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A
A
The
last
part
you
said
it
would
be
nice
to
have
it
later
in
the
morning.
Is
that
what
you
said.
A
Yeah,
I
guess
that
that's
kind
of
the
question
what
what
makes
most
sense
for
some
of
these
key
members.
So
you
think
that
there
would
be
more
involvement
if
it
was
in
a
later
afternoon,
time
frame.
B
A
Yeah
carlos
is
like
nine
hours
ahead
from
the
west
coast,
so
yeah
afternoon
would
probably
be
difficult
for
carlos
to
deal
with,
but
I
think
he
he
might
normally
potentially
go
up
to
12,
maybe
latest
one.
B
A
Yeah
yeah,
no,
I
I
know
that
agree.
A
So
it's
really
just
a
question
of
choosing
an
appropriate
time
that
might
draw
the
folks.
I
know
the
meetings
are
kind
of
an
issue
as
a
whole
for
everyone
right
in
terms
of
finding
the
right,
the
time
frame
there,
but
yeah.
I
be
good
to
be
able
to
find
a
time
that
you
know
will
attract
more
folks,
potentially
hey
carlos
we're
talking
about
the
time
for
this
meeting,
and
maybe
how
we
could.
A
You
know
find
a
time
that
might
draw
more
folks
and
one
potential
perhaps
is
later
in
the
morning
or
perhaps
early
after
you
know,
sometime
in
the
afternoon,
there's
probably
not
going
to
be
one
perfect
time.
Obviously,
with
such
a
wide
group
of
individuals,
yeah.
C
A
For
the
open,
telemetry
group
right,
the
tc
members
are
effectively
the
ones
that
you
know
can
adjudicate
and
make
the
assessment
decide
so
having
I
think
early
on,
as
we
started
putting
this
session
together,
it
was
thought
of
having
some
type
of
quorum
right
to
be
able
to
to
have
effective
meetings,
and
so
far
we
haven't
quite
quite
got
there.
C
A
When,
when
you
guys
have
had
discussions
with
the
tc
group,
when
they
got
together
any
basic
feeling
about
this
activity
and
their
support
of
it
or
what
you're
feeling
there.
A
C
So
anything
that
is
not
causing
problems,
it's
allows,
let's
say,
but
people
are
not
so
motivated
to
do
something
you
know.
So
I
guess
that's
yeah
neutral,
but
you
know
with
the
context
I
gave
you
yeah.
I
think
we
should
try
to
bring
some
people
that
have
been
helpful
in
the
past
as
armin,
but
armin
has
I
mean
he
used
to
come
to
this
meeting.
So
maybe
we
just
need
to
change.
You
know
the
time
for
him
to
come.
C
Digging
up
could
be
interested,
but
he's
probably
full
like
too
busy.
I
think
julian
bogdan
probably
wouldn't
come
anyway
honestly
and
the
collector,
for
example,
right
now
like
now
that
alex
is
out.
You
know,
there's
so
much
work
and
I
can
imagine
what
can
be
used
in
every
time.
You
know
every
minute,
so
let's
try
to
get
the
most
pc
members.
We
can
and
go
with
that.
C
B
I
I
remember
josh
story's
convention,
not
only
the
time
for
him.
A
A
I
think
it
would
be
good,
maybe
in
the
next
tc
forum,
that
you
guys
are
involved
with
to
raise
that
question
when
you
create.
A
Okay,
all
right
thanks
for
that,
riley.
A
Okay,
yeah
that'll
be
good.
We
could
just
get
some
general
feeling
there
and
then
we'll
go
from
there
and
then
the
the
other
question
I
had
for
for
us
is.
A
Some
are
being
worked
on
actively
already
some.
The
comments
have
been
put
out
there
and
maybe
no
one
there's
there's
not
a
lot
of
active
engagement.
A
We
we
assess
it
as
is
being
needing
more
information
or
rejected,
or
we
accepted,
but
it's
is
that
enough
in
terms
of
making
sure
that
there's
movement
occurring
for
you,
these
items,
you
know
for
some
of
them,
there's
already
a
conversation
going
on.
We
we
put
a
tag
under
saying
triage
accepted,
but
that
doesn't
necessarily
change
in
my
mind
that
conversation
that
might
be
going
on
right.
It's
just
it's
kind
of
flagging
in
the
log
we
we
think
that
it's
been
accepted,
but.
