OpenJS Foundation OpenJS Foundation Collaborator Summit, Berlin, May 2019, 5 Jun 2019

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OpenJS Foundation Collaborator Summit, Berlin, 2019

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So this I was not. This is intended to be like a talker presentation. This is more meant to be like this elaborate kind of discussion, so how many of you here are familiar with the no just me?

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Okay, so kind of there's a few people were kind of a few people, so the node.js community committee is the top-level committee in the node project. It is one of two top-level committee, so there's the technical steering committee committee.

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The community committee is tasked with the way I Fraser is outward-facing kind of efforts, so helping kind of the community interface with the project and then kind of helping engage with the ecosystem at.

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Certain ways that the technical side technically focused front parts, the private car not or it's not like they're still tea, there's.

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More to it, in that we've had some scope creep and things uh other interesting things that popped up, and so that's rethinking kind of certain elements of that and making sure that we're being working most optimally, including working with the technical side of the project and basically optimizing what we're doing to ensure that we're getting the most out of the work that the community committees doing these kind of what I wanted, especially so for a little bit of context.

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I hope I was chairperson, co-chair and the chairperson at the compliment for a year, I helped a lot with the gong comm I spent a lot of time in it and it's something. I really care about, and I want to make sure that we're able to kind of get a lot of value out of the work that's been done and it could be continued to be done from the kind of same point of view or same same intent.

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So I do want to start this off by just saying there me how we have a lot of really awesome contributors. It's really been nice to grow.

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There's initiatives at this point that have grown beyond the community can be scoped so like their members of those initiatives who do not miss Li, understand like know the community committee and like don't participate in at the level, and that was Michael for a long time is like the community needs to be administrative and it administrates the kind of efforts that work under it as they need it basically and purchase a log get on the way and a lot of times dutiful.

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So um the community committee has a few different initiatives well kind of a lot of initiatives, so these are current initiative and current initiatives in the nationalisation mentorship. Nodejs collection, outreach, use, feedback and website reason.

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So these are. We have a champion structure where someone from the community, but he has to be a champion of an initiative for it to be a current initiative and then from there that person can kind of report up to the compound to allow us to kind of understand, what's happening to those initiatives and make sure we have a line to them so they're not just kind of floating doing their own thing without help from help and support.

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These are our initiatives that we've either marked as in need of champion, or they are kind of stale in some way. For example, I'll put the blame on myself. Office hours is something that was discussed and I just hadn't had the time today. I really go and do it more despite having been the champion and having others offer to help.

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There's a bunch of other things. That code and learning is a really interesting thing, specifically learn friendliness to making other repos other than owed friendly to code and learn I believe this fund is actually referring to calm, calm, calm, calm, subjects like the compound initiatives making done friendly, Dakota Meyer, so they stay a lot of kids to come. Contribute I, get a commitment in a Depot. In note.

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Additionally, you know there's others. There we've had others proposed. Those haven't always manifested into this list and this list and kind of getting the point where we have a list and we have the structure of champions took us a long time. We did a lot of work and you know we we got a little. Did a lot of work, get to this point and I'm going to see if we can kind of explore what we can do next from these initiatives,.

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Also other things around I.

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I think part of this so.

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Of this really is like backlog and want to have, he said in need of a champion and like a project that was already like individual memberships shouldn't be on this list. That's something that's already been determined to be moved up to CPC.

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And some of these were like never washed out projects that like needs new champions. It's like a wish list like if you're interested in this here's context, we probably need to restructure this I think it'd be helpful to like structure this conversation around. What does it make sense for the node like if node as a community committee like wants to have things that were made like what did the scope of these look like versus at the CPC level?.

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Nuking a lot of these things not just initiative for like looking at the various repos, because we have like education. We have evangelism, you have all of these other repos that aren't they get started these area yeah health, these areas that are really important, I'm in an historical to know that again, it makes more sense to provide a framework at the CPC level and then help empower other person other projects to work together on like best practices on the things that they want to, have it unique to their present yeah.

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But I agree, it's just the question I guess is like people were contributing to the node one you want to just stay or they interested in doing the bigger picture. Like here's. The template instance like.

