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From YouTube: OCB: Fireside chat with Percona, a discussion around vendor lock-in and K8's Operators
Description
Vendor lock-in is called out as one of the biggest challenges by enterprise executives. In this talk, Percona will talk about how Kubernetes and Operators can help companies to run databases across multiple clouds using only open source tools. We will also show the demo of fully open source DBaaS that does exactly that.
A
All
righty
we
are
going
live
and
thank
you
everyone
for
joining
again.
This
is
the
openshift
commons
briefings
operator
hours
today
and
I'm
going
to
do
what
I
like
to
say.
Can
you
see
my
screen?
Yes,
today
we
are
lucky
enough
to
have
with
us
two
gentlemen
from
europe
representing
percona.
We
have
we
have.
We
have
roma,
the
technical
director
and
sergey
the
product
owner
from
percona.
C
A
You
know
we
we
were
doing
a
dry
run
of
this
conversation
the
other
day
and-
and
I
was
mentioning
to
sergey
on
the
phone-
I
said
yeah
it's
it's
really
cold
here
and
then
he
was
like
yeah,
it's
really
cold
here
and
and
I'm
in
the
I'm
in
the
north
of
boston,
and
I
was
like
yeah.
Well,
it's
nine
degrees
and
he
said
well,
you
know
it's
12
below
zero
here,
and
so
he
had
me
beat
but
anyways
thanks
for
thanks
for
for
joining
us
here
later
in
the
day.
C
B
I
actually
joined
recording
like
four
four
five
months
ago
as
a
product
owner
for
our
kubernetes
operators
and
cloud
initiatives
and
I'm
fairly
technical
as
well
and
before
the
corner.
I
was
working.
The
company
called
crossover.
It
is
like
a
huge
remote
first
company,
which
is
emerging
acquisition,
business
and
what
I
was
doing.
There
was
managing
engineering
and
operations
teams
and
we
were
building
kubernetes
as
a
service
database
as
a
service
vmware
as
a
service.
B
Everything
is
a
service
for
our
internal
companies
and
we
were
acquiring
a
lot
of
them
like
120
companies.
I
think
in
our
portfolio
and
hence
this
is
my
interest
in
recording,
because
now
they're
we're
here
at
the
corner,
building
dbas
database
as
a
service
on
kubernetes,
and
that
is
a
fascinating
time
to
change
the
world.
For
me,.
A
B
Yeah
yeah
yeah,
the
corner
was
founded
in
2006
exactly
by
peter
zaitsev
and
vadim
kachenko.
Peter
is
now
our
ceo
and
he's
also
wearing
hat
of
chief
product
officer
and
with
him
as
the
cto
before
that
they
were
working
in
my
my
sequel,
a
b,
and
that
is
why
I
guess
the
corner
is
a
day-to-day
company
and
we're
focusing
on
databases
mostly
because
our
books
are
coming
from
database
world
and
but
what
is
more
important,
the
corner
roots
are
all
about
open
source
and
my
sql
ap
was
great
company
started
my
sequel
right.
B
It's
used
by
lots
of
companies
nowadays
and
it
was
like,
I
believe,
it's
the
biggest
open
source
product
all
ever
knew
right
and
once
my
sequel,
a
b,
was
acquired
by
sun,
my
sequel.
It
started
to
shift
the
focus
to
revenue,
changing
business
models
and
over
promising
and
exactly
that
time,
peter
and
my
team
thought.
Okay,
something
is
wrong
here
and
we
need
to
start
the
corner
to
save
the
open
source,
values
and
record.
I
started
with
recorder
server
for
my
sql
and
the
corner.
B
A
B
I
think
two
years
ago,
over
a
year
and
a
half
and
the
way
we
see
operators
is
just
the
the
the
way
to
deploy
our
software
and
kubernetes
right
and
operators
is
a
great
tool
to
do
that
because
it
automates
everything
for
you
and
the
red
hat
marketplace
is
widely
used
by
the
community,
by
customers
by
users
and
for
us,
of
course,
it's
a
great
place
to
be,
and
that
is
where
we
put
a
lot
of
effort
to
certify.
