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A
Cool,
we
are
live.
A
Thanks
everyone
for
joining
another
episode
of
the
openjs
foundation's
cross
project
council
meeting
today
is
the
5th
of
january
of
a
whole
new
year,
which
I'm
super
happy
about
and
yeah
do
we
have
any
announcements
or
anything
before
we
get
into
the
the
agenda
yeah.
I
haven't
zoomed
since
last
year,
yeah
and
I'm
totally
out
of
luck.
A
No
all
right
cool.
We
will
carry
on
anything
from
the
board.
A
Anything
that
we
need
to
share
there.
I
know
it's
been
probably
a
quiet
few
weeks
since
our
last
meeting
cool.
If
not,
I
will
jump
into
the
agenda
that
we
have
here.
A
So
yeah,
let's,
as
commented
here
almost
a
month
ago,
let's
start
surfacing
this
upcoming
election
and
start
working
on
the
steps
that
we
need
to
take
to
run
the
election,
and
you
know
all
the
things
that
kind
of
go
along
with
that.
B
Or
I
wonder
if
we
need
to
set
the
like
timeline
for
that
like?
When
do
we
need
to
have
the
vote,
because
I
think
we
looked
at
it
at
one
point
we
had
like
okay,
this
is
the
date
that
it
ends,
but
we
should
move
back
from
like
when,
when
should
the
vote
happen
and
so
forth,
and
actually
capture
them.
Underneath
this
issue.
A
You,
how
are
you
good,
okay,
so
we'll
have
it
open
for
a
week?
How?
How
much
time
do
we
think
we
need
before
vote,
closes
and
end
of
term
kind
of
transition
or
anything.
A
B
A
A
B
D
B
A
D
Yes,
voting.
Cpc
members,
I
believe,
are
the
participants
in
this
election.
A
Yeah,
so
I
pasted
a
link
from
the
charter
into
the
zoom
chat
that
is
specific
to
this.
This
is
the
primary
cpc
director
that
we
are
electing
eligibility
is,
must
be
a
current
cpc.
Member
and
voting
is
cpc.
Voting
members
actually.
A
G
A
A
A
All
right,
cool,
yeah.
A
D
A
A
Cbc
voting
numbers
just
adding
a
couple
of
notes
here
and
then
I
will
copy
and
paste
this
into
the
the
issue
as
well.
For
that
one.
A
Great
excellent
cool
moving
on
unless
anybody
has
anything
else,
they
want
to
add
or
comment
on
discuss
whatever
the
next
issue
is
680.
This
is
moving
the
cpc
meetings
to
a
bi-weekly
cadence.
A
I
started
to
work
on
that
earlier
today,
so
the
idea
was
that
we
would
move
to
every
other
week
and
that
we
would
keep
the
alternating
1400
and
1600
do
I
have
that
correct
or
I
have
that
backwards,
yeah
for
us
1700
and
1900
wow.
My
that's
not
right.
Is
it.
B
A
Cool
thanks,
I
don't
know
why
odd
numbers,
because
my
number
it's
two
o'clock
here-
I
thought
that
they
always
even
even
but
threw
me
off
so
anyway.
1700
1900,
the
the
the
the
I'm
I
was
looking
at
it
this
morning
in
terms
of
not
conflicting
with
the
standards
meeting
that
currently
is
bi-weekly
at
the
1900
slot,
and
if
we,
my
original
suggestion
was
that
we
would
have
a
working
meeting
like
kind
of
an
informal,
optional
working
meeting
on
the
off
weeks.
A
That
would
be
the
same
time
as
the
previous
week's
meeting
that
would
conflict
with
the
standards
meeting
once
a
month
or
once
every
four
weeks.
One
thought
that
I
had
around
that,
because
this
sort
of
working
meeting
is
is
very
optional
and
and
such
is
that
maybe
we
just
keep
the
working
meeting
at
the
1700
time
slot
every
week
and
then
we
don't
have
to
worry
about
the
standards
meeting
at
all
that
they
would.
You
know,
not
conflict.
D
A
They
are
a
very
accommodating
group,
but
I
don't
I
don't
know
I
don't.
I
don't
want
to.
You
know,
make
things
more
difficult
if
they
don't
need
to
be
so
do
people?
What
do
people
think
about
this
idea
of
a
working
meeting
on
the
off
weeks?
A
Is
there
even
much
interest?
