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Description
The pace of change is accelerating, and digital transformation of the enterprise is upon us. But how can organizations keep up with the pace of change and anticipate what's next in building for the cloud? In this episode of In the Clouds, host Stu Miniman is joined by Mithun T. Dhar, VP and GM, Developer Business Unit, and Ignacio Riesgo Pablo, Senior Director of Developer Marketing and Strategy, to discuss the growing need for digital transformation, automation, and hybrid cloud. For many, digital transformation is now a fact of life, not an aspiration. But it's not just the technology that's changing; it's the way they do business. So join us to learn more about what's driving the enterprise's digital transformation and how we can set people up for continuous change.
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A
A
A
A
B
Hi
and
welcome
to
in
the
cloud
I'm
your
host,
stu
miniman,
you
might
notice.
I
am
not
chris
short.
So,
first
of
all,
I
want
to
welcome
the
new
people
watching
and
the
ones
that
have
been
watching
the
program
before
big.
Thank
you
to
chris
short,
who
started
not
only
the
in
the
clouds
program,
but
the
openshift
tv
that
started
about
a
year
and
a
half
ago
when
the
pandemic
happened.
B
Chris
has
moved
on
to
another
job,
actually
got
to
do
a
video
interview
with
him
before
he
left
and
you
can
still
see
chrissy's
in
the
community
still
on
all
the
socials.
But
by
way
of
introduction,
if
you
haven't
seen,
I
was
a
guest
on
in
the
clouds
about
six
months
ago.
I'm
a
director
of
market
insights
with
red
hat
joined
a
little
over
a
year
ago
and
before
that,
I'd
spent
a
decade
as
a
technology
analyst
and
a
host
of
a
video
program
known
as
the
cube.
B
So
I'd
done
thousands
of
interviews
very
familiar
with
red
hat,
actually
back
at
red
hat
summit
2014.
I
got
this
lovely
devnation
hoodie,
so
no
red
hat,
no,
the
cloud
ecosystem,
and
so
you
know
really
excited
to
be
able
to
come
on
as
the
guest
here
for
in
the
clouds.
Just
a
quick
level
set
on
here
that
this
show
has
predominantly
been
talking
to
red
hat
executives
in
the
past.
We
will
be
adjusting
a
little
bit,
so
we
will
still
absolutely
be
talking
to
plenty
of
red
hat
executives.
B
We've
got
a
couple
of
those
lined
up
for
for
hopefully
early
in
q1,
as
well
as
we'll
have
partners,
industry,
thought,
leaders
and
the
like,
but
you
know
in
general
the
building
on
what
we've
done
in
the
past
on
this
show
and
the
others
in
the
red
hat
live
streaming,
which
is
we're
talking
about
community
we're
talking
about
open
source.
We're
talking
about
some
of
the
cool
technologies
in
this
show
being
in
the
clouds,
is
focused
on
all
of
those
activities
in
the
clouds.
So
I'm
really
excited
to
welcome.
B
I
have
two
guests
for
my
first
episode
here
and
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
developers.
So
we
all
know,
I
think
how
important
developers
are.
You
know
I
always
joke.
When
we
talk
about
this
topic
back
into
2008,
you
know
steve
ballmer,
you
know
yelled
it
from
a
keynote
stage.
You
know
developers,
developers
developers
I
mentioned
back
in
2014.
Red
hat
had
had
a
developer,
show
at
red
hat
summit
back
in
2013.
B
B
First,
I
have
methune
dar,
who
joined
red
hat
earlier
this
year,
he's
the
vice
president
and
general
manager
for
that
that
red
hat
developer
business
unit
and
a
new
member
of
his
team,
our
organization,
ignacio
riesgo,
he's
the
senior
director
of
developer
marketing
and
strategy.
So
I
said
just
just
joined
weeks
ago,
so
methuen
ignacio,
thank
you
so
much
for
joining
me.
B
B
B
Actually
it
was
the
first
time
I
got
to
interview
ashesh
madani,
who
is
you
know
one
of
the
senior
executives
here
at
the
company
you
know
ashesh
is
the
one
who
we
all
bubble
up
to
here.
At
red
hat
microsoft,
ignite
just
happened,
their
virtual
event.
Google
had
their
cloud
event,
so
I'd
been
to
all
of
those
both
of
you
have
some
experience
before
you
join
red
hat
working
for
some
of
those
cloud
leaders,
so
methune,
maybe
start
by
way
of
introduction.
B
Tell
us
a
little
bit
about
your
background.
As
I
said
you
know,
I
I
dig
back
a
little
bit.
You
worked
for
microsoft,
part
of
the
azure
and
some
of
their
developer
activities.
You
work
for
some
of
the
sas
providers,
so
give
our
audience
a
little
bit
about
your
background
and
what
brought
you
to
red
hat
absolutely.
A
Stu,
so
I've
now
worked
in
the
industry
for
over
22
years
and
a
big
chunk
of
my
time
was
spent
at
microsoft.
Where
I
spent
a
decade.
I
was
part
of
microsoft,
research,
working
on
speech
technologies,
the
first
half
of
my
tenure
at
microsoft,
the
second
half
of
my
stint.
I
was
in
a
division
called
as
developer
platform
and
evangelism
division
dpe.
In
short,
we
love
acronyms
and
as
part
of
dpe,
I
was
in
the
pacific
northwest
leading
developer
relations
and
focus
focus
my
efforts
there.
A
A
Here
is
a
location
services
company
where,
where
we
built,
you
know,
location
services
and
if
you
have
a
car
guaranteed
the
map.
