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A
A
Yeah,
so
thanks
for
everyone
for
coming
for
today's
TFC
meeting
I
think
we
have
agenda.
We
want
to
just
talk
about
our
process
of
moving
our
project
to
open
JS,
Among
Us.
You
know
we
submit
application,
Tech,
Geo
residual,
Capital,
GL,
plus
floma
blue,
who
submit
a
separate
application
to
join
openjs
and
so
far
according
to
Brian,
the
it
has
been
pretty
positive.
Things
are
working
moving
along.
A
B
No
just
it
seems
like
well
I,
I
guess:
I
can
give
a
quick
update
on
the
feedback
here,
so
Vision
Kepler
both
of
those
have
enough
votes
to
be
accepted,
as
you
know,
as
openjs
Foundation
projects,
which
is
awesome,
I,
actually
I,
built
a
year
into
the
time
frame
here.
Just
assuming
that
this
is
going
to
be
the
slow
part
of
the
process
it
turns
out,
it
was
the
fast
part
of
the
process.
B
The
response
on
flow
flow,
matte,
blue,
nobody's
opposed
to
the
project,
but
there
is
some
concern
about
it:
being
a
soul,
maintainer
project
and
in
the
past
openjs
has
said
you
know
we
really
are
looking
for
projects
which
have
multiple
maintainers
and
multiple
contributors,
so
I
think
the
the
path
forward
here
is
probably
pretty
straightforward.
If
we
can
fold
flumet,
Blues
governance
under
viz
or
Kepler,
then
it
just
becomes.
Basically
a
non-issue
and
flowmap
can
reuse
their
application
at
any
point
anytime
in
the
future.
B
If
it
does
end
up
being,
you
know
a
project
with
a
broader
contributor
and
broader
maintainer
base.
Just
you
know
to
be
to
be
abundantly
clear
on
this
there
there
are
no
concerns
with
the
project
itself.
None
that
have
been
communicated
to
me.
It's
really
just
kind
of
the
it.
B
Typically,
the
projects
that
come
into
openjs
have
more
contributors
and
more
maintainers
as
to
be
Standalone
separate
projects
so
I,
you
know
from
my
perspective,
I
I
don't
have
a
strong
opinion,
one
way
or
another
which
project
adopt
slow
map
under
its
governance.
Maybe
you
can
make
a
suggestion
and
we
can
go
from
there,
but
that
is
the
last
approval.
That's
needed
on
the
projects.
I
think
Chris
you
and
I
had
exchanged.
B
Some
emails,
I
believe
about
filling
out
the
application
for
the
collaboration
space,
which
is
basically
that's
where
the
attack
would
live
from
now
on,
or
from
from
that
point
onward,
it's
really
straightforward.
You
basically
have
all
the
documentation
already,
it's
just
a
matter
of
copying
it
into
the
template
and
then
us
running
a
really
quick
vote
on
it.
B
We're
just
right
at
the
we're
right
at
the
very
end,
so
I
think
once
those
two
things
are
taken
care
of.
That's
everything.
The
attack
needs
to
know
about.
C
B
D
So,
in
a
sense,
I
I
do
think
apple
is
a
great
example
of
like
another
project,
that's
kind
of
in
a
similar
position.
That's
primarily
me
that
contributes
to
it
and
I
was
on
the
fence
about
whether
or
not
I
would
apply
as
like
a
separate
project
or
within
this
GL
Live
member
and
ultimately
just
went
into
this
GL
for
the
governance
structure,
because
I
mean
there's
no
like
it's
set
up
in
a
way
where
I
can
maintain
it
and
it's
fine,
it
goes
under
the
I.
D
Have
you
know,
I'll
just
use
the
same
governance
model
that
this
GL
has
and
it's
a
great
structure,
yeah,
and
it
doesn't
really
need
to
be
in
a
separate
project.
There's
no
benefit
if
anything,
it's
kind
of
nice
to
have
a
government
structured
to
kind
of
tag
along
with
so
yeah
Plus
flow
map,
a
lot
like
Hubble
Is,
tightly
integrated
with
deck
and
Luma
in
the
sense
that
they
kind
of
work
and
March
forward
together,
like
flow
map,
is
primarily
a
deck
GL
layer.
D
So
it's
you
know
if
deck
GL
changes
in
a
fundamental
way
flow
map
is
going
to
need
to
change.
In
a
fundamental
way
for
that
compatibility
to
stay
there,
so
it's
a
good
companion
in
that
sense,
okay,
yeah.
B
So
I
I
will
I
think
earlier
is
the
maintainer
on
that
one
right.
It
was
if
I
recall
correctly
so
I'll
just
reach
out
and
just
make
sure
that
they're
okay
with
that
as
well
I
mean
from
a
from
a
very
practical
perspective.
It
doesn't
change
anything
access
to
resources
doesn't
change
the
only
thing
that
it
changes
is
just
number
of
votes
for
the
for
the
representative
from
this
group
of
projects
onto
the
cross
project,
Council,
which
you
know.
B
That's
that
that's
a
fairly
minor
thing:
it
doesn't
it's
not
going
to
change
anything
from
the
day-to-day
development
perspective.
F
There
is
one
repository
that
we
use
to
host
the
docs,
but
all
the
code
is
and.
B
Okay,
so
I
I'll
send
an
email
and
once
I
get
confirmation
that
this
is.
You
know
this
looks
good
all
around
then
we'll
communicate
that
back-
and
you
know
at
this
point,
openjs
is
working
through
the
process
of
putting
together
an
announcement,
so
you
know
hopefully
they'll
be
reaching
out
for
for
more
details
here.
I
was
just
asked
for
some
of
the
information
last
night,
so
this
is
good.
A
C
B
Sorry,
do
you
mean
CPC,
or
do
you
mean
the
collaboration.
