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Modernize your Application Development for OpenShift
Raveesh Dewan (Joget)
October 7 2020
OpenShift Commons Operator Hour
OpenShift Commons Briefing
A
Thanks
everybody
for
joining,
we
are
here
today,
I'm
michael
waite,
from
red
hat
with
another
edition
of
the
openshift
commons
briefings
operator
hours,
and
today
we
are
fortunate
enough
to
have
with
us
ravish
dewan
from
joget
ravish
is
the
president
and
ceo
of
the
company.
How
are
you
today
ravish
hi
mike?
How
are
you
doing
thanks
for
coming?
I
know
that
we
turned
this
one
around
in
just
a
couple
weeks,
so
we're
really
really
happy
to
have
you
here
today
talking
to
us.
B
A
B
B
And
then
you
know,
as
the
time
passed
by,
we
were
developing
the
openshift
open
source
for
for
workflow
and
somewhere
around
2014.
We
pivoted
on
being
the
low
code
platform.
We
were
trying
to
do
a
lot
of
things
visually
without
you
know
writing
code.
If
we
can-
and
there
came
this
whole
concept
of
low
code
platforms
and
citizen
developers-
and
we
pivoted
on
that.
So
today
we
are
a
low
code
platform.
A
B
A
B
So
my
glow
code
platform-
and
I
would
say
the
acceleration
of
digital
transformation-
is
what
is
going
on
right
now
and
we
observe
that
there
are
not
enough
either
developers
available
to
you
know:
do
the
application
development
and
go
through
that
full
process
or
business
does
not
have
enough
time
to
go
through.
You
know,
sharing
all
that
they
want
to
do
with
the
with
the
developers
and
are
in
the
need
of
getting
these
things
done
much
faster
than
what
we
have
traditionally
been
doing,
and
also
from
industry
trend
standpoint.
B
A
B
I
I
that's
a
very
good
question
mike
and
I'll
share
this
with
you
and
we
we
do.
You
know
caution
our
customers
as
well,
that
if
you
try
to
automate
a
process,
you
get
an
automated
process
right.
You
can
go
faster,
but
if
you
automate
a
mess,
you
get
an
automated
mess
that
becomes
difficult
to
handle
as
well.
So
it's
not
necessary.
The
fast
is
always
good.
It
has
to
be
done
with
caution
and
with
governance
in
place
and
the
customers.
B
A
Should
I
know
you
know
this,
but
I'll
remind
this
for
all
the
people
who
are
watching
as
well
that
we're
we're
streaming.
This
live
we're
on
youtube,
we're
on
facebook,
live
and
and
twitch
live.
If
anyone
has
any
questions
for
ravish,
please
post
them
in
the
chat
and
we'll
make
sure
that
we
work
them
in
as
we
go
forward
here
so
joget,
it's
kind
of
an
interesting
name,
red
hat
everyone's
like
well,
it's
a
red
hat.
I
don't
really
know
what
a
joe
get
is.
B
It
requires
a
lot
of
coordination
across
the
enterprise
right
and
the
whole
idea
was
to
depict
that
that
coordination
that
multiple
you
know,
teams
working
together.
Just
like
what
happens
in
the
dance.
You
need
a
lot
of
coordination
with
team
members
to
deliver
an
experience
and
that's
exactly
what
we
meant
when
we
named
yogurt.
B
B
But
if
you
look
at
the
core
still
remains
the
same,
we
wanted
to
make
it
a
little
more
bold
with
what
we
are
doing
now.
We
have
not
been
a
company
that
you
know
captures
your
email
and
floods
you
with
the
the
marketing
stuff,
but
rather
bold
in
the
sense
that
we
are
able
to
deliver
really
large
applications
during
your
applications
of
the
scale
of
erp
now
using
the
low
code
platform
and
that's
what
we
wanted
to
represent
in
our
new
logo.
If
you
will.
A
B
B
I
worked
for
an
infosys
consulting
company,
large
consulting
company
of
india,
one
of
the
top
ones,
and
had
a
chance
to
get
experience
here
in
united
states
working
with
customers
really
understanding
what
means
important
to
them.
And
while
I
was
doing
this,
I
was
also
exploring
the
open
source
space.
B
That's
where
I,
you
know,
found
yoga
very
interesting
and
had
a
chance
to
you
know,
work
on
an
advisory
basis.
If
you
look
at
my
experience,
I've
been
on
the
other
side
of
the
table.
All
the
time
consuming
the
products
spent
a
lot
of
time
in
in
in
the
industry.
You
know
working
with
large
companies
like
not
mutual
or
nationwide
insurance
and
then
blue
cross
blue
shield.
B
I
felt
that
it
is
in
the
right
marketplace
right
now,
and
it
is
the
right
time
to
create
that
you
know
wave
in
low
code
platform
and
change,
how
we
do
application
development
and
not
just
change
how
we
do
application
development
even
from
infrastructure
standpoint
you're.
Looking
at
some
of
these
newer
cooler
technologies,
like
you,
know,
ai
and
machine
learning,
and
then
you
know
containers
all.
