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From YouTube: KBE Insider Detroit - Savitha Raghunathan, Red Hat
Description
Catch another episode of KBE Insider with Savitha Raghunathan, Senior Software Engineer at Red Hat and Community Manager and Maintainer for the Konveyor open source project. Savitha updates us on the Konveyor and what it means to be an official CNCF Sandbox Project. Tune in and learn more about the Konveyor project and how you can contribute.
KBE Insider is hosted by Langdon White, Clinical Assistant Professor of Computing and Data Sciences at Boston University. KBE Insider is presented to you by Kube by Example (KBE) and lets you reach people deeply involved with the Kubernetes community and engage with Kubernetes contributors from across the globe.
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A
Really
great
to
have
you
in
our
in
our
fun
car
interviews,
while
we
negotiate
to
make
sure
we
don't
try
to
go
to
Canada,
which
is
always
kind
of
an
exciting
little
moment
here,
because
if
you
get
trapped
in
the
wrong
lane
and
all
of
a
sudden
you're
at
Customs,
so
that's
not
something
we
want
to
have
because
I
don't
know!
If
you
have
your
passport
I,
don't
have
my
passport
on
me.
A
B
So,
first
of
all,
thanks
for
having
me
here
in
this
interview,
it's
been
absolute
pressure,
pleasure
and
I
really
enjoy
this.
We
off
late
I've,
been
working
on
a
project
called
conveyor.
I'm
really
really
excited
about
it.
It's
about
application,
modernization.
Every
company
goes
through
this
like
right
now,
they're
all
heavily
investing
in
hybrid
cloud
and
cloud
and
containerization.
They
have
this
giant
working,
apps
and
they're
still
working,
and
if
they're
talking
no
one
wants
to
touch
it.
B
A
A
A
B
A
B
A
Right
so,
okay,
so
here's
the
question
I
have
to
ask
here
so
I've
built
a
number
of
communities.
You
know
kind
of
over
my
career.
What
do
you?
What
have
you
found
to
be
like
the
most
surprising
thing
that
you
learned
while
trying
to
build
this
community
that
you
just
it
never
would
have
crossed
your
mind?
Do.
B
A
B
Kind
of
like
stumps
me
on
top
of
the
human
factor
like
these
days,
the
attention
span
of
everyone's
like
super
limited
and
be
it
part
of
the
community
or
anything,
keep
them
interested.
It's
really
it's
really
hard
to
like
keep
someone
interested.
So
you
have
to
do
really
really
good
work
so,
like
I'm,
trying
to
balance
like
not
to
introduce
so
many
stuff,
but
also
like
give
them
a
safe
space.
I
want
to
create
a
safe
space
for
everyone.
B
That
is
the
part
that
I
find
the
hardest,
because
I
can
do
all
the
work
that
needs
to
be
done,
but
still
there
are
like
X
number
of
things.
That's
like
out
of
my
hands,
so
I
should
know
how
to
react
in
that
moment
and
how
to
handle
a
particular
given
situation.
So
right,
all
those
things,
I'm
still
figuring
out,
I'm,
not
an
expert,
and
it's
good
to
know
that
you
have
done
a
lot
of
these.
So
I
can,
like
you
know,
text
away,
yeah.
A
A
It's
where
the
break
Falls,
because
Thanksgiving
is
so
late,
relatively
speaking
in
spring
break,
is
kind
of
early
right,
and
so
it
throws
off
the
the
Cadence
or,
like
the
you
know,
speed
or
whatever
of
the
entire
semester
changes
it
and
that's
been
the
hardest
thing.
One
of
the
weirdest
things
for
me
to
wrap
my
head
around,
because
I
never
would
have
guessed
that
that
was
such
a
pronounced
effect.
You
know,
so
that's
why
I
was
curious.
So
what
is
so?
