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Keynote Panel: 2020 Tech Trends Predictions - Alex Williams, The New Stack; Chris Aniszczyk, Cloud Native Computing Foundation; Liz Parody, NodeSource; and Moderated by Nick Nisi, JS Party
Moderators: Nick Nisi
Speakers: Alex Williams, Chris Aniszczyk, Liz Parody
A
C
I
know
this
is
a
question
that
I
was
thinking
about
it.
I
think
Java
Script
in
ogs
has
become
boring
in
a
way.
That's
actually
all
right.
You
know
that
it's
so
well-established
that
it's
becoming
something
that
you
just
expect
I
was
talking
about
this
earlier
in
the
week
and
I'll
try
out
my
analogy:
I'm,
not
sure
if
it'll
work,
but
you
know
we
all
turn
on
the
water.
In
our
you
know
our
bathrooms
or
our
kitchens
all
the
time
right.
C
We
don't
even
think
about
it,
but
just
think
in
those
days
when
those
pipes
were
brand
new,
like
in
hundred
years
ago,
whenever
it
was
and
you're
like.
Oh
my
gosh
look
at
that
boo,
those
marvels,
but
over
time
it
just
became
boring
and
we
just
expected
now
there
will
be
the
occasional
issues
with
rust
or
pollution
or
whatever
it
might
be.
But
hey!
That's!
That's!
That's
the
life
of
code
to
write
me.
D
C
B
I,
don't
think,
is
boring
at
all
like
there's
a
lot
of
advanced
and
conference
and
a
new
libraries
and
packages
all
the
time
happening
so
I
don't
think
JavaScript
is
boring.
Man
I,
don't
think
it's
going
to
get
boring
anytime
soon,
I
mean
yes,
it
becomes
affable,
but
no
boring
like
a
stable
is
not
a
synonym
of
boring.
The.
C
D
Someone
from
outside
the
JavaScript
community
is
more
of
an
infrastructure
person.
I
sometimes
get
entertained,
at
least
by
what
goes
on
in
the
JavaScript
community
when
the
whole
left-left
pad
thing
happened,
I'm
like
all
right,
JavaScript
cool,
I'll,
open
for
you.
So
from
an
external
perspective,
it's
a
it's
a
little
bit
interesting
and
exciting,
but
ya
know
from
a
stability
maturity.
Point
of
view.
It's
just
a
widely
used
technology.
Of
course,
it's
gonna
be
a
little
bit
more
boring
than
some
new
programming
language
out
there.
Yeah.
A
And
we
kind
of
started
like
from
the
bottom,
with
JavaScript
right.
It
was
developed
in
ten
days
and
not
developed
for
the
world
that
we
live
in
now
really,
but
it
has
evolved
over
time
and
it's
getting
much
better
and
it's
getting
I
mean
it
has
gotten
so
much
better,
but
the
language
itself
just
provides
so
much
more
and
I
think
that
that
might
be.
Where
you
know
some
of
the
drama
came
in
with
like
left
pad.
You
know
we
have.
We
have
pad
start
now
and
pad
end
like
there's.
C
There
is
drama
from
the
start.
There
was
all
kinds
of
drama.
You
know,
I
mean
there
was
like
you
know:
you
had
Netscape,
you
had
Sun
yeah
Microsoft,
you
have
Brendan
going
on
vacation
and
coming
back
and
the
world
changed,
I
mean
it
was.
It
was
a
totally
different
time,
and
but
one
of
the
things
I
find
interesting
is
like
in
conversations
with
people,
especially
here
over
the
past
few
days
is
there's
still
an
existential
crisis,
though
going
on
right.
There's
this
there's
this
fear
that,
oh
my
gosh,
you
know
we
have
something
so
good.
C
A
D
It's
a
good
question:
I
mean
you
know:
the
JavaScript
tends
to
be
a
community
where
people
like
to
write
little
packages,
and
you
know
there's
lots
of
solutions
out
there.
