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A
All
right
looks
like
our
recording
is
up
and
running.
Welcome
everyone
to
the
August
8th
meeting
of
the
openjs
foundation
standards
working
group.
We
have
many
awesome
folks
joining
us
this
summer.
Tuesday,
we
start
with
any
announcements,
any
announcements,
any
news,
any
upcoming
things
folks
want
to
share
I
feel
out
of
the
loop,
so
I
definitely
want
to
hear
any
announcements
you
all
have
what's
going
on
in
your
world.
A
I've
got
the
one
thing
that
I'm
I
announced
since
I
last
saw
you
all
the
state
of
Open
Standards
report,
which
I
was
working
on
in
the
spring,
has
been
published.
A
So
I
will
drop
a
link
to
that
in
the
chat
here
in
a
few,
but
I
hope
that
the
findings
are
also
reflective
of
the
importance
that
we
all
share
the
value
we
all
have
for
Open
Standards.
So
and
thanks
to
all
of
you
for
your
report,
your
support
and
then
also
helping
me
field
that
survey
I
really
appreciated
that.
So
that's
a
piece
of
announcement
I
think
we
also
have
something
we're
doing
in
Bilbao.
A
B
Are
having
a
birds
of
a
feather
and
Bilbao,
with
w3c
and
O
wasp
and
open
ssf
and
our
friend
Dan
applequist
is
going
to
host
it.
It
is
that
first
day
the
19th
in
the
morning
I
think
we
picked
10
to
10
50
a.m.
I'll
get
that
up
on
the
calendar,
if
it's
not
there
already,
that
is
the
week
after
TPAC,
essentially
I,
believe
they're.
Looking
at
doing
another
sort
of
birds
of
a
feather
gathering
at
TPAC
in
Sevilla
the
week
prior.
C
Chris
yeah
I
just
wanted
to
mention
Unfortunately.
They
scheduled
secure
the
web
forward
at
the
exact
same
dates
as
the
tc39
plenary.
So
you
will
not
have
those
folks
in
attendance,
unfortunately,
and
then
I
was
gonna,
say
I,
don't
know.
If
anybody
here
was
at
the
security
meeting
yesterday
security
collaboration
meeting
yesterday
I
wasn't
able
to
make
it,
but
I
was
going
to
mention
there
and
I
might
as
well
mention
here
that
the
tc39
security
task
group
is
meeting
tomorrow
at
noon.
Central,
Time
so
anybody's
interested.
Please
join.
C
Tc39
folks
will
have
access
to
the
tg3,
repo
and
GitHub,
as
well
as
the
calendar,
where
the
invite
is
exists.
C
There's
also
the
in
Matrix
there's
the
tg3
room
in
Matrix,
but
if
anybody
wants
to
participate,
that
is
not
already
an
eligible
meeting
participant
in
tc39,
they
can
contact
me
or
any
of
the
chairs.
I
would
say
Jordan
but
Jordan's
out.
So.
A
Great,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
You
know
that
actually
makes
me
want
to
ask
Chris.
Will
the
tg3
be
having
meetings
at
a
different
Cadence
than
the
than
the
plenary,
and,
if
so,
should
we
be
putting
those
on
our
just
like
FYI
standards
calendar
so
that
we
can
sort
of
check
in
with
you
on.
C
It
isn't
a
different
Cadence
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of,
as
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
different
tc39
meetings
that
are
not
in
sync
with
plenary.
So
how
exactly
you
want
to
track
and
pay
attention?
Those
I
don't
know
the
the
calendar.
Is
you
know
the
source
of
Truth
for
all
the
meetings.
C
C
C
C
A
Those
threats,
sometimes
those
groups-
do
have
things
that
I
think
might
be
of
interest
or
you
know
where,
where
there's
potentially
channels
of
feedback
and
input
that
can
be
fostered,
it
sounds
like,
since
this
is
more
of
a
newer
TG,
that's
getting
spun
up,
that's
something
that
y'all
are
really
working
out
right
now,
and
so
maybe
the
answer
is
like
right.
