
to
actually
to
to
drive
it,
or
you
know
to
look
into
this
like
a
detailed
way.
Okay,
so
yeah
there
was
a
bunch
of
items,
including
this.
You
know
http
based
streaming
or
jrpc
and
websockets.
Are
there
long
running
operations
so
a
lot
of
different
scenarios
we
have
postponed
for
we
too.
B
I
think
a
next
step
might
be.
I
don't
know
that
we
have
issues
created
for
all
of
these
issues.
For
all
these
things,.
D
So
actually
that's
a
good
question.
It
might
be
some
issues
created
by
folks
like
previously,
and
maybe
there
were
some
new
issues
need
to
double
check:
okay,
so
yeah.
But
you
know
it's
like
a
you
kind
of
expected
that
folks
can
just
chime
in
and
ask
some
questions
how
I
need
to
do
that
or
how
I
need
to
do
that.
So
that
might
be
something
that
we
can
double
check,
but.
B
Yeah,
there's
yeah,
it's
a
project
board.
I
I
hear
you
about
not
having
the
cycles
I'm
not
going
to
have
cycles
either
with
kubecon
and
everything
at
least
until
I'm.
Like
back
you
know,
you
know
a
couple
weeks
I'll
have
cycles,
but
if
you,
if
you
have
time
to
write
your
your
thoughts
down
as
some
issues
and
get
them
on
the
board,
I
think
that
probably
be
helpful.
If
you
just,
I
think,
you've
thought
about
this
stuff
more
than
the
rest
of
us.
D
Yep
make
sense.
I
already
have
this
this
some
some
some
some
of
the
things
listed
in
in
that
old
tab.
It
was
created
a
long
time
ago
and
yeah
we
can.
We
can
also
like
continue
working.
Yes,.
B
Yeah,
if
we
just
pull
them
out
into
separate
issues
and
put
them
on
the
the
v2
section
of
that
board
and
get
them
labeled,
that'll
increase
the
likelihood
that
that
other
people
finish
them
out
early
and
also
create
a
place
to
maybe
have
some
discussion
about
him
outside
of
this
this
group.
So
I
think
that
would
be
my
my
one
ask
other
than
that.
It
might
be
quiet
around
here
for
the
next
couple
weeks
from
the
sound
of
it.
B
Cool
well,
does
anyone
have
any
other
topics
to
discuss.
C
The
only
other
thing
that
I
was
going
to
tell
you
ted
is
that
I
found
a
pair
of
light
step
socks
under
one
of
the
desks
around
here.
So
now
I've
got
a
pair
of
light
step,
socks,
awesome
yeah.
Are
they
new
or
old,
like
they're,
new
they're
still
in
the
packet
they're
like
they're
like
blue
and
white,
and
they
and
they
have
like
the
logo
and
yeah
they're
completely
new,
so
I'll
have.
B
B
A
C
That's
like
a:
what
do
you.
A
C
B
B
B
Yeah
all
right
well
yeah,
I
think
yeah,
I'm
gonna
be
probably
out
for
the
next
week
or
two
and
when
I
get
back
hopefully
that
stuff's
been
merged
into
the
spec
I'll
try
to
help
get
some
of
this
instrumentation
pushed
over
the
finish
line,
at
least
making
sure
go,
is
is
done
and
maybe
see
if
I
can
get
matt
weir
to
help
get
the
the
ruby
stuff
updated.
B
C
B
But
my
my
hope
is
having
gone
through
all
this
stuff
with
http,
I
I
know
there's
interest
in
continuing
it
on
with
other
database
and
like
other
things,
so
my
my
hope
is
that
there's,
maybe
some
like
collective
understanding
about
how
to
do
this
and
and
there'll
be
more
structure
in
place
for
the
tc
to
to
pay
attention
to
this
stuff.
B
So
my
hope
is
me
me
disappearing
for
a
couple
months
won't
derail
the
effort
to
to
keep
on
slogging
through
the
rest
of
the
semantic
conventions,
because
I
I
know
at
least
at
microsoft,
and
certainly
some
other
places.
People
want
to
want
to
get
them
done,
but
just
to
just
to
warn
you
so
I'm
gonna
try
to
spend
june
doing
what
I
can
to
to
make
sure.
There's
there's
attention
from
from
other
people
so
that
that
work
can
continue.