A
B
B
So,
like
you
can
supply
a
binary
or
like
an
old
Java
code,
and
then
it
will
do
a
deep
analysis
based
on
some
of
the
rule
sets
and
then
it'll
spit
out,
telling
like
oh
to
modernize,
is
in
like
3D
platform
it
from
the
current
VM
to
a
kubernetes
cluster.
These
are
the
things
that
you
need
to
change,
and
these
are
the
things
that
are
risky,
and
these
are
the
things
like
it.
B
The
amount
of
time
it'll
take
to
do
it,
and
these
are
the
places
where
you
have
to
like
do
like,
for
example,
you
cannot
hard
code,
the
secret
anymore,
you
have
to
like
inject
from
outside,
so
if
it
finds
a
secret
and
I
like
highlight
it
and
then
it'll
say
like
oh,
your
Imports
are
outdated,
so
you
have
to
like
do
this.
You
have
to
upgrade
the
language
like
all
the
little
things
that
you
would
miss
in
general.
B
So
that's
what
the
current
capability
is.
The
things
that
people
are
working
on
in
this
project
is
adding
multiple
languages
to
it
in
an
extensible
way,
so
anyone
could
come
and
plug
in
stuff.
So
today
we
had
this
career
workshop
and
then
we
met
a
couple
of
folks
who
attended
it
and
they
were
saying
like
they
did
not
have
like
one
of
them
mentioned
that
they
did
not
have
such
a
questionnaire,
which
could
just
give
them
an
all
360
degree
view
of
like
how
they
can
they
didn't
know.
B
Have
been
nice
that
if
they
had
the
opportunity
to
see
all
these
things
beforehand,
and
so
many
it
was
like
nice
to
have
such
conversations,
seeing
that
bringing
so
many
folks
together
and
I
think
that
is
possible
because
it
is
cncf
project.
So
it
kind
of
even
though
like
it
was
conveyor
was
always
conveyor,
has
always
been
an
open
source
project.
B
B
A
Yeah
I
would
imagine,
I
mean
it
also
kind
of
I
feel
like
it
would
also
give
it
a
certain
amount
of
almost
like
ratification
right.
Like
you
know,
it's
a
pretty
good
chance.
This
project
is
going
to
stick
around
so
like
investing
in
learning
how
to
use
the
tool
and
stuff
like
that.
Isn't
I
mean
one
of
the
hardest
problems
you
have
in
the
open
source
world
right
is
that
anybody
can
build
anything
they
want,
and
then
they
can
stop
working
on
it.
Also
anytime
they
want,
and
so
I
think.
A
A
A
A
B
You
don't
want
to
build
your
infrastructure
around
it
and
it's
like
setting
it
up
for
failure,
because,
like
your
entire
thing
is
just
like
built
around
one
little
thing
which
is
not
meeting
anymore.
So
that's
a
big
No-No
for
me
and
like
to
put
something
in
prediction:
I
always
make
sure
that
it's
not
maintained
by
a
single
maintainer,
because
things
happen.
Life
happens,
I'm,
not
like
saying
that
they
should
be
responsible
for
doing
it.
Anyone
who's
like
a
single
project
maintainer
should
be
like
doing
it.
Lifelong
it's
not
feasible.
A
Right,
yeah,
no
I,
completely
agree.
I
think
you
know
I
much
prefer.
Excuse
me.
Sorry,
we
just
started
so
I
used
to
do
some
theater
work
in
college,
and
you
know
one
of
the
things
that
you
had
to
create
was
like
the
stage
manager's
book
right
and
it
was
the
Run
book
for
the
show
and
it
had
every
single
little
detail
in
it
and
in
those
days
we
used
to
call
it
the
hit
by
the
bus
Factor.
A
You
know
where
you
know,
but
these
days
we've
been
trying
to
get
to
take
off
right
something
more
like
the
win.
The
lottery
Factor
right.
