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From YouTube: In the Clouds (S2 E6) | CNCF’s Priyanka Sharma
Description
In this week's In the Clouds, we're joined by Priyanka Sharma to talk about CNCF - The Cloud Native Computing Foundation. What is it? Why does it exist? And what benefits does it bring to the communities that it serves. We'll discuss why CNCF was started and how it has helped foster an open source cloud native ecosystem by bringing together open source projects that were previously spread across multiple organizations. Join us to learn more!
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Red Hat’s senior leadership is having to execute at an ever-increasing pace. That means that today's technology decisions have to balance short-term risk with long-term gains. This unique series provides host Chris Short inviting thoughtful and candid discussions with each guest.
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Well,
hello,
everybody,
as
chris
said,
I'm
priyanka
sharma
and
I'm
the
general
manager
of
the
cloud
native
computing
foundation,
which
you
may
be
familiar
with.
If
you're
listening
to
chris's
show,
we
are
the
home
for
close
to
100,
open
source
projects
in
the
infrastructure
space
with
kubernetes
being
our
flagship.
B
A
B
Third
one
to
join
the
foundation,
and
that
was
the
early
days.
This
was
except
2015,
yeah
end
of
2015,
early
2016.
and
from
there
I
you
know
this
community
seriously
welcomed
me.
Everybody
I
saw
was
so
warm
they
were,
they
just
opened
their
arms
and
at
that
time
I
didn't
know
that
much
about
infrastructure,
but
I
was
hooked
and
I
spent
a
lot
of
time
educating
and
learning
about
observability,
particularly
tracing.
B
I
worked
at
lightstep
at
the
time,
then
I
moved
to
gitlab,
where
I
built
the
developer
evangelism
function
and
also
got
elected
to
serve
on
the
cncf
governing
board.
At
that
time
I
was
then
asked
by
jim
zemlin,
who
advised-
and
I
play
with
my
puppy
ollie,
who
is
a
two
and
a
half
year
old,
catahoula
mix,
who
thinks
he's
a
lap
dog.
A
B
B
B
A
B
A
A
A
B
Well,
so
we
were
formed
back
in
2015
to
because
at
that
time
google
wanted
to
donate
the
kubernetes
project
to
a
foundation
and
cnc
was
formed
to
be
the
home
for
it
very
soon.
It
was
realized
that
kubernetes
is
such
a
game
changer
in
just
how
people
build
and
operationalize
their
software
that
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
other
needs
to
truly
help.
Technology
needs
to
truly
help
modernize
software
and
go
the
container
route,
go
right,
the
kubernetes
route,
and
so
it
started
becoming
home
to
technologies.
B
Yeah
exactly
and
this
one
is
like
close
to
100
num
100
names
long,
and
so
it
became
the
home.
It
started
to
become.
We
started
attracting
those
projects
and
all
of
these
together
became
cloud
native,
it's
cloud
native,
because
kubernetes
particularly
made
it
easier
better
to
utilize
cloud
computing
to
build
with
micro
services,
and
so
all
of
this
was
connected,
and
that
was
the
name
that
was
given
to
decomposable
micro
services
based
container
based
architectures
cloud
native.
So
it
was
very
much
of
a
we
defined
thing.
A
B
B
A
Easier
to
use
so
there's
a
bunch
of
different
groups
in
the
cncf
world
right
we
have
tags,
we
have
sigs,
we
have,
you,
know
subprojects
and
work
groups
and
all
the
other
things
kind
of
like
talk
about
the
high
level
groups
and
what
they
do
at
like
big
picture
wise
at
cncf
right.
I
know
we
have
you
know
security
focus
groups
and
a
number
of
other
areas,
but
like
what
are
those
groups
charged
with
in
sin?
Essentially.
B
B
It
addresses
a
couple
of
things.
It
also
addresses
what
you
were
saying
before
right
like
oh,
this
is
like.