B
Yeah
collaborations
face
so
yeah.
That
makes
sense,
so
the
collaboration
spaces
is
just
basically
the
name
of
what
the
tack
becomes.
That's
the
structure
that
they
have.
The
CPC
is
the
actual.
Like
that's
kind
of
the
top
technical
committee,
it's
the
equivalent
of
a
TSC
or
a
Tac
for
openjs
as
a
whole.
F
E
D
To
me,
but
yeah
I,
think
I
think
a
great
initial
set
of
members
for
the
this
collaboration
space
would
be
the
The
Architects
of
the
current
and
all
members
of
the
attack,
all
members
of
the
current
board,
and
probably
that
would
be
a
good
initial
set.
You
know:
active
contributors,
active
Architects,
active
maintainers.
D
Maybe
I
shouldn't
say
maintainers
unless
you
want
that
so
I
know
that
in
this
GL
there's
a
difference
between
I
think
maintainer
contributor
in
the
third
one.
Is
that
right,
xiaoji.
D
Yeah,
so
it
sounded
like
steering
committee
members,
whoever
the
active
ones
are
definitely
the
board
members
and
I
guess.
The
only
open
question
is
if
anybody
else
wants
to
be
on
that
isn't
in
those
groups
that
is
like
an
active
maintainer.
D
E
D
Yeah,
there's
there's
no
there's
no
like
limit
to
the
number
of
people
that
can
be
in
like
at
this
position.
It's
I
think
if
I
understand
correctly
there's.
Basically
this
position,
which
is
kind
of
a
maintainer
active
participant
in
architecture,
discussions
and
then
there's
like
community
members
and
so
a
Community
member
that
becomes
active,
would
then
you
know,
could
be
invited
to
or
asked
to
become
a
part
of
of
this
collaboration
space,
foreign.
D
D
An
email
going
between
this
initial
set
of
members
that
you
collected
that
way
we
all
kind
of
know
who
we've
got
on
that
list
and
it's
a
chance
for
someone
to
say.
Oh
actually,
I
think
this
other
person
should
be
involved
too,
before
we
kind
of
finalize
that
list
and
that
way
we're
kind
of
being
open
about
it
and
making
sure
there's
a
chance
for
people
that
should
be
a
part
of
it
to
be
part
of
it
and
I
think
also.
D
It
seems
like
another
step
after
this
is
once
this
space
is
established.
It
is
we're,
then,
going
to
have
to
clarify
all
our
documentation
around
who
is
in
the
space.
How
do
you
become
a
member
of
the
space
which
is
really
just
kind
of
a
carryover
from
some
of
our
old
documentation,
but
we've
got
a
lot
of
old
names
on
docs
and
stuff
of
people
that
aren't
really
active
anymore,
and
so
this
is
like,
maybe
a
chance
to
to
to
refresh
that
list.
E
Yeah
I,
just
also
that
I
am
because
I
missed
last
name
is
last
meeting
what
happens
with
the
organizations
that
we're
sponsoring
the
urban
computer
Foundation?
Are
you
guys
going
to
join
now?
The
so
Foundation.
B
Could
say
it
best?
Yeah
I
was
gonna,
say
the
the
way
that
we
handled
this
was
the
organizations
that
are
on
the
governing
board,
get
12
months,
free
membership
at
the
silver
level
in
the
openjs
foundation.
That
basically
reflects
dues
paid,
and
you
know
kind
of
a
thank
you
for
going
through
this
process
on
the
on
the
governing
board
side,
and
then
they
would
just
become
regular
silver
members
of
the
openjs
foundation.
B
So
if
you
are
looking
for
an
organization
to
join,
then
openjs
would
be
the
would
be
the
one-
and
you
know
it's
an
umbrella
project
similar
to
the
urban
Computing
Foundation.
Where
it's
you
know,
membership
it
helps
support
node.
It
helps
support
all
these
others.
It
helps
support
webpack
help
support.
You
know
electron.
You
know
just
it's
very
similar
in
the
sense
that
this
is
just
a
bigger
umbrella.
E
A
Okay,
so
moving
on,
let's
discuss
Javier's.
This
is
good
topics.
Do
you
want
to
bring
up
your
topic.
E
Sure
I
mean
it's
not
much.
I
mean
like
this
comes
from
approach.
You
guys
I
mean
this
is
a
limited
people.
A
group
of
people
here
today,
but
essentially
I
mean
I.
Think
right
now,
with
the
work
that
we've
been
doing
with
Google
and
you
know
potentially
work
that
might
come
from
Azure
on
AWS
I.
E
Think
you're,
like
they're,
starting
to
raise
more
interest
on
Deck
GL
as
a
as
the
visualization
layer
for
a
lot
of
data
providers,
which
is
great
I,
think
it's
going
to
be
very
good
and
one
of
the
things
that
you
know
when
I
mean
talks
to
some
of
them
around
about
why
they
should
support
xgl.
E
So
on
is
that
I
tell
them
like
they
should
try
to
contribute
with
contributors
actually
on
the
tal,
and
you
know
to
improve
the
community,
and
you
know
beyond
you
know
just
recommending
deck
GL
on
top
of
their
products
and
so
on.
So
as
part
of
that,
one
of
the
kind
of
realizations
was
that
you
know,
like
many
of
those
organizations,
have
a
hard
time
actually
putting
contributing
into
these
projects,
but
I
think
it
wouldn't
be
too
hard
to
actually
get
resources
from
them.
E
Actually
ask
them
for
money
to
to
help
the
deck
gr
project
I
think
so.
This
is
particular
I
mean
I
I,
don't
want
to
name.
You
know
in
particular,
but
you're
right
that
was
kind
of
like
the
the
Russian
app
behind
it,
and
then
we
were
thinking
about
it.