B
This
is
changing
how
we
were
doing
application
development
earlier,
and
I
felt
you
know
bringing
this
all
together
would
be
a
really
good
game
changer,
and
it
is
now
in
the
industry.
If
you
will,
if
you
look
at
it,
you
know
going
from
no
infrastructure
to
a
completely.
You
know.
Full-Fledged
application
has
been
super
accelerated
now
and
that's
what
drives
my
passion
in
yoga.
A
Okay,
so
what
about
what
about
joget
and
red
hat?
I
I've
been
around
a
long
time.
I've
known
you
for
for
years.
It
seems
like
you
folks
are
everywhere
with
us.
We
we're
at
events
together.
You
folks
have
a
red
hat
certified
operator.
That's
in
our
operator,
catalog.
You
have
a
presence
in
the
red
hat
marketplace.
So
there's
a
commercial
opportunity
there
for
customers
to
to
actually
consume
joe
get
from
the
red
hat
marketplace.
B
Yeah,
that's
a
good
question
mike
and
let
me
just
take
a
step
back
and
talk
about
what
is
happening
in
the
industry
that
we
observe,
as
as
you
get
and
then
we'll
come
back
to
the
the
question.
If
you
look
at
the
industry,
there
is
a
lot
going
on
from
cloud
migration
and
all
of
a
sudden.
This
whole
covert
thing
has
accelerated
the
digital
transformation
for
our
customers,
and
what
is
happening
is
in
in
order
to
get
to
the
cloud
in
order
to
get
to
the
the
cloud
native
applications.
B
Customers
are
looking
at
how
they
can
move
their
existing
stuff,
how
they
can
rewrite
their
existing
stuff
and
all,
and
how
can
they
get
rid
of
their
legacy
application
and
be
more
cloud
native?
So
there
is
this
trend
going
on.
The
other
trend
that
is
going
on
is
everyone
is
talking
about
ai.
You
pick
any
software,
they
they
they
are
talking
about
ai.
We
are
not
an
ai
company.
I
do
want
to
highlight
that,
but
we
do
see
an
opportunity
wherein
there
are
plenty
of
ai
engines.
I
am
I've
been
talking
to.
B
You
know
a
company
called
conversion
wherein
we
we
are
exploring
the
partnership
to
to
create
the
document
ingestion.
There
is
another
company
for
credit
scoring
another
company
on
the
clinical
healthcare.
So
so
there
are
various
ai
engines
that
are
available
and
customers
when
they
consume
that
engine
they
need
to
create
the
applications
around
it.
So
there's
this
one
another
trend
going
on,
then
there
is
obviously
containers
that
is
completely
changing
how
you
develop
and
deploy
applications.
B
We
if
we
look
at
all
three
ends,
we
want
to
do
the
same
for
our
customers
and
I
felt
that
reddit
marketplace
was
an
extremely
great
strategy
from
hybrid
cloud.
If
you
will,
I
want
to
do
it
on
prem
today
and
then
I
want
to
take
it
on
the
cloud
tomorrow
or
vice
versa.
You
know
this.
This
whole
reddit
marketplace
model
gives
them
give
the
customer
ability
to
do
what
they
want
or
what
they
are
willing
to
do
and
also
enable
them
for
future.
B
You
want
to
be
on
on-prem
and
on
cloud
today
and
then
move
everything
to
the
cloud
tomorrow.
You
can
do
that
and
I
think
riding
on
that
wave.
You
know
with
reddit
marketplace
and
with
red
hat
as
a
partner
would
be
a
great
position
to
be
in.
We
are
enabling
any
of
our
reddit.
You
know,
customers,
you
get
customers
to
be
able
to
go
to
the
marketplace.
B
A
Were
you
folks,
an
early
adopter
of
containers
when
containers
first
really
became
well?
I
guess
mainstream
version
two.
Were
you
folks,
early
adopters
of
that
and
said?
Yes,
this
is
the
future
of
application
development
we
gotta
containerize,
or
did
you
have
to
wait
for
customers
to
start
saying,
hey,
where's,
your
containers.
B
The
first
thing
was
to
you
know,
get
the
container
certified,
guess
what
we
already
have
a
container,
so
it
just
took
us
two
weeks
to
you
know
get
through
all
that
process
just
because
we
were
already.
You
know,
thinking
about
what
industry
trends
are
going
to
be
and
how
we
can.
You
know,
move
fast
in
that
space,
and
you
know
when
you
talk
about
yogurt
or
openshift.
You
know
the
next
thing
came
was
the
operator
you
know.
Can
I
make
it
super
easy
for
our
customers
to?
B
A
B
Yes,
yes,
you
can
use
it,
you
get
anywhere,
you
want.
I
mean
on-prem
on
cloud
on
open
shift
off
of
open
shift.
Let's
say
today
you
have
a
yoga
environment,
and
this
is
something
that
we
are
recommending
to
our
customers.
Also,
you
know,
look
at
the
container
environment.