There
is
a
lot
of
users
that
we
have
that
rely
on
our
operators.
B
B
B
B
B
A
B
Exactly
yeah
day
two
operations:
this
is,
I
believe
what
operators
should
be
solving
for
users
right,
because
deploying
is
easy
right.
You
can
just
roll
out
your
container,
but
what
you're
gonna
do
tomorrow,
when
you
need
to
take
a
backup
or
ensure
that
your
software
is
running
in
aha,
so
yeah.
This
is
where
operator
kicks
in.
A
B
C
A
By
the
way-
and
you
know
I
think,
everybody's
been
on
on
a
call
where
you
know
everyone's
video
conferencing
these
days
because
of
these
challenging
times,
and
you
hear
someone's
someone's
cat
rock
box
across
their
keyboard
or
their
dogs
barking.
In
the
background,
I
let
my
chickens
out
this
morning,
so
they're
they're
out
running
around
in
the
backyard.
So
if
you
hear
any
strange
squawking,
it's
it's
just
just
the
ladies
out
there
stretching
their
legs
okay.
B
Yeah
this
is
this
is
a
big
challenge,
because
my
sequel
506
is,
we
can
call
it
legacy
technology,
it's
pretty
old
right,
but
it
is
still
used
by
a
lot
of
people
and
even
on
amazon.
Just
aol
did
just
recently
and
what
we
are
doing
here
corner
because
for
corner
is
providing
support,
consultancy
and
managed
services
for
customers,
running
their
databases
and
what
we
are
doing
at
the
corner
we
are
providing.
B
I
don't
know
if
it
is
unfortunate
or
a
good
thing,
but
they
certainly
need
help
before
they
finalize
their
transition
to
the
next
version,
either
it's
five
seven
or
eight
zero
right
away,
but
yeah
it's
a
big
step
for
us.
It
is
a
big
challenge,
but
I
think
there
are
more
to
come
right.
I
mean
log
in
in
the
cloud.
This
is
a
big
challenge
as
well
and
we're
trying
to
solve
it
with
our
operators
and
the
best
platform
who
wants
to
give
customers
and
users
free
software
to
run
their
databases
anywhere.
B
A
B
A
B
Know
that
I
want
to
bring
it
up
right.
It's
like.
I
just
want
to
talk
more
about
operators,
because
this
is
my
baby
and
yeah.
So
there
are.
I
would
not
call
it
challenges,
but
running
data
on
kubernetes
is
challenging
and
there
is
a
community.
I
don't
know
if
you
heard
the
okay
data
on
kubernetes
community
and
I
I
believe
it's
soon
gonna
be
part
of
like
huge
cncf,
the
community
mature
room.
B
Is
we're
investing
a
lot
of
time
and
effort
to
run
your
databases
safely,
humane,
and
we
have
now
two
operators
for
mysql,
which
is
reconyx
radb
cluster,
with
a
synchronous,
replication
and
another
one
for
mongodb,
and
we
have
some
talks
by
our
team
members
where
we
honestly
compare
the
operators
from
other
companies
as
well,
and
what
we
see
is
that
not
many
companies
are
investing
their
time
and
money
into
operators.
Nowadays,
I
mean
we
see
operators
appearing
like
for
mariadb,
but
they
are
even
not
saying
that.
B
Okay,
this
is
the
our
operator's
production,
great
ready,
yeah
right
and
we're
saying
that
we
have
our
databases
running
in
production
for
many
customers
and
we're
solving
the
day-to-day
issues,
and
the
this
is
a
challenge,
because
operators,
and
especially
databases
and
kubernetes,
is
a
great
field
right
and
keeping
your
data
safe
in
kubernetes
is,
is
the
task
where
you
have
everything
so
ephemeral,
your
parts
coming
coming
and
going
your
nodes
are
going
up
and
down
all
the
time.
