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From YouTube: All Things OpenShift 4.13 and ROSA
Description
In this episode of In the Clouds, Stu Miniman gets chatting with Andy Cathrow, the Senior Director for Global Product Management at Red Hat. The chat will be themed around Red Hat’s latest upgrade to OpenShift, the new OpenShift 4.13 product release. This episode comes after the ‘What’s New OpenShift 4.13’ episode from the previous week, and will expand on the features further, taking more time to answer questions that were left out. The conversation will then focus on ROSA, Red Hat’s OpenShift service on AWS.
This frank discussion will give others an opportunity to ask questions live. Don't miss out on this episode.
A
Hi
and
welcome
to
another
episode
of
in
the
clouds.
I
am
your
host
Stu
miniman,
it
is
mid-may,
and
that
means
we
are
just
a
couple
of
days
away
from
thousands
of
people
coming
here
to
my
backyard.
Red
Hat,
Summit
and
ansible
Fest
are
going
to
be
here
in
Boston
Massachusetts
next
week
super
exciting.
Last
year
we
had
our
other
small
event.
A
I've
had
some
really
good
discussions
there,
but
my
feedback
was:
it
didn't
really
feel
like
red
hat
Summit
something
I'd
attended
many
years
before
I
joined
Red
Hat
and
this
year
all
indications
are.
We
are
back
in
full
force.
The
sessions
there
we've
got
some
great
Keynotes
planned
lots
of
good
customers
sharing.
A
Their
stories,
of
course,
will
be
front
ending
the
week
with
openshift
Commons,
which
has
a
great
lineup
and
then
the
the
red
hat
Summit,
there's
a
partner
ecosystem
day,
and
so
many
other
ancillary
activities,
and
so
that
means
all
of
us
are
ready.
Hat
have
been
really
really
busy
and
I'm
really
happy
to
be
able
to
grab
for
a
few
minutes
for
this
session.
Somebody
that
I
know
has
been
really
busy
this
week
leading
up
to
this
activity.
So
that's
Andy,
cathrow
Andy
is
a
senior
director
of
product
management.
A
He
has
the
cloud
services
team
at
Red,
Hat,
Andy,
I,
I,
know
you
and
the
team
super
busy
we're
going
to
be
talking
a
little
bit
about
4.13
a
little
bit
about
red
hat
Summit
and
in
your
journey.
So
thanks
so
much
for
joining
me
great.
Thank
you
for
having
me
soon
all
right
and
what,
if
you
could
you
know
you
you're
you're,
a
long
time,
red
Hatter
and
what
wanna
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
your
background
and
yeah?
Let's
go.
B
From
there,
I
guess,
I
mean
kind
of
long
time,
I'm
what
they
call
a
boomerang.
So
you
see
with
most
red
haters
it'd,
be
like
a
hat
on
the
back
wall
with
meters
too,
so
my
first
10
at
Red,
Hats
I'm,
now
on
my
second,
so
I
spent
nine
years
at
Red
Hat,
you
know
early
2000s,
so
the
days
when
opened
Source
was
something
that
was
frightening
and
you
had
to
get
an
exception
to
deploy
it.
B
You
know
I
launched
kbm
at
red
hat
and
what
I
had
fertilization,
openstack,
audio
and
then
five
years
out,
doing
some
iot
at
verisign,
doing
some
container
security
and
core
and
then
managed
services
at
Rackspace,
which
brought
me
back
into
red
hat,
which
is
great,
and
it
brought
me
back
to
Red
Hat
within
managed
services
and
I.
Think
that
journey
I
think
that
for
five
years
out,
the
way
I
spin
it
to
myself
when
I
when
I
think
about
it
is.
B
It
gave
me
some
time
to
think
some
time
to
kind
of
learn
and
get
a
different
perspective.
On
my
perspective.
Now
is
not
as
as
a
product
guy,
but
as
now
as
somebody
who
did
this
Services
right
and
the
time
it
Rackspace
especially
was
important
to
kind
of
recalibrate
and
that
kind
of
maps
back
to
Red,
Hat's
Journey.
From
being
you
know,
a
product
company
and
now
to
be
a
services
company
right.
A
Yeah,
that's
awesome
Andy
and
yeah
I
like,
as
you
said,
you
know
the
early
days.