Is
it
a
company?
It's
a
company
open
source
kind
of
thing.
When
you
look
at
the
cncf
structure
at
the
top
level
are
three
equally
valued
bodies
number
one
is
the
cncf
governing
board.
This
is
made
up
of
mainly
all
our
member
companies,
like
you
know,
there's
elections
for
various
levels
and
then
there's
platinum
members
and
then
there's
also
developer
representatives
from
kubernetes
from
other
projects.
B
B
This
is
dated
a
little
bit
and
those
tags
are
you
know
they.
They
look
at
like
specific
areas
of
interest.
So
there's
like
tag
observability,
there's
tax
security,
there
there's
all
kinds
of
different
options
and
the
whole
point
of
those
subgroups
is
that
they've
been
identified
as
important
enough
that
they
will
directly
work
with
the
toc
and
report
to
the
toc
on
a
I
don't
know
if
it's
a
monthly
or
quarterly
basis
on
progress
on
their
various,
let's
say:
observability
on
the
various
technologies
and
the
progress
they're
making.
B
These
are
often
like
areas
of
great
flux
in
our
technology
ecosystem,
and
so
they
need
the
toc
to
be
like
watching
after
them.
So
that's
that
all
sits
here,
there's
also
like
not
as
formal
working
groups,
which
is
it's
quite
it's
much
easier
to
spin
up
a
working
group.
It's
also
like
you
can
have
an
informal
or
versus
formal
there's
all
kinds
of
flavors.
B
So
that's
an
example
of
a
different
kind
of
structure,
so
the
cnn
working
group
doesn't
need
to
update
the
toc
all
the
time,
but
they
can
choose
to
request
time
to
do
an
update.
But
it's
a
gathering
place
and
like
today,
like
we
have
hundreds
of
people
join
those
meetings
and
they're
actively
working
to
come
together
with
what
will
really
work
for
telcos
to
help
them.
A
B
And
then,
finally,
is
the
end
user
community,
which,
as
you
see
here,
is
that
equal
footing
with
the
technical
oversight
committee
and
the
governing
board,
the
tier,
the
euc
or
end
user
community
is
full
of
folks
who
are
end
user
members
of
cncf,
which
means
these
are
real
users
of
our
technologies,
and
they
are.
How
do
I
say
that
yeah
they
do
not
sell
any
cloud
native
products
or
services.
B
So
these
folks,
they
come
together
and
they've
formed
a
sales
which
is
special
interest
groups
and
user
groups
that
focus
on
the
their
real
life
experience
with
cloud
native
chats,
and
this
is
done
in
a
vendor-free
zone.
So
they
can
comfortably
get
like
just
advice
from
each
other.
No
one's
selling
anything
and
these
people,
and
these
end
users.
They
have
a
seat
on
the
toc.
They
have
seats
on
the
governing
board,
they're
sprinkled
throughout
to
make
sure
we're
bill.
A
No,
that's
fine!
I
I
think
it's
it's
perfectly
acceptable
to
show
off
that
list
there
all
right,
I'm
back!
Okay,
so
cool,
so
you
said
like
onboarding
to
the
sandbox
process
is
easy,
and
if
you
want
to
see
the
sandbox,
we
tell
people
to
go.
Look
at
the
cncf
landscape,
which
has
become
enormous
since
I
first
started
looking
at
it
right,
like
I
remember
when
we
used
to
print
them
out
and
hand
them
out
to
people
it's
just
too
like
it's.
A
It's
too
fluid
to
just
do
that
nowadays,
so
you
know
that
onboarding
that
sandbox
process
to
put
a
project
into
this
like
safe
zone,
where
anybody
can
work
on
it
and
like
know
that
it
has
sometimes
either
backing
or
just
it's
yeah.
It's
not
going
to
be
taken
away
from
the
sandbox
right
like
we
know
that
right,
like
once
it's
in
the
cncf
ecosystem,
it
stays
there
and
that
keeps
like
the
creativity
flowing.