You
said
like
well,
we
think
with
all
the
things
that
are
happening
in
openjs
foundation
and
with
some
of
the
upgrades
you
know
that
we've
been
doing
on
the
code
base
as
well.
E
I
I
think
it
might
be
a
good
moment
to
to
do
a
little
bit
of
a
rebump
of
the
project
from
a
community
design
website
perspective
I
mean
the
minimum
guys.
We
need
our
logo.
We
really
need
a
lot.
I
mean
I'm,
I'm,
tired,
you
know
like
I'm,
putting
the
on
presentations
without
a
logo.
I
think
it's
everyday,
so
that's
the
minimum,
but
then
I
thought
you
know
like
it
might
be
a
good
idea
to
think
about
like
hey
what,
if
we
think
about,
like
you
know
doing
a
revamp
of
our
website.
E
Maybe
improving
you
know
like
the
examples,
maybe
improving
the
documentation.
I,
don't
know,
do
you
name
it?
What
is
what
are
the
things
that
could
maybe
make
it
better
to
make
it
more
attractive
for
contributors
to
contribute,
or
you
know
like
or
for
users
to
use
it
I
think
right
now,
probably
looking
more
for
contributors
than
users,
but
I
mean,
but
those
two
things
are
probably
very
linked
together.
E
So
my
proposal
that
I
wanted
and
I
started
with
a
bad
success
was
to
actually
ask
that
actually
a
comedian
is
not
and
what
things
would
you
like
to
see
improve
and
not
be
much
feedback
just
a
little
bit
like
I
can
share
it,
but
but
essentially
I
mean
like
it
doesn't
seem
to
be
much
engagement
and
based
on
your
response
guys.
So
either
you
guys
are
very
busy
or
no
one
really
cares
too
much
about
this.
But
I
think
this
is
the
type
of
things
that
you
know
like
I
could
do.
E
I
cannot
probably
quote
it
to
the
GL,
but
I
can
probably
try
to
mobilize
a
project
that
you
know
cool
organize.
You
know
like
a
revamp
of
certain
things,
so
one
of
my
first
proposal
was
to
actually
do
a
prayer
like
we
get
ideas
of
things,
and
we
can.
We
can
ask
for
whatever
we
want.
We
need
a
better
website
and
we
want
it
this
way.
E
E
The
way
that
we
want
it
and
then
I
can
try
to
actually
look
for
some
of
those
not
really
pay
for
it,
and
that
was
kind
of
like
one
way
that
I
could
think
that
if
you
know
like,
if
we
do
it
and
then
we
do
a
big
announcement,
you
know
like
with
some
of
this
I
mean
it
could
be
a
good
bump
to
our
our
project.
That's
one
thing
on
the
process:
I
said:
I
also
found
a
company
that
I
have
a
presentation
from
I.
Don't
know
if
you
know
when
it's
called
open
teams.
E
E
I
told
him
that
I
was
going
to
show
you
this
today,
just
so
to
so
I
I
know,
I
mean,
but
there's
this
is
a
company
that
actually
helps
open
source
projects.
Actually
you
know,
like
you
know,
like
just
succeed.
More
I
mean
like
it
helps
companies
and
their
open
source
projects.
It's
not.
You
know
like
just
normally.
Normally
it
is
a
company
who
pays
this
company
to
improve
their
open
source
projects.
So
they've
worked
in
person
like
numpy
sci-fi
pandas,
a
lot
of
like
very,
very
important
projects.
E
Development
resources,
if
you
want
to
so
so
they
gave
me
these
four
slides
because
I
told
them
like
look.
It
would
be
great
if
you,
if
I
can
present
it
to
you
know
to
the
committee
and
or
whatever
we
want
to
call
this
and
I
see
you
like
this.
Essentially
what
this,
as
you
said,
they
work
with
many
large
organizations.
What
this
like,
they
suggested,
I
told
them
like.
E
Take
a
look
at
the
GL
at
the
repo,
and
what
do
you
see
and
they
say
well,
there's
some
obvious
things,
so
they
provide
even
Consulting
towards
hey.
You
should
maybe
consider
like
making
a
very
a
better
use
of
first
issue
labels.
You
know,
like
certain
things
that,
in
their
experience,
have
actually
helped
to
grow
open
source
communities,
so
so
these
are
some
of
the
ideas
that
they
put.
You
know
like
in
the
brief
overview,
but
in
this
presentation
what
I'm
putting
here
is
you're
saying
like
hey?
E
Are
we
interested
in
talking
to
them
if
you're
interested
I?
Can
the
next
step
will
be
that
I
can
ask
them
to
actually
make
a
proposal
of
the
things
that
they
will
propose
to
do
and
they
will
put
a
budget
and
we
can
ask
them
to
add
whatever
we
think
it
needs
to
be
done,
and
then
I
could
tell
responsibility
to
try
to
raise
money
to.
C
E
For
it,
that's
what
I
want
to
say
so.
E
Ourselves
we
try
to
put
what
we
want
and
you
know
we
write
in
a
document
exactly
what
we
want
to
make
it
happen
and
so
on
the
other.
Maybe
we
we
use
a
company
like
this,
but
I
think
right
now,
there's
probably
more
money
more
companies
wanting
to
contribute
money
than
actually
you
know
want
to
contribute
contributors,
so
that
was
kind
of
I
would
say
like.
Maybe
then
it
makes
sense
that
we
try
to
do
something
to
improve
that.
So
that's
India.
C
I
think
I
I
think
the
survey
was
only
posted
on
the
general
channel
of
slack.
That
channel
has
like
over
400
people
in
it
and
there's
a
lot
of
noise.