Look
at
openshift,
so
you
get
a
huge
tremendous
advantage
when
you
do
that,
we
I'll
just
share
an
interesting
story.
B
We
have
a
customer.
A
large
customer,
rather
large
customer
who
was
building,
had
a
need
to
build
a
very
critical
application
on
joker
or
very
fast
they
embarked
on
yogic.
They
finished
the
application
within
four
weeks,
so
very
quickly
got
the
business
understood
their
requirements
enabled
them
they
developed
the
application
in
four
weeks,
then
they
were
going
to
deploy
in
in
that
application
in
production,
not
realizing
how
fast
they
were
moving
on
application.
B
So
I
was,
I
was
sharing
our
observation
with
that
customer
that
you
know
you
took
way
less
time
to
develop
the
business
application
and
you
took
way
more
time
to
develop
your
infrastructure
on
which
you
are
going
to
deploy
joget.
You
can
accelerate
all
that
and
super
accelerate
all
that
with
you
know,
technologies
like
openshift
and-
and
you
know,
joget
operator
and
all
that.
B
B
We
have
an
api
builder
baked
into
our
enterprise
version,
so
there
are
a
number
of
capabilities
in
the
enterprise
version
that
are
not
available
in
community
edition.
But,
yes,
community
edition
is
absolutely
free,
open
source.
You
know
we
have
more
than
eleven
thousand
community
members
who
are,
you
know,
participating
in
what
we're
doing
from
open.
A
B
A
B
Yeah
sure,
so
let
me
talk
about
not
rather
a
customer,
but
we
actually
donated
the
software
just
because
we
felt
that
you
know
it
would
have
been
good
for
the
not
for
profit.
We,
there
is
a
not
for
profit
called
doctors
without
borders
and
they
reached
out
to
us.
We
want
to
use
your
platform
and
we
the
interesting
thing
was
they
had
no
engineer
in
there
and
they
wanted
to
build
a
lab
management
software
for
what
they
were
doing
and
they
reached
out
to
us.
B
We
thought
you
know
what
it's
for
a
good
cause.
Let's,
let's
go
ahead
and
do
that
and
we,
you
know
extended
the
last
joget
license
at
no
cost
and
to
our
surprise,
they
actually
developed
the
whole
application
without
even
our
help-
and
I
was
kind
of
amazed
to
see
how
this
is
where
we
feel
that
when
we
are
building
some
of
these
things
with
the
com,
the
goal
in
mindset
that
citizen
developers
should
be
able
to
build
the
applications
and
be
able
to
roll
that
out
in
production.
B
This
is
a
perfect
example
of
one
of
our.
You
know
your
customers
or
users
of
joget
had
no
training.
No
exposure
to
you
know
what
they
just
looked
at
the
you
know.
Knowledge
base
started
building
the
lab
application
management
and
they
recently
came
back.
We
want
to
extend
it
to
for
others.
You
know
sites
as
well,
very
interesting
to
see
how
they
used
yogurt
and
very
quickly
created
that
you
know
application
for
themselves.
A
Is
there
any
out
there
that
yoga
is
targeted
more
than
others?
Like
you
know,
some
companies
are
very
vertically
aligned.
You
know
around
financial
services
or
telco,
I'm
guessing,
given
that
you
target
developers
looking
to
build
code
faster
and
better
that
it's
applicable
to
every
developer,
building
in
any
application
anywhere
in
the
world,
regardless
of
what
type
of
business
they're
in.
B
You're,
we
are
not
focused
on
a
particular
vertical.
We
have
customers
across
all
verticals
manufacturing,
healthcare,
banking,
education-
you
know
aerospace,
government,
so
all
sorts
of
customers
are
there.
In
fact,
another
interesting
story
I
wanna
share
is
one
of
our
customer
is
orange
county
california,
and
they
again
a
similar
story.
They
bought
yogurt,
they
started
working
on
it
and
within
three
months
they
were
overloaded
with
what
they
were
doing
from
their
regular
business
processes
and
within
three
or
four
months
of
application
development.
B
You
know
on
joget
and
releasing
their
internal
processes
on
automating
their
processes
on
yoga.
They
went
from
like
four
people
team
paid
people
team
to
a
four
people
team
very,
very
short
time
frame,
and
they
were
able
to
do
this
fast
in
a
very,
very
short
time
frame
again
without
any
particular
assistance
or
any
particular
formal.
You
know
training
they
were,
they
were
able
to
do
it
on
their
own.
A
B
B
We
did
not
want
yoga
to
be
restrictive
and
when
we
say
open
source,
what
it
means
is.
There
is
a
very
strong
plugin
architecture
that
we
have
built
so
any
new
piece
that
we
want
to
roll
out.
We
can
easily
create,
or
even
our
customers-
and
this
is
something
that
our
customers
have
done-
a
lot
as
well
create
their
own
plugins
in
yoga.
B
Instead
of
creating
a
reusable
code,
we
have.
We
extend
the
joget
platform,
they
can
extend
the
joget
platform
themselves
and
create
plugins
around
it
and
that
enables
them
to.