There's
definitely
a
bit
of
you
know
like
monoculture,
maybe
all
right.
The
worry
where,
like
there's
framework
set
reactor
angular,
are
probably
some
of
the
most
widely.
You
know
you
suppose
these
ones,
even
jQuery
is
still
you
know,
running
the
internet,
you
know
and
unfortunately,
or
fortunately,
you
know,
things
tend
to
coalesce
in
a
solution.
B
Think
the
frameworks
are
in
award,
their
know
like
let's
go
to
battle
airing
now.
I
mean
for
me
is
more
like
a
healthy
competitions
of
frameworks
and
tools
like
there
is
different
fragrance
because
they're
different
needs.
So
it's
not
like
a
warlike,
so
yeah
I,
don't
think.
There's
a
word
there.
Yeah
yeah.
A
Definitely
I
mean
it
definitely
seems
like
a
lot
of
the
popular
frameworks
are
kind
of
coalescing
around
the
same
set
of
ideas,
things
like
virtual
DOM
and
JSX
usage,
or
things
like
that.
There's
a
lot
of
coalescing
into
that.
Do
you
see
that
as
being
a
good
thing,
or
is
that
kind
of
stifling
innovation?
You.
D
Always
want
to
enable
competition,
but
at
least
from,
like
you
know,
from
an
end-user
perspective,
you
know
I'm
a
you
know:
C
C++
JVM
person
and
sometimes
I
write
basic
JavaScript,
apps
and
I'm
like
what
the
hell
do.
I
need
like
need
to
use.
Now
it's
like
what
the
hell
is
view
j/s
right
like
where
this
come
from
right,
so
it
does
make
it
I
think
a
little
bit
confusing
from
you
know
a
newcomer
and
user
perspective
when
you
have
all
these
options,
but
the
competition
is
good
to
kind
of
ensure
innovation
will
constantly
happen.
A
C
When
I
talk
to
developers
here,
they
say
they
say:
there's
just
different
needs
right,
and
so
you
know,
reiax
has
have
been.
You
know
popular.
I
think
in
some
respects,
with
large
organizations
you
know
and
and
in
in
people
who
are
in
smaller
shops
may
have
more
freedom
in
really
different
needs
and
demands,
and
so
that
seems
to
me
like
again
to
what
you're
saying
is
like
there
are
different
requirements
and
there's
different
issues.
I
mean
what
do
you?
What
do
you
see
people
using
these
days?
Well,.
B
Behind
no,
it's
actually
I
was
watching
the
Stack
Overflow
survey
and
know
it
is
one
of
the
most
widely
used
but
yeah,
it's
not
a
fragment
of
runtime,
but
the
field
is
very
used
and
after
that
react
and
then
angular
and
view
there's
also
I
mean
in
front-end
like
react.
Angular
and
view
are
definitely
needed.
Top
three
frameworks
into
battle,
but
it's
more
like
a
competition
and
I
am
so
bad.
That's
what
I
think
you.
D
Know
as
long
as
stuff
gets
like
eventually
baked
into
the
language
over
time
or
something
thrown
in
tc39,
you
know
a
lot
of
the
stuff
that
jQuery,
you
know
originally
pioneered
kind
of
made
itself.
You
know
baked
in
the
language
over
time.
As
long
as
that
competition
happens,
I
think
it's
it's
good.
It's
great
for
the
community
yeah.
A
B
A
A
Sure
there
will
always
be
a
scion
for
those
of
us
who
reject
the
matrix,
yeah
kind
of
speaking
of
that
and
you
kind
of
mentioned,
the
idea
of
like
a
monoculture
possibly
forming
another
widely.
You
wildly
use
tool
is
a
typescript,
and
so
that
also
has
kind
of
60
percent
of
developers
using
that
according
to
the
Stack
Overflow,
and
it's
also
the
third,
the
seventh
most
popular
language,
but
the
third
most
interesting
language
for
developers.