C
So
it's
it's
easy
to
to
to
to
get
like
run
out
in
all
the
conversations
we
have
in
the
past
had
a
like
a
banner
thing
in
the
website
where
people
who
visit
can
can
go,
click
on
it,
but
I
think
the
fastest
way
to
get
a
quality
response
is
just
for
us,
regular
maintainers
to
to
reach
out
to
people.
C
F
Think
it's
also
easier
if
you
like
I,
mean
just
asking
I
I
looked
briefly
at
it
and
I
think
that
it
contained
these
questions
like
do
you
have
any
ideas
for
how
to
improve
things,
but
I
think
it's
kind
of
you
have
to
really
think
I
mean
the
documentation
is
not
that
bad
and
so
like,
but
of
course
it
can
be
improved,
but
exactly
how
but
I
think
it
sounded
a
Serbian
Kepler
at
one
point
and
provided
very
clear
questions,
you
know:
how
would
you
prioritize
these
different
features
and
and
so
on,
I
think
that
got
a
lot
of
feedback,
yeah
I
think
about
over
a
thousand
replies,
and
but
then
it
was
really
like
we
do
which
of
these
features?
F
E
Know
I
mean
I
mean
full
honest
I
mean,
like
east
side,
is
new
to
the
project.
That's
why
I
asked
to
collaborated
that
maybe
we
didn't
put
enough
effort
to
make
it
much
more
engaging
so
so
I
can
that's
definitely
one
point:
make
it
more
engaging
the
others
having
a
better
distribution
through
either
a
banner
or
actually
directly
ourselves,
asking
contributions
right.
D
D
But
I
I
was
reading
through
I
mean
the
other
day.
I
opened
up
on
my
phone
and
I
think.
That
was
why
I
didn't
fill
it
out
completely,
but
I
liked
the
questions.
I
thought
they
were.
D
They
were
useful
and
also
the
fact
that
most
of
them,
weren't
required,
meaning
I,
could
put
up
I
could
I
could
fill
out
a
partial
which
is
like
great
because
sometimes
I
can
only
get
so
far
through
it
and
then
I
at
least
want
to
like
save
my
work
or
give
them
what
I
did
fill
in
or
just
do
the
the
one
to
five
ratings,
but
we
could
put
it
like
as
a
bookmark
in
the
slack,
so
it's
pinned
up
at
top
that
way
it
doesn't
get
lost
in
the
noise.
D
That's
like
a
no
effort
thing.
We
could
do
like
right
now
and
then
I
think
putting
it
on
our
website
as
a
banner
would
also
be
pretty
great.
Is
that
off.
E
The
blog,
the
diving,
that's
great:
what
do
you
guys
think
about
like
engaging
with
a
company
like
open
teams
to
give
us
some
sort
of
like
an
external
outfit,
because
what
they?
What
I
like
about,
is
like
I
I
like
the
website
I
mean
not
generally
run
and
I
know
the
documentation
now,
because
I've
been
saying
now
for
years,
so
I
can
go
through
it
very
nicely,
but
but
someone
that
can
say
like
well
look.
This
is
a
little
bit
hard
for
people
to
get
started.
E
You
know
like
they,
you
might
want
to
improve
their
boarding.
I
I,
don't
know
whatever
get
the
sale
of
you
know
like
an
external
eyes
nowaday
towards
you
know
like
with
the
recommendations
that
then
combined
with
what
the
community
has
told
us.
We
actually
make
into
an
actual
proposal
and
I'm,
actually
even
thinking
that
this
company
could
even
make
the
proposal
itself.
I
mean
like
that's
what
they
this
guy
companies
do,
I'm
just
trying
to
optimize
here.
E
F
Of
course,
I
love
getting
you
know,
investment
into
I'm
always
trying
to
get
more
investment
into.
You
know
the
bsgl
Frameworks
in
the
xgl
and
trying
to
convince
people
to
contribute-
and
you
know
and
I
have
been
able
to
do.
As
you
know,
a
couple
of
so
we've
had
a
big
project
with
Google
on
the
earth
engine
layers
and
we
S3
is
still
actively
working.
You
know,
we've
been
working
for
years
now
with
their
i3s
loaders.
Those
are
good
examples,
but
generally
I
mean
I.
F
I
have
talked
to
a
lot
of
companies,
and
you
know
you,
you
know
I've
gotten
a
lot
of
no's
I
mean
there
is
some
interest,
but
really
getting
them
to
open
the
you
know
the
wallet
and
contribute.
F
But
you
know
you,
you
haven't
you
ever
caught
with
a
strong
reputation
and
you
seem
optimistic
right.
So.
E
C
E
Thing
that
you
know
it's
important
to
take
in
consideration,
that's
why
I
think
you
know
like
even
maybe
open
Themes
is
a
good
path,
because
you
know
like
making
a
good
proposal
for
raising
money
takes
time
and
except
for
it.
So
all
I
can
say.
Is
that
I
when
I
talk
to
Google
I
told
her
like,
like
guys
if
you
are
benefiting
a
lot
from
the
GL
ory
I
mean
minimum
I
said
like
you
should
maintain
your
own
packets?
That's
the
minimum.
I
think
we're
gonna
get.
E
That
second,
is
if
they
put
contributors
on
the
idea
or
paying
you
know,
to
improve
the
community
and
and
I
think
you
know,
I
forgot
to
to
pay
you
and
I
to
become
part
of
the
European.
Foundation
might
be
a
bit
more
complicated
because
they
always
say
no.
No,
we
need
you.
You
want
to
sponsor
this
project
to
actually
make
the
the
project
better
and
it's
fifty
thousand
dollars,
because
we
can
have
50
000
from
Microsoft
and
fifty
from
AWS
I.
E
F
E
F
The
product
becomes
important
to
the
the
health
of
the
project
should
be
also.