So
you
know
a
positive
experience
instead
of
a
negative
one,
but
you
know
sometimes,
as
you
said,
life
happens
right
and
people
want
to
go
in
a
different
direction.
A
B
A
Yeah
it's
one
of
the
things
so
I
have
anecdotal
evidence
of
this
as
well,
but
there's
actually
been
some
research
done
about
like
the
new
students
like
freshmen
coming
in.
As
you
know,
this
year
are
kind
of
very
very
high
strung,
like
you
know,
very
kind
of
their
Baseline
stress
level
is
already
very
high
and
so
they're
having
a
lot
of
trouble
with
college,
because
yeah
and
and
there's
no
real
nobody's,
really
sure
why?
A
Yet
you
know,
but
it's
probably
pandemic
related
right,
but
yeah
like
it's,
people
are
not
back
yet.
You
know
like
there's
some
of
it
and
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
particularly
politicians
who
want
us
to
be
back,
but
it's
just
not
really
true.
Yet
you
know
and
I
think
you
see
that
in
the
open
source,
Community
just
bunches
anywhere
else.
B
A
Yeah,
it's
a
little
bit
of
an
adjustment.
Well,
I
mean
I.
Think
that's
why
you
know
you
mentioned
kind
of
a
safe
space.
You
know
it's
like
that's.
Why
I
think
one
of
the
things
I
also
like
about
open
source.
You
know
particularly
ones
that
have
strong
communities.
Is
it's
a
lot
easier
to
kind
of
re?
You
know
re-enter
Society.
A
You
know
if
it's
with
a
community
of
people
that
even
if
you
don't
know
them
particularly
well,
you
you
at
least
share
a
lot
of
like
something
with
right.
You
know,
and
you
know,
in
the
case
of
conveyor
right,
it's
you
know.
We.
We
all
work
on
this
kind
of
problem
right.
You
know,
but
it
doesn't
matter
what
it
is,
but
it
gives
you
that
that
community
and
it
it's
almost
like
safer
to
kind
of
re-engage
again
and
you
know
kind
of
ease
into
it
rather
than
you
know.
A
B
A
Right
right,
ostracized,
yeah,
yeah
I,
will
say:
Boston
is
nice
in
that
regard
like,
as
in
there's,
not
a
lot
of
that
sense
of
you
know
you're
giving
in
by
wearing
a
mask.
You
know,
so
it's
pretty
tolerant,
but
on
the
flip
side,
there's
not
a
lot
of
people
wearing
masks.
You
know
even
on
like
public
transit
with
like
enclosed
spaces
and
stuff.
So
it's
a
little.
You
know
it's
a
little
crazy
but
yeah.
A
You
know
you
do
what
you
got
to
do,
I
guess
so,
let's
see
what
else
can
we
talk
about
there?
Oh
so
I
wanted
to
I
noticed
you
looking
out
the
windows.
I
mean,
isn't
the
view
out
here.
This
is
Bell
Island,
it's
called
or
Bell
Isle
and
it's
we're
still
in
the
U.S.
Even
though
the
river
right
is
basically
the
demarcation
line
between
the
US
and
Canada
and
I.
Don't
know,
I
just
thought
this
little
drive
around
was
really
pretty
it's.
A
Exactly
exactly
we
aren't,
we
aren't
completely
done
yet.
There
are
still
opportunities
for
us
to
get
trapped
and
go
to
Canada,
so
we'll
just
have
to
keep
our
eyes
open,
but
yeah.
So
you've
been
a
lot
more
involved
in
at
least
The
Insider
show.
Have
you
been
getting
more
involved
in
Coupe
by
example,
as
well
or
kind
of
more
broadly
I?
Guess.
B
B
A
B
A
B
Now
everyone
talks
about
kubernetes,
but
no
one
explains
it
like
what
it
is
like
no
one
says
like
at
the
big
beginner
level,
so
it
just
goes
above
your
head,
so
I'm,
hoping
that
we
could
I
I
would
participate
more
right
in
other
avenues
that
are
available,
like
whatever
it
is.