You
know
take
that
joget
capability
to
the
next
level
within
their
organization,
and
that
brings
in
a
you
know
interesting
way
to
to
extend
yoga.
We
see
that
happening
all
the
time.
A
number
of
our
customers,
you
know
request.
The
this
feature
would
be
great.
B
That
feature
would
be
great,
but
when
they
learn
that,
oh
you
know
what
we
have
the
power
to
extend
it
and
create
that
feature
for
ourselves.
It
gives
a
very
different.
You
know
outlook
to
what
we
are
doing.
You
know
with
our
local
platform
and
that's
what
we
are
striving
for
right
now.
We
have
released,
in
fact
with
joget
dx.
We
have
released
some
major
capability.
Like
you
know,
api
building,
you
can
you
know,
as
you
are
creating
business
applications.
B
You
want
to
integrate
that
within
your
organization
as
well.
No
business
application
is
going
to
sit
in
a
silo
and
not
interact
with
multiple
existing
applications
in
the
enterprise.
So
we
have
created
a
we
have
released
the
api.
You
know
builder,
within
joget.
You
can
create
apis
around
the
applications
that
you've
built
or
processes
that
you've
built
in
yoga.
A
That
was
in
march
of
this
year.
Wasn't
it
just
before
the
everything
changed?
That
is
good.
I
think
I
was
reading
reading
an
article
back
on
early
march,
but
I
got
confused
there
because
you
know
you
were
talking
about.
You
know
your
artificial
intelligence
and
application
performance
management,
and
I
was
like
well
geez.
I
don't
think
they're
an
ai
vendor.
I
think
they
probably
just
enable
better
ai
development.
Is
that
right.
B
That
is
correct
and
just
to
give
a
little
insight
to
that.
Let's
say:
example:
you
have
developed
a
tensorflow,
you
know
model
in
your
ai,
let's
say
for
image
map
matching,
I'm
just
giving
an
example
right
and
in
fact
there
is
a
blog
on
openshift,
how
red
hat
open
shift
and
joget
and
tensorflow
you
can
utilize
to
assume
you
are
an
ai
company
and
you've
created
your
model
in
in
tensorflow.
B
We
have
a
currently
we
have
a
plug-in
in
joget
for
tensorflow.
We
are
looking
at
other
ai
engines
as
well,
but
we
have
a
plug-in
intensive
flow.
You
upload
your
model,
you
configure
your
inputs
and
outputs
and
you
can
get
an
application
around
it
very
quickly.
So
that's
the
that's
the
goal
that
we
are
targeting.
We
don't
want
to
be
a
ai
vendor.
B
We
are
not
ai
vendor,
but
what
we
are
is
give
you
the
base
capability
and
the
infrastructure
to
build
your
apple
application
on
the
the
the
model
that
you
have
built
in
in
air
space.
Now
there
is
always
a
api
integration
that
you
can
do
with
any
engine
today,
but
we
are
trying
to
see
how
we
can
make
that
into
a
you
know
out
of
box
capability
and
and
that's
where
the
ai
things
come
into
picture.
You
mentioned
about
the
application
monitoring.
B
And
I
face
various
challenges
using
a
number
of
large
softwares
to
build
these
applications
and
moment
you
hit
this
performance
in
production.
It
becomes
a
huge
blocker.
If
you
will
and
keeping
that
in
mind,
we
built
the
application
performance
monitoring
piece
in
within
yoga
as
a
capability
out
of
the
box.
B
B
You
know
we
create
this
performance
dashboard
for
you
to
look
at
what
are
your
transaction
response
times
if
you
want
to
establish
alerts,
something
going
slow,
so
this
capability
enables
our
customers
to
to
monitor
their
apps
in
production.
In
fact,
we
have
another
interesting
capability
related
to
performance
monitoring,
which
is
the
performance
analyzer.
B
So
when
you
are
building
an
app
when
a
non-order
or
a
non-developer
is
building
an
app
or
so-called
citizen
developer
is
building
an
application,
they
won't
realize,
drag
and
drop
and
put
an
image
here,
realizing
that
image
is
actually
slowing
down
their
application
right.
So
so
these
performance
analyzers,
you
establish
a
threshold
and
you
can
see
how
your
screen
performance
is
going
to
be
ahead
of
time,
and
that
gives
a
really
easy
way
for
non-coders,
also
to
look
at
what
they
are
building,
and
is
it
going
to
be
efficient
in
in
production?
A
So
is
that
not
to
wrap,
but
there's
lots
of
vendors
out
there
that
deliver
apm
application
performance
management
monitoring?
I
think
we
all
know
who
they
are.
Does
this
mean,
then,
that
if
a
customer
uses
the
joe
get
low
code,
no
code
platform
as
a
red
hat
certified
operator
for
openshift
that
they
don't
need
other
apm
vendors.
B
B
But
in
an
organization
there
might
be
multiple
applications,
some
integrate
some
you
know
not
in
yoga
or
a
legacy
application,
and
you
want
to
look
at
horizontally
across
applications.