I
mean
I
kind
of
proposed
it
because
I
figure
I
I'll
probably
you
know,
spend
you
kind
of
earmark
that
time
for
myself
to
make
sure
I'm
staying
on
top
of
cpc
stuff
as
in
addition
to
other
times
throughout
the
week,
but
maybe
I'm
the
only
one.
So
maybe
it
doesn't
really
matter.
I
don't
know.
I.
B
I
Sorry
do
we
know
that
moving,
so
I
think
we've
been
really
working
to
move
the
times
around
in
order.
I
understand
the
goal
being
in
order
to
make
sure
we
can
have
some
people
join.
That
might
not
be
available.
Also,
not
you
know
prioritizing
us.
You
know
time
zones
which
makes
a
ton
of
sense.
Do
we
is
it
so
I
guess
the
idea
here.
The
idea
here
is
to
do.
I
I
And
if
we
can't
answer
that
question
yeah,
I'm
not
this
isn't
a
solution.
This
is
more
problems,
but
I
just
wonder
if
we
know
it's
been
helpful
to
move
things
around
and
how
we
could
know
in
order
to
say:
okay,
it
makes
sense
to
have
this
a
rotating
time
or
no.
This
is
just
confusing.
J
I
I
mean,
I
think
the
reason
for
that
is
to
get
people
who
aren't
in
u.s
centric
or
north
american-centric
time
zones
in,
and
so,
if
we're
not
doing
that,
then
the
and
we
want
to
continue
doing
it.
Then
the
goal
becomes
the
availability
so
like
we're
not
actively
excluding
folks
by
doing
that,
and
so,
like
you
know,
if
someone
wanted
to
start
coming
or
start
participating,
then
they
have
an
avenue
to
that.
I
J
And,
like
I
don't
think,
that's
inherently
not
valuable
or
anything
it
just
like
if
we
are
not
hitting,
I
I
think
the
measure
for
that
is.
Are
we
getting
folks
from
that
time
zone
and,
if
not,
do
we
want
to
revert
it
or
do
we
want
to
change
the
goal?
To
then
be
we
want
to
have
the
availability
for
other
folks
to
be
joining.
I
So
that
when
they
do
want
to
join
yeah
yeah,
that
makes
sense,
I
think
it's
a
good
point.
A
K
B
D
B
A
Let
me
let
me,
and
if
you're
not
finished,
no,
I'm
done.
This
could
present
an
opportunity
to
have
perhaps
one
of
the
alternating
working
sessions
at
an
earlier
time
to
always
have
a
consistent
time
that
that
you
know
folks
on
the
other
side
of
the
world
could
chime
in
on,
and
at
least
we
would
have
a
consistent
time
that
we
could
register
interest,
even
though
it's
a
working
session
as
opposed
to
an
official
meeting.
That's
an
idea.
A
You
know
if
we
wanted
to
have
a
session
a
couple
hours
earlier
three
four
hours
earlier
and
have
that
regularly
available
for
folks.
I.
B
Right,
like
I
like
the
idea,
but
it
would
probably
need
to
be
like
it
alternates
between
nine
and
two
yeah
yeah,
so
we
definitely
like
on
the
tsc.
We
definitely
get
a
different
set
of
people
like
the
9am
ones.
You
know
we're
not
going
to
get
any
the
pacific
coast,
people
the
4
pm
ones,
I'm
all
talking
in
eastern
time,
my
bias,
sorry,
but
like
the
4pm
ones,
we
rarely
get.
We
get
a
lot
less
of
the
european
people,
obviously,
and
then
the
ones
in
the
middle
you
know
the
11
or
12.
A
D
Yeah,
I
think
you
know
so
we
typically
have
participation
from
emily
and
that
that
2
p.m.
Slot
is
pretty
late
for
him,
so
you
know.
I
know
that
if
we
were
able
to
find
an
alternate
time
for
that
smaller
group
that
was
a
little
bit
earlier
and
that
that
would
be
something
that
he
would
welcome
as
what
others.
So
it's
just
it's
a
smaller
group,
so
it's
usually
easier
to
be
flexible
with.
A
Here's
an
idea
what
if
we
have
the
cpc
meeting
and
the
standards
meeting,
both
bi-weekly
but
on
the
same
week,
and
they
just
always
switched
so.
You
know:
1700
cpc,
1900
standards,
meeting
two
weeks
later:
switches,
1700
standards
and
1900,
a
cpc.