You
need
to
make
sure
that
your
data
is
there
back
up,
safe
and
consistent,
so
yeah.
A
You
can
put
them
in
put
them
in
the
in
the
chats
and
comment
window
and
our
and
our
producer,
chris
short,
will
make
sure
that
we
get
them.
We
get
them.
We
get
them
over
to
here,
so
roma
you're
going
to
talk
about
your
your
database
as
a
service.
I
know
that
that
was
a
key
thing
you
wanted
to
talk
about
here
today.
C
Yeah,
so
with
this
complexity
of
kubernetes
and
like
like
not
easy
for
regular
user
stuff
to
to
deploy
and
to
operate,
we
came
to
understand
it.
Okay.
But
what
can
we
do
to
simplify
people's
lives?
Because,
yes,
installing
databases?
It's
not
easy
work
but
work
directly
with
operators,
which
sometimes
also
requires
additional
knowledge.
So
we
start
thinking.
C
Okay,
what's
the
simplification
and
we
came
to
this
database
as
a
service
solution
to
let
user
deploy
and
create
have
databases
even
simpler,
even
more
in
more
easiest
ways
than
they
can
do
so
let
someone
configure
it
and
then
even
develop
to
let
even
developers
go
somewhere,
create
databases.
They
need
to
let
users
to
have
similar
experience
as
they
can
have
with
aws
and
other
systems,
but
based
on
their
own
infrastructure,
and
because
we
had
already
percona
manifold
management
tools.
C
C
B
Yeah,
if
I
can
add
something
sure,
michael,
if
you
don't
mind,
so
we're
not
only
simplifying
the
way
how
people
can
run
their
databases
because
well,
you
can
use
amazon
rds
if
you
want
to
simplify
running,
to
simply
run
my
postgresql
mysql
right.
But
what
we're
doing
more
here,
our
software
is
open
source
and
you
can
run
it
anywhere.
You
want
for
free
and
you
can
deploy
your
databases
on
any
other
kubernetes
class.
B
A
I
have
a
question
with
you
about
databases.
You
know
I
I
work
here
at
red
hat,
I'm
you
know
I
do
partner
marketing
activities
with
software
companies
like
yourselves
and
others,
and
I
talked
to
talked
to
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
different
software
companies
and
specifically
database
vendors.
We
have
we
have
lots
and
lots
of
database
vendors
that
you
know
certify
their
software
for
use
on
red
hat,
open
shift
and
red
hat
enterprise,
linux
and
so
forth.
A
B
Okay,
I'll
try
to
answer
that
one.
I
believe
roma
has
the
better
answer.
Yes,
he
knows
better,
but
from
my
standpoint,
if
you
ask
about
the
corner
white
recordings,
that's
why
we
have
this
software
right.
It's
it's
a
fair
question
right
and
for,
for
example,
if
we
take
requirement
server
for
mysql
right,
it
has
the
biggest
difference
from
regular
mysql
is
that
component
server
has
all
enterprise
features,
but
for
free
right
it
has
it
out
of
the
box,
and
you
can
use
it
right
away.
B
Instead
of
paying
to
oracle
a
lot
of
money,
you
can
use
procurement
server
for
mysql
for
free
and
the
same
goes
for
mongodb,
but
on
top
of
that
we
also
have
our
distributions
and
these
distributions.
You
have
great
packages
that
are
certified.
We
can
say
certified
fiber
corner
which
are
like
targeted
for
dba
usage,
so
that
you
can
keep
your
databases
up
at
night
without
any
issues
right.
B
A
Yeah,
that
does
I
mean,
but
it
so
is
it.
Are
there
different
workloads
that
that
that
you
know
your
product
versus
some
of
the
other
different
types
you
know
like
like?
What's
the
difference
between
mysql
nosql,
you
know
new
sql,
you
know.