C
Yeah,
my
suggestion
would
be
to
start
trying
to
you
know
to
poke
more
people,
people
more
think
what
else
we
could
do,
but
also
take
into
consideration
that
the
summer
is
still
happening
and
there's
still
a
lot
of
people
taking
holidays.
This
would
be
the
reason
why
you
know
people
are
not
paying
as
much
attention.
Let's
just
keep
pushing,
but
probably
other
reminder,
but
you
know
september.
If
things
are
still
kind
of
the
stale,
then
we
need
to
do
something
else
or
talk
to
the
community
or
do
something
you
know.
A
Okay,
we'll
follow
up
on
it,
because
my
main
thought
is
also
that
this
meeting
is
is
effective
at
whatever
we're
trying
to
do
in
terms
of
moving
drawing
attention
to
items
that
are
sitting
out
there.
That
need
attention.
Yeah,.
C
A
A
Okay
sounds
good:
let's
go
ahead
and
spend
some
time.
If
we
can
on
a
couple
of
these,
then
let
me
show
my
screen
here:
perfect.
C
A
C
A
B
Yeah
so
carlos
I
I
I
remember
this
and
I
feel
this
is
extracted
or
basically
having
jack
we're
not
going
to
add
anything
in
bag,
but
in
java
you
can
treat
this
as
a
one
off
and
still
bound
to
the
major
version,
the
next
major
version
or
decided
to
give
it.
So
this
that's
one
of
you,
don't
have
to
take
a
break
right
now.
B
C
I
think
that
what
you're
saying
that
needs
to
be
confirmed
by
the
java
community,
so
that's
the
yeah,
so
I
don't
know
how
to
yeah
to
label
them
this
one,
because
it's
like
initial
discussion
is
that
this
won't
be
accepted.
A
So
so
should
we
just
leave
it
there
for
another
week
or
we.
C
Info,
yes
yeah,
I'm
probably
just
like
comment
like
try
again
there's
more
info.
While
we
wait
for
the
javascript
to
come
back
to
us
and
confirm
that
the
initial
you
know,
a
decision
from
the
specsy
is
fine
for
them.
A
A
A
A
C
C
Yeah
but
danielle
yeah.
So
if
that's
the
case,
we
should
anyway
I
mean
what
he's
saying
is
probably
changing.
C
Changing
something
you
know
anyway,
but
I
I
could
say
that
it's
for
discussion
item-
and
this
is
also
coming
from
legend
cast,
which
is,
if
I
remember
correctly,
helping
implement
the
javascript
metrics
sdk.
So
it's
a
valid
concern,
so
I
could
say
it's
accepted.
A
B
I
feel
it
needs
more
info
because
he's
asking
for
some
questions
and
the
site
currently
is
very
clear.
It's
saying
it's
not
using
strong
words
for
a
reason
and
okay,
if
you
scroll
very
down
to
christian,
he
is
asking
just
to
raise
unto
macd,
because
he
has
no
idea
whether
what
they
describe
this
part
or
not.
He's
looking
for
feedback.
C
Okay,
so
in
that
case,
yeah,
that's
okay,
we
can
add,
like
we
can
just
sorry
put
this
item
as
needs
more
info,
and
once
this
is
clarified
like
what
the
expectation
is,
we
can
add
that
clarification
to
the
spec
so
like.
If
somebody
comes
to
implement
a
different
language
like
swift,
they
don't
have
to
go
over
this,
but
yeah
that
makes
sense.
A
B
C
B
A
So
the
interest
is
there,
but
it
hasn't
been
moving
forward.
Is
that
what
we're
spending?
B
Carlos
I'm,
I'm
thinking,
maybe
assign
this
issue
to
child
yeah.
Talk
to
him
because
we're
we're
trying
to
clear
the
mental
issue,
and
this
can
be
a
good
input.
So
when
we,
when
we
try
to
figure
out
like
how
we
can
unblock
the
community,
this
might
be
good
example
like
if,
whatever
we
figured
out
there
could
unblock
this
work
stream,
then
we're
probably
doing
the
right
thing.
B
And
carlos
the
technical
thing
code,
so
the
messaging
context,
propagation
and
the
w3c
contact
spec,
they
might
overlap
because
ws
research
that
currently
is
only
stable
for
each
their
ongoing
discussion
about
mqtt.
B
We
talk
about
messaging,
it
can
be
arbitrary
protocol.