D
C
It
hasn't
been
that
much
movement.
Do
you
think
in
the
in
the
community
over
the
past
year
and
changes
in
typescript
overall
versus
other
languages
yeah?
It
doesn't
seem
like
that.
That
trend
is
gonna
change
at
all.
It
doesn't
seem
like
there's
anything
in
the
wind
unless
I'm
missing
something
yeah.
A
B
Okay,
so,
for
example,
in
monoculture,
tooling
I
see
the
developers
used
like
always
the
same.
For
example,
vias
code,
most
of
them
I
mean
most
of
JavaScript
developers
to
use
PS
code
for
other
languages.
They
have
other
tool
needs,
but
for
Scala
and
Python
and
they
use
other
text.
Editors
for
JavaScript
see
Bella
pers,
I,
see
most
of
them
using
big
s,
code
and
I.
Think
it's
good
like
via
scope,
is
a
great
tool
and
if
it
works
and
as
long
as
it's
free
and
open-source
I,
think
it's
good
I,
don't
care
Microsoft,
always
man.
B
D
I
mean,
as
someone
who's
been
involved
for
open-source
over
20
years,
it's
a
little
bit
a
little
bit
terrifying
of
kind
of.
What's
going
on
in
some
ways,
cuz
I
spent,
probably
10
years
of
my
career,
you
know
battling
you,
know
the
evil
empire
at
the
time
which
was
Microsoft
working
on
you
heard
of
eclipse,
you
sniff
anybody
use
eclipse
again.
Sorry
I
was
partially
my
fault
back
in
the
day,
but
you
know
you
know
eventually
what
what
happened
was
what.
D
You
know
I
mean
if
you're
a
Java
developer
back
and
then
you
probably
use
it,
but
I
write
used
to
write
all
the
plug-in
tooling,
all
the
git
and
SEM
tooling
bells.
Those
are
a
dozen
other
age,
but
the
reason
it
clips
was
formed
is
because
there
was
a
bit
of
a
monoculture
of
tooling.
At
that
time,
one
company
owned
the
majority
of
tools
and
the
developer
documentation
all
that
stuff
and
people
are
uncomfortable,
there's
no
way
to
customize
it.
D
It
was
an
open
source,
and
so
this
huge
community
came
around
Eclipse
and
you
know
Chris
for
someone
who
who
lived
through
those
battles.
Seeing
that
you
know
you
have
vs
code,
you
know
github
a
typescript,
you
know
all
owned
again
by
by
one
company
is
a
little
bit
terrifying.
You
know
I
think
Microsoft's
been
a
great
steward,
but
I
think
it's
something
you
know
us
as
developers
need
to
keep
these.
D
Like
you
know,
organizations
in
check
essentially
make
sure
that
what
they're
doing
is
actually
good
overall
for
for
everyone,
but
something
that
keeps
me
up
at
night
at
least,
but
you
know
I've
worked
with
folks
that
are
like.
Oh
yeah
Microsoft's
great,
like
you,
know,
they're
amazing
I'm,
like
I
guess
now,
but
like
there's,
some
of
us
have
a
different
context.
I
mean.
B
D
D
Google's
great,
they
contribute
back
I've,
mentored
tons
of
folks
in
summer,
a
code.
That's
it's
a
different
different
history.
Google
has
always
kind
of
been
fairly
open
over
time,
but
you
know
it's
something
that
they
think
about,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day,
like
I,
have
it
having
competition
with
different
types
of
developer.
Tools
is
good.
It
helps
improve
things
and
so
on.
So
if
we
we
lose
that
you
we
just
have
to
be
careful,
I
think
we
need
to
ensure
that
there's
enough
competition
out
there,
you
know.
D
A
A
D
It's
interesting
is
like
back
in
the
back
in
like
the
Eclipse
days.
The
whole
idea
is,
we
want
to
make
tooling
free
and
available.