I
I
want
to
figure
it
out
and
I
want
to
like
be
a
part
of
it
more.
A
Yeah,
that's
cool
I,
yeah
I've
been
working
on
a
tecton
learning
path
for
Key
by
example,
and
I
could
definitely
see
a
conveyor
one
I
think
one
of
the
things
what
I
was
doing
with
the
techtone
learning
path,
the
problem
I
think
with
application.
Modernization
right
is
it's
one
of
those
like
software
engineering
activities
where
you,
when
you
look
at
it
to
go
start
doing
it.
It
looks
pretty
straightforward
and
then
you
kind
of
get
into
the
weeds
and
you're
like
oh
my
God.
A
B
A
You
go
in
right,
so
you
can
kind
of
like
get
at
least
a
sense
of
you
were
kind
of
saying
this
before
it's
like.
Okay,
we're
gonna
have
to
like
fix
this
piece.
We're
gonna
have
to
upgrade
that
part
and
then,
if
you
kind
of
can
know
all
that
before
you
get
into
it,
you
can
plan
for
it
properly.
You
know
you're
less
likely
to
be
terrified
later,
so
I
think
it's
they're
really
useful.
Even
if
it
isn't
a
you
know,
Magic
Bullet
kind
of
yeah.
B
A
B
B
A
Yeah
because
I
think
that
is
a
deceptive,
like
you
know,
I
always
talk
about
package
managers,
databases,
those
are
also
very
deceptively
easy
pieces
of
software
yeah
and
then
you
kind
of
get
into
it
and
you're
like
wait.
This
transaction
has
to
be
Atomic.
How
am
I
going
to
make
that
happen?
If
there's
a
power
failure,
you
know
so
database
is
much
harder
to
write.
Than
People
realize
when
they
start
writing
one
yeah.
B
B
So,
like
the
worst
part
was
it
was
a
Saturday
morning
before
my
coffee
and
I
was
like
oh
I'm,
getting
alerts.
What
is
that?
Let
me
check
it
out
or
like
I'll
just
do
this
and
that's
the
bad
thing.
So
I
made
a
rule
in
my
life
that
I
will
never
do
anything
just
after
getting
up
at
the
two
hour
a
weekend
right.
A
B
And
one
thing
that
I
want
to
also
bring
to
KBR
kbi
whenever
I
have
a
chance,
is
that
I
want
to
include
a
little
bit
more
about
the
security
tracks.
You
know,
like
security,
is
also
like
important
and
I
like
to
see
more
of
those
and
I
want
to
like.
If
there
is
time
if,
if
someone
would
accept
whatever
I'm
writing,
then
I'll
be
like
happy
to
like
put
all
those
things.
B
A
B
A
So
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
I
like
about
kind
of
a
lot
of
the
approach
to
how
kind
of
kubernetes
works
and
things
like
that,
is
that
you
have
it's
almost
like
the
Security's
on
by
default.
You
know
Red
Hat,
you
know
like
Rel.
A
lot
of
that
is
like
that
too.
So
it's
it's
super
nice.
When
you
are
trying
to
you,
know
kind
of
build
out
an
application
you
know
is
that
as
long
as
I
know
how
to
turn
the
security
off.
B
A
You
know
I
leave
it
on
all
the
time
and
then,
if
I
run
into
a
problem,
I
turn
it
off
make
sure
that's
the
problem
and
then
you
know
and
then
figure
out
what
it
is
and
then
I
can
turn
it
back
on
again.
But
I
think
that
that
kind
of
model
is
becoming
ridiculously
important
because
there
you
know
so
little
about
how
like,
because
you
have
this
wicked
long
supply
chain.
Yep.
B
B
Yeah
I
have
a
so
I,
am
one
of
the
I
have
maintainer
track
session
for
six
security?