So
if
this
one
is
trying
to
build
something
on
the
application
layer
instead
of
the
like
the
mqtt
or
fbm
computer
protocol,
then
they're
fine,
but
ultimately,
when
it
comes
to
those
specific
protocols,
they
have
to
wait
for
the
stability
or
they
decide.
Okay,
we
will
just
ignore
the
w36
content
and
build
our
own
specific
thing
which
might
into
a
conflict
in
the
future
right.
I
feel
that
this
is
a
complicated.
C
B
So
I
I
feel
like
if
it's
augmented
convention,
maybe
drugstores,
and
I
can
help
when
it
comes
to
like
how
to
how
to
sort
out
the
timing
and
maybe
either
decide
to
part
from
the
w365
or
wait
for
it
or
even
make
that
happen.
A
So
I
have
a
hard
stop
after
I
go
off
to
another
meeting
here
at
8
30.,
so
I'm
gonna
have
to
depart.
You
guys
can
continue
if
you
want
to
just
rejoin
next
week.
A
B
C
Yeah,
so
I
I
wanted
to
review
that
as
sticker.
I
mentioned
that
it
needs
like
a
proper
review
like
detail,
something
I
was
curious
about
by
the
way-
and
this
is
probably
the
lack
of
of
agreement
on
the
details.
Let's
say
is
that
my
impression
is
that
we
were
going
to
revert
everything
that
was
done
in
this
direction,
so
we
could
come
back
completely
back
to
what
we
had
before
in
the
past
release
and
then
discuss
whether
splitting
a
metric
like
this
is
a
good
idea
or
not.
C
But
now
I
see
that
that.
B
Only
reverted,
I
know
what
you're
doing
saying
like
he's:
cherry-picking
he's
only
partially
rewarded
and
encountered.
B
And-
and
I
I
believe,
the
reason
we
have
some
mental
rules
saying
if
the
thing
adds
up
to
a
total
that
makes
sense,
then
they
should
use
different
dimensions
like
the
attributes
instead
of
having
separate
metric
stream
or
instrument
name,
but
for
a
certain
situation,
like
the
the
disk
reason,
writes
multiple
total,
so
it
makes
zero
sense
to
have
read
on
the
right
hand,
direction
and
and
for
versions
like
that,
I
I
feel
like
either
we
can
reverse
knowing
this
is
a
bug
we
decide
to
carry
forward
and
fix
later,
or
maybe
we
know
clearly,
this
doesn't
even
follow
the
current
meta
rule.
B
So
let's
fix
that
issue
right
now,
so
I
I
think
either
way
it's
okay
serve
the
purpose,
but
I
agree
with
you
like
what
exactly
we
talk
about
in
fact,
meeting
is
support
the
entire
pr
so
just
to
say,
like
we
don't
try
to
solve
this
issue
in
history,
just
go
and
release
with
this
issue.
Let's
come
back
later
so
yeah,
okay,.
C
B
And
and
then
another
thing
I'm
like
I,
I
try
to
keep
silent
because
I
I
think
it's
all
right,
like
we're
already
struggling
too
much,
and
although
I
have
strong
opinion
that
maybe
I'll
I'll
just
slow
us
even
like
even
down
if
I
brought
a
topic,
but
just
just
within
this
smaller
group,
I
I
don't
even
think
this
should
block
the
release
like
all
of
the
candidates
here
are
experimental.
It's
not
something
super
significant
and
I
think
release
is
the
high
order
bit.
C
Yeah
yeah,
that's
the
other
thing
I
think.
Actually
we
should.
I
mean,
I
think
that
for
the
time
being,
we
should
go
ahead
with
this
pr
just
to
block
ourselves,
but
we
should
clarify
first
well
something
for
this.
You
know
for
this
like
going
forward.
What's
the
rule,
do
we
allow
it
for
some
cases
or
no
cases
and
second
yeah?
It's
like
hey.
C
Technically,
we
are
still
allowed
to
do
this.
So
what's
the
expectations
like
you
know
like
we'll,
we
cannot
be
doing
that
so
yeah.
We
should
clarify.
I
suspect
that
this
are
things
that
we
should
probably
clarify
in
the
tc
meeting
in
the
spec.
Of
course,
people
can
say,
but
this
mostly
applies
to
the
dc.
C
Like
you
know,
basically
helping
lead
and
say
you
know,
technically
we
don't
technically,
we
are
allowed
to
break
things.