Within
your
navigation
system
is
probably
powered
by
here
and
from
there
I
joined
red
hat
because
you
know,
as
the
world
is
getting
modernized-
and
this
has
been
true.
You
know,
especially
now,
because
of
the
pandemic,
when
everything
is
getting
modernized
and
enterprises
are
moving
forward
and
realizing
that
a
hybrid
cloud
strategy
and
a
multi-cloud
strategy
at
that
is
at
the
heart
of
the
transformation.
B
C
As
you
say,
I
start
in
start
director,
honestly,
I
my
my
background,
was
a
graphic
designer
and
and
at
that
point
on
time
I
started
working
with
technology,
so
I
joined
apple
at
that
point
on
time
in
in
spain,
in
madrid,
working
with
the
creative
markets
and
and
doing
a
bit
since
has
been
always
a
bit
of
the
same.
That
has
been
okay
between
the
technology
and
communication,
so
I
joined
apple.
C
I
stayed
there
for
11
years
working
and
starting
to
work
with
developers,
teaching
them
how
to
use
the
technologies
at
that
point
in
time
was
completely
new
for
for
a
disruptive
market
like
newspaper
and
creative
production,
then,
after
that
I
joined
nokia,
where
I
moved
to
london
and
nokia.
As
you
know,
probably
nokia
was
the
leader
at
that
point
in
time
of
the.
C
C
Unfortunately,
I
was
not
even
aware
at
that
point
in
time
that
apple
was
going
to
be
the
leader,
because
when
I
was
adapted,
the
iphone
was
not
even
there
so,
but
that
was
fun.
I
mean
we
started
in
london,
then
we
moved
into
silicon
valley
in
order
to
make
that
transition
to
convenience
developers
and
then,
after
that,
microsoft
bought
the
company.
C
So
I
continue
working
with
developers
inside
microsoft
again
about
the
developers,
everything
about
the
developer
ecosystem.
What
you
were
talking
about,
balmer
staying
in
the
stage
developers,
developers
developers
so
has
been
kind
of
a
mantra
forever
and
then,
after
that
about
three
four
years
ago
I
joined
aws
and
at
that
point
was
when
the
kubernetes
was
really
starting.
So
I
joined
the
team
in
order
to
launch
eks
three
years
later.
Here
we
are
with
kubernetes
as
a
standard
and
eks
as
one
of
the
main
products
in
the
market.
B
Yeah,
no,
I
ignacio,
I
love
methuen,
both
you.
You
gave
a
little
bit
of
the
history.
What's
going
on
yeah
ignacio,
some
people
out
there,
you
know,
do
they
remember
apple?
You
know
before
the
iphone,
and
you
know
what
are
the
transformation
that
gets
on
there
most
of
us
in
the
tech
industry.
You
know
we
watch
the
real
transformation.
B
I
mean
microsoft's
been
a
leader
in
the
space
you
know
for
decades,
but
was
a
little
old
in
you
know
not
not
the
buzz
of
of
the
discussion
until
you
know
the
last
few
years,
satya
nadella
really.
You
know
reinvigorated
that
that
company,
despite
a
lot
of
the
underlying
pieces,
you
know
happening
there.
So
you
know,
I
guess,
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
developer
team,
so
you
know
mathune.
You
know
you
run
this
organization,
you
brought
ignacio
on
there.
B
I
want
to
get
a
little
bit
of
kind
of
the
personal
as
well
as
you
know,
your
organization.
So
if
you
tell
us,
you
know,
just
philosophically
you
you
both
have
been
working
with
developers.
What
what's
the
thing
that
you
know
kind
of,
is
you
know,
driving
your
mission
and
how
does
that
intersect
with
you
know,
with
the
the
role
here
at
red
hat.
A
A
Look
I
mean
for
for
the
22
years,
I've
been
I've
either
been
a
developer
marketing
to
developers
or
you
know,
building
stuff
for
developers.
That's
that's
my
entire
career
and
I
think
if
there
was
one
word
I
could
use
that
would
be
empathy.
You
know
if
we've
all
spent
some
time
on
the
coding
land
all
the
way
from
c
plus,
plus
and
using
vi
editors
to
now
using
some
of
the
best
best
tools
in
the
world
for
developers.
A
I
think
we
have
come
a
long
way
so
for
me
making
developers
productive
and
you
know
having
that
empathy,
to
understand
what
developers
need
and
how
we
can
make
them
more
productive
and
effective.
I
think
I
think
that's
what
drives
me
to
to
be
in
this
job
and
every
other
job
that
I've
been
at.
So
let
me
give
a
little
with
that
context.
Let
me
give
a
little
insight
into
the
developer
business
unit
at
red,
hat,
developer
and
tools,
business
unit
at
red
hat.
A
You
know
between
engineering,
the
bu
which
includes
product
management,
product
marketing
or
developer
marketing.
In
this
case,
and
then
all
of
the
finance
people,
all
of
the
other
supporting
functions
like
documentation
advocates
all
of
them.
We
are.
We
are
a
little
over
400
people
with
within
the
developer
and
tools
organization,
and
we
are
primarily
focused
on
developer
productivity
and
developer
engagement.
So
all
the
programs
that
we
drive
all
the
tools
that
we
build
are
aimed
at
getting
developers
excited
about
our
platform.
A
For
instance,
you
know
a
big
chunk
of
us
were
working
over
the
last
quarter
to
get
rel
nine
beta
launched
yesterday.
So
if
you
guys
haven't
seen
head
on
to
developer.reddit.com,
you
know
and
learn
about
the
rel.
Nine
and
you'll
see
a
small
flavor
of
how
we
work
with
the
various
business
units
within
red
hat
and
we
are
a
cross-functional
business
unit.