I
feel
like.
B
To
be
clear,
there
is
an
archival
process
for
projects,
but
but
I
get
what
you're
saying
it's
not
it's.
There
is
a
stability
to
a
project
that
is
in
the
cncf.
Unless
there's
a
formal
life
archival
process
going
on
which
everybody
would
be
aware
of
things
are
moving.
This
is
a
project
that
is
serious
for
sure.
A
B
Needed,
yes,
absolutely
absolutely
yeah,
I
mean
it's
like
you
know,
it's
true
that
it's
not
like.
It's
not
like
every
day,
there's
a
new
archiving
happening,
but
so
there's
more
influx
than
there
is.
You
know
right,
which
is
fine,
because
we
need
a
lot
of
things
and
that's
just
kind
of
how
it
is,
and
I
mean
not
only
do
we
need
a
lot
of
things.
B
The
reality
is
chris
and
I'm
sure
you
know
this
better
than
anyone
is
that
cloud
native,
especially
because
of
the
through
the
pandemic,
has
become
the
building
block
of
all
innovation.
Today,
it's
in
use
everywhere
there
was
a
keynote
by
peloton
at
the
last
kubecon
called
nativecon
eu,
which
they
talked
about,
how
they
really
scaled
up
all
their
cloud
native
hench
teams
and
like
started,
deploying
with
kubernetes
recently.
B
A
B
Yeah
everyone's
starting
to
depend
on
cloud
native
principles
at
the
very
least
and
that's
making
our
community
really
excited
about
it
and
there's
new
innovation.
Coming
for.
Like
you
know,
there's
k3s
is
a
great
example
of
kubernetes
for
the
edge
right,
and
so
our
scope
is
expanding
as
we're
going
because
of
the
people
who
are
in
this
ecosystem,
and
so
that's
also
why
our
projects
increase.
A
So,
yes,
I
mean
the
the
the
onboarding
process
for
sandbox
projects
and
you
know:
there's
sandbox,
there's
incubating
there's
graduated
there's
a
governance
and
a
flow
into
how
you
move
from
one
to
the
next,
and
you
know:
how
do
you
enter
the
sandbox
in
general
or
incubating?
Sometimes
projects
enter
there
just
based
off
of
you
know
a
number
of
criteria.
I
don't
want
to
dive
too
deep
into
that
in
this
call,
but
you
know
we
mentioned
the
landscape.
B
A
A
B
Yes,
that
that's
actually
a
really
good
point
you
meet
there.
I
think
the
larger
categories
that
we
show
are
very
key
when
you
look
at
such
a
busy
landscape,
so
number
one
remember:
the
landscape
was
created
to
show
that
there
are
various
areas.
As
we
discussed
right
cloud
native
was
beyond
kubernetes.
It
was
about
different
types
of
technologies
we
needed
to
care
about,
and
the
landscape
was
a
very
good
way
of
depicting
that
that
hey
here's
some
players
in
blah
over
time.
B
B
Mean,
like
you
know
on
that
when
it
comes
to
utilizing
the
landscape
and
I'll,
you
know,
since
you've
opened
the
pandora's
box
and
allowed
me
to
share
things,
and
so,
as
we
were
saying
chris
and
I
like
here
folks
who
are
watching
it's
like
you,
see,
database
categories,
streaming
messaging,
app
definition
and
mitchell,
like
all
these
categories.
They're
really
important
to
understand
like
these
are
all
subgroups
that
this
is
is
about,
and
you
have
all
kinds
platforms.
Serverless.
B
B
Know
and
when
you
think
about
it,
an
index
is
something:
that's
referred,
it's
not
something.
That's
read,
you
know
you
read
a
book
and
then
you
refer
to
the
index
materials
as
you
need
to,
and
so
anyone
who's,
starting
out
with
cloud
native.