Longevity
should
be
important
to
them
and
if
you
can,
if
you
know,
if
you
can
help
us,
provide
a
really
good
story
around
that,
how
we
how
we
can
take
care
of
that,
but
we
need
a
little
bit
of
funding.
Then
it
may
be
possible,
so
I
I
absolutely
support
it.
I
mean
right.
F
F
E
E
Like
don't
ask
me
that
that
would
all
happen,
yeah
look,
I,
don't
know,
I
mean,
like
I,
think
you're
like
what
I
suggest
the
next
the
problem.
Things
like
you
know
like
it's
an
audience.
I
said:
can
we
actually
put
this
on
this
black,
promote
it
a
little
bit
more?
What
we
have
right
now
we
start
collecting,
maybe
maybe
it
could
be
better
I
tell
the
open,
Team,
open,
Team
company,
hey
guys,
make
us
a
proposal.
I
and
I
told
you
on
tell
them
already
We're
Not
Gonna
fund
it.
E
We
don't
have
the
money,
the
foundation
either.
You
know
these
companies.
What
I'm
going
to
do
is
I'm
gonna
get
your
proposal.
I'm
gonna
go
to
Google
and
Microsoft
I'm
gonna.
Tell
them
like
you
guys,
can
help
pay
for
this,
and
if
they
pay
for
this,
then
that
money
goes
to
that
company
and
then,
ideally,
we
get
a
nice
report.
You
know
with
ideas
about
how
to
do,
and
so
on
and
a
budget
to
make
them
happen,
and
then
hopefully
this
happens,
and
none
of
us
actually
have
to
do
much
work.
E
And
I
I
wish
I
could
say
you
know
like
I'm
gonna
vacate.
You
know
like
two
days
a
week
to
actually
make
this
happen
myself
and
the
company,
but
it's
it's
just
unrealistic
and
I.
Don't
think
you
know
you
guys
are
also
can
dedicate
a
lot
of
time.
I
mean
none.
F
E
I'm
not
saying
you're
like
I
know,
I
mean
we
are
the
heroes
who
we
are
here
so
I'm.
Definitely
on
that
one
so
I
know
it
because
it's
the
thing
you
know
like
for
us.
It
tends
to
be
easier
right
now
to
contribute
to
parts
of
the
deal.
But
you
know
this
is
the
maybe
the
part
that
we
can
actually
Outsource.
D
I,
don't
I,
don't
have
any
issues
with
wanting
to
pursue
a
proposal
on
how
we
can
learn
to
improve
our
our
sites
and
issues
does.
Does
anybody
have
any
concerns
about
about
the
person.
F
I
mean
it
would
be,
it
would
obviously
be
great
to
have
a
have
a
good
plan
for
how
we
can
improve
and
take
our
sites
to
the
next
level.
I
mean
the
state
of
the
art
of
interactive,
the
you
know,
documentation
is
improving
every
year
right
and
so
I'm
sure,
there's
great
ideas
out
there
for
how
we
can
make
it
really
really
awesome
site,
and
we
can
probably
really
think
about
it.
There's
probably
problems.
F
F
This
is
how
you
know
this
would
help
grow,
grow
the
community
and
the
longevity,
and
all
of
that-
and
you
know
why
not
float-
that
with
companies
like
big
companies
that
are
invested
in
this
and
give
them
an
opportunity
to
ask
them
if
they
can
help
us
fund
it.
You
know
all
we
can
get
is
a
no
and
then
maybe
you
know.
At
least
we
have
a
plan
for
how
to
improve
things
on
our
own.
E
Cool
I'll
take
care
of
it.
I'll
I'll,
send
it
to
these
guys
and
say
like
we
are:
okay,
actually
Demi
investing
on
making
a
proposal
and
then
I'll
sell
it
around
Saudi
well
I'm
already
in
Qatar
with
the
Azure
Maps
team,
they
are
committed
to
the
jail.
So
so
that's
great
for
everybody
else.
You
know
I,
don't
know
if
you
guys
are
familiar,
but
as
your
Maps
is
a
similar
service
to
Amazon
location
map
box
and
so
on,
and
let's
tell
you
it's
your
company.
Do
you
want
to
say
anything?
Oh.
C
I
I
didn't
I,
didn't
know
if
they
got
back
to
you,
they
ping
me
again
later
and
basically
tell
me
to
pitch
what
actually
I
would
help
them
and
I
did
and
it
went
into
a
black
hole
again.
I,
don't
know
what
they're
doing.
E
Well,
I
think
they're
still
figuring
out
what
they're
doing
but
I
think
from
what
I
got
they
like
the
idea
of
like
the
jail
I
mean
it's
I
mean
I.
Guess
I
mean
it's
what
we
always
we
all
know
it
doesn't
make
sense
for
any
company
today
to
actually
start
its
own
visualization
layer
for
base
maps
from
scratch.
It
just
doesn't
make
sense
and
under
differentiation
is
not.
E
You
know
like
on
these
and
you're
like
so
if
they
can
come
in
and
the
technology
is
super
compatible
because
Azure
Maps
is
kind
of
like
a
fork
of
map
of
Cl,
so
it's
pretty
straightforward
for
them,
because
I
just
get
to
use
it
and
so
on
so
yeah,
so
I
think
I.
Think
we're
in
I
think
we
believe
we
might
have
some
contributors
through
that
and
the
Google
team
was
also
positive
about
certainly
putting
contributors.
We
will
see
they
all
say
so
and
then
later
they
don't
do
anything.
E
I'll
take
care
of
this
and
if
you
got
any
any
other
company
I
just
don't
want
to
I,
don't
want
to
send
this
to
you
know
like
Foursquare
or
you
know,
or
because
I
forgot
the
company
that
you
work
on
yeah,
yeah,
yeah.