You
won't
have
to
pay,
for
you
know,
code
warrior-like
back,
and
it
was
terrible.
You
have
to
pay
for
tools
back
then
terrible
life,
and
so
everything
was
open.
Not
what's
interesting
is
like
with
the
trend
of
kind
of
having
this.
You
know
vs
code
online
or
other
stuff
online.
Now
it's
like
you
know,
is
this
potential
opportunity
to
like
charge
for
certain
things.
Now
it's
like.
D
Oh,
you
want
to
have
like
some
fancy.
You
know
linking
you
know
that
will
be
$5
per.
You
know,
liyan
lines
or
something
ridiculous.
I,
don't
know
it
just
you
know,
as
an
old
developer,
tooling
person
it
a
little
bit
tear
it
terrifies
me
that
sometimes
this
stuff
will
become
only
SAS
based
and
locked
again,
but
yeah.
If,
but,
if
the,
if
the
core
code
like
vs
code,
is
fully
open,
then
then
maybe
we're
what
we're?
Okay,
so
yeah.
A
B
I
am
NOT
like
super
concern
about
monoculture,
because
I'm
being
I
think
the
other
person
wants
to
use
something
that
gives
them
value.
Mmm-Hmm
and
vias
code
gives
a
lot
of
value.
So
it's
like
I,
don't
I,
don't
really
see
your
problem.
There
is
like
a
monoculture
there.
Of
course
competition
is
healthy
and
if
something
better
comes
in
great,
but
if
not
like,
it's
fine,
like
the
monoculture,
is
okay.
C
D
It
just
depends:
let's
just
put
it
that
way,
so,
we'll
see
if
you
know
like
github,
starts
getting
these
like
interesting,
like
open
and
BS
code
online
type
features,
but
but
we'll
we'll
see
and
I
think
developers
in
general,
like
tools
are
kind
of
religion.
They
love,
you
know
things
and
everyone
will
have
their
particular.
You
know
nuances.
I,
know,
folks
that
you
still
can't
rip
like
Emacs.
You
know
out
of
them,
even
though
there's
much
better
options
these
days,
but
that's
just
the
way
certain
folks,
certain
folks
are.
A
So
kind
of
talking
about
that
and
leading
into
that,
as
as
those
types
of
things
like
server
lists
and
cloud
infrastructure,
start
becoming
more
mainstream
becoming
more
what
we
do
every
day,
how
do
you
see
the
roles
of
developers
changing
seems
like
with
with
the
ability
to
no
longer
have
like
this
monolith?
Codebase
that
you
know
is
in
a
particular
framework
or
language.
You
can
use
the
right
tool
for
the
right
job,
but
what
kind
of
changes
does
that
cause
for
the
the
developer,
maybe
like
as
far
down
as
the
front-end
developer?
D
That
lowers
the
barrier
for
people
to
contribute
and
develop.
Something
of
use
to
them.
I
think
is,
is
great.
I
I
just
don't
want
to
be
in
a
position
where
you
know
you
know:
I
I
grew
up
an
environment
where
you
could
tinker
with
computers,
and
you
know
learn.
You
know
how
everything
works
when
you
kind
of
get
this
environment.
We're
like
on
a
server
list
thing
is
like
you
know:
I
just
need
to
go.
Write
couple
functions,
tie
some
events
and
it
just
like
magically
Auto
scales.
D
D
People
use
is,
like
you
know,
you
know,
tons
of
people
drive
cars
every
day.
No
one
really
knows
you
know
how
you
know
the
car
works.
You
know
under
the
hood,
so
my
got
fair
enough.
Maybe
that's
that
will
and
for
you
know
the
future
of
apps.
You
know
for
the
next
decade
we'll
move
to
more
of
a
service
model
and
if
that
brings
a
whole
new
generation
of
developers,
awesome
I
think
I.
Think
it's
great.
We
need
more
software
developers
out
there.
So.