I
don't
recommend
that
you
go
okay.
Database
click,
click,
just
don't
do
it.
It's
probably
not
a
good
idea.
It's
gonna
overwhelm
you
it's
better.
Rather
once
you
have
a
baseline
of
cloud
native,
then
let's
say
you're
like
oh.
I
need
to
look
for
a
good
service.
B
Probably
then
you
come
here
and
then
you're
like
okay.
These
are
some
options.
I
click
through
and
check
out
the
product.
The
solutions
listed
here
and
solutions
listed
here
are
not
just
cncf
projects,
they're
also
vendor
stuff.
It's
ev
everything's
very
fair
game
over
here,
and
you
know
I
will
tell
you
this.
The
landscape
is
actually
the
top
referrer
for
many
projects
and
on.
B
Technologies,
so
it's
very
useful
to
people,
and
I
think
that
use
case
is
very
much
you
kind
of
know
what
you
want.
You
just
want
to
see.
What
are
the
options
in
that
category
of
technology
or
you're
like
hey?
I
just
want
to
research,
cncf
members,
okay,
I'll
just
do
that
and
like
kind
of
look
through
that
or
I'm
like
really
into
serverless
today,
so
just
get
information
on
that.
So
I
think
the
landscape.
Is
it
unwieldy?
Absolutely,
but
that's
a
good
thing
and
you
can
use
it
to
your
advantage.
A
A
B
A
No,
the
and
it's
amazing,
like
the
the
ambassador
program,
the
job
board,
the
speakers
bureau,
all
the
things
you're
doing
to
help
not
just
technology
is
advanced,
but
people
advance
with
cloud
natives.
It's
great
right
like
it
is
really
refreshing
for
me,
because
I
know
like
the
second
I
got
involved
in
the
community
like
I
knew
this
was
my
place
right
like
this
is
where
I
belong.
A
Yeah
so
there's
just
wonderful
people
throughout
the
community
and
they're
all
moving
towards
the
same
goal.
Right
like
we
always
have.
This
mantra
of
you
know:
project
over
company
over
self
kind
of
thing.
Right,
like
the
idea,
is
to
move
the
cloud
native
ball
forward,
not
to
move
your
ball
forward
or
somebody
else's
ball
forward.
Yeah,
you
know
it's
it's
when
you
sign
that
cla.
There
is
kind
of
an
expectation
that
you're
doing
this
for
the
greater
good
right.
A
B
Like
you
know,
there's
also
like
the
end
user
virtuous
cycle.
Where,
like
right
and
users,
will
you
use
cloud
native
check,
give
feedback
they'll
find
some
specific
area
where
there's
a
gap
and
then
they'll
create
a
technology
and
then
they'll
donate
that
project
and
like
backstage
by
spotify
is
a
great
example.
Yeah.
A
B
B
A
B
They're
super
useful
right:
they
there
are
many
ways:
vendors
companies
work
with
cncf
right.
One
simple
thing:
is
membership
right,
they'll
become
members
and
they'll
do
that
for
a
variety
of
reasons.
If
you
are,
let's
say,
providing
a
certified
if
you're
providing
a
kubernetes
distro
of
samsar,
you
have
to
get
it
certified
and
remember
you
have
to
be
a
member
to
go
through
that
process
and
that
certification
makes
sure
that
the
kubernetes
kubernetes
is
same
everywhere
and
people
can
truly
utilize.
B
So
that's
like
one
very
tactical
reason
in
which
you
know
a
vendor
is
like
making
a
project
easier
to
use
by
providing
a
distro
they're
becoming
a
member
in
or
in
order
to
go
through
that
process
and
because
they
get
a
lot
of
benefits
out
of
it.
There's
we
have
like
a
whole
foray
of
like
benefits
for
members
and
which
I'm
sure,
you're
aware
of
and
then
same
members
often
end
up
contributing
contributors
like
for
they
pay
for
people
to
work
on
these
open
source
projects.