Open
source
was
a
little
scary,
I
I
guess
some
of
it
is
we're
a
little
bit
more
comfortable
with
the
chaos
that
that
is
open,
Force,
because
it
still
is
it's
an
interesting
landscape
that
we
live
in,
but
you
know
Red
Hat
has
Decades
of
experience.
We
we
make
it
easier
for
customers.
We've
helped
grow
this
ecosystem.
Quite
a
lot
yeah.
But
you
know
cloud
services.
A
Andy
have
changed
an
awful
lot.
You
know
one
of
talk
tracks,
I
I
talk
with
customers,
you
know
openshift
itself
started
as
openshift
online,
but
that's
very
different
from
the
arrow
Rosa
OSD
offerings
that
you
talk
about
today
or
you
know
even
I
I
have
to
imagine
there's
quite
a
few
differences
from
the
world
that
you
lived
in
when
you
were
a
racker.
Can
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
that
maturation
of
cloud
services?
A
B
Yeah
I
mean
let
me
start
with
the
open
side.
First
and
I
saw
a
customer
in
in
Atlanta
a
couple
of
months
ago
who
I
met,
probably
2006
2007,
and
at
the
time
we
were
explaining
about
Linux
and
GPL.
It
wasn't
going
to
impact
them
and
they
went
through
a
long
process
to
get
an
exception
to
deploy
open
source
and
then,
when
I
met
with
him
recently,
everything
is
open
by
default,
there's
an
exception
process
for
proprietary
and
it
just
the
what
has
changed
and
I
look
at.
B
You
know
when
I
left,
Red
Hats,
our
relationship
with
Microsoft
was
maybe
not
on
the
best
of
terms
right
as
I
come
back
now,
we've
got
a
joint
service
at
Microsoft.
We
have
him
keynoting
on
the
stage
at
Summit,
like
we
have
a
great
relationship
right,
focusing
on
the
customers
right,
so
to
see
how
open
source
has
really
changed.
The
industry
has
been
it's
been
incredible
and
then
services
and
I
I
think
there's
two
perspective
to
services
that
you
hear
even
from
Red
Hat
right.
B
So
one
is
it's
new
when
we're
making
this
move
to
manage
services,
and
why
do
you
want
to
manage
service
that
conversation
with
the
customer
but
I?
Think
most
of
the
industry
in
customers
are
like
yeah?
Let's
manage
it's
on
the
cloud,
it's
managed
and
I
think
you
know,
as
an
industry,
we've
moved
away
from.
That's
my
computer.
Don't
touch
it
to.
B
Can
you
just
do
the
plumbing
right
and
it
was
that
and
our
whole
pitch
around
services
to
our
customers,
who
are
already
the
most
technical
customers
in
the
industry
and
openshift
customers,
especially
from
the
early
days
they're.
You
know
a
Linux
cyber
user.
They
know
the
depth
of
the
product,
they
could
manage
it
right,
there's
nothing
that
we
did,
that
they
couldn't
do
right
and
the
pitch
that
we
give
is
like.
Let's
move
you
away
from
24x7
operations
to
9x5
Innovation
sure
you
can
do
patching
at
2AM,
you
can
do
the
plumbing.
B
You
can
do
the
testing
and
validation,
but
if
we
can
do
that
for
you,
you
spend
your
time
doing
the
differentiating
work
like
doing
that.
Innovation
right
and
that's
just
being
a
great
journey
to
have.
We
still
have
those
customer
conversations
or
the
customer
people
think
really
wants
to
still
manage
it,
but
then
we
talk
about
well.
Are
you
doing
a
service
mesh?
Are
you
doing
serverless,
you
know.
Are
you
looking
at
these
Technologies?
Well,
no
because
well,
I
do
the
boring
things
we
keep
the
lights
on
for
you.
B
A
Yeah
great
great
points
Andy
every
customer
I
talk
to
right,
it's
I
could
do
it,
but
as
our
friends
at
Amazon
like
to
say
you
know
what
is
that
undifferentiated
heavy
lifting
every
customer
I
talk
to
whether
you
have
sres
or
don't
even
know
what
an
SRE
is.
You've
got
scarce
resources.
Where
should
you
be
spending
your
time
just
like
today?
There's
very
few
customers
that
you
know
roll
out
and
manage
their
own
email
system.