Now,
there's
really
not
much,
but
at
at
a
certain
point.
Chris
I
think
we'd
love
to
hear
from
you.
A
If
and
when
there
are
components
of
the
tg's
work
for
that
that
would
be
Salient
to
the
broader,
open,
JS
project
Community.
We
definitely
want
to
make
sure
to
help
you
spread.
The
word.
E
C
It's
not
necessarily
a
new
TG,
it's
new-ish,
but
they
hadn't
been
meeting
for
a
long
time
due
to
the
previous
convener
abruptly
leaving,
and
then
they
just
weren't
meeting
so
until
recently,
so
we've
only
had
a
couple
of
meetings,
but
we
have
a
lot
of
stuff
on
the
agenda
backlog
so
but
yeah
we're
it
is
sort
of
being
spun
up
in
terms
of
being
like
resurrected,
so
we're
just
getting
it
going
again
as
for
like
where
it
becomes
relevant,
I,
don't
know,
there's
so
much
overlap
between
spaces
here
and
the
security
collaboration
meeting
as
well
as
you've
got
some
familiar
faces
in
there
that
are
in
the
open,
ssf
activity
as
well,
so
I
think
that's
going
to
be
and
I
think
it
probably
sounds
like
a
broken
record
at
this
point,
but
but
trying
to
find
where
those
opportunities
for
collaboration
and
working
cross-functionally
are
going
to
be
because
a
lot
of
people
are
doing
a
lot
of
the
same
or
similar
things
in
just
different
work
streams.
C
So
the
more
that
we
can
kind
of
I,
don't
know,
unify
and
find
ways
to
progress
on
these
different
initiatives
efficiently
will
be
something
really
important.
A
Cool
how
about
which
it
feels
like
a
year
since
we've
had
this
meeting
updates
from
our
liaison
groups.
A
I
know
that
one
of
our
topics
today
is
actually
OSI
policy
stuff,
so
I'm
not
sure.
If
there's
any
general
OSI
liaison
updating
to
do
Toby.
F
No,
it's
summertime,
it's
kind
of
very
calm
I
did
we
did
agree
in
the
last
call
to
move
ahead.
Was
the
open
policy
Alliance
stuff
and
so
I've
informed
the
person
responsible
for
it
at
the
OSI
and
we
will
be
showcased
or
as
part
of
what
the
different
members
of
the
Osa
who
are
part
of
this
I?
Don't
think
they
have
updated
the
website,
yet
I
must
admit
not
having
checked,
but
there
was
really
no
news
in
that
space.
F
A
So
I
mean
I
think
this
is
maybe
a
good
question
to
you
Toby,
like
do
you
anticipate
in
a
few
weeks
once
this
is
kind
of
a
little
bit
more
locked
in
and
understood,
maybe
providing
more
of
a
readout
or
kind
of
highlights
of,
for
example,
the
policy
discussions
around
the
CRA
or
other
pieces
back
to
this
group.
Or
do
you
anticipate
providing
that
in
a
different
forum.
F
That
is
a
great
question.
I
don't
have
a
great
answer
because
I
don't
know
those
conversations
have
like
they're
happening
in
bursts.
Essentially,
as
policy
is
shared
or
discussed
amount
around,
you
know
among
people
who
are
actively
working
on
it,
Robin
you're,
going
to
say
something:
I'm
sort.
B
Of
curiously
I've
been
connected
with
Mirko
from
Linux
Foundation,
Europe
and
I'm
really
happy
I
have
links
to
his
folder
that
all
of
the
content's
been
updated
into
more
digestible.
You
know
talking
points
and
summaries,
so,
for
example,
Mateo
has
volunteered
to
to
take
a
briefing
and
then
go
contact
any
stakeholders.
He
needs
to
her
policy
makers,
so
we
can
have
Mirko
participate
in
the
standards
working
group
if
it
would
be
helpful
and
just
give
a
a
quick
update.
F
Because
I
mean
there's
a
lot
to
follow
and
sort
of
keeping
up
to
date
was
things
is
very
hard
like
whatever
was
relevant
a
week
and
a
half
ago
like
sometimes
is,
and
sometimes
no
longer
is-
and
it's
like
you
know
so
yeah.