Are
they?
Presumably,
there
must
be
different
workloads
that
each
of
those
different
types
of
databases
address.
Is
that
right.
B
Yeah
every
day
today
is
not
well.
Database
like
mysql
is
not
a
silver
bullet
right.
If
you
want
to
run
huge
analytics,
it
will
not
work
for
you.
You
need
to
use
something
else,
and
there
is
definitely
the
the
white
choice
between
the
database
engines
and,
if
you're,
just
asking
why
there
are
so
many
databases
out
there.
Well,
I
I
can
tell
you
that
each
product
solves
its
purpose
right
and
we
can
look
at
the
at
the
top
use
databases.
B
It's
still
postgres,
it's
still
mysql,
then
it's
one
with
be,
and
then
there
are
more
right
and
the
reason
why
they're
more
because
they
serve
some
some
some
some
goal
or
they
deliver
some
functionality,
which
others
don't
have
this.
This,
I
believe,
would
be
the
answer
right.
Obviously,
you
can
run
everything
on
mongodb.
B
B
B
Okay,
you
see
this
black
and
this
black
right.
Yes,
okay,
okay,
okay,
okay,
so
it
is
the
interface
of
our
corner,
monitoring
and
management.
It
is
open
source
again.
It
is
based
on
grafana
victoria
metrics
under
the
code,
and
we
also
use
passwords
here.
It's
all
open
source
products,
thankfully
packed
here,
and
what
I'm
going
to
show
you
today
is
our
dbas
preview.
So
what
it
does
here.
B
I
have
a
screen
where
you
can
add
your
kubernetes
cluster
and
you
just
submit
the
name
and
you
your
cubeconfig
file
and
that's
it,
and
once
you
have
the
cluster
up
and
running,
you
can
spin
up
databases
there.
I
already
have
one,
but
I'm
going
to
create
a
new
one,
just
to
just
to
show
that
so
I'll
call
it
a
level
and
I'll
choose
my
kubernetes
cluster
and
the
database
type
mysql.
B
We
also
have
mongodb
operator,
as
I
mentioned,
but
I
don't
have
one
would
be
operator
installed
on
plus,
so
I
can
only
choose
mysql
now
and
for
the
sake
of
simplicity,
I'll
run
single
node
cluster
and
you
can
choose
memory,
cpu,
it's
requests
and
cuban
is
in
the
disk
size.
This
size
is
a
resistant
volume
claim.
So
how
much
data
you
want
your
database
to
be
and
that's
it
then
you
click.
So,
let's
see.
B
I'll
run,
watch
yeah
I'll
click
create
cluster
and
right
here
I
have
my
kubernetes
and
console
connected
to
that.
So
you
see
now
spinning
up
the
pods
and
they're
in
the
nice
ui
you
have
processing
and
once
it's
active
means
your
database
is
up
and
running,
but
the
the
the
real
value
here
is
not
only
in
speeding
up
the
databases
right,
because
we
discussed
spinning
up
and
deploying
the
database
is
quite
easy,
but
it's
also
managing
them,
so
you
can
scale
them
up
once
it's
up,
you
can
edit
it.
B
You
can
view
its
logs
and
also
we're
going
to
add
the
functionality
to
take
manual,
backups
point
in
time,
recovery
and
everything
else.
It's
also
it's
already
available
in
the
operator,
but
it's
not
yet
in
the
in
the
ui
and
then
the
other
big
thing
here,
which
is
the
great
value
of
recording
monitoring
and
management,
is
our
monitoring
itself
right
because
it
was
built
for
that.
B
B
B
B
B
A
B
A
B
B
B
A
B
Definitely
put
10
here,
but
it
is
not
recommended
for
pxc,
not
the
operator,
not
the
kubernetes,
but
for
pxe
to
run
more
than
5
nodes
for
mongodb.
It
won't
be
a
problem.