They
just
consume
it.
A
We
think
you
know
kubernetes
is
going
to
be
a
lot
the
the
same
way
and
therefore
you
know
many
customers
can
do
that.
I
want
to
talk
a
lot
more
about
Rosa
and
some
of
your
space.
But
last
week
we
had
the
the
what's
new
in
openshift
4.13,
so
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
we
always
talk
about
all
of
the
great
technical
features,
all
of
Europe
peers
and
product
management
go
into
a
lot
of
detail
as
to
what's
coming
on
there.
A
But
one
of
the
things
that
caught
my
eyes
and
why
I'm
glad
to
have
you
on
it
is
there
was
discussion
as
to
how
we
develop
openshift
itself
and
today.
That
is
really
what
we
call
a
services
first
methodology.
It
reminds
me
you
know
Andy
is
this,
like
you
know,
Microsoft
I,
remember
a
bunch
of
years
back,
they
said
you
know
when
they
build
all
their
software
first,
it
runs
in
Azure
and
then
you
know
it
goes
everywhere
else.
Are
we
talking
about
red
hat
is
kind
of
a
similar
methodology.
Today,
yeah.
B
B
Well,
what
a
lot
of
our
team
you
know
worked
on
from
the
service
delivery
part
is
how
do
you
wrap
openshift,
self-managed
and
deliver
it
to
customers
right
and
so
there's
work
that
would
have
to
do
to
take
a
product
and
turn
it
into
a
service.
What
we're
seeing
here
now
is
this
service.
First,
you
know
mentality,
which
is
we're
going
to
build
something
designed
to
be
a
service
right
and
the
key
part
about
that
and
I
I.
B
Don't
want
to
jump
straight
into
hosted
control,
planes
and
hypershift,
but
it
excites
me
so
I'm
going
to
jump
there
is
you
and
the
team
looked
at
openshift
and
what
we
have
to
do
to
deploy
and
manage
and
said?
Well,
if
this
was
a
managed
service,
how
would
we
do
it
and
a
good
example
would
be
I,
wouldn't
put
the
control
plan
in
the
customer's
account?
I
put
it
in
a
service
account.
B
B
Exciting
one
for
me,
because
again,
we've
built
something
to
be
a
service
rather
than
wrapping
something
and
doing
the
extra
work
to
turn
it
into
a
service.
Now,
there's
many
many
more
things
in
in
413,
I
mean
Cube
126,
as
I
said
the
least
moving
to
round
nine
is
exciting
to
get
c
groups
V2
right
that
level
of
control
by
the
more
obstitute.
In
terms
of
that,
for
you
know,
memories,
cpuio,
Etc
and
then
there's
some
features
that
you
you
look
at
the
release
list
with
your
own
particular
lens.
B
For
me,
it's
one
of
my
customers.
Looking
for
so
you
know,
one
of
those
is
custom.
Metrics
Auto
scaler,
like
big
deal
for
customers
with
Dynamic
workloads,
another
one
for
our
Google
customers
is
shared,
vpcs
or
xpm,
so
I
think
for
me
those
are
the
highlights.
There's
many
on-premise
features.
We
could
talk
about
some
of
the
vsphere
features,
but
I
get
excited
about
what
we're
doing
now
on
the
Google
on
Azure
on
AWS.
Oh.
B
A
Do
yeah,
but
it's
interesting
because
you
know
our
message
has
been
for
a
number
of
years
now,
really
it's
an
open
shift
everywhere
message
and
when
I
talk
to
customers
I'm,
like
look,
are
there
some
little
differences
between?
You
know
how
we
build
something
in
Amazon
versus
with
Microsoft
versus
at
the
edge.
A
There
are
times
that
we
have
to
do
things
a
little
bit
differently,
but
we're
always
trying
to
you
know,
take
out
the
Sandpaper
and
you
know
buff
out
those
rough
edges
between
them,
because
it's
the
consistency
of
openshift
everywhere.
But
you
know
there
were
some
pieces
that
you
know
I
saw
in
there.
It's
like.
Oh
you
know.
The
compact
cluster
support
now
now
available
in
AWS
and
Azure,
a
single
node
openshift,
now
available
on
AWS
those
pieces
that
we
had
them
outside
of
the
cloud
or
self-managed,
and
you
know
so
some
of
those
differences.