Okay,
so,
like
I,
help
lead
the
six
security
documentation
sub
project,
so
I
am
a
person
who
believes
everything
and
starts
and
ends
with
documentation.
So,
like
you
want
to
hack
a
project,
you
read
the
documentation.
B
You
will
have
everything
even
including
a
loopholes
that
someone
would
have
missed
so
kubernetes
documentation
is
quite
awesome
and
extensive,
but
there
are
places
where
it
could
be
improved
in
terms
of
security
like
when
I
was
when
I
used
to
work
as
a
platform
engineer,
I
struggled
to
find
the
proper
R
back
and
our
back
is
everyone's
nightmare
right
so
like
we
want
to
improve
little
things
like
that.
So
when
this
thing
got
they
had
the
first
meeting
they
said
like.
Oh,
we
are
forming
a
new
single.
B
You
know:
eating
I,
just
raised
my
hand
up
and
I
said,
like
I
want
to
volunteer
for
this
I,
don't
know
much
about
security.
I'm
willing
to
learn,
but
I
want
to
volunteer
for
this,
because
this
is
what
I
want
to
see.
I
want
to
make
this
document
like
documentation
like
one
step
like
one
stop
like
once.
B
Stop
Shop
for
everything,
because
it's
already
awesome
and
why
to
like,
look
at
something.
So
if
you
have
something
official
from
the
documentation,
the
kubernetes
folks,
it's
tough,
the
amount
of
issues
that
you'll
run
into
would
be
later
less
and
then
to
find
some
are
back
randomly
on
the
internet
and
they
copy
it
and
put
it
where
it'll
give
access
to
every
single
thing,
and
you
were
just
like.
B
B
B
Yeah
and
then
like
there
is
less
time
and
you're
always
on
like
something
when
you're
doing
a
POC
or
like
on
a
deadline
telling
like
oh
I,
want
to
like
figure
out
what
would
work,
because
someone
pays
your
check,
so
you
cannot
always
be
researching
or
like
playing
away
with
all
these
shiny
new
toys
right
so
like
I,
have
been
guilty
of
that.
So
that
is
one
of
the
goals
that
I
personally
tell
myself.
That
I
want
to
like
help
make
this
thing
better.
A
Yeah,
more
approachable,
simpler,
I
was
just
going
to
say
actually
for
the
benefit
of
the
audience
in
case
you
have
never
heard
it
out
loud.
Our
back
is
how
you
pronounce
the
acronym
for
role-based
Access
Control,
and
it's
one
of
those
things
where
you
know
like
there's
so
many
things
until
you
actually
hear
somebody
say.
A
B
B
Be
on
the
assessment,
so
this
is
security
has
like
three
or
four
sub-projects
on
it.
That
does
the
kubernetes
audit,
which
is
really
really
important,
because
we
need
to
know
where
we
also
like
even
a
big
project
can
have
it's
like
a
little
fall,
so
we
need
to
be
on
top
of
it.
So
that
project
helps
with
that
and
there
is
this
security.
B
Two
links
of
project
where,
like
recent
achievement
of
that
it's
automated
TV
is
first
so
website
didn't
have
the
automated
kubernetes
CV
list
and
you
have
to
be
subscribed
to
the
mailing
list
and
mailing
list
and
I
just
control
or
like
all
delete
them,
so
I
select
all
and
delete
them.
So
I
need
to
find
a
place
where
you
can
have
it
as
a
feed
or
something
so
those
are
the
kind
of
all
the
tooling
does,
and
then
there
is
documentation
that
Mio
heard
about
and
there
is
also
self-assessment.
B
So
it's
a
prod
like
each
individual
or
like
related
project
to
kubernetes,
can
come
in
and
like
get
that
type.
Modeling
threat.
Modeling
done
and
like
some
reports
and
stuff
like
that,
so
this
year's
highlight
is
going
to
be
that
last
coupon
was
documentation
highlight
so
we
talked
in
depth
in
detail
about
like
the
entire
sub
project.
