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A
B
A
B
Yeah,
so
in
2016
was
we
were
in
Austin.
A
bunch
of
people
from
different
parts
of
the
industry
got
together
the
Linux
Foundation
sort
of
orchestrated
that
put
us
in
a
room
with
a
psychometrician.
We
gave
a
couple
of
days
to
do
it
and
we
came
up
with
the
the
themes,
the
topics,
the
domains
and
the
and
the
sort
of
tasks
we
would
expect.
Someone
who
is,
you
know
proficient
with
node
an
intermediate
to
upper
intermediate
level
to
to
be
able
to
do
from
there.
B
B
So
what
we
did
was
we
we,
we
had
to
tear
down
some
like
pear
down
some
of
the
questions,
and
it
was
still
too
long,
and
so
we
decided
to
split
it
up
into
two
discrete
pieces,
one
that
focused
on
servers,
services
and
security
and
the
other
that
focused
on
general
overall
competence.
That
would
that
would
translate
pretty
much
to
any
any
kind
of
know
des
users
usage,
so
that
the
first
one
is
called
the
node
services
developer
and
the
second
one
is
called
the
node
application
developer.
B
Ideally,
you
want
to
be
able
to
be
qualified
with
both
to
show
all
all-round
proficiency,
but
one
one
is
for
your
your
general
competence.
The
other
one
is
for
specifically
validating
your
ability
to
build
services,
which
is
often
often
a
thing
that
you
need
to
do
in
startups
and
enterprises
alike
really
and.
A
If
you,
if
you
think
about
the
process
right,
so
you
are,
the
certification
tries
to
target
a
kind
of
broad
spectrum
right
of
developers.
So
if
you
were
to
kind
of
suggest
something
for
a
more
junior
audience
or
a
more
kind
of
intermittent
senior
audience,
how
do
you
see
the
progression
of
these
two
exams
kind
of
following
to
these
two
blockers
yeah.
B
B
The
Linux
Foundation
our
offer
certification
training,
which
is
like
it
on
a
self-help
self
learning
platform,
which
is
for
the
currently
for
the
node
application,
developer
certification,
the
services
developer,
certification
is
still
in
the
works
because
I'm
still
working
on
it,
so
that
should
be
out
fairly
soon
as
well,
within
about
a
month
and
a
half
I'd
say
and
those
those
are
for
your
sort
of
structured
learning
for,
if
you,
if
you're,
just
looking
to
do
it
for
yourself
for
larger
organizations
that
are
looking
to
like
use.
An
initiative
of
training.
A
The
current
global
situation
right
and
now,
where
we
are
especially
how
the
tech
industry
is
also
adapting,
and
so
the
the
all
learning
platforms
that
are
acting
to
this
new
moment
in
time
and
I,
would
love
actually
to
get
a
little
bit
of
your.
Maybe
in
that
perspective
on,
where
do
you
see
these
different
channels
to
train
people,
or
you
know,
to
get
either
self
trained
or
to
be
trained
by
you
know
yourself
or
you
know,
different
channels
of
training?
B
So
this
is,
this
is
a
you
know,
a
huge
area
right
now
as
well,
because
there
there's
travel
capabilities
to
start
there,
but
there's
something
about
in-person
training
that
watching
videos
doesn't
really
meet
because
there's
a
lot
there's
a
lot
that
goes
on
when
you're
doing
physical
training,
when
I
say
physical
training
I
mean
physical
on-site
training,
not
no,
not
gym
training,
because
you
you,
the
trainer,
the
trainer
reads
the
room
and
they
can
see
who's
struggling.
They
can
see
who's
getting
ahead.
B
So
there's
all
these
value-adds
that
aren't
really
thought
about,
but
you
definitely
feel
a
missing
if
you
try
to
do
just
an
online
workshop
like
just
all
video,
for
instance,
then
you've
got,
you
know
what
what
are
the
options
like
if
you're
not
doing
physical
training?
Well,
you
could
do
the
self-help
thing.
You
could
do
the
self
learning
on
a
platform.
That's
that's
that
works
for
a
certain
type
of
person.
B
In
terms
of
your
skills
and
everything
as
to
whether
you
can
you
you,
you
can
actually
do
that
you,
you
might
need
some
help
to
accelerate
or
filling
knowledge
gaps
that
that
self
help
can't
really
can't
really
cater
to
everything
for
everyone,
whereas
a
an
experienced
trainer
can
do
that,
and
so
you
know,
as
you
know,
you
know,
Luke
I've
been
thinking
a
lot
about.
How
would
we
do?
B
You
know
putting
all
of
that
together
into
a
package
that
can
be
delivered
and
I
think
you
know
that
that
in
itself
is
a
very
valuable
proposition
and
we
are
working
on
a
model
before
that
and
we
are
working
on
a
model
for
that
for
enterprise
and
to
see
how
that
can
be.
That
can
sort
of
you.
You
know:
accelerate
the
capabilities
of
enterprise
teams.
A
Everyone
watching
this,
you
know
fireside
chat
or
has
because
our
usual
chitchat
is,
is
the
value
proposition
that
the
certification
is
bringing
back
to
the
enterprise
right.