A
Okay
and
then
we
could,
we
could
have
the
off
week
still
be
the
working
session,
which
mirrors
the
previous
week's
time
slot
and
then
moving
forward.
We
can
consider
other
time
slots.
You
know
if
we
think
that
makes
sense,
but
that's
at
least
some
way
for
us
to
get
into
a
bible,
cadence.
A
Okay,
that's
good
cool.
I
will
work
on
that,
get
that
into
the
calendar
and
and
such
and
cool
all
right,
that's
progress.
I
appreciate
it
great.
A
Next
up
is:
oh,
I
think
we
can
probably
close
this
yeah
and
jory
already
said
that
eight
minutes
ago.
The
next
issue
is
review
individual
supporter
program
designs,
which
we've
already
done,
and
so
I
will
close
this
issue.
D
Did
we
already
sort
of
celebrate
that
I
know
that
kind
of
launched
at
the
end
of
the
of
the
year
2020,
and
so
some
folks
were
already
heading
out
and
I
missed
announcements.
So
I
don't
know
if
we
already.
C
D
Yeah,
actually
I'll
do
that
just
well.
Actually,
I
can't
because
I'm
not
the
host,
but
robin
probably
can't
because
she's,
probably
the
host.
D
D
Javascript
landia
share,
so
you
can
see
on,
hopefully
your
screens
right
now,
a
really
cool
new
logo,
which
is
also
our
badge.
So
all
of
our
new
individual
supporters
are
getting
a
a
badge
that
they
can
share
on
their
linkedin
and
twitter
profiles,
and
that
kind
of
thing
to
just
show
that
you,
you
support
the
the
program
and
then
they're
also
getting
a
we've
got
a
hundred
and
thirty
something.
Now
that.
D
Yeah,
so
we're
super
excited
and
thank
you
all
everyone
on
this
list.
Thank
you
so
much
for
being
an
early
supporter
and
and
and
yeah
just
can't
can't
say
enough
nice
things
about
you
all,
you're,
all
wonderful
humans
and
pretty
soon
we'll
we'll
be
sharing
our
first
regular
newsletter
that
the
supporters
will
get
with
kind
of
updates
and
previews
of
things
that
programs
were
doing
and
news
from
projects
and
that
kind
of
thing.
So
I'm
just
25
a
year.
D
Fantastic,
so
we
anticipate
rolling
out
more
badges
and
more
more
different
programs
for
our
supporters
in
2021,
but
it
was
exciting
to
get
this
out
the
door
before
the
end
of
2020.
We
did
get
so
much
done
last
year.
So
thanks,
everyone
and
yeah
check
out
check
out
the
program
when
you
get
a
chance
I'll
stop.
Sharing
now.
A
Excellent
cool
lots
to
celebrate
there,
but
I
will
move
on
the
next
issue
on
the
agenda.
Is
the
proposal
to
remove
the
growth
stage,
and
I
remember
talking
about
this
sometime
late
last
year,
chris
was
on
the
call
yep.
He
is
still
and
approved
it.
I
think
at
that
time
we
maybe
made
a
couple
changes.
I'm
trying
to
see
what's
going
on
here.
E
I
think
my
recollection
of
what
was
left
to
do
was
for
me
to
go
to
the
camp
tsc
and
come
back
with
their
opinions
about
it,
and
I
think
the
next
meeting
is
on
wednesday
next
week.
A
E
Yep,
it
is
yeah,
so
I
can
get
back
to
you
all
in
two
weeks.
Great.
A
H
It's
it's
written.
I
was
trying
to
get
somebody
else
to
get
some
eyes
on
it,
but
I
got
sidetracked
by
a
slight
emergency
over
on
jquery
land.
Let
me
get
this
reviewed
this
week,
so
we'll
we'll
get
it
done.
A
You
awesome,
I'm
gonna
skip
the
next
one
really
quickly
and
just
go
to
the
last
one,
which
is
the
project
status.
Add
growth
templates
to
the
project
status,
repo.
A
Is
there
much
more
that
we
have
to
do
on
this?
One
jordan
commented.
A
What's
left
on
on
this,
just
okay,
I
see
in
my
description.
I
have
a
couple
of
checkpoint
check
boxes
here.
E
Sort
of
planning
to
get
some
of
that
done
during
the
holidays,
but
how
this
happened.