So
we
we
are.
A
We
have
the
hub
spoke
model
where
we
have
the
hub
and
we
connect
them
to
every
other
spoke
within
red
hat
and
and
it's
I
love
my
job
and
you
know
I'm.
I'm
super
excited
with
over
five
million
developers
between
the
red
hat
developers
and
the
jboss
community.
You
know
we
have.
We
have
a
tremendous
engagement
and
a
lot
of
developer
mindshare
and
we
look
forward
to
continue
working
and
you
know
getting
our
tools
far
and
wide
into
the
hands
of
developers.
B
Yeah,
ignacio
would
love
your
your
take
kind
of
on
the
same
question,
and
I
guess
you
know
looking
back,
you
know
you
worked.
You
know
for
apple
for
microsoft,
for
amazon,
your
initial
impressions,
also
of
red
hat,
which
is
you
know,
a
little
bit
different
from
some
of
the
other
companies,
we're
not
as
big
of
a
name.
We
understand
we,
we
partner
across
those
companies.
B
C
It's
about.
Okay,
it
doesn't
matter
what
you
know
today
that
is
going
to
change
in
the
technology
industry,
so
for
good
or
bad.
If
you,
if
you
like
what
you
are
doing
today
and-
and
you
are
pretty
comfortable
with
the
technology
that
you
are
working
on
today-
be
prepared,
you
need
to
understand,
what's
going
on,
because
it's
going
to
change,
so
be
prepared
for
the
change
and-
and
here
I
know
that
people
don't
like
to
change,
but
change
is
mandatory,
especially
in
our
industry.
So
how
do
you
handle
that
change?
C
I
mean
they
are
super
deep
technical
people
with
a
lot
of
expertise,
so
what
we
try
to
do
also
in
our
team
is
complement
them
work
with
them
much
more
on
the
communication
needs,
so
how
we
are
going
to
talk
about
all
of
those
technologies
that
they
create,
how
we
are
going
to
explain
all
of
that
to
to
developers.
Also
right
now,
we
are
in
a
very
competitive
industry,
where
we
have
a
number
of
players
launching
technologies.
C
So
it's
very
difficult
to
stay
on
up
to
date,
so
we
are
helping
them
in
order
to
understand
what
they
need
to
learn,
help
them
to
learn
it
and
be
prepared
for
what
is
coming
next.
So
that's
why
the
importance
a
bit
of
what
mithun
was
saying
about
the
importance
of
open
source,
the
importance
of
collaboration
and
then
the
innovation
that
is
happening
in
the
industry.
I
mean
that
has
been
always
happening,
so
this
is
not
something
new.
That's
why
I
always
say.
C
B
Yeah,
this
is
some
great
points
there
there
they're.
Absolutely
you
know.
The
only
constant
we
know
in
our
industry
is
the
pace
of
change.
Look
I
I
I
wanted
to
share
just
from
my
personal
standpoint.
You
know
it
was
one
of
the
things
that
drove
me.
You
know
to
to
look
at
and
join
red
hat.
I
worked
in
the
cloud
and
cloud
native
ecosystems.
B
Really,
if
you
look
at
what
red
hat
has
done
for
more
than
two
decades,
it
is
dealing
with
the
chaos
and
that
pace
of
change.
You
know,
methuen
you,
you
talked
about
what's
happening
from
the
linux
standpoint,
you
know,
there's
so
many
thousands
of
lines
of
code
that
get
updated
every
month.
You
know
who
helps
put
that
together
and
make
sure
that
enterprises
can
take
advantage
of
it.
Well,
that's
what
red
hat's
been
doing
for
for
decades.
You
look
at
the
jboss
space.
You
look
at
the
kubernetes
space,
where
I
spend
a
lot
of
time.
B
It's
the
same
kind
of
you
know:
chaos
out
there,
where
so
many
people
are
contributing
and
putting
the
pieces
together
there.
There
are
so
many
options
out
there
that
who
can
help
bring
them
all
together.
Well
that
that's
that's,
really
been
red
hat
strength
in
what
we've
done,
and
personally
I
loved
you
know,
I
think,
ignacio
you
said
it
pulling
together.
You
know
some
of
the
technology
and
the
business
type
of
pieces.
You
know
that.
B
That's
where
I've
loved
being
it's
conversations
like
this,
where
you
want
to
understand
the
strategic
pieces
and
then
there's
a
lot
of
cool,
tooling
and
technology
and
things
underneath
that
we'll
deal
with.
So
I
I
want
to
talk
when
we
talk
about
developers,
one
of
the
the
things
anybody
that
that's
been
in
this
space
is
developers
are
not
a
monolithic
culture.
There
are
so
many
different
types
of
developers,
so
the
person
that
might
care
about
the
real
nine
beta,
you
know
might
not
be
the
same
person.
That's
you
know.
B
Building
the
new
applications
I
saw
red
hat
has
a
lot
of
connections
to
various
developer
groups,
so
method
help
us
understand
a
little
bit.
You
know
what
is
what
does
the
developer
landscape
look
like
there's?
Sometimes
this
term
thrown
out
there
as
like
you
know,
is
there
even
an
enterprise
developer
or
is
the
developer
and
the
enterprise
still
butting
heads
out
there
wha?
What
are
you
seeing?
What
are
the
conversations
your
you
and
your
team
are
having
there
yeah.
A
A
There
is
a
nine-to-five
developer
where
you're
developing
for
your
work,
and
you
may
be
working
on
as
a
constrained
set
of
technologies
and
on
a
platform
that
your
work
has
endorsed
and
your
work
needs
and
then
your
five
to
nine
developer,
where
you're
developing
for
passion,
where
you're
learning
new
things
where
you're
learning
a
new
platform
where
you're
learning
a
new
language,
maybe
or
exploring
but
right.