If
there's
someone,
that's
actually
doing
the
work
and
that's
willing
to
come
and
share
this
here,
I
think
that
would
be
useful.
F
I
think
the
liaison
is
well
I,
think
the
two
things
that
are
valuable
wisdom,
open
policy
Alliance
one
is
just
like
showing
that
there's
a
diverse
group
of
organizations
that
care
about
this
stuff
I
think
that
matters
a
lot
actually
and
I
think
the
second
value
is
also
seeing
if
there
are
specific
things
that
open
GSF
can
do
or
like
its
projects
can
do
and
that
at
this
point
I
don't
think
I
mean
I.
F
A
Okay,
I'm
taking
an
action
item,
note
to
invite
Marco
to
come
to
one
of
our
upcoming
standards,
WG
meetings
and
maybe
do
a
a
briefing
and
I
think
Toby.
Your
last
point
is
super
on
the
nose
and
what
can
openjs
projects
or
the
foundation
or
this
group?
What
can
we
do
to
assist
in
this
bigger
picture
of
Storytelling
and
and
understanding
and
awareness
building
about
the
CRA
in
this
case,
but
in
the
future?
A
B
F
Well,
there's,
like
a
I
mean
there
was
a
number
of
different
things
going
on,
for
that
explains
why
it's
unclear
what
to
do
right
now,
I
think
overall,
the
industry
and,
like
the
the
different
folks,
have
different
opinions
as
to
what
to
do
so.
It's
a
frankly
like
the
signals
are,
are
like
very
mixed
and
very
confusing
and
and
yeah.
It
feels
like
it's
evolving
on
a
day-to-day
basis
like
it's
frankly
like
I,
can't
follow
it
to
know.
F
What's
going
on
like
there's,
yeah
I
mean
if
you
know,
there's
like
there's
essentially
too
much
going
on,
and
it
feels
like
very
hard.
There
is
no
concerted
agreement
as
to
what
to
do
right
now.
F
I
I
think
is
kind
of
like
down
the
situation
and
yeah
also
waiting
for
of
feed
to
get
back
sort
of
like
into
the
you
know.
In
September,
things
are
going
to
move
a
little
bit
more
I,
I
think
so.
Yeah.
A
A
F
Had
summer
time
in
Europe,
so
do
you
know
I
mean
it's
holidays
here,
literally
care
about
this
stuff,
so
yeah
so
I
think
that
that's
also
there's
also
kind
of
like
a
pause
and
yeah
I.
Think
we'll
know
more
in
a
couple
weeks.
A
Awesome
so
I
asked
that
question
in
the
context
of
you
know,
liaison
updates,
but
that
was
really
kind
of
spoke
a
little
bit
more
to
the
issue.
243
on
our
agenda,
so
I
took
those
notes
under
the
the
issue.
Let
me
plop
back
up
to
the
liaison
updates
and
since
we
have
ecma
tc39
participants
on
the
call
and
Chris
was
giving
us
a
bit
of
an
update
around
tg3.
A
Anything
I
feel
like
since
I
last
saw
y'all.
There
was
a
tc39
plenary,
but
that
feels
also
like
I
said
a
year
ago.
So
any
news
or
updates
from
the
from
the
tc39
or
its
task
groups.
C
We
I
didn't
come
prepared
with
content
to
answer
that
question.
I
I,
don't
know
what
would
be
Beyond.
You
know
looking
at
what
proposals
may
be
Advanced
I,
don't
know.
If
that's
you
know
what
you're
interested
in.
A
Yeah
so
generally,
it
would
be.
You
know
if
there
was
anything
and
sometimes
the
answer
is
like
there's
really
not
anything
of
substance
this
week
or
but
if
there
were
proposals
that
might
be
particularly
Salient
to
any
of
our
openjs
projects
and
so
there's
an
opportunity
to
go,
make
sure
those
folks
have
seen
the
proposal
and
have
had
an
opportunity
to
take
advantage
of
it
or
weigh
in
on
it
or
whatever
the
case
may
be.