C
C
I
was
getting
feedback
from
the
from
some
people
who
I
was
talking
to
were
just
saying.
Well,
you
know,
I
the
company's
starting
to
use
kubernetes,
so
I
think
I
need
to
start
like
looking
into
it
and
you
know-
and
they
kind
of
like
seems
a
little
bit
hesitant
about
it,
but
the
crowd
here
their
reactions
a
little
bit
different
and
I
mean
well.
One
thing
that
would
really
I
think
is
really
would
be
exciting.
C
D
At
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
like
you
know
how
many
people
in
the
nude
and
JavaScript
communities
know
like
how
the
kernel
fully
works
right,
probably
not
not
many
I
mean
I.
Don't
think
you
need
to
know
the
full.
You
know.
Internals
kubernetes
is
a
little
bit
different
in
a
way
where
you
know
at
the
end
of
day,
if
you're
writing
a
distributed
application
in
your
services,
you
have
to
understand
a
little
bit,
but
I.
Don't
think
you
need
to
understand
the
full.
You
know
under
the
hood,
how
how
everything
fully
works,
but
well.
C
D
C
C
Curious
on
what
is
the
know
to
JavaScript
community
need
to
make
it
more
diverse
and
happy.
Is
there
any
viewpoint
on
that
Amina?
Do
you
see
anything
in
particular
from
you
know,
when
you
talk
to
people
about
or
when
you
look
at
across
the
community,
what
would
be
what
would
bring?
What
would
make
the
community
richer
in
terms
of
its
participation,
or
do
you
think
it's
pretty
far
ahead
of
other
communities?
What
you
seen
well.
B
That
shows
that,
when
more
diverse,
if
the
team
is
more
diverse,
they
have
better
results
in
every
sense,
so
I
think
diversity
is
very,
very
important
and
also,
for
example,
I
saw
video
like
a
couple
of
months
ago.
There
really
impact
with
me.
It
was
just
like
a
simple
soap
dispenser,
so
you
put
the
hands
and
it
give
you
soap
soap
right,
and
so
it
only
working
for
white
people.
If
of
that
person
put
the
hand
like
the
soap
couldn't
read
that
it
was
a
person,
there's
I
wouldn't
give
them
soap.
B
So
that's
why
I
like
diversity,
it's
so
important
like
for
me,
like
the
people
that
are
creating
soft
words
are
creating
technology.
I
creating
the
future
and
we
need
a
future
that
is
more
diverse
for
everybody.
So
we
have
like
a
better
word
right,
so
so
yeah.
I
think
we
definitely
need
more
diverse
communities
and
more
than
theirs
events
and
bully.
A
D
A
cross
I
think
all
that
a
ton
of
a
ton
of
factors,
Gio's
gender,
you
know,
etc.
One
thing
that
kind
of
was
interesting
for
me.
Reading
the
the
stackoverflow
server
survey
report,
where
I
think
it
was
the
majority
of
people
according
to
their
report,
but
it
were
had
less
than
I
think
three
years
or
three
to
five
years,
it's
like
as
it
as
a
developer,
so
just
also
making
sure
you're,
you
know
inclusive
for
for
people
that
are
new
to
the
craft.
D
C
I
know
it's
partly
our
responsibility
in
you
know
in
the
media
to
be
a
part
of
that.
I
really
believe
it
I
I
think
that
part
of
our
role
is
not
to
use
to
like
talk
to
people
from
various
backgrounds
and
really
get
their
get
their
perspectives
on
application,
development
or
or
application
management
right,
or
how
you
building
architectures
and
just
trying
to
reach
as
many
people
as
we
possibly
can,
who
are
representative
of
the
largest
society,
because
underrepresented
minorities
are
are
sorely
looked
over.
From
our
point
of
view,
yeah.
B
For
me,
I
think,
there's
a
lot
of
things
to
be
done.
For
example,
you
can
mentor
somebody
else
from
represented.
You
can
also
donate
money.