B
So
it's
a
very
multi-pronged
value
prop
that
the
vendors
provide
and,
depending
on
you
know,
many
of
them
serve
on
the
governing
board
as
well.
Now
we
have
over
630
members
at
this
point,
so
obviously
not
everyone's
on
the
board,
but
there's
elections,
and
all
of
that.
So
when
you
think
of
what
does
a
vendor
provide,
they
provide
first
of
all
a
market
for
all
these
cloud
native
technologies.
A
B
A
B
Yeah,
so
there's
the
good
news
is
this:
that
this
community
is
extremely
welcoming
right.
So
you
can
almost
kind
of
just
like
jump
in
and
like
find
someone
to
talk
to
and
ask
them
hey.
Can
I
help
out
with
something,
and
that
will
be
enough
to
get
you
in
yeah
and
that's
really
good,
because
the
flip
side
is
that
we're
pretty
large
ecosystem,
it
can
get
complete
confusing.
B
We
all
just
talked
about
the
landscape,
so
if
I'm
just
kind
of
going
to
close
my
eyes
and
point
to
something
like
probably
not
the
best
strategy,
so
I
would
say
my
answer
to
your
question
would
really
depend
on
who
I'm
talking
to
so
it's
very
persona-based,
but
in
general,
identify
your
interest
or
business
need.
Let's
say
you
are
working
at
company
x,
which
is
an
end
user
company.
A
B
You're
utilizing
three
cncf
projects
see
which
ones
you
are
using
the
most
at
work
and
where,
like
you
know,
maybe
you
identify
issues
etc.
Then
you
can
get
involved
with
that
project.
You
can
easily
contact
them.
The
maintainers
have
like
you
know.
The
names
are
public
and
also
like
the
repos
are
public.
You
can
just.
You
can
just
contribute
an
issue
boom.
That
was
that
that's
your
first
contribution
and
ask
questions
get
involved.
B
Tactically,
you
could
literally
fix
the
typo
when
you're
involved,
but
my
number
one
suggestion
is
find
a
person
who
can
guide
you
a
little
bit,
even
if
it's
like,
hey
here's,
how,
if
even
if
someone's
just
replying
to
your
issue,
you're
starting
a
relationship
with
them
and
it's
good
to
kind
of
talk,
get
involved
with
them,
learn
about.
How
can
I
help
you?
How
can
I,
how
can
I
achieve
my
goal
of
let's
say
making
project
a
much
easier
to
use
at
company
x.
A
B
Just
go
from
there
in
addition
to
these
sort
of
asynchronous
on
your
own
time,
things
there's
also
the
cool
fun
stuff
around
coupon
cod
native
cons,
which
are
as
we,
it
seems
like
very
much
in
the
90
percent,
likely
that
we're
gonna
be
in
person
in
a
hybrid
event,
in
los
angeles,
these
are
like
fun
times
I
mean
chris
knows
you
know.
Yes,.
A
A
B
B
A
A
Yeah-
and
I
know
that's
a
challenge
just
putting
the
events
together
right,
like
we
put
out
on
the
the
get
ups
com
as
a
day,
zero
event
for
keep
going
eu
and
just
getting
that
together
was
you
know,
an
achievement.
Putting
the
whole
show
together
monumental
amount
of
work
right
and,
having
seen
some
of
the
behind
the
scenes
work.
I
really
do
appreciate
everybody
in
cncf
that
works
on
that.
I
really
do.
B
B
It
was
like
there
yeah,
it's
just
it's
just
an
online
thing,
only
kind
of
thing-
and
I
know
so
many,
like
you
know
different
levels
like
a
very
experienced
contributor
meeting,
a
brand
new
consumer,
all
kinds
of
like
students
joining
in,
because
that
was
another
innovation.
We
did
this
time
right,
which
is,
we
really
opened
the
door
for
students,
so
yeah,
actually
people
anyone,
who's,
new
and
learning.