You
know
still
because
this
is
still
experimental,
so
yeah.
B
Anyways
go
back
to
the
age
of
the
page,
so
we
only
have
two
lines:
the
consistency
of
component
naming
the
log
size,
yeah
log,
processor
versus
log
record,
processing.
C
C
B
It's
very
important
because
you
can
see
the
semantic
convention
stick
or
the
instrumentation
state
right.
They
don't
even
know
what
what
correct
the
term
they're
talking
about
and
yeah
folks
have
been
spending
a
lot
of
time
there.
They
do
a
lot
of
work
like
like
the
http
folks,
they've
done
tremendous
amount
of
work
and
they
ended
up
nowhere.
B
C
B
B
C
Perfect
yeah,
let's
yeah,
okay,
perfect.
C
Perfect,
okay,
so
going
back
to
the
discussion
on
the
timing
for
the
meeting,
let's
ask
aramin!
Well,
I
guess
all
the
tc.
You
know
in
case
there's
a
better
timing
for
them,
maybe
post
the
doodle
a
little
you
know,
but
in
general,
as
I
said
before,
I
think
armin
used
to
help
a
lot
and
come
to
these
meetings.
So
maybe
we
can
try.
You
know,
as
I
said,
the
other
members
are
not
very
active
or
very
busy.
B
So
in
the
past,
like
like
even
when
anita
was
here,
we
had
a
friday
kid
and
I
was
done
in
almost
every
single
and
I
haven't
seen
many
people
numbers
and
at
that
time
we
tried
to
ping
them
and
I
feel,
like
friday
morning
is
just
a
bad
time
for
most
of
the
phone
and
even
at
the
time.
I
I
can't
remember
if
I
see
army
probably
never
never
saw
him
in
the
tree.
Like
me,
I
know
he
was
super
active
responding
to
the
request,
but
maybe
that
time
just
didn't
work
for
him.
C
C
Let's,
let's
yeah,
I
don't
know,
I
mean
the
the
other
thing
to
discuss.
I
guess
is
like
how
we
parallelize
stuff
like
if
we
have
more
members
of
the
tc
coming
to
this
meeting,
but
we
have
to
go
all
the
walls
through
each
item.
Probably
that
doesn't
bring
enough
speed,
you
know
and
things
will
get
slow.
You
remember
that
we
used
to
split.
You
know
the
sections
of
issues
so
like
so
probably
that
would
need
to
change
also.
C
B
So
I
remember
previously:
we
do
the
initial
screening,
so
basically
people
look
at
the
issue
and
they
tag
the
issue,
whether
it's
matrix
or
traces
and
after
the
fact,
the
issue
we
we
based
on
the
experience.
If
we
have
high
confidence
like
this
seems
to
make
sense-
and
we
don't
expect
other
folks
would
be
against
that.
Let
me
just
go
and
tag
it
for
things
that
we're
we're
not
sure.
If
it's
on
the
edge,
then
we
hit
it
and
then
we
discuss
that
in
the
mean.
B
See
that
sometimes
I'm
I'm
asking
coaching
questions
because
I
I
mean
I
can
just
go
and
do
it,
but
I
feel
if
I
keep
doing
it
I'll,
be
the
single
blogger
and
and
then
when
I'm
on
vacation
meeting
will
eventually
like
run
like
right
nowhere.
So
I'm
I'm
I'm
trying
to
symbolize
angel,
like
I
worked
with
angel,
try
to
ram
him
up
so
yeah.
I
feel
like.
I
want
ready
to
do
more
here.
C
Yeah
yeah,
I
agree
with
you
on
that
front.
I
think
that
this
the
process
that
we
are
having
currently
without
andrea.
C
B
Just
like
I
used
to
do
it
for
metrics,
like
for
all
the
matrix
issues
right
every
every
morning
I
have
30
minutes.
I
just
go
through
all
the
issues
and
reply
to
the
mantrias
and
and
that
I
think
that
helped
us
to
move
forward
the
magics
back,
but
but
here
I
I
feel
like
having
someone
being
able
to
pull
all
the
other
folks
and
just
like
do
the
the
cat
hurting
game
is
important.
For
example,
if
I
see
as
many
convention
thing
I
I
don't
feel
I'm
the
expert
here.