You.
You
definitely
need
those
apm
tools,
so
there
is
absolutely
you
know
that
their
need
exists,
but
this
is
more
specific
to
how
a
non-coder
you
you.
You
cannot
expect
a
non-folder
citizen
developer
to
go
into.
You
know
some
of
these
apm
tools
and
make
sense
out
of
it.
B
It's
very
very
these
are
complicated
tools
and
these
are
not
simple
tools
to
use,
but
a
non-coder
can
take
a
look
at
this
screen
and
see
you
know
there
is
this
portion
of
the
screen
is
highlighted.
It's
going
to
take.
You
know
three
seconds
to
render.
You
know
that's
something
that
they
can
easily
understand
and
our
intent
with
apm
is
to
make
them
make
it
easy
for
them
to
look
at
and
they
can
always
configure
api
and
see.
Oh,
this
api
is
slowing
me
down,
that's
it,
but
the
the
detailed
you
know
horizontal
monitoring.
A
B
B
Looking
at
the
web
applications,
if
you
will
progressive
web
apps,
is
like
giving
these
some
of
the
offline
capabilities,
your
ability
for
notification.
So
I
don't
need
to
rely
on
on
native
apps.
There
is
a
whole
debate
going
on,
you
know
is,
will
native
apps
live
or
or
things
will
be
more
of
progressive
web
apps
on
your
devices
on
your
on
your
browser
so
on
and
so
forth,
and
we
felt
that
that
is
another
essential
element
from
joget's
standpoint.
B
So
within
our
product
yoga
dx,
which
is
on
reddit
marketplace
as
well,
the
any
application
you
create
using
jooget,
drag
and
drop.
You
are
creating
a
progressive
web
app
for
yourself.
We
have
a
push
notification
mechanism
that
you
can
enable
a
little
bit
of
offline
functionality
that
you
you
get
out
of
the
box
when
you
are
using.
You
know
yogurt,
so
so
these
are
some
common
needs
from
our
customers
and
a
direction
that
industry
is
driving
towards.
B
A
How
much
do
you
think
things
are
going
to
change?
I
mean
there's
been
a
lot
of
change
in
the
way
apps
are
built.
Certainly
you
know
in
the
19
years
that
I've
been
here
at
red
hat,
or
maybe
it's
20
now,
but
something
like
that,
you
know
it
was.
It
was
linux
and
applications
built
with
c,
and
there
was
you
know,
middleware
layers
and
and
then
there
was
virtualization
with
vmware
and
other
vendors,
and
then
there
was
you
know
the
disruptive
change
of
openstack
and
openstack
was
the
shiny
object
and
they
were
no.
No.
A
Now
it's
containers
containers
of
the
shiny
object
and
you
don't
need
vms
anymore.
Then
there's
then
there's
you
know
kubernetes
and
orchestration
of
container
platforms
and
and
operators
is
this
going
to
just
keep
on
going
like
this,
and
how
are
you
folks,
positioned
to
be
able
to
you
know,
change
with
the
times.
B
Yeah,
so
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
we,
this
excellent
question
mike
and
we
get
that
a
lot.
You
know
I
build
application
on
yogurt
and
the
technology
changes.
Then
what
right
you
think
about
we
were.
We
were
doing
without
containers
earlier
and
now
we
have
thought
through
for
our
customers
and
enabled
the
container
for
them.
Essentially
what
we
are
trying
to
do
as
a
goal
from
joget
standpoint
is
enabling
our
customers
for
future
proof
applications.
B
We
don't
know
today,
everyone
is
talking
about
the
cloud
tomorrow.
There
is
a
change
in
direction.
You
know,
deploy
somewhere
else,
don't
know,
but
what
we
are
trying
to
do
is
how
can
I
enable
the
customer
to
future
proof
their
application
if
they
did
not
have
a
pwa
capability
and
they
wanted
pwa
capability?
They
were
using
joget
yesterday
and
they
are
using
today
and
they
update
dx.
They
get
those
facility.
You
know
capabilities,
you
know
from
joget's
standpoint
and
we
want
to
be
ahead.
B
You
know
of
our
customer
needs
if
you
will
to
give
them
or
enable
them
for
future
applications
as
well.
That's
what
we
are
now
as
your
to
your
question
about:
do
you
think
it
will
keep
changing?
Absolutely
it
will
keep
changing
you
know,
but
the
need
for
customer
will
remain
exactly
the
same.
I
want
to
do
this
fast.
I
want
to
do
it
quickly
and
I
want
to
deploy
it
quickly
and
get
the
business
value
out
of
it.
That
basic
demand
will
remain
every
single
time.
A
What,
if
everything
reverted
back
to
the
data
center
in
a
couple
years,
because
of
you
know
space
aliens?
Who
knows
it?
Does
that
take
away
any
of
the
advantages
that
joget
can
and
the
benefits
that
yoga
can
provide
to?
You
know
people
building
apps
if
it's
just
back
in
the
data
center,
how
how
much
of
how
much
of
applications
moving
to
the
to
the
cloud
is
enabling
the
need
for
your
solutions.