A
B
And
you
said,
I
think
one
of
my
favorite
words
there.
So
everyone
talks
about
hybrid
Cloud
to
me
consistency
and
that's
what
he
used.
That's
the
one
thing
is
most
important:
I
want
to
speak
to
customers.
They
want
the
consistency
of
the
tooling
the
support,
the
life
cycle,
like
the
value
of
the
services
that
they're
running
on-prem,
that
they're
now
going
to
do
in
AWS
or
they're,
going
to
do
on
Azure
right
and
then
how
we
can
bring
that
consistency
in
the
way
that
we
operate.
The
customers
is
critical,
yeah.
A
Andy,
can
you
give
us
a
little
bit?
You
know
it's
one
of
the
things
that
consistency
is
important,
but
you
sometimes
we're
like
oh
Red,
Hat
you're,
the
Switzerland
of
these
environments
and
I
was
like
I
actually
pushed
back
on
that,
because
I
know
how
much
work
your
team
does
to
deeply
integrate
with
Microsoft.
If
you
look
at
Arrow,
it
looks
and
acts
many
ways
like
a
Microsoft
service
in
the
console.
I
remember
when
it
was
first
up
there.
A
It
didn't
even
say
red
hat
the
first
time
there
was
just
the
O
logo
and
you
kind
of
figured
out
in
Amazon,
sometimes
there's
some
native
services
that
we're
using
and
like
Roland
Barcia
at
the
open
shift.
Commons
in
Amsterdam
did
a
phenomenal
presentation.
Talking
about
you,
know,
AK
and
all
the
other
Integrations
that
we
do
to
deeply
work
with
all
of
those
native
services
on
AWS.
B
Yeah,
no
it
it
it's
a
great
question
because,
yes,
on
one
hand,
consistency
is
key.
On
the
other
hand,
from
a
customer
point
of
view,
if
you
decide
to
run
an
AWS
or
on
Azure
on
Google,
you
want
to
take
advantage
of
all
those
services.
So
that's
where
this
partnership
comes
in
right.
So
you
know,
if
I
look
at
the
you
know
the
interfaces
that
we
have
with
with
Microsoft
with
AWS
we're
not
delivering
a
product
that
we
drop
on
top.
B
So
I
think
the
way
that
you
get
that
tight
integration
isn't
just
by
reading
API,
docs
and
Implement.
Something
is
by
working
with
a
vendor
right
and
there's
the
influence
that
we've
had
within
the
leading
Cloud
vendors
on
you
know
on
the
robot
and
how
they've
you
know,
built
their
platforms
right
and
it's
it's
not
a
one-way
relationship
like
it's,
a
great
symbiotic
relationship
there
and
so
I.
Think
the
key
to
that
is
that
close
partnership
right
and
what's
funny
to
me
now
is
I.
B
Get
this
question
a
lot
and
it's
one
I
always
want
to
raise.
Is
someone
says
to
me?
Why
would
I
pick
you
know
openshift
over
eks
or
AKs
and
in
that
case
I'll
say
well.
Actually
let
me
get
somebody
from
Azure
or
somebody
from
AWS
to
answer
that
question
for
you
right.
That's
the
best
way
to
handle
it.
The
answer
you
typically
will
hear
is:
openshift
isn't
Enterprise
kubernetes,
it's
an
application
platform,
an
era
when
rows
of
our
TurnKey
application
platforms.
They
bring
all
of
your
development
tools.
B
Runtime
builds
margins
Etc
into
one
intuitive
box,
batteries
included
but
swipeable,
and
if
you
want
an
app
platform
here,
you
go.
If
you
want
to
DIY,
we've
got
eks,
we've
got
AKs
right,
so
I
think
the
way
that
we
get
this
type
integration
is
leveraging.
The
partners
right
and
they've
got
great
insights
into
their
world
and
we
work
on
that
integration.
I
think!
That's!
That's
the
key
yeah.
A
Andy,
it's
so
important
and
you're
right
when
we
can
just
have
you
know,
Amazon
and
Azure
share
why
they've
brought
us
into
their
console,
and
you
know,
launch
those
first
party
services
that
that's
so
powerful
I
know
when
I
was
at
re
invent
in
December.
Some
of
the
conversations
I
was
having
with
the
Amazon
people
was,
you
know,
customers
they
choose
kubernetes
because
of
that
vast
ecosystem.