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Right and I think part of the structure that Tracy just mentioned could be like this group. That's under the open des Foundation and by the way, just cuz I'm standing up there, I'm, not ramela Keita I'm, just trying to I'm gonna yeah, so I I think the structure, the Tracy's machine. It's like that, bringing something like I mean outreach is a good example to me. I, don't think! That's a note, specific thing in any way and I think that should be a broader thing that our foundation does.

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But something like you know, office hours like if we wanted to bring that up a level and define a like have some kind of structure that projects, if they want to. You can go pull from and use that structure to base their own work off of that, whether they just want to carve and copy it and and start kick it off or if they want to actually go ahead and base it off of that and then kind of deviate and then back up of why they EDA did.

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You can just keep working on you. Just keep working on mobile using rest, keep working on your project. If you would like to pull this information, I would say like if you want to just keep working on what you're working on already like then like. Maybe the opportunity there is for them to teach somebody else who is excited to do it at the CPC level about with what they have been working on and how they approach this yeah.

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And what I was getting at there is like just just because we moved something up doesn't mean we're not going to continue doing it or we don't we're gonna, stop doing it. A note like we can continue doing a note. How we want but note, has prior art in our context of how we can up level that and then help help. We can continue doing it our way and also help other build out the framework for others to do it as well.

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Wear what makes sense that, like.

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So there's there's a different there's, a few different ways that any initiative one is, is completely absorbed by open j/s like individual membership like no. It should not be administrating anybody to their membership yeah any level there's stuff like office hours, which it would be good to have kites from yes, spread learning projects, but on to your concern yourself with a bit of help from foundation.

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Folks, if you need it, I and there's other stuff that is solidly in the realm of note works which, like website redesign like we get to decide what our look and feel it's like instructor or documentation. Maybe we use some fun in your hosting.

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If we, but even not example, I was having hearing specialist killer for them. I think it'd be really gave foundation for a team provided like there's a template, so.

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Theoretically,.

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Open by simply github org, which your clothes might be writers.

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Do problem they just know these template.

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Reposes yeah, but there's there's stuff that I think lends itself more towards supplying guys occupation sites.

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Itself less well.

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So where you say, you're trying out websites right, yeah, yeah, yeah, so I know we were talking about infrastructure like infrastructure, is up to open day a straight as much as possible. Unless somebody wants a one-off thing that they're asking for me. If you want something, that's special. You can do that, but you have to maintain.

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I think, wherever you place it as a share resources, argument that there exists a spectrum of things that can't be shared, every initiative will call somewhere on it and we have to draw line at some point like this is project manage something Foundation.

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Accommodation barriers forget.

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The strategic business we moved into read me: oh.

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And two initiatives instead of well.

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Like education.

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Education, I, don't know.

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Yeah is it completed.

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Oh yeah, education, officials and community events, badges yeah.

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I guess more of this question would be from folks here in the room is like what what here would only be applicable to know ya.

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Know dysfunction.

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Of the idea, I.

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Is but that doesn't mean it has to be.

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That's what I was yeah.

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That's what that's, what that is like there's a foundation to take over.

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Or is it something like sure the foundation will get together area bunch of resources that we can copy notes case, like honestly,.

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Considering like Wendy's is what we're talking about is like templates for having these programs any other projects like if we're talking.

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About new collection.

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That would be like exfolia to like a marketing like a blog, you know feature or like story set or any of the projects that want it, but, like that's not already in place, so work still has to be done at the foundation level to actually it's like some of these things, it's just like it's. It's almost copy and paste like.

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Individual membership, it's.

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Like already there, but then these other things like note collection, which I think would be really helpful to the other projects like how. How would we move forward with that would be like make a repo open level? And like it's not going to be, you don't want to make it look like it's a program that exists because we're creating a bunch of work. I.

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Do want to interject here pause. Four of us have been talking a lot.

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Anyone else have thoughts or context or something baby go feelings.

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Hasn't been talking.

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This so my question, for you is like just.

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Moderation in this example.