A
A
Like
not
exactly
cncf,
but
it's
very
cncf
right
like
at
the
same
time
right
like
it's
kind
of
the
the
same.
You
know
right
we're
a
big
part
of
it
and
it
matters
right,
like
I
know,
naming
things
are
hard,
but
we
have
to
evolve
from
you
know,
calling
things
master
and
slave
to
something
that
is
more
inclusive
to
others.
B
Absolutely
so
yes,
inclusive
naming
initiative
is
a
project
where
it
is,
is
a
very
it's
very
close
to
my
heart.
It
all
came
about.
As
a
you
know,
2020
was
an
interesting
year.
I
mean
so
many
ways,
but
particularly
because
we
just
the
race
relations
in
the
united
states
were
at
pretty
much
an
all-time
low.
I
would
say-
and
there
was
after
the
mur
in
the
wake
of
the
murder
of
george
fly
floyd
many
of
us
in
the
community
had
this
collective
awakening
reawakening.
I
should
say
where
we
are
like
hey.
B
A
B
Awakening
it
was
more
like.
Why
have
we
not
done
something
about
this
and
to
be
clear,
these
pockets
of
people
were
doing
something
way
before
so
I
don't
mean
to
say
that
we
were
the
worst
people
ever.
However,
I
do
think
the
thing
that
they
was
different
in
2020
was
that
suddenly,
the
critical
mass
of
people
who
wanted
to
make
a
change
and
just
make
it
happen,
became
meaningful.
A
B
And
I
saw
that
because
we
heard
from
projects
all
over
like
richie
hartman
from
prometheus
was
one
of
the
people
who
reached
out
to
me
and
he's
like
we're
doing
this.
We
want
to
do
this
right,
we'd,
love,
support
and
help,
and
then
the
kubernetes
community
had
their
naming
working
group.
That
was
a
lot
of
work
from
stephen
augustus
and
celeste
organ.
A
B
Yeah
they're
also,
like
you,
know,
there's
dependencies
because
words
is
how
we
connect
different
things,
and
you
don't
want
to
break
those.
So
that's
why
an
initiative
was
needed
to
create
best
practices
and
processes
for
the
folks
who
actively
want
to
make
the
change
to
do
it
once
and
do
it
safely
and
securely
and
don't
break
anything.
You
know.
Often
there
has
been
this
argument
of
like
yeah.
This
is
worthy
worthy
to
do,
but,
like
hey,
like
it's
gonna
break
me,
be
a
breaking
change.
We
all
deal
with
breaking
changes
all
the
time.
A
B
B
And
so
the
whole
point
of
ini
is
to
create
the
right
processes,
evangelize
them
and
have
a
commons
gathering
where
anybody
can
come
and
ask
a
question
based
on
the
challenges
they
may
be
going
through.
Trying
to
do
this
change
like
if
they
need
resources,
if
they
just
have
a
question,
and
this
group
in
camp
passes
not
just
cncf
open
source
projects,
but
also
companies
such
as
red
hat,
ibm,
have
played
a
founding
role
and
cisco
has
done
the
same.
There's
there's
a
bunch
of
folks,
then
a
lot
more
are
like
contribute.
B
You
know,
member
members
of
the
wrong
word
like
contributors,
let's
say
contributors,
and
also
we
have
looked
at
standards,
development
bodies.
We
have
lawyers,
we,
those
are
people.
These
are
people
actively
contributing
in
ini,
which
makes
it
we
hope
going
to
be
a
place
which
can
I
don't
want
to
say,
set
a
standard
but
provide
guidelines
that
are,
you
know
more
adopted
by
more
and
more
people
making
it
a
de
facto
standard.
A
Right
and
there
is
a
framework
for
evaluating
harmful
language
on
the
ini
page,
I
drop
the
link
in
chat.