So
there
is
a
lot
of
value
not
only
from
a
knowledge
and
kind
of
know-how
and
validation
standpoint,
but
especially
like
you,
just
touch
them.
B
A
Social
aspect
of
this
transformation
right,
so
the
fact
that
you
know
we-
we
are
kind
of
the
whole
kind
of
model
that
is
now
remote
will
enable
actually
organizations
to
also
transform
the
way
they
think
and
I
think
you
know
the
certification
is
a
great
channel
for
this
transformation
right.
How
do
you
see
a.
B
Key
piece,
I,
think
and
and
like
you
know,
you
know
we
need
a.
We
need
an
optimization
to
validate.
You
know
the
individual
people's
skills
that
that's
fair
as
well,
that
doesn't
that
doesn't
rely
on.
You
know
heuristics
like
the
fact,
for
instance,
that
that
I
have
a
British
action,
British
accent
and
I'm
white.
It
gives
me
an
advantage
that
shouldn't
really
be
an
advantage.
B
We
should
be
measuring
based
on
whether
people
have
those
skills
or
don't
and
whether
they
can
attain
those
skills
or
not,
and
so
you
know
in
terms
of
enterprise,
efficiency
and
hiring
methodologies
and
all
of
that
kind
of
stuff
or
all
of
this
ties
in,
but
definitely
it's
very
interesting
on
the
on
the
enterprise
side.
In
this
current
scenario
and
I
know,
you
know
you,
you
yourself
working
fatalis,
you
you,
if
I
can
turn
the
question
on
the
interviewer,
you
yourself
have
seen.
I
expect
significant
adaptations
as
a
result
of
this.
Do
you
see?
A
Transfer
Meishan
right
now
happening,
especially
in
that
all
kind
of
social
interaction
and
people
kind
of
I,
don't
want
to
call
it
evaluation
but
how
to
correctly
measure
against
the
requirements
that
the
organization
has
right.
So,
if
you
think
what
I
really
love
about
the
certification
and
I
think
is
accelerating
on
one
side
is
the
fact
that
there
is
no
every
single
candidate
at
the
moment
of
the
end
of
the
exam
are
all
equal.
There
is
no
distinction
right.
It's
just
a
challenge
between
you
and
yourself,
and
that's
what
I
really
like
about
this
certification?
B
The
other
thing
is
that
different
organizations
make
different
decisions
in
terms
of
technologies
that
they
use
and
even
if
an
organization
is
using
node,
they
don't
necessarily
use
the
same
framework.
So
we
also
focused
on
the
importance
of
having
an
exam
for
the
certification.
That's
agnostic
to
these
criteria,
so
oftentimes,
you
know
you
certifications,
can
have
a
bad
reputation
for
being
too
subject
specific.
What
we
do
is
we
focus
on
the
problem,
solving
aspects
not
on
on
specific
patterns
or
specific
frameworks
or
specific
libraries
or
just
use
a
new
code
core
or
just
using
libraries.
B
A
I
meant
I
would
love
to
get
your
perspective
on
on
one
side
how
the
organization
can
be
positively
positively
impacted
by
people
taking
the
certification
on
the
other
side.
I
would
love
to
get
your
point
of
view
on
how
you
think
that
actually,
the
normal
day-to-day
of
enterprise,
that
you
know
you
know
or
we
have
been
together,
you
know
consulting
for
they,
their
alkane
they're
kind
of
training
on
the
job
can
can
help
them
being
so
getting
right.
B
So
if,
if
we,
if
we
put
training
into
that
as
well
when
I,
when
I
go
and
do
training
for
something
that's
not
certified,
which
I
often
do
there's
not
necessarily
an
absolute
measure
on
that,
the
the
measure
of
whether
the
training
was
a
success
is
based
on
the
feedback
and
the
feedback
is
based
on
a
you
know,
a
relative
feeling
that
enough
of
the
candidates
feel
that
they've
been
stretched
and
they
feel
that
it's
valuable
and
that
is
that
is
good
day's,
a
good
measure
to
a
certain
extent.
But
it's
not
an
absolute
measure.
B
It's
not
it's,
not
something
that
you
could
really
tap
to
a
KPI.
But
if
you
have
training,
that's
attached
to
a
examination
that
has
a
pass
rate
and
you
are
able
to
with
training
within
the
organization
exceeds
that
pass
rate.
Then
you
know
that
you're
developing
people
within
your
organization,
a
level
that
is
above
market
conditions,
so
I
think
that
that
is
very
powerful
dynamic
for
for
growing
talented
teams
in
organizations
in
terms
of
for
the
individual.
B
You
will
also
be
skilling
yourself
up,
even
if
you
feel
that
you're
at
a
certain
level,
what
we
found
is
a
lot
of
people
come
to
doing
these
exams
and
actually
tell
us
helped
us
with
with
the
alpha
testing
and
this
feedback.
We
got
where,
where
people
well
did
not
realize
how
many
knowledge
gaps
they
had
because
in
your
everyday
job
you
don't
necessarily
come
across
this
knowledge
gaps.