A
You
know
if
there's
any
kind
of
General
opportunities
for
the
broader
Community
to
provide
feedback
or
advancements
of
specific
proposals
that
we
could
be
tracking
or
celebrating,
because
some
of
our
projects
were
involved
in
shaping
those.
Those
are
the
kinds
of
things
that
I
love
to.
You
know
help
us
to
our
horns
about,
but
you
know
it
could
be,
could
be
anything.
C
Sure
no
I
can
answer,
but
Toby
has
sent
him.
F
Yeah,
no
sorry,
this
is
sort
of
like
a
metal
point
about
this
because,
like
I
was
kind
of
like
okay.
What
do
you
want
me
to
say
exactly
like
Jordan
was
asking
like?
What's
the
what's
the
structure
in
which
you're
gonna,
you
know
be
sharing
those
reports,
and
maybe
we
should
have
some
form
of
you-
know
small
structure
for
the
liaison
stuff
to
answer
exactly
those
questions
right.
It
makes
it
way
easier.
You
know
what
projects
are
impacted,
you
know,
what
can
the
foundation
meaningfully
do?
F
A
So
one
thing
that
I
had
been
thinking
for
a
few
weeks
now
is
we've
been
doing.
The
kind
of
liaison
readouts
more
frequently
is
like
just
updating
the
notes
template
with
that
kind
of
format
of,
like
you
know,
what's
the
word
bird,
you
know
who's
the
nicer
than
that,
but
you
know
what's
what's
what's
the
news,
what
projects
are
I
just
said
that
so
that
you
would,
you
would
tease
me
for
giving
you
an
americanism.
E
A
Are
are
impacted
that
that
kind
of
that
kind
of
thing,
but
we
could
yeah
we
can
update
the
the
notes
template.
We
could
do
a
issued
template
too,
if
folks
want
to
just
give
a
kind
of
update,
I.
Think
that
that
seems
good
to
me.
I'd
like
that
too,
just
to
kind
of
frame.
What
we're
looking
for
yeah,
Chris.
Sorry.
C
Yeah,
no,
that
that
all
sounds
really
helpful
part
part
of
this
is
like
I
didn't
expect
to
give
an
update
on
last
plenary.
So
I'm
like
trying
to
remember
what
happened
at
last
plundering,
so
I
have
copy
pasted
in
the
chat
the
proposals
that
advanced
to
the
particular
stage
in
there
I
I,
you
know
off
the
top
of
my
head,
I,
don't
know
if
any
of
those
you
know
weren't
particular
scrutiny
from
from
this
group
or
not.
C
But
those
are
the
proposals
that
Advance
the
other
two
things
that
happen,
one
larger
than
the
other
is
the
formation
of
a
new
task
group.
So
tg4
was
chartered
at
the
last
meeting,
which
is
Source
Maps,
so
the
source
map
people
had
agreed
to
bring
the
specification
into
a
standards
track
within
ecma
under
tc39.
So
we
have
a
new
task
group
tg4
for
Source
Maps.
C
So
another
thing
that
folks
are
interested
in
joining
that
effort.
Please
please
join
us
and
then
tg3
I
already
spoke
about
tg3,
but
tg3.
We
did
elect
the
shares
for
that
group,
which
are
myself
and
Jordan
harband.
C
F
Super
cool
to
hear
the
voice
map
working
group,
whatever
the
structure
is
called.
However,
that
happened
or
got
structured
or
got
spun
off
could
be
interesting
for
the
folks
working
on
the
package,
not
chasing
stuff,
because
it's
kind
of
like
a
similar-ish
adjacent-ish
to
the
main
language
kind
of
thing.
C
Yeah,
that's
the
package
Json
there's
a
couple
of
things
happening
there
right.
One
is
around
General
package
day
something
and
then
there's
like
another
I,
think
more
tangential
effort
with
package,
Json
Focus
around
security
and
s-bomb.
C
So
that's
actually
something
I'd
like
to
get
some
more
insight
into.