So
so.
A
For
me,
the
the
the
whole
landscape
between
an
enterprise,
developer
and
sort
of
what
what's
called
a
long
tail
developer,
is
sort
of
a
a
big
blur
and
in
between
you
have
the
in
between
that
spectrum.
You
have
all
various
other
developer
segmentations
that
are
quite
popular
like.
Oh,
this
is
a
startup
developer.
Oh
you
have
you
know
a
developer
working
on.
A
You
know,
particularly
if
you
want
to
die,
set,
go
you
there's
a
cloud
developer,
a
mobile
developer,
a
front-end
developer,
back-end
developer,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
the
core
tenants
of
being
a
developer
is
going
to
be
the
same
and
and
what
drives
them
is
going
to
be
the
same
right.
You
know
what
ignacio
and
I
and
others
on
the
team
drive
to
is
is
just
the
same
like
whether
you're
a
mobile
developer,
whether
you're
a
front-end
developer,
whether
you're
a
cloud
native
developer.
A
You
know
whether
you're
just
just
a
you
know
back
and
goo
or
front-end
gui
developer.
You
know
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we
want
you
to
be
productive
and
you
know
ignacio,
you
and
I
both
worked
at
microsoft.
You
know,
while
the
segmentations
were
there,
and
you
know,
of
course,
there's
different
platforms,
different
products
that
get
offered
to
various
developers
in
that
segmentation.
A
We
all
strive
for
one
thing
right:
keep
it
simple,
keep
make
it
effective
and
make
sure
you
know
the
access
to
your
product
and
technology
is
completely
friction
free,
so
they
can
get
started.
They
can,
you
know,
be
empowered
to
use,
use
your
platform
and
be
successful
and
those
those
three
key
tenants
stu.
I
I
keep
it
close
to
my
heart
and-
and
we
try
to
bring
it
through
across
everything
that
we
do.
B
Yeah,
ignacio,
I
wonder
if
we
can,
we
can
build
on
that.
So
you
know
so
some
of
the
jokes.
You
know
I
look
out
there
is:
how
do
you
market
to
developers?
How
do
you
sell
to
developers?
The
answer?
Is
you
don't
because
they
don't
want
to
be
bothered
by
you?
They
want
easy
access.
What
methoon
said?
Do
you
keep
it
easy
self-service?
B
You
know,
I
I
you
know
I'll
figure,
these
things
out
and
everything,
but
you
know,
of
course,
there's
there's
some
nuance
and
some
room
in
there
for
the
activity
and
and
of
course
there
needs
to
be
some
feedback
loops,
and
you
know
communities
and
open
source
play
into
this,
so
give
us
a
little
bit
as
to
you
know
what
what
you're
seeing
in
that
space.
You
know.
What's
what's
the
latest
as
to
you
know,
how
do
developers
want
to
be
interacted
with.
C
B
C
C
What
are
the
solutions
that
I
am
going
to
find
if
I
use
that
particular
technology
helped
me
to
understand
the
differentiation
between
each
of
those
solutions,
because
the
challenge
that
they
have
is
they
have
so
many
things
that
they
need
to
learn
about?
You
need
to
know
where
they
are
going
to
invest
in
time.
The
first
thing
so
be
super
clear
super
simple
about.
C
Today
we
are
going
to
talk
about
this.
This
is
going
to
solve
this,
and
this
is
why
you
need
to
learn
it
second
thing
is
help
me
to
understand
what
is
the
problem
that
we
are
solving
here?
There
are
a
lot
of
different
problems,
but
you
need
to
tell
them
okay,
this
is
for
artificial
intelligence,
or
this
is
to
change
the
cicd.
Your
your
process
to
publish
code
so
help
them
to
frame
for
what
they
are
going
to
use
that
particular
technology,
and
the
third
thing
that
they
ask.
C
B
All
right
so
ignacio
I've
got
a
follow-up
for
you.
Since
you
came,
you
know
very
recently
from
a
partner
of
red
hat.
You
were
working
with
red
hat.
You've
got
a
bit
of
that
outside
view
as
to
you
know
that
ecosystem
that
community.
So
obviously
you
know
aws
is
you
know
a
a
big
important
player.
You
know
out
in
the
market
place
today.
You
know,
I
remember
going
back
to
you,
know
the
the
earliest
amazon
re
invents.
It
was
very
much
the
hoodie
crowd.
B
You
know,
developers
were
there,
they
were
excited
about
it.
So
what
did?
What
did
you
see
about?
What
red
hat
was
doing,
how
it
was
working
to?
You
know
mature
and
work
with
developers
and
work
with
that
that
cloud
ecosystem
that
you
know
I
know
we're
relatively
early
in
the
deep
partnership
with
amazon
with
the
the
red
hat
openshift
service
on
aws,
but
it
had
been
a
relationship
that
had
been
building
for
a
number
of
years.
C
Well,
I
was
on
the
other
side
of
the
table
when
we
land
together,
rosa
product
red
hat
openshift,
on
awgs
literally,
I
was
doing
my
part
launching
that
product
to
dr
two
developers
at
aws.
That
was
my
my
starting
point
to
contact
with
red
hat
understanding
what
they
were
doing
and,
and
the
biggest
learning
for
me
was
the
incredible
position
that
they
have
in
open
source.
That
is
something
that
you
cannot
compete
with:
okay
and
second,
a
fantastic
position
that
they
have
in
the
private
data,
centers.