B
Yeah,
actually
mike,
we
are
already
ready
for
that.
Whether
you
want
to
do
it
on
cloud
today
and
move
it
to
one
on-prem
tomorrow
or
you
start
with
on-prem
and
move
it
to
cloud.
We
are
already
ready
for
that.
That's
the
reason
you
will
find
you
know
all
sorts
of
images
across
various
cloud
platforms
from
joget
already
out
there,
and
you
know
our
customers
are
doing
it.
B
They,
some
of
the
customers,
start
with
the
trial
on
our
cloud,
and
then
they
say
you
know
what
we
are
going
to
be
building
a
sensitive
application
and
we
want
them
that
on-prem
they
do
that
even
today.
So
I
don't
think
we
have
to
wait
for
that
that
those
things
are
happening
depending
upon
the
customer
need
whether
you
want
to
be
on
the
cloud
on-prem
in
containers
on
all
sorts
of
various
platforms.
B
We
want
to
be
able
to
cater
to
you
as
simple
as
that,
and
we
want
to
do
it
now,
not
in
future
you
the
the
future.
It
will
become
a
demand
rather
than
a
want
to
do
this,
and
we
want
to
be
ahead
of
that
right
now.
So
if
you
have
a
joget
application
today,
on-prem
you
can
easily
go
to
cloud
or
vice
versa.
There
is
no.
B
This
is
where
I
it
fascinates
me
and
and
excites
me
to
partner
with
redhead,
also
is
managing
software
as
assets
within
any
organization.
It's
a
nightmare.
It
is
absolutely
nightmare.
If
you
go
to
any
large
organization
have
do
you
know
what
licenses
you
have
bought?
Do
you
know
what
you
have
bought
and
is
there
a
you
know,
even
though
there
are
cmdbs
and
all
sorts
of
solution
very,
very
difficult
to
keep
track
of,
and
I
believe
you
know
the
customers
who
are
aligned
with
reddit
marketplace
and
start
their
licensing
there.
B
It
will
be
a
very
structured
way
of
managing
their
software
inventory,
also
and
the
more
they
utilize
the
or
the
more
they
consolidate
the
better
it's
going
to
be
for
them.
It
is
not
an
easy
job
and
there
is
a
lot
of
wastage
that
happens
today
today,
a
number
of
organizations
don't
even
know
they
have
these
software
assets
and
licenses
that
they
are
paying
off
for,
and
you
know,
that's
what
happens
in
every
single
large
organization.
A
And
just
going
back
to
the
build,
it
once
deployed
anywhere
that
that
that's
that's
our
story
as
well,
with
openshift
being
the
layer
of
abstraction.
So
if
you
build
your
app
for
openshift,
you
get
to
deploy,
you
know
this
cloud
that
cloud
on
premise:
in
a
hybrid
model
without
having
to
having
to
you,
know
rebuild
it
every
time.
What
do
you
think
is
gonna
who's,
gonna
win.
So
every
all
these
cloud,
vendors
have
a
kubernetes
strategy.
Who
do
you
think's
got
it
right.
B
Yeah
got
it
right
is
yet
to
be
answered
if
you
will
and
yes
all
the
cloud
providers
have
the
the
the
you
know,
kubernetes
strategy
and
all
I
think
from.
If
you
look
at
from
my
vantage
point
and
I
have
been
in
customer
shoes
for
a
very
long
time,
my
I
think
the
flexibility
will
be
one
that
will
win
the
game.
B
Exactly
so,
I
think
the
the
strategy
that
enables
the
customer
fluidity
in
what
they
want
to
do
and
how
much
they
want
to
be
fluid
in
on,
on
which
cloud
I
think,
that's
something
that
is
going
to
be
valuable
other
than
that
you
know.
Don't
have
any
crystal
ball
with
me,
but
if
I
am
on
on
a
customer
end
or
a
consuming
end,
these
will
be
my
decision
parameters.
B
What
kind
of
flexibility
can
I
get?
How
soon
can
I
move
these
things?
If,
if
I
need
to
you
know
from
from
one
cloud
to
another
cloud
and
all
also
on-prem-
and
I
think
these
are
the
you
know-
guiding
principles
for
us
as
you
get
also,
I
want
to
be
able
to
give
the
same
flexibility
to
our
customers
as
well.
Hence
you
know
very
strong
alignment
with
openshift
that
I'm
looking
at
so.
A
If
so,
when
people
are
using
your
your
solution-
and
let's
just
say
that
there's
some
cloud
vendors
out
there
that
are
doing
everything
they
they
they
possibly
can
to
create
as
much
proprietary
lock-in
to
their
platform
as
possible
and
they're
and
they're
building
apps
using
joget
and
they're
running
on
this
platform,
and
then
at
some
point
they
decide.
We
hey
we're
getting
oracle's
all
over
again.
I
you
know,
I
can't
have
this.