Also
one
of
the
things
that
I'm
from
Columbia
and
one
of
the
things
that
has
worked
a
lot
is
just
leaders
creating
meetups
or
conferences,
and
also
like
giving
all
these
opportunities
to
people
that
cannot
like
access
to
them.
So
so
yeah
there's
a
lot
of
things
to
be
done.
I
guess
I
actually
was
seeing
the
github
survey
and
it
was
really
impressive
that
the
open
source
community
is
growing.
B
C
Seems
like
at
least
you
know,
we
cover
the
the
cloud
Native
community
pretty
closely
and
and
there's
a
very
small,
it's
a
very
small
community
of
underrepresented
minorities,
but
there's
a
very
core
strong
group
of
people
who
are
very,
very
close
and
very
you
know,
supportive
of
each
other
and
it's
that
mentorship
and
that
you
know
and
that
those
peers
that
seem
to
be
so
important
for
those
communities
there
for
the
communities
to
really.
You
know
build
upon
that.
Yeah.
D
I
think
it
just,
it
has
to
be
part
of
your
values
and
you
know
for
us
to
help
run
developer
relations
at
the
Linux
Foundation
and
something
we
do
for
all
of
our
events
is,
you
know,
have
you
know
diversity?
You
know
scholarships
on
every
single,
you
know
event.
We
do
lunches,
networks
and
anything
to
kind
of
help,
connect
people,
you
know
I,
hope,
more
conferences.
You
know,
could
continue
to
do
that
type
of
work
also
meeting
people
where
they
are
so
you
know
doing
events
that
may
be
a
new
Gio's
and
stuff
like
that.
D
So
people
could
travel.
You
know.
Sometimes
you
know
we
held
a
cube
con
recently
a
couple
weeks
to
three
weeks
ago
and
we
were
running
to
people
that
could
had
like
visa
issues
coming
into
the
u.s.,
because
you
know
God
forbid.
We
can't
run
a
country
anymore,
but
you
know
it's
it's
it's
just
a
tough
situation.
Other.
A
A
B
A
B
That's
why
the
community
comes
in
like
people,
for
example,
I
have
in
the
community
I'm
from
we
volunteer
to
high
schools.
We
go
there
like
a
lot
of
community
leaders,
actually
come
from
high
schools,
and
people
were
teaching
each
other,
so
so
yeah
I
think
Ellie
is
a
great
example.
It's
awesome,
I
I,
hope
to
see
more
kids
and
more
girls
involved.
I.
C
Think
it's
also
the
people
in
this
room
right.
You
know
every
every
person
who's
sitting
in
this
room
right
now,
after
5
p.m.
on
a
Thursday
lunch
dog
Canada,
probably
many
far
far
from
home,
are
very
passionate
about
their
work,
I
mean
and
they
can
just
didn't
and
that
that's
just
always
gonna
be
shared
and
I.
Think
it's
just
the
more
opportunities
to
share
that
passion
and
share
that
dedication.
I
think
actually
can
be
very
self
fulfilling
too
so.
C
It's
so
many
things,
I
mean
you
know,
I'm
sure.
All
of
us
know
that
in
our
communities
with
local
meetups,
you
know
supporting
the
groups
that
are
really
supporting
under
represented
minorities.
Girls,
who
code
is
a
very
strong
chapter
in
Portland,
there's
I
think
there's
also
ways
to
reach
into
to
the
schools.
C
B
I
think
companies
must
be
involved
as
well
like
they.
They
have
the
resources
to
make
more
diverse
communities
and
yeah,
because
one
of
the
biggest
struggles,
especially
for
their
work
countries
and
is
money
right,
so
companies
should
be
able
to
give
more
and
yeah
I.
Think
companies,
you
know
so
like
people
in
general.
Just
like
volunteering
and
mentoring,
just
giving
worships
the
meetups
is
the
big
thing.
Yeah.