C
So
being
true
that,
obviously
at
aws,
we
are
absolutely
focused
on
on
the
cloud,
the
public
cloud,
but
the
red
hat
has
an
incredible
position,
especially
on
customers,
about
the
private
data
centers.
So
what
really
attracts
me
is
that
challenge
is
how
we
are
going
to
move
from
that
private
data
centers
into
the
public
cloud.
C
That
is
the
challenge
that
a
lot
of
customers
have,
if
you
just
to
give
you
one
data
point.
2.6
is
basically
the
number
of
public
clouds
used
today
by
organizations
and
and
today
95
percent
of
customers
have
both
pla
public
and
private
clouds
environment
already
installed.
So
the
challenge
is,
we
are
really
starting
on
that
journey.
We
are
literally
starting
from
the
journey
to
move
all
those
customers
from
today
those
private
data
centers
moving
them
into
the
public
cloud
or
keeping
that
hybrid
cloud
where
you
are
managing
both
private
data
center.
C
But
you
are
also
using
part
of
the
services
in
the
public
cloud
and,
if
you
think
about
the
future,
also,
that
is
going
to
evolve
into
the
edge
that
is,
you
will
have
inside
data
centers.
You
will
have
usage
or
part
of
the
usage
in
public
cloud
and
then
you
will
have
also
services
on
on
distributed
edge.
So
the
combination
and
that
journey
that
again
we
are
literally
starting.
That
journey
is
what
really
attracts
me
about
red
hat.
B
Mithun,
you
know
what
I
I
I
got
to
meet
ignacio
actually
in
person
at
cubecon,
which
is
really
nice
and
a
number
of
your
team
members
were
there
the
ecosystem,
the
open
source
communities.
I
I
mean
at
kubecon.
I
know
there
are
at
least
dozens
of
projects
that
that
we
were
personally
involved
in
in
helping
to
drive
as
a
company.
I
mean
it's
hundreds.
If
not
thousands,
of
projects
we've
got.
B
You
know
dozens
of
key
partners,
hundreds
of
other
partners,
we've
got
a
cloud
marketplace
with
over
150
integrations
just
on
openshift,
and
you
know
rel
has
even
more
so
you
know
you've
got
a
team
of
400,
but
that's
that's
a
good
size
team,
but
it's
not
an
infinite
team.
So
how
do
you
look
at
that
that
ecosystem,
the
open
source?
What's
the
role
that
red
hat
plays?
What?
What
are
the
the
levers
that
we're
moving
to
help
drive
solutions
forward
for
our
customers?.
A
B
A
Know
every
every
project
that
we
are
working
on.
You
know
we
leverage
the
power
of
the
open
source
right.
Open
source
is
the
way
of
development
for
us
at
red
hat,
and
we
we
work
with
the
community.
We
get
the
community
insights,
we
make
sure
that
community
has
a
say
in
this,
and
and
that's
that's
what
that's
a
big
differentiator
for
us.
A
You
know
take
take
our
you
know:
open
shift,
gitops
story
that
that
we
have
right,
the
the
cicd
part,
it's
built
on
argo
and
techtone,
and
that's
that's
just
an
example
of
how
the
upstream
projects
we
are
working
with
the
upstream
projects,
making
sure
that
the
upstream
projects
are
better.
Then
we
take
it.
We
put
our
signature
wrapper
around
it.
A
We
offer
support
and
then
we
introduce
it
to
the
enterprises
and
to
the
developers,
and
in
this
there
is
a
there
is
a
really
perfect
harmony
between
working
with
openstream
working
with
the
enterprises
staying
in
the
middle
making.
Sure
that
you
know,
there's
the
the
the
transaction
goes
between
both
both
entities
in
a
seamless
way
and
every
single
projects
too,
including
rel
that
we
were
talking
about.
A
We
are
working
with
open
source
and
that's
the
power
of
collaboration
and
that's
the
power
of
bringing
the
community
into
your
core
development
model
and
engaging
and-
and
you
know,
for
for
the
longest
time
we
have
been
the
leaders
at
that
right
and
now,
every
other
company
is
realizing
that
oh,
this
is
such
a
good
model.
You
know,
be
it
confluently
data
breaks
or
any
other
company
right
now,
including
microsoft.
A
For
a
certain
extent,
you
know
they're
realizing
that
this
is
a
winning
model,
and
this
is
how
we
get
everyone
to
participate
and
you
know
build
the
ecosystem,
make
the
ecosystem
overall
stronger.
You
know,
that's
that's
what
entices
me
and
you
know
that's
what
makes
our
offerings
so
much
more
stronger
and
makes
it
more
aligned
with
what
our
customers
want
and
what
we
give
ignacio.
You
mentioned
a
very
good
point
about.
A
You
know
how
the
whole
enterprise
world
is
being
modernized
and
as
part
of
that
modernization,
people
are
realizing
that
oh
there's,
no
one
single
entity
that
works
best
for
everything
that
we
need
to
do.
2.6
clouds.
You
know,
that's,
that's
the
that's
a
great
that's
a
great
data
data
point.
I
think
I
think
idc
got
that
from
from
that
2.6
data
clouds
that
we,
what
are
we
doing
to
make
sure
that
the
developers
get
the
best
multi-cloud
development
experience?
A
Oh
you
also
mentioned
on-prem
and
off-prem.
What
are
we
doing
and
how
can
we
improve
the
developer
experience
for
a
hybrid
cloud
environment?
So
this
is
you
know
this.
This
is
the
core
at
what
we
are
working
on
from
a
developer
point
of
view
from
a
developer
tools.
Point
of
view
to
make
this
better.
B
Yeah
a
lot
to
unpack
there
methune.