So
I
don't
understand
that,
because
I
mean
this,
our
companies
are
already
contributing
a
lot
so
that
I'd,
rather
you
know,
have
this
funding
by
some
of
these
other
people.
D
So
yeah
I
think
that's
a
great
idea.
I
I
want
to
do
do
the
aws's
or
Google
contributors.
Do
you
know
that
they
do?
They
need
to
know
what
to
contribute
to,
or
is
it
more
they
haven't
even
like?
Is
it
a
chicken?
What
kind
of
chicken
and
egg
problem
are
we
working
with
when
it
comes
to
you
know
getting
contributions
from
their
engineers?
E
So
well,
Google
was
very
Google
when
we
started
working
with
them
at
the
My
overall
perspective,
and
you
you've
been
also
working
with
them
for
some
time.
I
think
overall,
Google,
AWS
and
last
year
have
for
a
long
time.
Well,
most
of
them.
They
have
not
yet
figured
out
their
strategy
around
data
visualization,
they
all
have
their
own
libraries
and
they
have
some
forms
of
visualizations.
But
when
I
say
like
visualization,
geospatives
is
because
very
often
they
have
not
even
thought
their
entire
space
or
kind
of
like
a
strategy
percent.
E
They
have
Geo
support
in
multiple
places
and
so
on,
and
when
you
show
them
that
you
know
like
Geo
visualization
and
something
like
that,
GL
is
very
important
to
complete
the
picture
of
the
other
products
and
so
on.
They
understand
it,
but
it's
not
really.
No,
it
is
in
no
one's
roadmap.
It
is
in
no
one's,
like
part
of
you
know
like
the
work
in
a
way,
then.
E
The
other
thing
that
happens
is
that
you
know
we've
been
pretty
good
on
our
own
to
actually
add
support
to
all
these
things
without
them
doing
anything,
so
it
just
happens
for
them.
It's
like
great
someone
has
done
it.
You
know
like
in
a
way
so
that
was
it
with
Google.
There
was
other
things
with
Google
one
of
the
reasons
why
they
did
not
want
to
commit
more
to
the
xdl,
and
we
we
I'm
glad
that
we
overcome
it
was
changes
on
the
website,
because
the
website
was
very
map.
E
Centric
and-
and
you
know,
and
they
saw
themselves
like
big
deal-
was
not
necessarily
A
Fair
competition
place
I.
Think
now
the
website
has
changed
so
that
it
looks
very
base
map
independent,
and
that
is
great
because
everybody
feels
like
okay,
that
GL
is
not
going
to
tell
you
to
use
Google,
Maps,
mapbox
or,
and
that's
how
it's
soon,
let's
take
and
and
I
think
you
know
that
is
opening
up
now
also
opportunities
like
that,
and
that
is
honestly.
It
just
requires.
E
You
know,
like
promotion
from
our
site,
I
want
to
visit
the
Azure
Maps,
guys
I
saw
them
the
project.
You
know
like
they
have
another
meeting.
Let's
say
you
guys
do
not
create
your
own
visualization
layer.
You
should
do
this
and
so
on.
So
you
see
so
so
it's
it's
there.
It's
just
like
it
was
in
no
one's
priority.
They
didn't
see
it
as
such.
A
core
priority.
You
know
for
completing
their
product
in
part,
was
already
done
by
someone
else
you
know
like,
but
the
opportunity
is
there.
E
D
Okay,
yeah
that's
great
background.
Thanks
for
sharing
that
I,
it
made
me
think
of
like
another
question
for
maybe
IB
and
sauji,
like
related
to
kind
of
our
background
architecture,
web
GPU
in
particular.
Like
do,
we
have
any
updates
on
where
that
might
be
going
over
the
next
time
period,
since,
if
it
kind
of
interacts
with
all
these
different
pieces,
we're
talking
about
too.
C
Our
plan
is
to
integrate
the
upcoming
Luma
v9
Alpha
into
the
DAC
code
base.
It's
my
understanding
of
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong,
the
API
is
still
Backward
Compatible,
so
you
can
still
import
the
old
classes
from
Luma,
so
the
existing
deck
code
does
not
have
to
change
that
much,
but
eventually
we
will
migrate
to
the
new
Luma
API,
which
is
more
web
GPU
like
and
it
will
use
web
GPU
if
it's
supported
and
will
fall
back
to
webgl.
If
not
and.
C
F
No
I
mean
I
did
a
really
big
push.
I
spent
three
months,
you
know
refactoring
Luma,
GL,
and
so
it
now
Luma
jail
is
now
an
abstract
API,
consisting
of
a
number
of
interfaces
you
get
hold
of
a
device,
and
then
you
use
the
device
to
create
things
like
textures
and
render
pipelines
and
buffers
and
so
on
and
now
there
is
an
implementation
of
that
device,
which
is
a
webgl
device,
and
there
is
a
web
GPU
device.
F
So
so
you
can
use
the
same
API
in
both
cases
and
then
I've
created
I've,
kept
all
the
old
classes
and
implemented
them
on
top
of
the
webgl
device
classes.
So
it
is
possible
to
still
use
the
old
API.
Obviously,
then
you
don't
get
the
web
GPU
support,
but
there's
a
lot
of
refactoring,
that's
going
on
under
the
hood.
F
So
a
very
good
first
step
is
to
upgrade
deck
GL
to
the
new
lumateral
B9
by
staying
with
the
old
V8
API,
and
then
we
need
to
find
I
mean
for
sure
I've
broken
things
right,
and
so
we
need
to
kind
of
go
through
that
testing
cycle
and
at
least
figure
out
the
things
that
don't
work.
F
And
then
you
know
go
back
and
fix
them
in
in
Luma,
and
then
you
know,
then
we
have
a
decade
of
the
transom
Luma
glv9,
and
that
makes
and
from
that
step,
starting
to
adopting
the
new
API
will
be
quite
straightforward.