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Do you all have like a system of moderation in place, pre-project.

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Okay, what is that something that would be a burden if we, if like, if it was decided like we've already, you already have any like a an agreed upon conduct across the projects, but if we were to come like at some point, CPC says: okay well, like part of a code of conduct, is the ability to enforce it?

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Can you do you feel comfortable being able to the first? Would you ask for like outside help to learn how to do that? Or would you need people from outside of your project to help you be okay, yeah, it's like my king is from wearing my moderations. You had we.

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Think it's really important that you have the context and trust in your project when you're doing the moderation work. If people don't know who you are.

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Yeah cuz I do wonder if, like I, don't know if I feel comfortable with like some date saying something like we providing moderation team to the other projects, that's.

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A really tough.

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Thing to do, but also otherwise you're potentially being a gap for their time base. I mean this is just like an interesting things like impact products versus at their local context.

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They kind of become detached so.

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Is it like is a good idea, what these to be sort of I'm, even think I, like next steps with like considering how they go to the open like to be also it's like a list of these things that have happened with our project that we recommend being useful or something exciting that other projects to do, but.

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It to be worked on instead.

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Creating a giant backlog would you want to like have people wondering interested in seeing my proposal.

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Like three initiatives and just kind of taking a more y-you know.

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Right, you would want to sign it, so it's not only in like a boat as in like I, like this day, popularity contest, it's who's, signing.

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Was actually I think it's an open issue for us with moderation, the neutral facilitator, like someone who can step in, especially when it's too far to work closely and say.

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Have absolutely.

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No worse than this, you know race, talk.

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Done minute practice, so it's like when someone is involved that ends up happening, but it's not like a Gotham. You do there, but like rebalancing.

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The 1% of the time you.

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Can learn to have those structures? Yes,.

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Would say maybe it used to be once a quarter now I've got one thing: they.

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Feel and they feel.

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Notorious for Bayon.

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And I and I don't think we're trying to thing we're just putting this from the narcotics things.

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We're trying to discuss how we can level things and like provide that during work, but like not force it and I think that's a discussion to be having like whether to take a requirement or not, which I don't think is really about part force requirement. Having.

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The framework available.

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Is nice to have an object like how about having that knowledge? Still in a way the.

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Ones, I guess once again.

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And it's to sell into projects.

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It's to not process so.

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Yeah there's a good examples like the admin work past, which was where the TSE common have to decide on things together, and we found a lot of times where, like process has been written because of past experiences not from but we're always very clear, like you stop passing anything.

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And parted I exactly what you're saying don't over optimize for the other projects. So we need to go to building things out and see because you know I think that's a really important second dream: that a lot of these.

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Yeah I think the rare spot there, which we had brought up with the photocopier itself, it's better in.

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Safety and environment. There is a lot of girls around like making sure that we're creating. You know the room to learn because violative product does not mean that you're banned. It means you talk to you and hopefully earth learning and like improve, but.

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Just have to make sure that we're not directing people right.

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We just operations.

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Far end of the table, you guys administer its use for feedback like.

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You know what pack ideas really interesting: what's your main it here, what did you do and how did you.

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Remember to feed back to your nice clothes. What do you got them around like this being a marginal generalists.

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I know yeah yeah, yeah you're, a layer under.

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Bubble and then across.

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And where the hope is to get.

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We're trying to.

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Format because members import that.

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The mandate is.

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Or get some information just.

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Businesses were multi-million, dollar projects, depended on maybe facilitating that channel and maybe getting.

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That I think that's just like we probably structure covering TSE if there is definitely like a line in the sand and there's not a lot of cross communication, which is sad to me and that's that was my motivations for this.

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So I would say with this just in this example, what would be really cool that I would like this to get from the CPC level? Is identifying fees like these maps, these days of being able to mobilize and act on the information in markets, of course, that you've done awesome words and then.

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You don't want it.

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Falling on deaf ears, I think you're, awesome presentation yesterday on note health and all of the recommendations that you have our recommendation was you should just buy all these as issues like it would be. Really one of the ways is to like find people who would find, and then you know it's up to them right or for someone to show up and say, oh cool. This issue I can totally tackle this issue.