That's
out
there
and
often
Amazon's
getting
questions
about
hey
I
want
to
use
this
service
or
that
service
you
know.
A
Can
that
work
in
my
environment
they're
like
well,
you
could
just
work
with
that.
On
top
of
you
know
the
kubernetes
that
we
have
or
you
can
just
use
Rosa,
because
that
includes
then
all
of
these
services-
and
you
know
red
Hat's
done
all
the
integration
work
and
it's
it's
fully
supported,
and
then
you,
as
a
customer,
don't
have
to
do
all
of
that
extra
work
yourself.
So
it
was
just
so
nice
to
hear
them
be
like
hey.
We
understand
the
value
customers
are
asking
us,
and
it
is
you
know.
A
B
A
So
yeah,
let's
talk
a
little
bit
about
roses.
Specifically
Andy.
You
know
I,
look
at
it.
You
know
it's
it's
a
little
over
two
years
since
the
product
was
first
launched
from
an
engineering
standpoint,
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
work.
That's
been
done
jointly.
You
mentioned
the
Delta
CIO
on
stage
at
think
last
week,
which
was
awesome.
I
I'd
actually
interviewed
the
the
CIO
at
Red.
Hat
Summit
in
2019
know
how
much
expertise
they
have.
A
A
B
Yeah
so
yeah
I
think
one
of
the
critical
things
about
about
Delta
working
with
Rosa
is
Delta.
Didn't
pick
Red
Hat
openshift
Delta
picked
this
joint
service
right.
You
know,
Amazon
is
an
important
partner
for
any
critical
partner
for
Delta.
So
having
an
AWS
service
was
critical
and
then
the
advantage
of
Rosa
was
that's
something
that
they
know
well
openshift
to
take
the
value
of
openshift
above
kubernetes
and
then,
but
to
have
that
as
a
joint
service.
B
If
we
weren't
a
joint
partnership,
I
think
it
would
be
a
different
story
right,
so
that
relationship
is
is
critical
to
you
know
all
the
three
companies
involved
if
I
look
at
the
the
account
of
their
Journey
from
kind
of
on-prem
go
into
the
cloud
right
and
that
consistency
then
plays
to
that.
That's
been
kind
of
a
critical
part
of
of
development,
and
how-
and
this
is
consistent
with
our
customers-
we
work
with.
We
don't
want
to
lift
and
shift
right.
B
The
way
you
may
have
developed,
openshift
on-prem,
it's
different
to
how
you're
going
to
use
it
in
the
cloud
right.
You
don't
have
static,
resources
of
servers
and
storage.
You
have
this
infinite
pool
that
you
could
leverage
in
creative
ways
to
save
costs
and
be
more
and
then
before
your
customers,
and
so
that's
where
Again
The,
Joint
expertise
of
red
hat
with
openshift
and
in
this
case
AWS,
but
the
rows
it
comes
into
play
and
again,
you'll
see.
There's
more
customers
on
that
you'll
see
at
the
summit.
B
Number
sessions
would
go
into,
but
you'll
see
a
very
consistent
story.
You
know
they're
looking
for
more
than
just
kubernetes
right.
They
have
the
skills
to
do
that
integration
themselves.
What
they're,
looking
from
from
us
is,
you
know,
is
a
pre-packaged
solution
that
they
can
take
to
Market
and
get
value
very
quickly.
A
You
know
Andy,
you
talked
about,
you
know
you
have
the
platform,
Services
I'm
curious,
how's,
your
team
work
with
things
like
you
know:
Red
Hat,
openshift
data
science.
The
other
product
we've
been
talking
about
recently,
is
taking
our
Red
Hat
Advanced
cluster
of
security
for
kubernetes
and
having
a
cloud
services
that
I
understand
that
those
go
together
on
the
cloud
services.
So
how?
How
does
that
joint
development-
and
you
know
how
do
we
handle
that
internally,
yeah.
B
Sure
so,
yeah
I
think
that
data
science
and
AI
is
a
very
cool
space
to
be
in
now
so
I
think
Stephen
Hills,
who
runs
that
team
is
on
stage
with
me
later
next
week.
So
how
do
we
work
together?
I
mean
my
job
is
to
provide
a
platform,
that's
the
best
platform
running
your
applications
and
developing
them
right.