A
Yeah
yeah,
it
sure
did,
they
sure,
did
all
right
cool.
So
we've
got
a
little
less
than
a
half
hour,
but
toby
opened
an
issue
6.99.
A
I'll,
let
you
or
sarah
chime
in
here
and
and
we
can
go
from
there.
E
Yeah,
I
mean
basically
the
idea
sort
of
came
from
some
conversations
that
we
had
and
current
situation
in
the
world
and
like
the
to
actually
try
to
do
something
about
diversity
and
inclusion
like
here
as
well,
and
so
this
was
just
essentially
a
placeholder
to
add
a
couple
of
suggestions.
So
sarah
and
I
had
a
chat
about
this-
this
was
essentially
yeah
a
place
wanted
to
put
some
suggestions
and
get
a
conversation
started
essentially.
I
Yeah,
I
think
one
thing
that
toby
said
in
our
meeting
that
I
thought
was
really
thoughtful.
Is
you
know
when
we
have
new
projects
join,
we
try
to
make
sure
that
we
have.
You
know
diversity
of
companies
to
in
order
to
make
the
project
sustainable
and
just
being
thoughtful
and
helping.
I
don't
think
we're
looking
to
make
to
make
any
roadblocks,
but
just
think
about
how
we,
as
an
organization,
can
help
projects
that
are
joining.
Maybe
thinking
about
also
adding
diversity
to
their
steering
committees.
E
And
if
you
want
some,
some
of
the
other
things
that
we
discussed
that
were
on
the
list,
I
know
that
the
linux
foundation
has
some
good
educational
material
on
this
that
we
could
maybe
leverage.
I
don't
know
it
could
be
part
of
like
material
that
we're
supposed
as
a
cpc
to
have
looked
at.
I
haven't
looked
at
it,
so
you
know
I
I'm
advocating
for
something
that
I
haven't
done,
but
you
know
that's
just
a
suggestion.
I
think
what
else?
E
What
are
the
other
sort
of
like
topics
that
we're
on
there
yeah.
I
Like
we
talked
about,
you
know
like
we
don't
know
that
this
is
an
issue
where
it's
like
our
data
is
actually
fairly.
You
know
just
eyeball
only
so
we
thought
about
maybe
doing
a
survey
to
ask.
You
know
teams
if
they
were
looking
for
help
trying
to
get
a
toe
in
the
water
to
figure
out.
You
know,
is
this
an
issue?
I
Do
we
do
do
the
projects
under
the
foundation
number
one,
have
a
diversity
issue
number
two:
do
they
want
help,
and
I
think
after
that
you
know,
like
I,
don't
think,
there's
a
clear
solution
of
here's,
how
we're
going
to
help,
because
I
think
it's
something
that
everyone's
working
on,
but
that
we
can't
help
it
off.
We
can't
we're
not
having
a
conversation.
B
B
So
it's
more
those
kinds
of
things
like
I
think
the
last
one
on
your
list
like
liaising
with
the
other
organizations.
Anything
we
can
do
to
bring
back
experience
and
what
works
to
the
projects
would
be
helpful.
D
Yeah
I
just
I
as
y'all
were
chatting.
I
think
one
other
concrete
thing
that
we
could
do
is
add
this
as
a
playbook.
You
know
for
a
project
that
says:
oh,
we
want
to
put
a
gross,
you
know
plan,
and
this
could
be
one
of
the
things.
That's
a
sample
goal
that
they
could
set,
that
we
could
help
with.
I
Yeah
exactly
like
helping
and
not
like
you
know,
putting
up
roadblocks
with
being
like
here's.
What
part
of
your
growth
looks
like
right.
C
And
we
have
diversity
and
inclusion
goals
at
the
foundation,
all
up
with
their
board
of
directors
as
well,
and
we
look
at
all
parts
of
the
foundation
from
our
conferences
to
our
leadership,
to
our
committees.
So
would
love
the
cpc's
help
and
really
bringing
us
up,
because
we're
not
meeting
the
the
stretch
goals
that
we
want
for
sure.
D
There's
some
another
kind
of
component
to
this
too,
which
is
which
connects
like
dni
with,
like
just
like
good
hygiene.
You
know
good
good,
open
source,
repo
hygiene,
and
so
you
know,
I
wonder
if
there
is
some
you
know
a
post
or
some
material
that
we
could
create.