A
D
I
spend
I
run
our
local
kubernetes,
meetup
mentoring,
I've
helped
people
sometimes
land.
You
know
internships
that
they
may
not
have.
You
know
the
connection,
because
you
know
that
you
know
I,
think
you
know.
There's
tons
of
developers
out
there
but
like
opportunity
is
not
something.
That's
necessarily
you
know
equally
spread.
You
know
to
everyone,
so
just
making
that
connection
you
know,
for
someone
definitely
definitely
helps
absolutely.
A
D
Me
like
every
day,
I,
don't
know
how
many
people
follow,
there's
an
account
called
Internet
of
on
Twitter,
yes,
one
of
the
best
ones
right,
and
so
it's
just
like
every
day.
It's
just
like.
Why
do
we
need
like
something
that
like
makes
cookies?
You
know
it
needs
to
have
like
an
IP.
So
if
they're
like
SMS
me
when
the
cookies
are
done
or
like
it
recently,
it
was
like
a
toilet
needs.
A
firmware,
update
and
you're
like.
B
D
D
The
thing
that
terrifies
me
is,
you
know,
let's
say
non-traditional
tech
companies
may
not
be
the
best
tech
savvy
folks,
so
they
may
not
like
update
their
dependencies
as
much
even
developers
in
that
crowd,
like
you
know
how
many
people
here
like
when
they
publish
to
NPM,
like
how
many
do
you,
people
like
sign
your
packages
and
also
have
to
FA
enabled
on
your
account
I,
don't
think
it's
everyone
in
this
in
this
room,
there's
one.
Oh.
B
D
If
you
know
someone
hacks
it
and
messes
with
the
temperature
and
drives
me
crazy,
so
it's
like
it
does
I
think
security
is,
is
a
global
thing
that
we
have
to
all
work
together
on,
improve
and
and
it's
and
it
cuts
across
communities.
It's
not
only.
You
know
that
the
no
door
open
jazz
community.
You
know
we
have
an
increment
Eddie's
land.
We
we
recently
sponsored
a
bunch
of
security
audits
for
our
communities.
I
would
love
that
something
that
opens
yes
could
do
to
kind
of
fund
these
things.
D
C
I
was
just
actually
I
was
just
looking
at
from
the
snick
presentation
today.
Did
anyone
go
to
the
sneak
presentation
today?
Was
it
revealing
to
you
yeah
the
super
revealing
and
like
the
new
root
vulnerabilities,
each
you've
got
each
year
by
ecosystem.
It's
you
know,
NPM
is
just
gone
whoop
and
you
know,
but
it's
true
too,
for
a
cross.
Open-Source
I
mean
you.
You
see
this
across
the
community
yeah.
D
D
It's
it's
such
a
multi-faceted
problem,
because
there's
just
no
one
solution
right
like
it
could
be
bad
dependencies,
it
could
be
maintain
errs
that
disappear.
Like
all
this
stuff
happens,
it's
really
like
a
cultural
change
that
you
have
to
do
to
kind
of
get
things,
and
it's
something
we
should
all
work
together
across
are.
C
B
D
Absolutely
I
was
like:
maybe
we
should
have
like
we
usually
have
like
meetups
to
like
learn
about
like
new
languages.
Maybe
it's
like.
Let's
just
do
like
a
meet-up
to
like
hey
everyone
turn
on
to
FA,
please
or
something
well,
yes,
teach
people
the
benefits,
but
I
don't
know
something
needs
to
be
done.
It
definitely
keeps
keeps
me
up
well.
C
This
is
the
existential
crisis,
so
I
think
this
is
the
2020
existential
crisis,
and
actually
this
is
the
biggest
threat
I
think
to
the
node
in
JavaScript,
community
and
I.
Think
you
know
it's
security.
They
are
none
and
it's
not
just
node,
it's
not
just
JavaScript,
but
we're
here
and
nodejs
coughing.
So
I'm
like
you
know
that,
but
that's.