So
I've
got
a
service.
You
know
our
customer
base
out
there
in
the
market,
also
the
internal
customers
right
now.
B
It's
there's
a
lot
of
work
that
goes
into
to
building
the
best
platform
for
AI
for
for
the
roads
team
to
use.
So
there
again
we
treat
them
as
gonna.
You
know,
and
I
would
say:
patient
zero.
That
sounds
like
someone's
sick,
but
right
there.
Some
of
the
early
adopters
are
the
technology
that
we
have
that
help
and
drive
the
roadmap
and
it's
exciting
to
see
us
move
from
just
platform,
Services
up
the
stack
and
customers
looking
to
leverage
those
skills
right
that
experience
that
we
have
with
roads.
B
Likewise
with
ACS,
you
know
with
that
College
of
ACM.
Again,
our
goal
is
to
be
the
best
platform
for
them
to
run.
On
now,
after
a
lot
of
that,
work
doesn't
come
from
my
team.
It
comes
from
the
core
ocp
team
I
get
to
stand
on
the
shoulders
of
giants
right
when
we
sell
our
offering
you
know,
so
it
will
make
sure
that
we're
thinking
about
core
use
cases
like
cloud
like
AI,
unlike
Edge
like
you
know,
it's
a
core
pillar
for
us.
When
we
plan
these
open
shift
release.
A
Wonderful,
so
you
mentioned
you're
going
to
be
on
stage
with
Stephen
huels.
Give
us
a
little
bit.
If
you
could.
You
know
what
to
expect
from
your
you
and
your
team.
I
know:
we've
got
you
know:
Microsoft
Amazon,
you
know
both
going
to
be
prominent
at
the
show
with
us
and
I've
even
got
I'm
super
excited.
A
I've
got
a
customer
panel,
I'll
be
running
talking
about
you
know
at
modernization
and
have
have
a
few
customers
that
have
been
a
few
years
on
their
Journey,
similar
to
what
you
talked
about
with
Delta.
But
you
know
what
businesses
you
know:
transformation
they've
built
what
new
offerings
that
they've
built
on
on
top
of
it
and
I
always
love
to
be
able
to
help
enable
those
customers
to
share
with
their
peers.
So
what
else
can
we
expect
from
you
and
the
team.
B
Yeah
so
I
think
three
sessions
I've
got
a
there's
a
nasty
expert
session
with
what
part
of
the
openshift
team
I'm
doing
a
cloud
services
and
strategy
session.
But
then
the
roadmap
sessions
always
again
the
most
interesting
so
Steve
will
be
digging
into
kind
of
map
and
data
services,
with
the
focus
on
on
data
science
and
AI
I'll
be
talking
through.
B
So
that's
going
to
be
one
of
the
biggest
ones
where
we're
talking
about
about
the
preview
program
and
the
upcoming
ga
on
how
customers
can
save
significantly
typically,
eight
nine
ten
thousand
dollars
per
year
per
cluster,
as
well
as
improving
the
agility
where
they
can
provision
clusters
in
like
five
to
seven
minutes,
rather
than
45
to
55
minutes
on
traditional
open
shift
and
some
of
the
added
features
that
we
get
from
the
hypershift
or
the
hosted
control
planes.
Architecture
we'll
be
talking
about.
B
What's
coming
you
with
Google
things
like
shared
vpcs,
a
number
of
new
features
in
the
the
AO
platform,
especially
around
security
right
we've
got
a
lot
of
banking
at
the
side
customers
moving
to
to
Azure.
So
the
roadmap
you
see
reflect
some
of
the
more
detailed
security
requirements
that
they
have
so
lots
of
exciting
announcements
coming
and
we
have
a
couple
of
workshops.
If
you've
not
tried
Rosa
yet
or
AO.
A
Yeah
definitely
I
know.
Some
of
my
team
are
running
some
of
the
labs
from
what
I
hear
they're
all
sold
out
they've
been
asking
for
extra
sessions
because,
as
I
said
at
the
Top,
This
should
look
and
feel
what
people
are
familiar
with
red
hat
Summit,
and
that
means
a
lot
of
people
are
going
to
get
Hands-On
keyboards
geeking
out
digging
deep
into
it.