What's
going
on
with
those
efforts
on
package
Json,
because
I'm
I
really
only
know
superficially
have
heard
about
it
and
I
would
like
to
know
more
about.
What's
going
on,
there.
B
Ethan
Arrowwood
is
sort
of
driving
that
he's
on
a
three-week
vacation
and
when
he's
back
we're
going
to
schedule
regular
meetings
and
we'll
put
them
on
the
public
calendar.
So
but
there
is
a
repo
opened
where
the
team
and
group
worked
on
a
kind
of
a
statement
and
there's
also
a
slack
Channel
with
the
related
name
package,
metadata,
interop,
collab
space.
A
Package
data
interrupt
collab
space.
Okay
I
was
just
seeing
if
that
spelled
something
cool
as
an
accident,
but
no
Rick
is
also
Rick
I,
don't
know
if,
because
I
think
you
were
also
part
of
some
of
those
conversations.
If
you
know
if
there
was
any.
D
No
at
the
moment,
there's
not
there's
a
Hiatus
on
that,
just
because
Ethan's
been
away
but
I
know
like
outside
of
the
that
I
know.
Darcy
and
I
have
been
talking
and
inside
of
the
package.
Maintenance
working
group
in
node
for
a
few
things
somewhat
interrelated
with
package
Json
with
in
relates
to
the
create
PKG
stuff
so
and
we're
work.
We're
working
through
that
still.
A
And
is
he
back
two
weeks
from
now
he's.
A
Super
duper
so
then
the
next
and
I
think
you
said
this
earlier
Chris.
The
next
plenary
is
for
TC.
39
is
helpfully
coinciding
with
the
open
source
EU,
so
September
19th
through
21.
A
All
right
so
Donovan
is
our
tc53
person
seen
Donovan
in
a
minute,
so
I'll
check
in
with
him
and
see.
If
he
can,
you
know,
give
us
an
update
on
any
any
tc53
happenings
which
are
relevant
to
some
of
our
projects
like
node-red
and
and
others.
A
So
we
will
pass
on
that
and
then
w3c
is
the
last
of
well.
Not
last
is
another
of
our
liaison
groups.
A
They
are
getting
ready
for
TPAC
there's
a
lot
of
really
great
presentations
that
are
coming
together
for
their
developer
day,
which
is
going
to
be
the
Wednesday
during
TPAC
week.
They
typically
will
will
get
that
agenda
put
together
in
about
a
month
before
sometimes
they're
able
to
support
remote
participation.
I'm,
not
sure
if
that
is
on
the
road
map
this
year,
but
I
can
drop
a
link
to
TPAC
schedule
and
chat
here
just
momentarily.
A
A
A
Mean
I,
don't
know,
that'd
be
a
great
time.
That'd
be
a
really
huge
that'd
be
well
timed
if
they
could
do
that.
A
So
we'll
we'll
see
so
I
really
don't
have
anything
outside
of
those
bits
for
from
the
w3c
right
now
and
then
the
last
group
Emily
is
our
our
rep
for
the
Unicode
Consortium
and
so
we'll
follow
up
with
it.
Emily
and
I
think
this
is
also
not
necessarily
the
easiest
time
for
Emily
who's
in
Finland.
A
If
we
have
a
liaison
issue
template
or
something
like
that,
he
can
just
drop
those
in
asynchronously
so
and
and
Donovan
as
well.
So
I
will
do
that
so
I
think
that's
it
for
the
liaison
reports.
Unless
I'm
missing
anyone
am
I
missing.
Anyone.
A
Cool
awesome
so
that
moves
us
into
the
agenda
items.
A
A
Yep
so
let's
yeah,
let's
merge
it
in
I.
A
That's
a
good
question:
I
mean
we
have
committee,
so
Chris's
question
is
any
liaising
with
ietf.
Folks,
we
certainly
have
members
of
our
community.
James
Snell
actually
is
is
the
one
that
comes
to
mind
first
and
foremost,
who
are
active
in
the
ietf
and
from
time
to
time
bring
us
things
that
are
like
touching
Us
in
in
some
way.