I
wish
we
had
a
couple
of
hours
to
dig
into
it,
but
you
know
one
of
the
key
things
you
you
talked
about.
There
is
there's
this
balancing
that
companies
need
to
do
everything's
changing
yet
one
of
the
hardest
things
with
any
change.
Is
you
talk,
2.6
clouds,
it's
the
skill
set.
How
do
I
get
the
people
and
how
do
I
ramp
up
on
a
cloud?
B
There
are
certain
base
things
that
are
similar
between
the
clouds,
but
if
I
want
to
really
take
advantage
of
the
innovation
of
the
cloud
and
the
ecosystem
built
around
them,
there's
a
lot
of
work.
You
know,
so
you
know
I
I
guess.
Even
you
know
methuen.
You
know
when
I
look
from
a
red
hat
standpoint:
it's
not
just
you
know.
Oh
well,
rel
works
everywhere,
and
so
therefore
we
can
be
in
all
the
clouds.
There's
deep
engineering
works.
B
Ignacio
talked
about
some
of
the
activity
going
on
with
amazon
we've
been
working
with
azure
for
years
we
work
across.
You
know,
alibaba
and
lots
of
other
clouds
there's
base
things
that
make
it.
You
know
kind
of
minimal
viable,
but
then
there's
there's
real
engineering
work
that
happens
as
as
companies
look
out
there.
You
know
developers
tend
to
build,
you
know,
here's
my
developer
tool
chain
and
when
I
have
a
tool
you
know
they
want
to
clamp
onto
it
and
say
you
know
this.
You
know
I
love
this
and
it's
funny.
B
I
remember
a
few
years
back.
You
know
interviewing
a
guy
and
he's
like.
Oh
you
know,
I've
got
my
you
know.
It
happened
to
be
he's
like
terraform
is
like
my
life.
It's
like
my
number
one
thing.
I
can't
go
anywhere
without
it.
I've
used
it
forever
and
I
was
like
cool.
How
long
have
you
been
doing
that
and
he
was
like
it's
been
18
months
and
I've
used
it
and
it
was
like.
Oh
my
god,
you
know
those
of
us.
B
It's
like
okay,
you
know,
I
remember
when
excel
came
out
and
you
know
you
learned
and
got
trained
on
that
because
the
previous
spreadsheets,
so
that
balance
of
I
want
consistency,
but
I
need
to
take
advantage
of
new
environments.
That's
one
of
the
things
that
you
know
from
a
red
hat
standpoint:
we
try
to
give
you
that
we
are
platforms,
but
you
know
how:
how
did
the
method?
What
are
you
seeing
in
the
customer
things?
What
are
we
doing
to
help
that
environment
to
keep
up?
You
know
a
line.
B
I've
used
is
you
know
our
customers
today
on
their
applications
on
their
infrastructure
and
on
their
tooling
they're
hybrid,
and
when
I
look
forward
three
to
five
years,
they're
going
to
be
even
more
hybrid,
so
you
know
what
what
what
what
are
you
seeing
and
how
are
we
helping
to
you
know
address
that
and
work
and
partner
with
our
customers
on
it.
Yeah.
A
There
are,
there
are
two
dimensions
to
this
to
this
question
right.
One.
The
first
dimension
is
meeting
where
the
developers
are
at
the
tool
chain.
Look
we
we
don't
say
like.
We
just
offer
eclipse
and
che
and
come
work
with
us
and
that's
that's
it
right.
We
one
of
our
most
popular
plugins
is
vs
code.
You
know
we
have
tens
of
millions
of
downloads
on
the
vs
code,
plugin
for
openshift
that
we
have
developed
and
we
it's
very
very
popular.
A
We
also
have
our
own
code
ready
suite
of
tools
that
we
offer,
which
is
also
very
popular
and
used
by
a
different
set
of
customers.
But
the
point
is,
you
know:
let's
meet
the
developers
where
they
are,
you
know
and
like
you
mentioned
stuff,
some
of
these
things
are
religion
to
developers.
They
are
very,
they
adhere
to
one
one
set
and
then,
unless
you
showcase
and
tell
them
hey,
there's
a
better
way,
there's
an
easier
way.
A
There's
a
faster
way
to
do
this
and
when
you
can
show
them,
you
know
you
can
you
can
win
the
developers
over,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
it
is
about
making
the
developer
productive
again.
This
is
why
it
comes
the
empathy
piece
comes
up,
and
you
know
you
need
to
ensure
that
the
developers
stay
productive
and
stay
effective
in
doing
that
job.
The
second
part
of
this
answer
is,
you
know
the
programs
right
as
as
we
are
launching
as
technology
is
evolving
so
rapidly
in
the
developer
space.
A
We
need
to
make
sure
that
the
developer
education
so
to
speak.
You
know
the
awareness
of
it
becomes
super
simple
right.
How
so
this
is
where
our
advocates
play
a
fantastic
role.
This
is
where
a
big
part
of
our
team-
that's
led
by
ignacio,
plays
a
fantastic
role
in
getting
getting
information
about
blogs
through
blogs,
getting
information
through
hands-on
tutorials
having
instructor-led
labs.
You
know
we
have.
A
We
have
so
many
writers
and-
and
you
know,
over
six
to
eight
million
developers
come
to
the
developer
website
every
single
year.
How
do
we
keep
them
productive?
How
do
we
again,
you
know,
make
sure
that
the
content
that
we
are
developing
is
targeted
at
those
developers.
You
know
and
make
it
so
simple
that
they
can
understand
and
get
started,
and
the
programs
that
we
build
around
that
to
get
the
developers
educated
on
all
the
latest
offerings
that
we
have
and
others
in
the
industry.
