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From YouTube: KBE Insider Detroit - Liz Rice, Isovalent
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Liz Rice, Chief Open Source Officer at Isovalent, creators of the Cilium eBPF-based networking project, and Chair of the CNCF’s Technical Oversight Committee, joins KBE Insider for a second (or is this technically her third?) episode. We’ll talk about what’s new with the Cilium project, her involvement in OpenUK, and prepping for her live demo at KubeCon. Tune in to this episode of KBE Insider, while we take a very sunny morning car ride in Detroit while at KubeCon.
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Save
yourself
right,
we
want,
we
want
more
immigration,
come
to
Canada
yeah,
exactly
I
thought.
The
thing
I
tweeted
about
yesterday
was
like
I
still
can't
get
over.
The
Canada
is
south
of
us,
which
is
like
wait
like
every,
because
you
know
I'm
a
East
coaster
right,
so
the
water
is
always
on
the.
You
know,
east
side
of
me
and
having
it
on
the
south
side
and
it's
going
to
the
wrong
country.
It's
very
confusing
in
my
brain.
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So
this
was
a
new
thing
for
for
psyllium
I,
don't
know
if
other
projects
have
done
it
before,
but
basically
cncf
offered
us
a
meeting
room
and
and
some
time
and
said,
go
for
it.
So
we
publicized
beforehand
a
document
and
said
sign
up
here.
If
you've
got
like
a
PR,
you
want
to
discuss
or
a
problem
or.
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It's
always
hard
to
like
I
I
think,
although
sometimes
when
you
get
a
group
of
people
who
are
interested
in
the
discussion
around
things
like
PRS
or
problems,
they're
having
or
whatever
the
conversations
that
just
kind
of
spontaneously
occur
are
almost
better
than
most
other
scenarios,
because
you
have
a
bunch
of
people
are
really
engaged
yeah,
you
know
so
so,
hopefully
it'll.
You
know.
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Yeah,
that
would
definitely
Gathering
and
talking
about
because
we
had
a
whole
range
of
people
who
were
new
to
psyllium
who
wanted
an
introduction,
and
then
we
had
people
who
had
very
specific
problems
that
they
wanted
to
discuss,
or
a
PR
in
particular
that
they
wanted
to
get
some
help
on
so
yeah.
It's
some
good
conversations.
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It
is
so
different
now,
like
kind
of
the
city
in
general
and
I
was
talking
to
some
of
the
locals
and
they
were
kind
of
saying
the
same
thing.
It's
just
like
how
how
much
it
it
seems
to
have
kind
of
come
back,
but
there's
still
a
lot
of
you
know
a
lot
of
open
space
which
you
know
like
still
still
waiting
for
recovery
from
the
pandemic.
Maybe
yeah.
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It's
a
very
simple
you've
got
a
demo
app,
that's
sitting
behind
kubernetes
Ingress
set
up
to
be
of
psyllium
type,
so
right,
psyllium
service
mesh
is
providing
that
Ingress
functionality
and
under
the
covers
it
programs
Envoy
and
then
get
a
nice
service
map
inside
a
grafana
dashboard
and
get
some
really
good.
Metrics.
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A
One
of
the
things
I
it's
funny
on
the
on
The
Insider-
show
that
you've
done,
if
you
know
you
did
before,
but
also
in
the
old
level
up
show
I
used
to
it's
like
one
of
the
things
that
is
so
hard
about.
Using
these
you
know
kind
of
modern
distributed
systems.
Right
is
like
you
really
need
those
visuals
to
be
able
to
wrap
your
head
around,
what's
actually
going
on,
because
it's
so
because
the
whole
idea
of
it
right
is
it's
distributed
and
somewhat
disconnected.
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Need
this
kind
of
configuration
or
this
level
of
retries
or
I
want
to
roll
out
this
Canary
deployment
and
so
we're
kind
of
seeing
it
as
three
layers
now
there's
the
data
plane
itself
actual
network
connectivity
passing
packets
around
there's
the
at
the
top,
the
configuration
you
know.
Do
you
want
to
configure
an
Ingress
Gateway?
B
Do
you
want
to
configure
Gateway
API
there's
a
lot
of
work
going
on
in
the
it's
called
the
gamma
initiative,
Gateway
API,
sort
of
new
version
that
will
support
service
mesh
abstractions
like
HTTP
routes
right,
so
you
configure
that
and
then
in
the
middle
there's
what
you
could
call
a
control
plane,
but
increasingly
I.
Don't
think
that
you
know
application
developers
need
to
care
about.