Let
me
drop
a
link
to
the
framework
itself.
I
mean
this
has
actually
helped
me
in
my
day
job.
Like
recently,
so
I
mean
it's,
it's
very,
very
powerful
and
the
fact
that
we've
all
kind
of
collectively
said
we're
doing
this.
We
have
the
capacity
and
the
capabilities
we
we
are
doing
this
right
like
and
making
these
changes
happen.
I
know
it
will
take
time.
B
A
B
B
B
A
B
A
B
Can't
even
imagine
what
the
reaction
is
of
people
who
have
been,
you
know
who
it
directly
targets
in
some
ways,
and
so
I
think
it's
so
important
to
be
positive
and
inclusionary,
and
also
to
that
point
you
made
of
like
having
a
framework,
because
society
evolves
right.
Everything
changes
as
we
go
along
things.
The
words
that
are
totally
normal
now
may
become
weaponized
in
the
future,
and
we
may
want
to
work
through
that
things
that
you
know,
look
like
genderized
things
that
are
frankly,
just
like
ambiguous.
None
of
that's
good.
A
B
B
Oh,
I
froze
that
sounds
like
okay
back
on.
For
me,
you
know.
What's
super
exciting
is
waking
up
every
day,
knowing
him
at
the
helm
of
a
community
that
is
so
it's
buzzing
with
activity,
it's
buzzing
with
innovation,
and
just
knowing
that
cncf
the
staff
they
are.
We
got
to
like
just
keep
up
with
y'all.
B
Evolving
and
like
changing
ourselves
to
be
matching
the
needs
of
our
community,
and
that
gives
me
excitement
why?
Because
that
tells
me
there's
a
lot
more
we're
gonna,
do
there's
so
much
innovation,
that's
coming
from
here
and
that's.
I
don't
see
that
stopping
and
the
this
fact
that
I
just
shared
right
that
it's
become
the
de
facto
basis
of
innovation
in
the
pandemic,
everyone's
using
cloud
native
for
whatever
they're
building
and
whatever
new
they're
creating.
B
B
Well,
if
I
yeah,
those
are
just
things
we
know
now
and
I'm
just
like
super
excited
like
what
are
you
hearing
about
next
year?
How
is
this
going
to
keep
growing,
and
that
really
is
the
meta
thing
that
keeps
me
super
excited
about
this
job,
and
you
know
you
go
through
the
challenges
because
that's
the
guiding
star.
A
It's
really
refreshing
to
see
how
like
innovative
the
community
is
right
like
oh,
we
have
a
problem
or
you
know
some
logistical
problem
and
it's
like
all
right.
Let's
hurt,
you
know
you
just
get
this
group
of
people
to
attack
it
basically
and
exactly
to
to
just
overcome
that
obstacle
right
like
it's.
Just
like.
Oh
there's
a
problem,
oh
I
have
an
idea.
A
I
have
another
idea:
okay,
let's
melt
these
two
together,
see
if
it
works
right
like
and
off
we
go
running,
but
then
we
go
back
and
we
say
this
is
why
we
did
this
and
so
forth.
So
on
so
you
know
we
documented
there's
governance,
there's
all
all
the
things
that
you
would
need
to
maintain
and
sustain
the
ecosystem.
A
It's
a
great
framework,
that's
already
in
place
to
do
that.
Do
like,
and
I
know
this
is
kind
of
similar
in
the
same
vein,
like
you
get
up
every
morning.
You
know
you
brush
your
teeth.
Whatever
you
have,
you
look
at
your
calendar
but
like
what
keeps
you
going
because
this,
like
you,
said,
you're
constantly
evolving,
and
I
know
that
can
be
kind
of
tiring
at
times,
but.