We
don't
have
a
formal
release
in
relationship
with
them.
I
mean
that
being
anybody
can
can
join
as
an
individual
and
participate
in
ietf.
C
Well,
yes,
but
I'm
more
thinking
of
the
iesg,
and
you
know
folks
that
the
groups
that
drafts
go
to
for
approval
and
publication
that
that
are
sort
of
the
ietf
drafts
are
gated
on,
but
yeah
I
mean
you're
right
any
yeah.
Everybody
is
a
participant
in
iuts.
They
just
participate,
but
more
looking
for
I,
don't
know
Clairvoyance
into
some
of
those
folks
in
the
so
there's
the
iesg
and
then
there's
one
other
group
of
folks
that
are
the.
C
A
Yeah
yeah
so
I
mean
I,
think
so
so
I
I'd
have
to
go
like
refresh
my
memory
of
the
role
of
the
iesg,
for
example,
one
thing
that
we
have
tended
to
not
step
in
to
do
as
the
found
as
openjs
Foundation
is,
is
take
a
role
in
like
ratifying
or
approving
specifications.
A
We
have
lots
of
projects
who
and
and
participants
who,
in
their
capacity
as
open
source
maintainers
and
in
their
capacity,
is
IBM
developers
whose
organizations
are
members
of
these.
These
orgs
are
in
a
position
to
go.
Do
that
where
I
think
we
play
is
much
more
like
the
public
feedback
facilitation
and
that
kind
of
stuff,
but
that's
my
take
on
it
and
sorry
Toby.
You
had
your
hand
up.
A
A
Yeah
I
saw
Robin
shake
her
head,
I
mean
that's
my
my
two
cents.
You
know
is
that
that's
not
where
we
want
to
be
and
that
the
ietf
is
probably
more
of
the
appropriate
place
for
us
to
channel
our
respective
energies
because
there
are
individual
people
can
get
in
and
you
know
share
their
thoughts
or
their
experience
whatever
constructively
without
needing
to
have
openjs's
endorsement,
which
is
I.
Think
the
thing
that
we
try
and
thoughtfully
use
I
don't
know,
that's
my
two
cents
again.
Sorry
Robin
go
ahead
and
Toby.
F
My
question
was:
what
sort
of
like
specific
areas
were
you
interested
in
Chris,
because
I
think
there
were
topics
that
are
happening
at
you
know
in
in
areas
of
the
ATF
that
are
relevant
to
some
of
our
projects?
I,
don't
know
like
whatever
HTTP
version
folks
are
talking
about
now,
for
example,
probably
relevant
to
like
all
of
Nosa.
You
know
IO
so
I.
F
It
could
be
interesting
to
have
you
know
some
more
structured
Communications
around
like
there's
a
lower
level
groups
or
not
I,
don't
know,
but
I
feel
like
that
feels
different
like
it
feels
completely
different
kind
of
like
you
know,
tc39
versus
ECMO,
there's
probably
like
similar
things,
and
you
know,
ietf
versus,
like
specific
actual
working
groups,
do
or
like
you
know,
similar
kind
of
like
groups,
and
so
maybe
that's
worth
looking
into
still.
My
question
to
Chris
was
like
Are
there
specific
areas
that
you're
thinking
about.
C
I
guess
I
have
two
answers
to
it.
One
would
just
be.
It
would
just
be
nice
to
kind
of
know
what's
going
on
what's
on
their
plate,
because
it's
it's
always
pretty
opaque
when
I
try
and
find
out
information
about
what
what's
on
their
plate
and
what's
going
on,
so
it
would
just
be
nice
to
have
you
know
because
I
did
earlier
here.
The
things
from
the
tz39
plenary,
but
somebody
was
in
here
from
you
know,
eisg
could
keep
us
abreast
of.
What's
going
on.
C
The
second
answer,
is
we
were
sort
of
some
of
us
collectively
frustrated
with
the
pace
of
how
quickly
they
were
getting
through
with
the
time
stamp
here,
I'll
post,
the
the
draft?