Also
illumajel.
The
v9
is
Rewritten
from
the
ground
up
in
typescript,
so
it's
which
will
help
tremendously
in
the
upgrade,
and
especially
now
that
Tech
gel
is
also
adopting
typescript,
so
it
will
really
catch.
F
A
lot
of
the
errors
would
be
subtle,
right,
small,
like
type
structural
differences
and
types,
and
so
on
that
will
all
be
caught
by
the
typescript
compiler
now,
but
yeah
I
got
a
little
bit
overwhelmed
was
a
huge
effort.
It's
a
massive
standard
and
I
could
definitely
use
some
help
with
this
upgrade
I'd
love
it.
F
If
someone
encato
could
also
could
help
a
little
bit
with
this,
but
I
believe
that
it's
coming
out
in
Chrome,
102
and
I
think
that's
very
soon
that
Chrome
102
will
was
scheduled
to
be
released
and
so
official
web,
so
that
today
we
can
run
a
web
GPU
in
Chrome
Canary
by
turning
on
the
unsafe
web
GPU
flag.
But
I
think
it
will
be
an
official
release
soon.
F
And
so,
if
we
made
a
push
we
could
we
could
have
something
working,
you
know
and
not
to
the
not
the
distant
future,
but
at
this
point,
I
had
to
go
back
and
do
some
work
on
some
of
my
real
works.
So
I
could
use
some
help.
D
I
really
appreciate
the
push-up
I've
been
reading
the
new
documentation,
I
I've,
just
looked
again
and
I
saw
the
website.
I,
don't
know
if
you
know
it's
reverted,
I,
don't
know
the
v9
stuff's
all
gone
yeah.
D
It
was
there
last
week
because
I
was
I
was
reading.
It
and
I
actually
wanted
to
bring
this
up
with
this
meeting,
because
I
saw
that
D9
was
had.
We
actually
had
a
date
on
the
website,
which
is
like,
isn't
a
public
review
period
until
the
end
of
March,
and
this
was
kind
of
our
our
first
community
meeting
since
that
date
passed
so
I
wanted
to
bring
that
up
as
a
discussion
in
case
you
wanted
to
to
talk
about
yeah.
F
I
mean
like
I
think
generally,
because
we're
open
source
we
should
have
like
you
know
we
should
have
open
development
and
you
know,
but
with
something
like
the
Luma
GL
refactor.
F
You
know
it's
so
incredibly
complicated
because
you
know
you
have
the
entire
webgl
API
that
you
need
to
understand
and
then
I
had
to
kind
of
go
in,
and
you
know
and
learn
the
web
GPU
API,
which
is
very
structurally
very
different
and
then
figure
out
how
to
create
an
abstraction
that
works
for
both
of
them,
and
so
there
was
just
no
way
to
write
an
RFC.
It's
like
you
know
you
stay
up
to
kind
of
cross.
F
The
river
by
you
know
feeling
the
stones
as
you
walk
right,
and
so
you
know,
but
then
I
thought
like
some
way.
I
wanted
to
make
this
participatory,
so
I
kind
of
wanted
to
announce
that
there
were
going
to
be
a
review
period
now
for
the
new
API,
but
yeah,
then
I
got
a
little
bit
overwhelmed
by
it,
and
so
I
didn't
really
feel
like
announcing
it
because
I
didn't
have
the
bandwidth
too.
So
you
know
it's
kind
of
like
you
know.
F
In
a
hidden
or
a
silence,
review
right
now,
but
but
it'd
be
nice
to
publish
that
on
the
Forum
and
so
on.
And
let
people
know
that
this
is
happening
and
please
give
the
illusion
that
this
is
an
open
and
participatory
development.
E
The
the
what
and
the
reason
why
I
was
also
asking
I'd,
always
tell
you
when
I
was
when
I
met
some
weeks
ago,
but
I'm
thinking
that
will
it
make
sense
to
try
to
kind
of
do
a
push
all
together
towards
doing
something
big
around
Declan
in
September,
where
we
and
I'm
actually
proposing
that
we
organize
a
workshop
in
Madrid
for
developers,
try
to
attract
people
to
join.
You
know
like,
and
and
do
some
big
announcements.
Potentially
we
can
try
to
align
with
some
of
the
big
names
like
Google
I'm.
E
C
E
I,
that's
what
I
was
asking,
because
that
this
is
a
huge
thing.
If
we
then
make
a
new
website,
we
have
a
logo.
We
have
a
lot
of
stuff
to
show.
At
the
same
time,
I.
F
E
A
big
deal
and
I'm
a
little
bit
I
think
it
would
be
a
Pity
if
we
don't
use
it.
You
know
strategically
and
try
to
do
some
push
together.
You
know
to
solidify
that
position
that
I
was
describing
before
and.
C
E
Because
we
have
our
office
there
and
you
know
because
most
people
don't
like
to
come
to
Madrid,
so
I
was
thinking
yeah
like
we
can.
We
can.
You
know
like
organize
like
a
workshop,
and
that
day
you
know
we
do
some
announcements
and
then
I
can
all
these
things
together
and
by
the
way
would
be
great.
You
know
to
have
you
all
you
know
like
in
the
same
place
and
we
can
go
for
a
beer
together
or
something
to
some
Community
Building
very.
D
It
does
sound,
really
fun,
yeah
and
and
one
other
thing
that
we
won't
be
able
to
take
advantage
of
this
round,
but
next
year,
2023
as
part
of
openjs
they've
opened
just
world
and
Brian's
mentioned
that
that
is
kind
of
like
a
big
openjs
conference
or
event
this
year,
it's
from
June
6
to
June
10th.
B
It
is
probably
a
little
too
late
to
add
things
here
for
this
year,
but
typically
there's
main
Conference
Track
Keynotes
cfp.