A
As
you
said,
road
maps
are
always
super
interesting
and
I'm
sure
Andy
everybody's
going
to
come
and
want
to
get
their
hands
on
and
try
out
like
the
hosted
control,
plane
environment.
Does
that
make
Labs
easier
too?
If
it
sounds
like
you
know,
spin
things
up
faster,
I,
don't
have
to
worry
about
certain
things
and
you
know
hey.
It
helps
under
the
underlying
cost
too.
So
that's
not
about.
B
Oh
yeah
fast
and
easy,
like
yeah
five
minutes
together.
Cluster
makes
it
a
lot
easier
and
the
other
thing
is.
We
can
also
now
send
the
link
right.
If
you
don't
get
a
chance
to
go
to
a
lab
here's
a
document
you
can
go
through
the
lab
yourself,
you
just
need
an
Azure
account
or
an
Amazon
account
and
you
can
and
you
can
deploy
and
go
to
the
same
same
process.
So
again,
the
move
to
cloud
services
simplifies
a
lot
of
things,
especially
especially
for
demos,
Taylor,
Summit.
A
All
right,
well
hey,
if
those
of
you
watching,
if
you
haven't
already,
if
you
go
to
redhat.com
Summit,
you
can
still
sign
up
for
the
virtual
participation
which
does
have
the
Keynotes
will
be
live
streaming.
There
are
some
virtual
sessions
online
and,
if
you're
on
social
media
on
on
Twitter,
it's
always
been
hashtag,
RH
Summit
to
be
able
to
participate
and
watch
along
so
Andy
I'll
give
you
the
final
word.
I
know
a
lot
of
work.
Your
team's
been
doing
to
get
ready
for
it.
B
So
that's
kind
of
number
one
for
me
and,
and
then
I
think
just
I
think
I
mentioned
the
the
housing
control
planes
launch
some
more
exciting
announcements
that
I
can
I
can't
tease
my
colleagues,
announcements
that
are
coming
up
but
I
think
there's
a
couple
of
the
first
two
Keynotes
would
be
will
be
exciting
but
again
come
find
me
kind
of
at
the
booth,
AIC
red
hat.com
questions
about
cloud
services.
We've
got
a
lot
of
smart
people
for
my
team
with
me,
I
engineers
and
sres
we'd
love
to
meet.
B
A
All
right,
that's
awesome.
Andy
I,
like
that
price
of
a
latte,
get
to
try
it
out.
Yeah
myself,
too.
Andy
super
excited
customer
meetings
that
customer
panel
I'm
running
we've
got
great
partners
coming,
so
I
got
a
bunch
of
friends
that
I
know
are
coming
to
Boston.
The
weather
is
supposed
to
be
it's
interesting.
A
We
had
like
80
degree
weather
for
a
couple
of
days,
and
now
it's
like
dropped
down
to
feeling
more
like
fall,
I
kind
of,
like
you
know,
a
light
jacket,
whether
it
gets
a
little
bit
windy
in
the
seaport,
sometimes
so
just
make
sure
dress
appropriately.
It's
not
going
to
be
shorts
and
t-shirts
outside,
but
usually
the
convention
centers
are
kind
of
cold
too.
A
So
it's
a
little
bit
more
consistent
inside
and
out
so
Andy
looking
forward
to
seeing
you
and
the
team
I'll
be
spending
some
time
in
your
cloud
services.
Booth
I've
got
some
of
the
apps.
The
experts
sessions
too
so
really
really
good
stuff,
so
yeah
as
a
final,
the
links
are
up
in
the
comments
for
where
to
come
to
Red
Hat
Summit.
Thank
you,
Andy
for
joining
joining
congrats
to
everybody
on
all
the
effort
that
went
into
both
openshift
4.13
and
all
the
prep
for
Red
Hat
Summit.
A
Please
feel
free
to
reach
out
to
me.
If
you
have
suggestions
as
to
other
topics
or
guests
that
you
would
like
to
see
on
this
program,
we
will
be
you
know
rolling
through
sessions
during
the
summer,
so
keep
an
eye
make
sure
to
like
And,
subscribe
to
the
red
hat
and
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channels
on
YouTube,
and
we
will
have
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more
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for
you.
So
thank
you,
as
always,
for
joining
us
on
your
journey
in
the
clouds
I'm
Stu
miniman
thanks.