A
C
Okay,
so
you
have
basically
three
type
of
big
packets
when,
when
you
talk
to
developers
that
is,
there
are
some
developers
that
work
in
hybrid
cloud
infrastructure,
so
they
need
to
build
their
foundation
for
the
future.
They
know
that
they
need
to
move
part
of
the
processes
into
the
cloud,
but
they
don't
still
are
sure
about
what
they
need
to
move
into
the
cloud
why
they
need
to
move
into
the
cloud,
the
advantages
etc.
C
So
so
you
need
to
explain
them
why
it's
important
for
them
to
keep
what
they
are
doing,
but
also
starting
to
think
about
what
they
can
do.
On
top
of
that
on
on
the
cloud,
then
they
have.
You
have
the
second
type
of
developers
that
are
those
developers
that
are
because
they
are
new.
They
don't
have
any
on-premise,
they
are
cloud-native
development,
so
for
them
you
just
need
to
explain
how
to
accelerate
how
to
do
application
development
in
cloud
only
environment,
how
to
do
innovation,
how
to
do
delivery.
C
B
C
Number
of
developers
that
normally
they
are
in
the
devs,
the
devops
area,
that
they
need
to
manage
automation,
they
need
to
manage,
they
need
to
make
repetitive
process
and
they
need
to
manage
how
the
other
two
departments
are
are
managing.
They
need
to
ensure
stability.
They
need
to
ensure
security,
they
they
have
other
other
needs,
so
you
need
to
create,
and
here
the
good
part
is
at
redhat.
We
have
a
very
good
portfolio
to
address
those
kind
of
three
big
buckets
of
problems.
C
We
start
with
the
with
the
on-premise
environment,
with
red
hat
enterprise
linux,
and
then
you
have
a
whole
portfolio
of
different
products,
and
probably
this
is
one
of
the
biggest
challenges
that
we
have
any
any
technology
company
you
you
launch
products
and
more
products
and
more
products.
You
launch,
and
I
always
make
the
comparison.
If
you
let
me
to
make
a
bit
of
more
of
a
personal
comparison,
I
always
say
about
that.
C
C
What
is
the
business
problem
that
that
this
baby
is
going
to
solve
and
how
that
baby
connect
with
other
babies,
the
rest
of
the
babies
that
we
have
also
in
the
company,
because,
if
not
yes,
your
baby
is
absolutely
great,
but
nobody
will
understand
how
that
baby
fits
in
the
rest
of
the
family
so
creating
that
environment
or
how
that
new
baby
had
that
new
feature.
How
the
new
capability
is
fitting
in
the
overall
portfolio
is
absolutely
critical
of,
if
not
developers,
they
just
cannot
follow
you,
so
so
that's
that's.
C
Our
key
job
here
at
red
hat
in
charge
of
the
developer
program
is,
is
to
ensure
that
whatever
we
launch,
we
explain
clearly
how
why
we
are
launching
it.
How
that
that
launch
is
fitting
in
the
rest
of
the
portfolio
and
what
is
the
problem
that
developers?
Why?
The
developers
need
to
learn
about
that
technology
and
what
is
the
problem
that
they
are
going
to
solve?.
B
B
You
know
the
balance
out.
There
is
to
you
know.
Oh
my
gosh,
you
know
I.
I
start
going
down
a
path
and
oh
wait.
There's
some
new
thing
that
might
be
better.
You
need
to
be
able
to
continue
down
your
path
and
hopefully
you
can
extend
and
expand
to
some
of
the
new
technologies.
You
know
heck.
Even
you
know,
watching
today,
we've
got
so
much
going
on
in
our
ecosystem.
You
know
the
latest.
You
know
serverless
technology
just
hit
like
1.0
for
for
for
openshift
built
off
of
k
native.
B
So
it's
like
you
know
great
to
hear
you
know
the
maturation
and
always
new
things
and
it's
the
extensible.
You
know
apis
and
everything
that
we
do
so
that,
hopefully
you
know
the
path
that
you
go
down.
You
know,
ignacio,
your,
your
friends
at
amazon
say:
there's
the
the
one-way
and
two-way
doors
that
you
choose
from
an
architectural
standpoint.
Most
of
these
environments.
We
don't
want
to
send
you
down
a
path
where
you
can't
add
and
extend
the
new
pieces
on
all
right.
So
we've
had
a
great
conversation
here.
B
I
I
guess
what
I
want
to
do
to
kind
of
wrap
up.
Is
I
heard
a
little
bit
about
some
of
your
personal
philosophies
why
you
came
to
red
hat.
You
know
when
people
you
know
come
here
and
whether
they're
you
know
looking
to
you
know,
potentially
we
have
a
job
opening.
You
know
on
jobs.redhat.com,
we
have
lots
of
positions,
you
know
all
three
of
us
often
have
you
know,
positions
we're
hiring
for
or
we're
partnering.
You
know
what
are
the
things
you're
looking
at.
B
A
You
know
for
me
honestly,
the
best
part
it's
10
months
now,
since
I
joined
red
hat
more
or
less
the
same
for
years.
You
know
one
of
the
things
I've
I
appreciate
so
much
at
red
hat
is
the
culture
that
we
have
right.
It's
the
culture
of
belonging.
It's
the
culture
of
collaborating
is
the
culture
of
openness
that
drives
everything
that
we
do
at
red
hat
and
it's
it's
been
really
fantastic.
A
You
know
for
me
when
I'm
looking
to
hire
people,
you
bring
the
right
people
in,
and
you
know
the
the
right
people
will
help
you
take
you
to
the
next
level
and
the
right
people
is
how
you
can
gel
well
whether
they
have
the
right
skills,
whether
they
have
the
right
attitude
and
whether
they
have
the
right
temperament
to
work
with
work
with
you.