That
draws
those
ideas
together
as
like
you
know,
but
that's
just
a.
C
Yeah
priyanka
at
cncf
has
sort
of
taken
some
leadership
on
that
and
I'm
happy
to
share
the
information
to
the
cpc
on
that.
C
C
A
So
you
know
this
seems
like
something
that
would
be
good
to
use
the
off-week
working
times
for,
but
that
being
said,
we
have
20
minutes
now.
You
know,
I
don't
know
if
we
want
to
to
spend
that
time.
You
know
thinking
more
about
this
and
prepping
for
the
next
meeting
or
what
we
want
to
do.
I
I
think
figuring
out
what
concrete
next
steps
would
be
would
be
good.
You
know,
I
wonder
how
do
people
feel
like?
I
wonder
if
we
could
find
out
that
one
of
the
projects
in
the
foundation
is
doing
a
good
job
at
this
by
doing
a
survey
and
then
kind
of
digging
into
what,
if
we
think,
they're
doing
something
differently
or
because
I
you
know,
if
I
think,
of
an
open
source
project,
that's
doing
this.
Well,
I
don't
know
that
I
have
an
answer
for
that.
I
D
I
think
there's
also
like
different
layers
to
it
right
where
we're
talking
about
diversity
in
leadership
groups
like
diversity
of
the
tsc
diversity
of
an
advisory
group,
or
you
know,
versus
diversity
of
the
entire
contributor
base,
and
that
is
those
are
distinctly
different
and
perhaps
worth
taking,
and
a
look
at
how
that
changes.
E
Yeah,
didn't
the
cncf
actually
just
release
some
data
around
this
for
themselves
recently,
where
this
was,
I
think,
fairly
obvious,
where
the
leadership
was
mostly
male
and
the
rest
of
the
staff
was
mostly
female,
so
you
like
it,
you
know
this
really.
This
really
does
matter
like
what
what's
happening
at
what
level.
D
J
Is
also
like
the
the
the
idea
that
people
who
aren't
male
have
to
often
directly
show
more
like
impact
and
impact,
is
much
easier
to
show
through,
like
I've
written
these
features.
I've
built
these
things
like
these
are
the
ways
that
I've
been
impactful
and
like
actually
contributed
something
that
is
like
tangible
and
usable
to
my
company
or
beneficial
to
us
in
some
way.
Whereas
leadership
is
like
less
tangible
and
there's
less
like
attachment
to
that
as
a.
J
Like,
like,
you
can't
report
on
that
back
to
your
engineering
manager,
that's
giving
you
your
time
to
do
this
and
say:
look
I
did
this.
You
know
I
was
a
leader
and
I
I
went
and
gave
like
a
talk
on
a
panel
or
and
like
did.
I
helped
all
these
things
that,
like
don't,
actually
contribute
to
progressing
this
project
forward,
and
so
that
that's
another
thing
that
I
think
like
that
and
then
just
like.
J
That
is
kind
of
a
result
of
not
enabling
people
to
minoritize
people
to
participate
at
that
level,
making
sure
that
we
are
also
doing
work
to
with
those
teams
and
with
managers
and
stuff
like
that
and
with
companies
to
make
sure
that
we
can
act
like
going
to
the
company
talking
to
the
companies
and
working
with
those
companies
is
going
to
be
a
potentially
effective
way
to
help
address
that
and
make
make
that
space
rather
than
going
to
the
individuals
themselves,
because
often
individuals
aren't
going
to
be
able
to
have
the
power
to
choose
that
and
like
those
that
do
are
often
often
ended
up
being
like
white
dudes.
J
So
that's
something
I
wanted
to
bring
up
here
too.
J
And
I
guess
that
wasn't
a
prompt,
the
prompt
I'd
maybe
have
there
is:
how
do
we
work
with
our
member
companies
like
what.
J
Can
the
foundation
provide
to
the
member
companies
that
then
can
also
be
used
by
external
companies?
To
say,
hey
like
these
are
the
benefits
of
allowing
folks
to
contribute
and
enabling
them
to
contribute
here's
the
business
value
you'll
get
like
that
kind
of
thing,
and
that's
the
way
we
incentivize
that
in
a
more
system.
E
Sarah
you're,
mentioning
like
concrete
next
steps.
I
really
like
the
survey
work
that
you
suggested,
and
so
you
know
my
question
to
sort
of
the
cpc
would
be.