B
If
I
see
logging
thing,
I
think
we
should
stop
triggering
so
like
how
how
do
we
create
such
energy
and
group
them
together?
I
might
be
able
to
do
some
of
that,
but
not
necessarily
my
core
priority
or
focus
yeah.
If
I
do
that,
then
I'll
be
the
bottom
line.
If
I,
if
I'm
here,
if
I'm
not
on
vacation,
I
have
energy,
then
it
will,
it
will
work
so
for
magic.
B
I
say
like,
like
I
accepted,
to
leave
some
of
the
effort,
because
I
also
got
commitment
from
from
the
two
gauges
and
bogdan
also
mentioned-
he's
not
fully
committed,
but
he's
going
to
help.
B
So
if
we
can
get
like
two
or
three
folks,
we
can
agree
on
like
we
can,
we
can
do
a
rotation
or
maybe
a
similar
like
how
you
drive
the
respect.
Meeting.
It's
not
formal,
but
normally
like
people
expect
you
to
drive
it
and
if
you're
not
there,
then
ironing
or
t-grain
will
pick
up,
and
if
all
of
you
guys
are
late,
then
I'll
try
to
cover
make
sure
we're
not
stuck
okay,
I
feel
we
need
more
and-
and
so
far
I
haven't
seen
many
folks
in
johnny
yeah,
correct.
C
Correct
correct,
as
I
said
before,
I
honestly
think
that
some
of
the
tc
members
would
come
given
their
usual
responsibilities,
but
if
we
could
get
at
least
arming
the
three
of
us
to
really
try
to
come,
I
think
that
tree
and
like
solid
and
even
if
some
of
us
is
taking
holidays
or
two
of
us
at
this
one
person
back
back
in
the
lob.
That
could
be
great
unless
you
think
we
can
try
to
get
the
other
members.
You
know
I
mean
we
should
try
to
offer
them
like
or
facilitating
this.
C
C
Let's
start,
first
with
trying
to
talk
to
them
and
offering
some
kind
of
yeah
some
doodle
to
see
whether
there's
a
better
time
for
this,
I
think
friday
is
still
a
good
one,
but
maybe
changing
the
time
and
if
not
thursday,
probably
I
think
that
mondays,
tuesdays
and
wednesdays
tend
to
be
a
little
bit
more
heavy
in
meetings
as
these.
If
you
check
the
calendar
for
hotel,
you
will
see
that
there's
maintainers
spec
there's
a
collector
a
lot
of
stuff
happening,
but
yeah
tuesday
or
friday,
probably
but
just
different
time.
C
C
Yeah,
but
I
suspect
honestly
because
it's
friday
that
he
may
be
leaving
early,
so
if
you
try
to
move
the
meeting
up
on
friday,
he
won't
and
actually
that's
the
thing
I
don't
know
probably
would
be
too
late
for
you.
I
don't
know
what
time
is
what
time
is
it
for
you
now.
C
Right
so,
okay,
okay,
maybe
then
thursday
calls
instead,
I
don't
know
like
you
know
like,
because
if
we
could
do
it
earlier,
it
means
that
it
will
be
like
seven
or
six
for
you
and
we
will
be
later.
He
won't
make
it
I'm
sure
yeah.
I.
B
Yeah
for
like
like
two
trips
per
week,
or
maybe
we
can
rotate-
and
I
I
can.
I
can
like
just
grab
two
challenges,
so
we
can
do
a
triage
here.
C
Actually,
that's
not
a
good
idea,
yeah!
Let's
do
that.
You
know
and
it's
triaging.
So
it's
relatively
straightforward
and
in
case
there's
disagreement.
We
can
just
say:
hey.
You
know
in
this
alternative
today
I
said
we
decided
to
you
know
to
revert
that
to
from
accepted
to
needs
more
info.
Here
are
the
reasons
and
that's
totally
fine.
You
know.
C
C
You
know
yeah
yeah
and
even
I
would
say
that
even
if
at
some
points
I
am
the
only
person
or
I
mean
the
only
person
for
the
european
one
and
likewise
for
the
american
one,
I
think
that
it's
good
to
have
focus
time
every
week
to
just
go
and
triage,
like
you
know,
focus
time
so
yeah.
I
think
I
think,
there's
value
in
that.
C
Okay.
Okay,
perfect,
all
right!
Thank
you!
So
much
for
bringing
that
yeah.
Let's,
let's
keep
discussing
offline.