You
know.
A
So
it's
part
skills,
part
attitude,
part
temperament,
that's
how
I
look
for
when
I'm
hiring
yeah
and
and
yes,
we
have
a
lot
of
openings
within
the
developer.
Bu
stu,
I
know
you're
hiring
as
well,
so
you
have,
I
think,
two
or
three
positions
open
on
the
marketing
side
and
and
yeah
we
are
looking
for.
You
know:
product
managers,
we
are
in
the
developer.
We
are
looking
for
product
managers,
we
are
looking
for
marketing.
Folks,
we
are
looking
for
documentation.
A
You
know
there
are
56
marketing
roles
that
are
open
as
we
are
transforming
our
entire
suite.
So
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
good
things
happening
so
head
out
to
jobs.redhat.com
and
see
you
know
what
what
roles
we
have
open
and
and
if
there's
a
connection
that
any
three
of
us
can
make,
I'm
talking
on
behalf
of
all
of
you
we'll
be
happy
to
connect
and
help
you
guys.
C
Yeah
a
bit
of
the
same
for
me,
what
that
really
attract
is
the
culture.
It's
a
very
special
culture
when
you
join
the
company,
and-
and
probably
I
don't
know
if
you
have
already
talked
in
previous
about
the
memo
list,
the
memo
list
is
is
I
think
that
this
is
a
perfect
example
of
that
open
culture.
That
is,
I
have
never
never
ever
been
in
a
company
where
only
the
ceo
was
the
one
sending
emails
to
the
whole
company.
C
Here
anyone
can
send
an
email
to
the
whole
company
and
I
was
like
wow.
You
can
basically
say
whatever
you
want,
that's
good
and
that's
bad.
I
mean
it's
good
because
you
hear
a
lot
of
opinions
and
I
haven't
been
in
a
culture
with
more
openness
than
that.
Never
ever
I
mean
the
the.
The
thing
is
that
you
need
to
manage
that
flow
of
thousands
of
opinions,
but
I
think
that
that
is
deeply
embedded
with
the
open
source
culture.
C
That
is,
you
have
a
community
where
everyone
is
equal
and
and
the
the
company
is
very
much
like
that.
You
have
a
community.
It's
true
that
there
are
a
lot
of
roles
and
there
are
a
lot
of
of
layers,
but
everyone
is
equally
important
and
they
played
a
part
in
in
the
company.
So
I
think
that
a
lot
of
those
values
of
open
source
translated
into
our
company
is
what
probably
is
absolutely
unique
about
red
hat.
B
Yeah,
ignacio,
just
to
echo
what
you
were
saying,
the
comment
that
I
made
having
you
know:
I've
worked
with
red
hat
a
long
time.
I've
worked
with
the
cloud
group
for
about
eight
years,
but
I
I
first
interacted.
I
was
the
product
manager
for
linux
at
a
storage
company
two
decades
ago,
back
around
the
time
that
red
hat
was
creating
rel
and
what
I'd
say
is
on
the
inside
red
hat
is
even
more
red
hat
on
the
inside
than
what
you
see
on
the
outside.
B
If
you
know
you
mentioned
the
memo
list,
I'll
mention
for
our
audience
out
there.
If
you
go
watch,
there's
a
ted
talk
that
our
former
ceo,
jim
whitehurst
did
talking
about
how
a
junior
engineer
like
speaks
up,
and
he
was
like-
oh
my
god,
we're
gonna
fire
that
guy,
because
he
like
disagreed
with
our
whole
strategic
direction,
and
it
was
like
no
everybody's.
Like
hey.
Thank
you.
B
We
didn't
necessarily
change
our
direction
based
on
it,
but
you
are
encouraged
and
it's
part
of
our
job
to
speak
up
and,
let's
make
sure
we
get
everybody's
opinion.
So
I've
seen
even
when
we
have
interns
come
in.
We
want
them
fully
participating,
not
just
doing
grunt
work
and
we've
hired
people
through
that
process,
because
we
know
especially,
you
know
the
space
where
you
live
developers.
B
You
know
the
new
people
with
less
experience,
often
don't
have
preconceptions
that
those
of
us,
with
a
little
more
experience,
has
so
balancing
that
that
knowledge
that
experience
the
new
all
comes
in
and
that's
you
know,
kind
of
a
unique
culture
that
that
we
have
here
at
red
hat.
So
I
want
to
thank
you
both
ignacio
and
methune.
Thank
you
so
much
for
joining
us.
Definitely,
as
mithun
said,
please
reach
out
to
any
of
us
we're
easy
to
find
out
there.
I'm
I'm
so
easy.
B
If
you
hit
me
up
on
twitter,
I'm
just
at
stu,
I'm
on
linkedin
I'll,
even
share
here.
My
email,
if
you
just
stuartredhat.com,
is
really
easy
to
get
in
touch
with
me.
We've
got
lots
of
great
episodes.
I've
got
two
more
episodes
here
before
the
end
of
the
year
in
2021
and
am
looking
out
at
the
editorial
agenda
for
2022.
B
Our
teams
will
be
at
you
know
many
of
the
events
virtually
and
starting
to
come
back
in
person.
So
please
reach
out.
Let
us
know
what
you'd
like
to
see
on
the
program.
Any
feedback
you
have
for
any
of
us,
you
know,
share
the
job
postings
that
are
out
there
and
until
next
time
I'm
stu
miniman,
and
I
want
to
thank
you
for
joining
us
in
the
clouds.