This
is
the
in
the
sedate
working
group,
but
this
was
blocking
I,
don't
know
Richard.
Is
this
still
blocking
temporal?
Do
you
know,
or
did
we
finally.
E
C
Yeah,
so
this
is
one
where
they
were
like
way
past
their.
You
know
they're
supposed
to
get
through
the
review
process
in
some
amount
of
time,
and
that
wasn't
happening,
which
is
fine,
I
mean
you
know,
I'm
not
trying
to
beat
anybody
up
about
it,
but
it
was
just
frustrating
because
we're
getting
like
so
little
information
and
don't
know
what's
going
on
and
yeah
so
that
that
kind
of
sparked
my
interest
and
what
are
the?
What
are
these
folks
doing
but,
like
I
said
earlier,
I
think
it's
just.
A
A
So
that's
the
I
I
just
think
that
that's
a
great
idea,
great
idea
to
try
and
figure
out.
If
there's
a
way,
we
can
feed
some
news,
especially
news
that
we
think
is
relevant
and
bearing
on
other
efforts
that
we're
invested
in
like
temporal
like
we
should
be.
We
should
be
bringing
that
to
the
attention
of
the
community
and
using
our
voice
to
hopefully
like
go
get
this
one
dude.
A
Other
thoughts
or
ideas
on
other
it
is
my
dream
for
Tim
portal
to
reach
stage
four,
any
other
news
or
thoughts
or
discussion
on
liaisins.
F
I
mean:
could
we
just
start
by
listing
the
groups
that
we
wouldn't
want
to
have
to
hear
more
about?
At
least
it
gives
us
a
story?
I
literally
don't
even
know
what
kind
of
structure
you're
talking
about
Chris
you
know
and
I,
don't
know
who
else
knows
or
doesn't,
and
you
know
I
think
just
that
would
be
useful.
F
That
would
be
a
start.
I
mean
like
I'm,
going
to
give
you
an
example
like
that,
the
next
time
I
I
talk
to
like
Mark
Nottingham,
I'm
gonna,
ask
him
hey
at
ietf
like.
What's
that
you
know,
structure
and
like
who
like?
Where
does
it
report
to
oh,
like
how
does
it
work?
C
Yeah
I
think
part
of
the
difficulty
is:
where
is
the
information
and
then
there's
like
a
whole
problem
of
how
is
it
organized
because
I
don't
know
if
you've
ever
tried
to
navigate
the
ietf
website
and
try
and
figure
out?
What's
going
on,
no
I
I
mean,
but
it's
I.
D
F
Need
like
I
agree,
I
mean
architecture
going
on.
You
know.
I
I
run
like
a
database
of
of
like
standard
references.
So
I,
not
you
know,
I
have
done.
I
have
done
like
I
know
how
difficult
it
is
to
just
figure
stuff
out.
So
I
know
where
to
find
the
list
of
stand
of,
like
you
know,
whatever
they're
called
the
like
rfcs
that
are
coming
out
and
like
the
there's
like
another
like
there's
a
bunch
of
so
like
when
you
dig.
A
This
yeah
I
I
mean
they
have
one
very
Chris
and
Richard
have
like
this
one
very
tactical
example
of
like
the
the
the
day
tracker
stuff
bearing
on
our
work
and
so
I
think
I.
Think
if
we
have
just
like
a
couple
of
those
kinds
of
things,
maybe
that's
something
that
we
can
start
to
pay
more
attention
to
as
a
group
and
find
ways
if
possible,
to
like.
F
I
mean
it
seems,
like
the
working
groups
and
like
streams
and
like
just
you
know,
falling
from
that
thing
that
you
linked
there
was
a
bunch
of
working
group.
Stuff
like
I,
know,
literally
have
no
clue
how
it
works.
I'm,
sorry
for
my
language,
but
it
feels
like
you
know,
to
follow
on
on
Joey's
point.
F
We
don't
need
to
understand
how
the
whole
ETF
works.
We
need
to
identify
the
things
that
matter
and
then
like
be
able
to
go
up
from
there
to
figure
out
like
where
those
those
specific
conversations
are
happening.