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It's
like
there's,
there's
people
on
both
sides
of
this
fence
where
yeah,
it's
like
no
I
want
to
have
all
these
different
clusters
right
and
but
I
I
want
to
treat
them
as
one
or
you
know.
Whatever
do
you
have
any
kind
of
feeling
about?
This
am
I
just
crazy.
That
I
think
that
there
should
just
be
one.
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Yeah
yeah,
no,
that
I
I
definitely
agree,
I
mean
it.
It
all
kind
of
comes
back
to
that.
I
guess
the
like!
That's
a
super
nice
feature
because
I
think
that's
at
least
for
me
right
part
of
my
problem
about
getting
my
head
wrapped
around.
It
is
like
I.
Don't
I
don't
want
to
think
about
the
fact
that
there's
multiple
clusters
right
I
just
want
I,
want
my
service
available
all
the
time
yeah
as
close
to
the
user
as
possible.
B
B
A
You
don't
really
want
them,
communicating
in
general
yeah
and
maybe
the
you
know,
the
air
gap
model
right,
yeah,
but
yeah
I,
think
I.
Think
the
most
common
example
I've
kind
of
heard
is
around
security,
but
you
know
at
least
for
me,
like
I,
you
know:
I
worked
on
a
system
which
had
a
you
know.
It
was
one
of
those
ones
where
it
was
used
around
the
world,
but
its
biggest
load
was
at
9am
ish
right
at
whatever
time
zone,
because
that's
when
everybody
logged
into
it.
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A
B
A
Then
I
mean
there's
kind
of
the
problem
with
current
Auto
scaling
right
is
that
by
the
time
the
auto
scaling
starts
it's
too
late
yeah,
you
know
it's
like
no.
You
have
to
you
have
to
guess
beforehand
when
it's
going
to
happen,
and
you
know
guessing
things
like
what
humans
are
going
to
do
is
such
an
easy
problem
right.
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It
was
super,
it
was
super
interesting.
We
of
course
had
had
the
discussion
about
the
fact
that
he
was
super
tall
with
the
last
name
short,
so
I
was
at
least
expecting
him
to
be
quite
tall,
but
you
know
because
I'm
not
that
tall
I'm
like
5
10
right
and
so
so
that
was
interesting,
but
yeah
also
I,
think
I've.
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B
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A
It's
like
the
academic
conferences,
are
kind
of
lined
up
with
the
school
year
and
all
the
industry
conferences
are
like
a
right
smack
dab
in
the
middle
of
the
semester,
and
so
it's
kind
of
interesting
and
it's
kind
of
what
I've
been
trying
to
figure
out
is
like
you
know,
is
there?
Is
there
a
way
we
could?
You
know
fix
this
somehow,
because
I
would
like
to
see
more
kind
of
academic
people
at
kubecon
yeah.
You
know
but
like
I
know,
for
me,
I
had
to
like
get
coverage
for
a
lecture.
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Basically
it
was
a
bunch
of
research
around
the
average
pay
for
women
in
Boston
versus
men.
Okay
and
obviously
you
know
a
lot
of
companies
didn't
want
to
share
that
information,
and
so
that
was
the
technique
they
used.
There
was
another
one
too.
That
I
think
is
super
interesting.
Is
they
Boston
was
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
make
ride
sharing
safer
in
that
when
they
pull
over
to
like
give
them
spots.
B
A
Wouldn't
be
basically
double
parked
in
the
middle
okay
and
Uber
and
Lyft
they
wanted
their
data,
but
Uber
Lyft
don't
want
to
share
their
data
with
anybody
about
where
their
drop-offs
are,
but
so
they
could
figure
it
out
by
the
same
technique.
By
using
you
know,
I,
don't
know
exactly
the
details
of
how
it
worked,
but
yeah
and
so
I
found
out
that
the
bar-
that's
like
five
blocks
from
my
house,
is
the
single
biggest
drop-off
location
for
Uber
and
Lyft
in
the
entire
city.
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You
know
it's
actually
was
funny.
I
worked
on
a
system
years
ago
for
the
City
of
New,
York
and
I.
Don't
know
if
it's
still
true,
but
if
you
build
software
for
the
state
of
New
York,
it's
required
by
state
law
that
any
other
place
in
New
York
can
have
the
software
for
free,
okay,
because
it
basically
it's
open
source
within
the
state
and
which
I
was
like.
Why
isn't
that
true?
For,
like
any
software
that
gets
built
custom,
you
know
for
a
a
you
know:
government
entity
right.