Open Telemetry Uncategorized, 5 Dec 2022

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All right: hey, Molly, hey Adriana,.

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Just waiting, I'm I'm, not sure if anybody else is joining so it's a Philip already told it that he's not here and uh Patrice is on PTO right now, but maybe we'll wait another one or two minutes, and then we can get started agenda is still short. So, let's see how much time we need, but yeah.

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Awesome I think I think we can just get started. Let me see if I can share my screen with the browser, because I have some issues with um uh just using the the Sim client. It's.

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The seven year, you're muted, by the way.

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That's super weird thermometer started sharing the screen. It looks like uh it kicked me out from from my audio, that's weird uh anyway, so I'm not sharing my screen so I'm on the browser right now, because my laptop denies me to use zoom I I'm, not sure if this is because we we work for Cisco and they maybe don't like us to use it so just kidding anyways okay. So what I was talking about?

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um We have this one announcement block for the end user working groups uh by Rhys. uh I was just wondering if you Tad are one of the block approvers but I, don't think so uh so I think I have to Ping. So so this blog approvers group anyways, it's it's uh just four people. There I think it's Morgan, a Lolita, Austin and Sergey I'm, not sure if this should be extended or if the governance committee should should be equivalent to that.

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So maybe worth Rising a ticket there, because this yeah I don't know if this, because it's slowing us down every time we have a blog post right, I mean.

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That's, that's. That's not the right mix of people. I mean it's nice that Morgan and Elita are there, but it should be the whole GC and Sergey is basically not around so yeah yeah.

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I I mean what what we did in the past is like I I sent Austin a message and he then said like yeah I approve it so, um but but at the end I mean this is more around I. Think having those blog approvers that the GC is just yeah, yeah, verifying that that we don't send out a message that contradicts this with anything that that's probably in in yeah in the sense of the open, Telemetry community. So um yeah. Let.

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A ticket around that.

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Great in the in the meantime, I'll reach out to Lolita and Morgan to uh and Austin just to get them to approve it. Yeah.

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Yeah that that would be great um awesome. I said this. This is I mean technically this. This is not even uh let's say, a blog post where I'm super worried about it, because it's just really an announcement of those end user working groups, uh so it would also be good just in soon so yeah.

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Let's not, let's not block these things, yeah exactly um anyways. If anybody has a few minutes to to review it anyways that that would be helpful um beyond that. There's two other PR's um I just quickly wanted to talk about because I raised them and wanted to to get some feedback on that from from anyone.

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uh The first one is the. Maybe let me put this here in the chat right, quick sentence. I said I cannot share my screen that well, um the first one is one I I raised the issue a while back and and since there's a lot of conversations being kicked off around like hey what about a seek for Pearl, hey? What about a sick for Lua? Hey? What about a sick for Julia and I? Think there was a list of languages.

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So what I wanted to add is a page in the instrumentations that says other languages and then just calling out like hey, open Telemetry is not limited to the I, don't know 11 or 12 languages that we have today um and there's already a few entries in our registered registry. For that. But, of course, the open Telemetry Community is also open to maintain additional languages as official, and all you need to do is is raise such a sick request and and God's interest right so that that's everything that that's in this PR.

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uh So if anybody can can give it a quick look um this this would be really helpful, because this is something I see also internally, that that people are sometimes like hey uh what what about open Telemetry for I, don't know, I, said Pearl or or Visual Basic or whatever.

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um So some some weird requests so I think that that could be a good pointer to say, like hey, we are not limited to that.

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Totally yeah, okay um and the other one. This is more around um yeah the page about instrumenting things or is the concept of instrumentation I mean we talked about this multiple times and I. Think there's I, don't know how many open issues and how many repositories, but but I, still try to to capture my understanding there, because how the page looks like right now, it's like really more confusing than helpful, uh so I try to to rephrase things a little bit to sell like hey uh here's, what is instrumentation, we have automatic instrumentation.

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We have instrumentation libraries, we have manual instrumentation and then I updated a little bit on those uh instructions on on how to get the one or the other working, for example, with the automatic instrumentation. It was really hard to understand what what is meant by by dependencies. That needs to be added, because sometimes I think it was just referring to to instrumentation libraries, so I try to improve it a little bit or rework it a little bit and there.

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It also I think it would be really good to to have some additional feedback on that, but because I said this is also yeah, especially in those conceptual pages. I thought it would be good to to get some more uh improvements. There yeah um said I shared the PRS and the chat. If anybody has a few minutes to review them, that would be helpful um beyond that. Philip is currently working on some more metrics documentations.

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It seems to be harder than it should be, but I think that that's the nature of metrics and open Telemetry, so they're, quite quite sophisticated um I, think so Philip and I were were the only ones last week discussing that and I think our our consensus was that we want to start with simple documentations on metrics right.

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So so we don't have to explain everything but more around, like hey here's how you can get started with metrics and then maybe later down the line we can yeah get get into the nitty-gritty details around acing and fuse and whatnot. So I I'm completely lost right now with metrics, because I have not had the time to read into it, but Philip is doing this right now.

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So yeah he's going to raise a few more issues there um yeah, that's it from from my side, any any other topics we we should discuss any um I think we had the announcements. Channel I think it's still stuck a little bit, um I'm, not sure what what's a good way to to push this forward.

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I think we wanted to have the the GitHub bot there right. So um sorry for what thing this hotel announcement, slack Channel.

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Yeah yeah um I've been trying to figure out I think I need to open a help desk ticket with cncf okay uh around by access, so I was uh trying to sort out my cncf access this morning. So I'll try to put in a request for that. Okay, um uh but I assume it's just like the basic GitHub uh slack bot that can do that. If people have ideas about a bot, that would be a good one. Good candidate.

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Okay, okay, yeah this. This is sad. It's still pending um yeah beyond that um I said: I I, don't have have any other topics right now.

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um It's it's already getting close to Christmas and there's so many other things. You have to do right now, right so.

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In general, kind of shuts down in December yeah.

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Yeah, like everything right, so it's yeah.

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um Everyone tends to get pulled into like internal last minute, work, stuff and then vacation, so yeah yeah.

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Exactly so I don't know, I think we have scheduled another another sick meeting in two weeks from now this I I don't know if that shortly before Christmas there's there's any any good reason to have it I think I will keep it there, and maybe we can even just use it to I. Don't know, have some virtual pre-Christmas or whatever no pre pre-shotdown that that's how we call it here. Yeah.

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Yeah I would recommend leaving the the meetings on the calendar, but um just I tell people not to plan getting anything done. Yeah in December whenever we're doing planning to just presume December doesn't count yeah.

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Yeah totally agree, yeah awesome, um cold and then let's do it that way. Next week, uh two in two weeks from now sorry, if there's nothing left I mean this was again a short one. I really hope we we speed up again. So it's a little bit funny that we extended now the meeting time to an hour and suddenly we again only need 20 minutes, but but hopefully this will change again and then yeah, probably next year,.

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It's fine I'd; rather we have the time on the schedule and end early. Then yeah.

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All right, we'll see in two weeks.

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Yep see you then bye.