B
However,
once
you've
a
legit
still
makes
your
day
job
easier,
because
you,
you
find
easier
routes
to
doing
things,
because
you've
covered
more
surface
area
in
terms
of
the
problem
domain
right.
So
we
there's
benefits
all
around
and
I
think
something
like
this
has
a
really
compelling
selling
point
to
both
people
and
organizations.
B
It's
we've
also
got
a
lot
of
good
feedback
from
alpha
beta,
testimonials,
different
things
like
that
saying,
essentially
that
this
was
one
of
the
best
exams
they
have
taken
can
versus
others,
which
is
excellent,
and
a
lot
of
the
testimonials
come
back.
Saying
I
like
how
it
focuses
on
real-world
problems,
not
not
just
puzzles
so
I
think
that
putting
all
together,
you
have
something
that
can
essentially
elevate
both
the
individual
and
the
organization
to
be
more
successful
with
with
node
yeah
I've
exhausted.
That
question
I
feel.
A
B
A
Said
is
a
way
not
really
to
measure
with
a
negative
connotation
our
developers,
but
is
a
way
to
help
them
finding
a
path
of
growth
and
a
part
of
improvement,
especially
because,
like
I
said
I
compared
the
certification
to,
like
you
know,
playing
golf
when
you
play
against
yourself
right.
It's
like
this
is
a
competition
once
again
is
a
healthy
competition
and
I.
Think
to
add
to
your
previous
point
about
the
the
physical
training
right
there
is.
There
is
some
sort
of
element
in
the
whole
process
that
resembles
our.
A
B
B
A
Working
on
so
I
was
more
wondering
if
you
could
kind
of
elaborate
a
little
bit
more
on
how
you
see,
workshops
and
interactions.
Now
you
you've.
What,
in
your
honest
opinion,
is
the
best
way
for
everyone
to
kind
of
bring
that
kind
of
experience
within
their
organizations
or
their
working
groups
or
their
communities
yeah.
B
Okay,
so
I
mean
you've
got
the
self-help
in
terms
of
a
interactive
experience.
That's
that
could
be
one
more
way.
This
does
that
some
people
that
have
an
affinity
with
that
approach
in
an
organization
they
could,
they
could
use
that
approach.
Then
you've
got
services
like
udemy,
which
is
you
know,
pre-recorded
stuff,
and
that's
fine
too,
but
it's
it's
actually
just
another
form
of
self
learning
right.
B
So
that's
the
kind
of
that's
the
kind
of
formula
that
we're
playing
with
currently
and
you
know,
hopefully
we'll
have-
will
have
more
moving
forward,
but
I
mean
the
material
is
there.
The
material
is
ready
to
go.
It's
more
a
case
of
finding
something
and
I
think
we're
very
close,
finding
something
that
that
is
suitable
for
for
enterprise
organizations
and
even
public
offerings
as
well.
There
are,
there
are
different
timelines
that
you
could
deliver
this
one.
You
could
do
it
all
in
a
week.
You'd
do
it
over
three
months,
but
it
just
depends
on
on.
B
You
know
both
the
the
organization
once
that
training
and
the
actual
the
actual
trainer,
which
would
be
myself
and
possibly
others
that
we'd
get
involved
to
do
it
that
also
similar
sort
of
industry
industry
experts,
but
whether
we
go
forward
on
that
it
kind
of
depends
a
lot
on
on
a
couple
of
different
factors,
whether
there's
interest,
whether
the
model
works.
All
of
that
kind
of
stuff,
however
I
think
I
am
very
excited
about.
It.
B
A
B
B
A
B
So
in
terms
of
growing
growing
individuals
in
the
community
who
just
are
just
go
getters
and
they
just
want
to
get
certified
themselves
in
terms
of
the
actual
benefits
that
something
like
this
would
bring
to
say.
The
open-source
community,
the
more
skilled
people
that
we
have
and
the
more
we
can
validate
those
skills,
the
better
an
open-source
project,
our
over
source
project
will
do
so.
B
A
B
So
big
for
privacy
for
for
purposes
of
having
an
exam
that
it
is
difficult
to
to
cheat
on
the
involvement
in
certification
is,
is
not
open
right,
because
otherwise
you
could
just
go
look
up
the
answers
and
that's
the
the
the
it
has
been
a
community
initiative
for
a
while
at
a
certain
point,
it's
switch
to
event
during
arrangement
instead.
So
in
order
to
preserve
that
privacy
there's
not
really
a
way,
you
can
contribute
to
certification
and
other
than
taking
it
and
then
and
then
report
back
giving
feedback,
testimonials
or
different
things
like
that.
B
However,
what
you
can
contribute
to
is
the
scaling
up
of
other
people
for
the
certification
and,
if
you're
interested
in
doing
that,
definitely
come
contact
me.
So
if
you
want
to,
if
you
want
to
talk,
if
anyone
wants
to
talk
about
any
of
this
other
stuff
we've
been
talking
about,
you
can
hit
me
on
twitter
is
at
David,
Mark,
Klem,
I.