B
B
When
jim
brought
it
to
me
right,
it's
like
I
get
to
spend
my
waking
hours,
my
working
hours
focused
on
making
this
community's
life
better
and
so
and
a
lot
of
like
yeah
there's
things
you
have
to
do
for
that,
like,
as
I
said,
like
the
cncf,
has
to
constantly
be
evolving,
and
that
means
like
our
staff,
has
to
do
all
sorts
of
like
stretch
themselves
or
like
hire
new
people
and
hire
any
people
all
that
kind
of
stuff
and
that
yeah
it.
It
takes
its
toll
on
you
for
sure.
B
I
think
and
then
like
in
the
five
billion
decisions
a
day
kind
of
thing.
So
that's,
but
one
is
just,
as
I
told
you
like,
I
do
better
when
I
am
given
responsibility
and
when
I'm,
when
just
the
expectation
is
there
that
you're
gonna
figure
it
out.
That's
the
best
place
for
me
to
exist
in
so
there
is
a
temperament
match.
I
think
the
other
thing
is
that
I
am
very
blessed
that
I
work
in
a
remote
organization
with
a
remo
all
remote
community.
B
So,
as
I
told
you,
I'm
working
from
hawaii
this
week
and
that's
pretty
awesome-
and
I
just
was-
I
was
able
to
do
the
long
weekend
here
and
then,
like
my
work
week,
is
like
flexibly,
adjusted
and
so
I'm
able
to
like,
like
put
my
like
you
know,
live
a
life.
That's
joyful
because
of
the
way
we
work
as
a
community
together
and
like
I
mean
I'm
talking
to
you
right
now,
I
I
think
you're
central
time.
B
Eastern
sorry,
eastern
time
I
was
just
yesterday
talking
to
somebody
who
was
in
albania.
I
was
like
you
know
it's
like
I'm
talking
to
people
in
san
francisco
and
canada,
whatever
so
we're
so
distributed,
that
that
helps
kind
of
live,
a
life
that
is
joyful
and
yet
purple,
like
you
know,
filled
with
purpose
yeah.
B
A
B
For
california,
like
you
know,
government
guidelines
on
what's
allowed,
that's
also
going
to
be,
like
you
know,
ever
evolving,
we're
kind
of
figuring
it
out,
but
waiting
for
the
government
guidelines.
They
came
out
earlier
than
expected
because
we
were
ready
for
june
14th
to
be
the
date
when
we
hear
from
the
government
of
california
but
like
they
already
announced
like
start
of
the
month.
So
now
we're
getting
the
registration
stuff
ready
and
it
should
be
coming
soon.
So
that's
one
thing.
B
Something
we're
doing
it
during,
which
is
the
first
thing
first
time
something
we're
doing.
Is
we
have
this
diversity
survey,
which
is
a
small
micro
survey?
It's
not
that
many
questions
which
we're
sharing
with
the
community
to
tell
us
how,
like
you
know,
do
you
feel
like
what
do
you
feel
like?
Is
this
inclusive?
A
A
B
B
A
A
B
No,
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
team
cloud
native
for
being
such
an
amazing
community
of
people
who
build
bigger,
better,
more
awesome
every
day.
Thank
you,
chris,
for
being
an
awesome
member
of
the
community.
Thank
you.
This
was
a
really
fun
experience
and
you're.
So
pro
it's
pretty
epic
yeah,
and
so
I
say,
hey
come,
contribute
come
join
in
reach
out.
If
you
have
any
questions,
I'm
always
here.
A
A
You
very
much
priyanka.
It
was
a
joy
talking
to
you
today.
I
really
do
appreciate
you
coming
on
and
we're
gonna
have
devnation
the
show
up.
Next,
I
see
sebastian
in
chat,
saying
hello,
so
sebastian
says
hello
and
we
will
sign
off
and
coming
up
later
after
devnation
the
show
we
have
our
get
ups
guide
to
the
galaxy,
we'll
be
talking
about
another
cncf
landscape
project,
argo
using
our
back
with
it
so
yeah.
Thank
you
again,
priyanka.
Thank
you.