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This is really important for us or that's good, to know, but it's deep prioritize for now for the other issues that we have repo, because.

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The hope is that your.

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Work doesn't fall on deaf ears, but it is also who shows up, but yeah and I think in that circuit into best practices that we can do with is how to be worth on opening the channels to like corporate members being able to get this information from a newsletter perspective. Everything interesting I.

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Think it as well, it's like different things that are information are sitting JavaScript stuff out.

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I'm interesting when challenged those are the sorts of things where, like strategy subcommittee know, which was bringing together in the same meeting in action, we're chopping and doing things, it was really good because somebody there from Google will be able to say yeah I've got two colleagues would be very interested. It's looking to get interaction, so we need to keep that stuff off again as well, because this is exactly a circumstance where I was working together.

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Yeah, it's not happening, it stops with happen. So in this circumstance what I would have now two different strategies would be and the entire reason it existed. Why it's important it's not the place generally wouldn't get done decisions on, but that.

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Mean that the word members aren't interested some of the board members are actually interested in during the word and helping facilitate information before getting back to corporate members. So what we would do is having subset of them. Minimum requirement three board members that were not community board members attending.

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Alongside people from the project, in this case new projects, so we maybe want to say for the order of what a certain number of projects needs to be represented in the meeting or decisions. You can have discussion. But you want to make sure you have the perspectives in the route, the forward with statements that require all of the the wheels to be greased and working together to make something happen, and this.

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Where members are very interested in they can certain games I devised to help, but.

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We haven't yeah.

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We haven't hit kids co-chaired, it was their body.

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We were waiting for CBC to be orange so that the CQC can take control and figure out what they wanted.

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We recommend I highly recommended because there's few other opportunities you get engaged board members.

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We'll say it's not broadcast, so the circumstance there was that wordy numbers could still talk.

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Was recommend you know anytime? It was something that would be.

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Think it's just like sort of the.

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I was gonna, say you guys figure out things.

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Be what responsibilities of the calm within no js' you put.

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Yourselves in the shoes open.

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A project essentially say with.

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Your knowledge, what.

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Responsibilities of the compound would you love to see in a redundant if you open, JSF foundation is functioning at its highest level. It's like what.

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Things are y'all already doing that.

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Could be offloaded and being productive for know itself may not know yourself in any project who is offloaded to a higher level responsibility. Not not. Someone else comes up with your code of conduct, but has some guidance and some help and some resources to make that process for y'all a little bit easier to be able to run that part of the committee with you and just a lot of pilots have very few people to do all this I mean exercise.

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Something probably online yeah yeah, well I,.

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Think a good exercise that we can take back like you could do it as a group. Just do one initiative meeting or.

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If we were to write this.

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See from your experience, what what initiatives should be wholly owned by the you know, pretty hands-off wholly.

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By their individual projects, is there some things that, obviously you know the project needed one in order to feel safe and trusted, or whatever they needed hold on something, but.

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Then other things.

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That, like man, I wish.

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Before we got started, and then you know those kinds of things you could capture and move up and offer them to other projects has like y'all want to do this. Here's the learning that mean crystallize roman, are messy process.

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Little bit of governance, the the champions for initiatives so basically yeah.

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We talked briefly.

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We were to open.

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Sentence rather than moving scope, and we previously with there's a word.

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Thank you, but I think really work. Well, there's a lot of process to.

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Follow a similar pattern of what we built out CC, putting.

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Context because people were creating projects and meetings and.

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Didn't ask, and so.

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Thought and up happening was didn't, have a champion on the compound you're.

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Up because you weren't going to have the help and assistance necessary to be able to.

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Hear students here out one he's putting a championship: yeah I am putting that.

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Right now else we get you can change our level of process previously being a differently monster in.

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Your proposal we.

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Magical path between initiatives compound- it's not variable.

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Sort of a it's a favorite person to buy recognition like value. You know like an expert I.

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Mean I will also say, the big huge ownership was high department, like actually.

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When the guy I'm.

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