B
This
time
it's
gonna
be
like
five
to
ten
minutes
quickly,
saying
like
what
was
the
things
that
was
done
between
the
last
cubecon
This
cubecon
and
like
what
we
are
planning
to
work
in
the
next
few
months,
because
it's
it's
nice
to
have
little
goals,
I'm,
not
saying
that
it
has
to
be
done
and
are
like
completed
because
everyone
has
got
their
lives,
but
so
that
those
are
the
things
that
I'll
be
like
highlighting
in
the
talk.
It's
you
know
another
thing
that
I
want
to
like
talk
about
when
I
talk
about
chick
security.
B
It
really
warms
my
heart,
because
the
coaches
put
so
much
effort
into
making
that
a
safe,
safe
place
for
anyone
and
everyone.
That
is
my
inspiration
that
I
took
from
that
and
put
it
in
the
conveyor
Community
to
make
sure
that
I
bring
it
along.
It's
it's
not
per
se
like
a
thing
that
you
write
down
or
it's
not
a
rule
or
it's
it's
the
it's
like.
How
do
I
say
it's
a
quality
or
something
that
you
learn
and.
A
B
A
B
A
A
B
A
I
would
love
to
go
back
on
vacation,
I
haven't
been
to
Valencia.
I
was
in
Sevilla
not
that
long
ago,
and
yeah
I,
like
I,
really
wanted
to
go
on
that
trip
and
I
was
gonna.
Take
my
wife
and
we're
gonna
like
have
like
a
bit
of
a
vacation
or
whatever,
and
then
she
went
and
took
a
job
which
she
hasn't
had
in
I.
A
A
B
A
A
A
B
A
A
That
yeah
yeah
yeah
I
went
by
I
went
by
a
sign
for
it
yeah
it
was
Eastern
Market.
It's
supposed
to
be
really
cool,
one
of
the
other
people
who's
involved
with
the
show
Tam.
She
said
one
of
her
trips
here
she
went
and
said
it
was
really
awesome
like
she.
We
were
literally
just
talking
about
it
last
night
or
earlier
today,
but
yeah
I'm,
I'm,
sorry
that
my
trip
is
like
super
tight.
A
B
A
So
I
can't
just
like
recycle
the
old
slides
immediately
and
just
pop
it
up.
I
gotta
like
work
through
it
and
figure
out
what
exactly
I'm
going
to
say
and
like
which,
what
what
does
this
group
of
students
seem
to
be
having
more
trouble
with
than
that
group
of
students?
It
was
like
really
interesting.
Like
my
first
semester
teaching
it,
the
students
really
were
not
wrapping
their
head
around
like
types
of
graphs
and
and
so
I
kind
of
the
second
semester.
B
A
I'm,
pretty
heavily
involved
with
that
so
yeah
I
did
not
actually
get
very
much
of
my
summer
off
I
was
I
was
a
little
disappointed.
I
was
hoping
to
have
some
more
break
because
there's
a
lot
of
software
I
want
to
build.
You
know
all
open
so
source,
of
course,
but
yeah.
Finding
the
time
is
still
very
difficult.
I'm
hoping
this
summer
will
be
more
sane,
because
I
think
we
like
everybody
else,
have
had
the
you
know
pandemic
being
over
turnover.
A
B
A
B
A
A
We're
yeah,
so
it's
it's
we're
getting
a
lot
of
more
students
and
then,
on
top
of
that,
but
like
it's
a
new
Department
right,
so
we're
doing
data
science
and-
and
so
we,
you
know
our
first
freshman
class.
Was
this
fall
and
we
took
I,
don't
know
something
like
100
new
freshmen,
but
I
think
we
want
to
like
double
and
triple
it,
but
we
also
need
faculty
members
to
teach
the
classes.
So
we
had
it.