Is
this
something
that
we'd
be
interested
willing
to
do
and
how
would
we
go
about
something
like
this.
D
Let
me
say
that
I
think
some
of
this
data
may
be
captured
in
a
automated
way.
So
you,
you
know,
take
some
salt
with
it
from
the
lf
insights
project
that
has
been
rolled
out.
There's
some
contributor
analysis.
That's
been
done
there,
and
so
perhaps
that
data,
perhaps
coupled
with
additional,
like
quantitative
or
qualitative
inquiry
that
we
may
do
with
like
the
maintainers,
may
get
us
a
fuller
picture.
So
just
sharing
that
there
may
be
some
all
ready
for
us.
E
Does
someone
know
how
to
get
that
data
and
b
would
be
willing
to
do
the
work
to
get
it
to
us.
I
Do
we
ever
do
like
a
survey
like
do?
I
know
that
there's
everyone's
doing
not
everyone
lots
of
folks
do
developer
surveys
now
not
justifying
that
diversity
data,
but
just
even
finding
out
about
contributors,
or
you
know
how
much
time
they
spend.
You
know
what
their
biggest
needs
are.
That
kind
of
thing
have
we
ever
done
something
like
that
or
considered
doing
something
like
that,
because
it
seems
like
a
it
seems,
like
birds,
a
few
birds
that
could
be.
K
We
we
helped
out
with
the
developer
ergonomics
group
a
couple
years
ago,
getting
like
the
foundation
projects
and
stuff.
K
I
think
this
was
before
it
was
the
openjs
foundation,
but
we
like
sent
it
out
to
all
of
our
members,
encourage
them
to
participate,
because
the
survey
was
about
open
source
and
contributions
and
stuff
they
do
a
quarterly
survey,
so
it
might
be
worth
reaching
out
to
them
and
seeing
if
they
want
to
like
work
with
us,
some
quarter
in
a
way
that
kind
of
because
they
have
a
pretty
broad
audience,
they're
a
little
aggressive
and
like
gamifying,
but
they're
just
trying
to
get
people
to
respond
to
their
survey,
which
is
why
it
feels
like
that
way.
K
But
they
do
a
pretty
good
job
and
I
don't
I
could
do
an
introduction.
I
can
look
up
their
details
if
that's
useful.
D
I
remember
that,
and
that
was
one
we
primarily
fielded
to
the
member
companies,
and
I
think
maybe
that's.
This
is
like
a
thing
to
just
ask
ourselves
is:
do
we
want
to
field
this
survey
among
the
just
the
openjs
foundation
member
companies,
their
their
employees
and
or
just
the
open
source
project
contributor
communities
which,
in
some
cases
those
are
one
in
the
same?
In
other
cases,
those
are
not
the
same
audience.
So
it's
worth
asking
that
question
really.
I
E
B
B
Just,
I
think,
back
a
little
bit
to
tierne's
tierney's
comment,
and
I
just
worry
that
if,
if
we
don't
like
figuring
out
how
to
get
company
support,
being
supportive
is
part
of
what
will
actually
make
it
succeed
versus
you
know
a
challenge,
because
the
the
people
we're
trying
to
attract
need
to
have
the
time
and
the
okay
and
the
support
from
their
companies
to
actually
do
the
work
and
get
involved.
E
These
would
actually
be
super
interesting
questions
to
ask
project
contributors
like
how
you
know:
how
much
are
you
contributing
how
easy
it
is
for
you
to
contribute?
Are
you
contributing
on
your
on
the
ward
clock
or
on
the
you
know
moonlighting
whatever
the
term
is
jory.
E
No,
that's
so
I
mean
I
thought
all
of
these
questions
would
be
interesting
to
to
get
from
the
pro
the
projects
themselves
and
then
help
us
inform,
maybe
not
only
a
diversity
and
inclusion
effort,
but
a
broader
one.
D
I
I
was
just
raising
my
hand
to
say
I
think
what
we
may
be
saying
is
that
we
would
like
to
try
to
field
a
first
ever
openjs
foundation,
community-wide
survey
that
asks
some
of
these
questions
and
that's
that's
an
exciting
idea
robin
can
we
can
we
can
we.
C
Well,
it's
interesting
because
we're
doing
really
the
last
really
big,
broad
node.js
developer
survey,
it's
sort
of
been
a
tradition
at
the
node.js
foundation
and
it
is
a
heavy
lift,
but
we
have
professionals
who
are
supporting.