A
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna,
move
to
you
know
that
platform,
and
you
know
hybrid
model
with
you
know
part
data
center,
there's
absolutely
no
rebuilding
of
anything
as
long
as
your
apps.
As
long
as
the
apps
were
built
using
your
functionality,
it's
just
that
they
can
just
pick
it
up
and
move
it
and
there's
no
re.
No,
you
know,
I
don't
even
know
if
recompiling
is
still
a
word
anymore,
but.
B
Yeah,
I
I
think
all
the
vendors
should
think
about
that
quite
frankly
mike
and
that's
something
that
you
know
drives
me
as
well
from
application
perspective.
If
I,
if
we
create
something
that
sticks
on
only
one
and
limits
the
customers
tomorrow,
it's
going
to
be
a
challenge
and
it's
a
risk.
Also,
I
mean,
if
you,
if
you
look
at
some
of
the
large
applications
that
I
build
and
I
get
logged
on,
it's
a
risk
as
well.
You
know
from
operations
perspective
so
on
and
so
forth.
B
So
I
think
that
flexibility
is
is
critical
and,
and
all
this
this
whole
fight
is
towards
cloud
is
obviously
creating
the
flexibility
and
all,
but
it
all
boils
down
to
the
bottom
line
as
well.
So
if
today
I
have,
you
know
just
think
about
a
scenario
when
I
have
the
application.
That
is
fluid.
I
want
to
go
on
cloud
a
cloud
b
cloud
c.
B
The
bottom
line
is
going
to
be
the
cost
also
tomorrow.
If
I
am
getting
that
same
flexibility
across
all
these
clouds,
then
my
success
is
going
to
be
ability
to
move
from
one
cloud
to
another
cloud
that
is
giving
me
an
efficient
or
cost
efficiency
as
well,
and
you
know
that's
where
it
boils
down
today.
B
A
Well,
I
I
kind
of
feel
like
I
have
been
just
bombarding
you
here
with
my
with
my
my
questions,
trying
to
trying
to
get
as
much
information
out
of
you.
How
how
are
you
folks
dealing
now
with
the
way
things
are
so,
as
I
said,
I've
been
with
you
in
san
diego
we've,
I'm
sure
we've
bumped
into
each
other
at
the
con
conventions
in
copenhagen-
and
you
know,
amsterdam
of
course,
as
we
know,
was
didn't
actually
happen
in
person.
B
Yeah,
actually,
in
fact,
just
a
plug-in
here
mike
you
know,
we
are
actually
planning
for
a
deeper
conversation
with
industry.
Analysts
regarding
you
know
this
whole
hybrid
cloud
and
you
get
and
how
you
know
it
can
work
together,
but
just
taking
a
step
back
with
what
has
happened
with
this
whole
pandemic
and
covered,
and
you
know
we
observe
that
customers
really
require
empathy
as
well.
B
B
They
wanted
to
get
their
manufacturing
customers,
they
wanted
to
get
their
employees
back
and
they
we
listen
to
them
and
and
help
them
roll
out
a
very
quick
application
on
joget
and
realize
that
not
just
them
all
the
customers
would
want
to
do
that.
So
we
have
started
releasing
a
few
applications
like
you
know:
temperature
scanning
application,
turbo
advisory,
absolutely
free,
go
to
joget
marketplace,
download
that
you
know-
and
you
know
just
go-
live
with
those
applications
and
best
part
is
you
know
you
can
download
and
change
them
based
on
your
needs?
B
There
is
a
customer,
you
know
employer,
employee
temperature
tracking
app.
If
you
want
to
automate
that
I
mean
you
can
come
in
here,
you
can
create.
You
know
all
your
employees
there,
it
issues
a
qr
code.
You
know
anyone
coming
in.
Stick
that
qr
code
on
track
their
temperature
very
very
quickly
to
be
able
to.
You
know,
help
our
customers
that
are
in
need
to
bring
their
workforce
back
or
you
know
if
their
workforce
is
back.
They
want
to
implement
some
processes
where
they
want
to.
You
know
track.
B
Some
of
these
things
we
have
tried
to.
You
know,
create
those
applications
and
roll
that
out
absolutely
free
of
cost
on
our
marketplace.
So
that's
something
that
we
are
doing
from
future
standpoint.
I
think
it
is
going
to
be
you
know.
World
has
changed
as
simple
as
that.
The
new
normal
is
is,
is
absolutely
different
than
what
we
were
in
you
know
in
earlier,
and
there
is
a
very
interesting
study
that
was
released
by
forester.
B
There
are
a
number
of
steps
there
was
still
manual
in
nature
and
that
amounts
to
70
percent
of
the
organization
will
still
have
to
further
automate
what
they
have
done
and
that's
an
interesting
number
to
look
at
and
when
you
are
talking
about
the
paper
processes
and
all
it
becomes
absolutely
essential
now
to
to
automate
that
and
we
are
seeing
the
demand
right
now
on
our
end
as
well.
Customers
are
just
coming
back
and
saying
that
we
were
having
this
paper
process.
I
want
to
go
online,
make
it
completely.