That
sort
of
thing
we
do
also
on
Day
Zero,
can
do
Day
Zero
training.
B
So
if
there's
a
specific
thing
that
you
think
there's
you
know
a
need
for
somebody
to
show
up
and
actually
do
an
extended
period
to
train
other
people
how
to
use
it,
then
we
have
space
for
that.
The
other
thing
we
do
is
that
the
you
know
the
projects
if
they
need
to
have
a
collaboration
Summit
after
the
event,
which
is
just
very
specifically,
you
know,
having
space
for
core
contributors
to
get
together
and
meet
with
each
other
in
person
and
get
really
deep
down
into
the
details.
B
E
I
propose
actually
that
you
know
like
next
year
and
so
on.
I'm
like
this
year,
I
proposing
this,
but
you
know
like
we
should
try
to
do
a
dearly
gather
together
where
we
do
so
and
so
like
three
days.
So
you
know
like
a
spring
where
we
kind
of
tackle
architecture,
discussions
and
so
on,
and
then
really
we
try
to
kind
of
like
bring
people
that
are
new
so
to
try
to
make
them
more.
You
know
a
couple
to
the
top
yeah.
E
E
D
E
It's
called
open
teams.
I
can
start
here.
How
can
I
share
a
document
or
how
do
I?
How
do
I
send
you
guys
a
compliment,
drop.
D
E
E
E
These
guys,
you
know
a
few
months
back,
because
you
know
they
also
provide
consulting
services
to
development
in
some
areas.
So
I
don't
know
if
you
know,
but
we've
been
working
on
something
called
geoparket
yeah.
You
know,
because
you've
been
also
working
on
that
you
guys
at
Foursquare.
So-
and
you
know
these
guys
were
kind
of
like
saying
yeah.
D
Yeah
thanks
so
much
for
doing
that.
That's
pretty
cool
I've
been
I've
been
experimenting
with
like
kind
of
increasing
the
Fidelity
of
some
of
the
visual
elements
with
deck
and
playing
around
with
blender
Integrations
and
things
like
that.
Not
not
actually
the
program
blender
and
our
Frameworks,
but
more
using
gltf
as
like
way
and
like
the
the
Shader
and
texture
nodes
and
seeing
just
how
far
I
could
get
with
implementing
cool
things.
D
Last
week,
I
implemented
a
Skybox
by
just
making
a
giant
sphere
and
texturing
it
with
the
sky
and
scaling
it
way
up
and
I
was
like
wow.
This
is
there's,
there's
a
lot
of
pretty
neat
tricks
that
I'd
like
to
learn
how
to
do
and
then
share
for
kind
of
upgrading
the
visual
appeal
of
people's
dick
TL
scenes.
D
F
D
F
The
problem
is
that
it's
a
very
long
tail
right
and
then
like
I've,
had
a
lot
of
people
who
say
like
that.
Oh
that's,
a
nice
idea
that
would
be
really
cool,
but
I've
never
found
someone
who's
really
committed
to
using
it.
To
really
kind
of
you
know
it's
just
like
it's
not
something
I
want
to
build
in
a
vacuum.
There
needs
to
be
like
a
real
real
use
case
and.
D
D
Obvious
ones
to
me
was
like
I,
saw
a
bunch
of
exciting
Dev
docs
on
you,
know,
Bloom
and
other
post-processing
and
started
to
learn
about
like
rendering
passes
and
I
think
something
about.
If
I
added
like
a
luminance
pass,
then
I
could
do
Bloom
and
we
already
have
a
depth
path,
since
maybe
I
could
do
depth
of
field
which
I
see
is
in
Luma,
but
not
in
deck.
Some
of.
F
Those
off
topic,
but
the
key
to
doing
good
Bloom,
is
to
have
a
really
good
blur
filter
and
creating
a
blur
filter
is
it's
it's
good
blood
foot
filter
is
not
trivial,
and
so
you
know
it
I
think
that's
like
like
the
investment
it
would
be
really
good
to
have,
but.
F
Implementing
Bloom
is
is
easy.
D
D
D
F
It's
like
we,
we
kind
of
lost
that
we've
kind
of
created
a
really
really
good
visualization.
You
know
some
amazing
layers
and
then
we've
all
been
very
focused
on
kind
of
applying,
though
some
kind
of
building
products
around
them.
We've
kind
of
lost
the
momentum
on
on
the
core
and
there's
so
many.
You
know
incredible
things
we
can
do
in
the
core,
more
animated
layers
and
so
on.
D
On
webgl
to
fundamentals.org
and
started
briefly
peeking
at
web
GPU
fundamentals.org,
because
as
that
transition
comes
I'm
like
okay,
you
know
where
it's
not
so
core.
It
probably
would
just
follow
that
a
lot
of
the
the
the
Shader
work
that
could
be
done
in
webgl.
D
Would
you
know,
there's
a
jump
there
to
web
GPU
that
I'm
thinking
about
navigating
but
I'm
I'm,
very
new
at
learning,
even
just
webgl.
So
it's
an
open
question,
probably
to
you
guys
that
I
just
have
which
is
like
as
someone
who
is
interested
in
making
some
of
those
Investments
over
the
next
year.
So
it's
just
like
a
transitional
period
where
it's
almost
like
the
people
that
have
a
lot
of
experience
are
probably
the
best
suited
to
make
core
contributions
during
that
transition
period.
D
But
I
don't
have
that
yet
so
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
prepare
myself
to
to
make
those
kinds
of
contributions.
Well,.
F
I'm
happy
to
to
coach
you.
A
Yep,
if
there's
no
other
topics,
it's
just
Korea
day
and
see
you
guys,
probably
next
time
when
we
set
up
a
cross,
no,
the
collaboration
space.