We
do
get
into
a
lot
of
these
questions
in
that
node
survey
and
we
just
sort
of
did
a
final,
a
near
final
proof
read
yesterday
and
we
will
get
some
of
that
data.
I
just
had
a
meeting
with
our
other
executive
directors
at
the
lf.
C
C
So
I
think
what
we
you
know
I
I
would
recommend
I
do
like
starting
with
kind
of
doing
an
inventory
and
analysis
kind
of
where
we
are
today
amongst
our
projects,
setting
some
goals
and
then
figuring
out
what
we
want
to
find
out
before
we
say:
let's
go,
do
a
survey
just
to
make
sure
we're
not
starting
in
the
middle
right
so
which
I'd
love
to
do
but
really
find
out
what's
out
there
and
where?
Where
can
we
add
value
and
new
new
insights.
D
C
Insights
and
pull
I'll
go
to
element
sites
and
pull
and
pull
data,
and
I'm
happy
to
pull
data
on
any
existing
research
from
developer
surveys
that
are
going
out.
We
can
take
a
look
at
the
at
the
node.js
survey
too.
I
it's
still
not
quite
too
late.
C
I
think
rachel
was
just
going
to
have
a
couple
of
folks
give
it
a
final
read,
but
we
do
ask
a
lot
of
those
questions
and,
and
then
I
think
we
should
just
sort
of
develo
have
another
working
session
and
develop
sort
of
the
plan
on
what
do
we
hope
to
learn?
More
specifically,
I.
D
I
think
it'd
be
great
to
spend
that
working
session
deciding
upon,
like
the
research
questions
of
which
there's
probably
two
or
maybe
three,
that
we
could
ask
in
a
in
a
survey
and
then
use
the
the
existing
data
that
we
have
and
perhaps
look
at
some
of
those
node
node
questions
and
see.
If
once
that's
fielded
that
can
give
us
sort
of
like
the
baseline
and
then.
C
C
J
J
J
They
know
you
to
do,
because
those
are
two
different
things
and
like
would
you
do
more
if
you
could
like
that
kind
of
stuff,
like
just
like
a
very
brief,
like
under
10
question
survey
to
contri
existing
contributors
would
be
helpful,
I
think
in
just
understanding,
because
that
would
at
least
like
this
is
at
least
the
base
we
already
have,
and
we
can
know
what
we
need
to
do
to
grow
that
and
that
probably
also
like,
I,
I
think,
having
some
kind
of
foundation
materials
for
corporations,
because,
like
this,
this
is
one
thing
I
I
saw
when
I
was
at
node
sources
like
to
affect
any
change.
J
You
have
to
go
to
the
company.
You
can't
go
to
individuals
and
so
having
materials
to
give
to
companies
and
have
people
be
able
to
pull
and
give
to
their
manager
or
like
give
to
someone
in
their
leadership,
would
from
the
foundation
would
be
a
really
good
resource.
If
we
want
to
approach
this
and
like
at
a
scale,
that's
more
reasonable.
I
think.
C
C
E
Another
one
of
the
items
on
that
thing
was
to
add
a
diversity
requirement
to
impact
projects.
Is
this
thing?
People
are
comfortable
about.
E
My
inclination
would
be
to
leave
the
requirements
for
the
tsc
for
the
maintainers
of
that
project
to
decide
and
propose
like
they
do
for
all
of
the
other
items.
Really
so
not
define
diversity,
but
just
make
that
a
requirement
I
mean,
make
diversity
a
requirement
without
defining
it
sort
of
like
leave
the
question
open,
it's
kind
of
obvious.
If
something
is
different
or
not,
I
mean
frankly.
B
So,
but
is
it
it's
basically
gonna
just
then
be
tell
us
where
you're
at
or
your
thoughts
or
I'm
just
trying
to
like
concretely.
What
are
we
gonna?
What
are
we
gonna
do
when
we
get
one
of
these.
E
My
understanding
from
the
growth
requirement
to
move
to
impact
stage
of
most
of
those
is
sort
of
a
delta
of
where
you're
at
and,
where
you're
hoping
to
get
to
and
have
the
cpc
approve
this
and
hence
I
don't
think
this
would
be
widely
they're
more
more
different.