B
A
A
We
haven't
done
a
demo
or
any
any
technical.
You
know
in
the
weeds.
Let
me
show
you
how
to
edit
this
config
file
and
while
I
look
at
the
impact
on
the
you
know
the
outcome.
If
someone
wants
to
have
that
type
of
workshop,
is
it
do
you
folks
make
those
available?
Are
there?
Are
there
deep
dive,
technical
presentations
that
you
folks
put
on,
though
someone
who's
interested?
Can?
Actually
you
know
log
on
and
actually
get
their
hands
dirty,
so
to
speak.
B
Yes,
yes,
absolutely
so
we
have
plenty
of
resources
on
on
youtube
on
our
website
on.
You
know
on
actually
openshift
blogs
as
well,
so
plenty
of
tutorials
available
plenty
of
we
do
webinars.
We
do
deeper
webinars,
wherein
we
know
how
to
build
the
applications.
There
is
a.
There
is
a
really.
You
know
nice
video
to
look
at
openshift
and
joget.
You
can
start
with
the
openshift
cluster
and
you
want
to
build
an
application
and
boom
15
minutes.
B
B
A
Wonderfully,
I
wonder
if
someone
on
the
red
hat
team
on
the
call
here
could
post
the
link
to
that
webinar
that
we
did
because
they
it
was
on
the
devops.com
site.
So
hopefully
one
of
the
one
of
the
team
staffers
can
go
to
the
on-demand
site
and
pull
that
webinar
up
and
drop
it
in
the
link.
Here
I
remember
that
that
was
pretty
good.
A
That
was
a
little
bit
out
lower
than
my
pay
grade
or
above
my
pay
grade,
but
I
know
that
the
I
know
that
the
the
technical
people
on
the
call
found
it
really
interesting
and
very
helpful,
so
hopefully
that
that
will
pop
up
here
shortly
in
the
chat
for
people
so
we're
getting
close
to
the
end
of
the
hour.
What
I
don't
want
is
for
you
to.
We
hang
up
and
you
say
gosh.
You
know
I
had
an
entire
hour
to
address
much
of
the
world
on
mainstream
media.
B
B
However,
in
we
all
need
to
help
each
other
as
simple
as
that,
and
I
believe
and
and
the
the
other
reason
is
these
not-for-profits
may
not
have
you
know
application
developers
or
to
automate
their
business
processes
right
so
right,
you
know
with
joget,
they
will
be
able
to
do
it
fast.
They
will
be
able
to
do
it
easily
plenty
of
resources
available
online
to
learn
yoga.
You
don't
need
a
sophisticated
knowledge
to
get
started
with
yogurt
very
easy
to
do
very
easy
to
implement.
B
We
we
feel
this
is
our
way
of
giving
back
to
the
community
and
to
the
organizations
that
our
customers
believe
in
as
well.
So
you
know
just
a
quick
thing.
I
want
to
announce
today
and
that's
something
that
you
know
we
are
launching,
and
hopefully
our
customers
will
be
able
to
take.
You
know
benefit
out
of
this
program.
A
Well,
that
sounds
pretty
cool,
oh
and
if
people
look
in
chat,
you'll
notice
that
one
of
our
team
linked
the
the
webinar
that
we
did
with
with
with
ravish
and
joget
it
was
at
the
beginning
of
september.
I
think
anyways
it
it.
It's
gonna
be
on
there
online
on
the
devops
site
and
we
encourage
you
to
enjoy
it.
I
think
it
was
a
very
deep
dive
technical
discussion
with
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
really
cool
a
lot
of
really
cool
features
to
it.
A
I
think
we're
just
about
out
of
time.
I
can't
tell
you
how
happy
we
are
to
have
you
have
you
know
been
here.
You
know
you,
you
folks
are
a
great
partner
of
ours.
You
know
every
event
that
we
do
you're
at
you're,
supporting
us
with
with
press
activities
and
and
having
your
red
hat
certified
operator
available
for
openshift
and
and
having
you
know
your
your
commercial
offering
in
the
marketplace.
A
I
think
is
really
really
great,
so
always
happy
to
invite
you
to
participate
with
us,
because
you
folks
just
never
tell
us.
No,
I
can't
because
it's
always
yes,
I
can
and-
and
that's
that's
a
really
that's
a
really
great
thing
to
have.
You
know
we're
the
partners
so
ravish
duwan
president
and
ceo
of
joget.
A
B
A
B
Easily,
if
you
want
to
try
joget,
you
know
just
go
to
joget
cloud.com.
You
can
register
for
a
free
trial
14
days.
It
won't
even
ask
for
credit
card
and
there
is.
We
have
a
knowledge
base.
Dev.Joget.Org
very
easy.
I
mean
just
search
for
joget
knowledge
base
and
you
will
get
all
sorts
of
information
around
you
get
how
to
do
what
go
to
youtube's.
You
know
just
search
for
joget
and
you
will
be
able
to
get
a
lot
of
how
to
videos
how
to
get
started
with
your
get
so
on
and
so
forth.