Exactly
like
I
mean
we
don't
need
to
know
like
how
ecuma
does
like
you
know,
the
optical
design
standard
and
whatever
that
thing
is
or
like
the
hard
drive
standard
or
like
you
know,
they
do
a
whole
bunch
of
like
we.
Don't
it
doesn't
matter
to
us.
We
don't
need
to
know
about
this.
F
A
Yeah
I
think
and
I
think
that's
what
people
are
saying
or
that
it
feels
like
that's
what
what
Chris
is
suggesting
I
mean
they
have
a
specific
example,
and
we
won't
know
if
there's
anything
else
until
somebody
comes
forward
and
says,
and
also
this.
This
working
group
under
the
ITF
is
also.
A
But
that's
not
that's,
there's
not
always
something
for
us
to
sort
of
raise
awareness
for
it
just
feels
like
more.
You
know,
ad
hoc,
as
our
community
members
stumble
across
blockers
or
challenges
or
issues
so
but
I
so
I
think.
Maybe
we
do
want
to
start
just
despite
not
having
a
specific
liaison
relationship
in
place.
Maybe
we
do
want
to
start
tracking.
A
Is
there
anything
going
on
in
the
ietf
world
right
now
that
where
our
projects
are
should
be
aware
of,
and
so
you
know
like
this
little
factoid
about
that
work,
somewhat
blocking
or
not
somewhat
definitely
blocking
temporal
from
stage
four,
like
that's
good
to
know,
because
I
think
a
lot
of
people
in
the
community
are
sitting
there
going.
Why
isn't
this?
Why
isn't
this
done
yet
and
we
can
well
here's?
Why
a
reason
why
so.
A
All
right,
I'm
gonna,
move
us
on
because
we
have
just
a
few
more
minutes.
Left
I
should
go
pick
up
my
kid
from
camp
and
we
have
three
three
other
issues:
issues:
173
2,
30,
I'm,
Excuse
me
yeah,
240,
239
our
pull
requests
and
then
those
are
connected
to
173..
Many
of
you
have
given
approval
and
plus
one
to
some
of
these
PRS.
It
has
been
a
hot
minute
since
I
have
read
through
the
the
thread:
the
threads.
The
objective
here
was
just
to
make
some
incremental
improvements.
A
I
see
some
commits
for
like
typos,
so
I,
better
Fix,
better,
accept
those,
but
assuming
these
are
accepted.
Turkey
I
think
years
on
240
you
have
changes
requested
I,
don't
know
if
the
discussion
that
we
had
in
thread
was
satisfactory
or
if
you
still
have
changes
requested
and
then
I
think.
A
A
Okay,
cool
and
then
239
was
the
member
representation,
and
that
looks
that
looks
like
we've
got
plenty
of
plus
ones
on
that
one.
So
I
think
I'm
going
to
going
to
merge.
I
guess
I
had
a
duplicate.
A
A
Just
a
a
request,
a
reminder,
if
there's
anything
that
you
think
we
could
address
from
a
documentation
standpoint
that
will
make
your
ability
to
participate
as
a
project
member
in
in
any
of
these
standard
spaces
easier.
Please
let
us
know,
file
an
issue
and
raise
it
for
discussion
and
because
that
is
a
big
function
of
what
we
as
a
group
are
here
to
do,
is
make
make
this
easier
for
everybody.
A
Oh
here's
a
reminder:
hello!
Dory!
Oh
my
gosh
tomorrow,
my
friend
Rex
jaskey,
who
was
for
a
brief
hot
minute
chair
for
tc39,
is
doing
a
a
webinar
for
us
called
writing
a
formal
I.T
specification
and
I've
shared
this
on.
My
LinkedIn
I
will
also
put
it
out
in
our
slack,
but
for
any
of
our
friends.
I
should
have
said
this
in
the
announcement
section.
Sorry
about
that.
Our
friend
who
are
interested
in
how
to
write
a
formal,
I.T
specification-
this
is
non-iso
specific.