E
It's
more
of
like
buying
into
the
idea
that
this
is
something
you
care
about.
They
want
to
do
something
to
change
if
you're,
not
not
in
a
situation
where
you
have
a
diverse
and
inclusive
structure
rather
than
actually
and
like
meet
some
numbers,
I
mean
the
you
know
the
the
the
opposite
side
of
like
meaning
some
numbers.
Is
you
get
into
absurd
situations
like
france's
mayor
in
office
in
paris
who
is
paying
fines
because
they
have
too
many
women
right?
E
So
it's
just
like
really
absurd
when
you're
actually
trying
to
solve
a
diversity
problem,
someone
actually
solves
it
in
one
instance,
it's
like
above
the
threshold
so
now
like
it's
no
longer
so
I
don't
think
like
getting
into
like
you
know
very
strict
numbers
like
this
is
actually
really
helpful,
so
yeah,
I
would
leave
it
open.
I
wouldn't
leave
it
open.
C
C
B
E
And
just
to
be
clear,
I
was
specifically
talking
about
the
leadership
team.
You
know
similar
requirements
to
having
multi-vendor
represent
representatives
in
the
in
the
leadership
team.
Something
of
that
nature.
I
don't
know
what
the
exact
wording
is
of
the
top
of
my
of
my
head.
E
But
yeah
robin
your
point
is
well
taken.
It
would
be
interesting
to
see
if
there
is
existing
wording,
and
so
maybe
I
should
go
look
into
that
before
yeah.
B
E
I
mean
you
know
yeah.
The
idea
was
impact
projects
have
requirements
around.
You
know
multi-vendor
multi-user,
so
diversity
of
vendors.
G
Too,
I
think
it's
going
to
depend
a
lot
on
the
size
of
the
project
so
like
for
nvm
like
I
desperately
want
my
diversity
goals
are
more
people
more
than
just
me
so
like.
If
those
people
happen
to
also
be
different
demographics
than
me,
then
that's
even
better,
but
like
I'm
just
I
just
need
a
warm
body
at
this
point.
So
like
yeah,
you.
G
G
Yeah
so
like,
and
I
would
imagine
similarly
even
if
a
project
has
like
three
or
four
maintainers
like
if
there's
no
one
else,
trying
to
be
a
maintainer.
You
know
like
it's
probably
still
useful,
there's
probably
some
outreach.
They
could
do
to
try
and
encourage
people
to
be
maintainers
that
are
from
a
different
demographic
set
of
demographics
than
the
current
set.
But,
like
you
know
that
trying
to
get
people
interested
is
a
much
harder
problem
I
think
than
or
so.
Let
me
rephrase
it's
a
very
different
kind
of
problem
from
you.
G
J
I
I
think
that,
like
you
know,
have
I've
been
in
it
for
a
while
and
having
kind
of
starting
to
get
into
electron
like
the
time
and
energy
required
to
work
on
electron
in
like
a
core
or
leadership
position
it
like
has
to
be
sponsored
by
a
corporation
and
the
corporations
that
are
willing
to
sponsor
that
are
doing
that,
and
it's
like
the
people
who
are
able
to
do
that
are
doing
it
already
and
and
it's
it's
not
something
like
people
can
casually
just
come
by
like
if
people
could
casually
come
by
and
do
it
that's
great
like
would
honestly
enable
that,
but
it
like
the
technical
skill
and
experience
is
not
something
you
can
just
kind
of
like
casually
pick
up
like
you
know
like
I
did
with
node
five
years
ago.
J
You
have
to
like
be
very
persistent
and
there
and
present
it
to
the
point
where,
like,
if
you're
doing
it,
you,
you
can't
just
do
it
like
passively
on
your
free
time,
and
so
in
that
vein
like
I,
I
think
that
this
is
not
like
a
thing
that
can
be
generally
universally
applied
to
projects
just
because
of
like
the
vast
and
broad
approaches
that
projects
have
to
management
and
the
like
different
skill
levels
and
like
necessities
to
persist
the
skill
to
participate.
J
A
A
So
then
you
know
we
can
be
helpful
and
these
recommendations
may
even
help
getting
new
contributors.
You
know,
depending
on
what
we're
able
to
come
up
with,
but
I
think
that
will
be
the
first
step.
C
A
Yeah
cool,
so
should
we
use
the
the
the
off
week
next
next
week
to
to
work
on
this?
Some
more.