You
can
have
nothing
issue,
but
for
pxe
as
long
as
it's
it
relies
on
synchronous,
replication
running
more
than
five
nodes
is
kind
of
challenging
because
it
means
it
needs
to
write
synchronously
on
all
the
I
know
x
and
notes.
It's
a
lot.
B
A
Well,
last
year
percona
live,
you
re.
You
released
the
the
the
open
source
data
management
software,
the
survey
results
and
I
was
going
over
those
the
other
day
and
you
know
there's
lots
of
companies
that
put
out.
You
know,
survey
results,
but
you
know,
certainly
you
know
database,
probably
one
of
the
more
core.
You
know
business
apps
out
there,
so
you
want
to
share
with
us
the
results
of
that
here.
C
C
Another
point
is
that
22
percent
of
companies
said
they
spend
more
on
the
using
cloud
solutions
cloud
vendors
than
they
have
expected,
so
their
plans
to
for
cloud
was
cloud.
Expenses
was
much
lower
than
than
they've
got,
and
that's
where,
where
we
do
like
additional
difference
from
per
corner
product
from
even
upstreams,
we
use
we
already
make
and
ship
them
pre-optimized
for
performance.
So
with
rich
feature.
We
also
make
ensure
that
what
making
what
we
can
do
to
make
in
default
configuration
products
running
more
efficient
and
give
people
more
options
to
optimize.
C
A
C
A
A
C
C
The
interesting
again,
that's
the
fact
related
to
to
simplicity
of
database
management.
People
start
like
previously
like
10
years
ago.
Probably
the
updating
database
server
was
like.
Oh
that's,
this
big
a
huge
deal
because
you
you
need
to
do
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
stuff.
So
it's
like
you
need
to
prepare
the
downtime
right
now.
We'll
do
two
three
upgrades
of
their
databases
over
the
year
and
there's
no
way
to
do
this
in
a
old
way.
It's
like
you
can
do
this,
but
this
will
be
so
expensive.
C
B
A
I
I
think
it
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
that
you
know
performance
is
obviously
a
top
consideration,
as
well
as
as
well
as
security
right.
So
I
know
a
lot.
A
lot
of
the
vendors
that
we
work
with
are
really
focused
on.
You
know
securing
those
workloads
in
the
cloud
because
it
doesn't
matter
if
it
doesn't
matter
if
it
works
great.
If
someone
cannot
have
access
to
your
to
your
your
database,
then
you've
got
serious
problems.
A
C
C
C
C
C
B
A
A
A
I
don't
remember
me,
no,
I
guess
they
finally
did
refund
us
eventually,
but
so
so
speaking
of
these
challenging
times,
how
are
you
guys
finding?
You
know
the
world
that
we
live
in
these
days
and
you
know
and
customers
you
know
is
it
is.
Is
everyone?
Is
it
getting
quiet?
Is
it
getting
busy?
What's
the
what's
the
net
change
for
you,
folks.
B
B
B
A
B
C
A
Well,
so
what
about
predictions
not
about
covid
and
when
the
vaccines
are
going
to
be
rolling
out?
But
you
know,
where
do
you
think
computing
is
going
to
be
18
to
24
months
is?
Are
we
are
we
there
is,
is
kubernetes
it
or
is
it
is
kubernetes
going
to
become
the
next
open
stack
and
then
there'll
be
some?
Some
new
shiny
object,
that'll
be
coming
down
the
pipe.
B
A
Well,
you
remember,
was
2000
and
whenever,
like
you
know,
the
openstack,
you
know,
conferences
were
like
really
huge
and
it
was
just
like
openstack
this
openstack
that
neutron
and
cinder
and
and
everybody
was
on
board.
This
is
the
next
generation
thing,
and,
and
now
it
you
know
no
offense
to
to
openstack,
but
it
seems
to
be
you
know
very
niche
focused
in
the
in
the
telco
space
and
with
some
very,
very
large
customers,
and
now
with
now
it's
kubernetes.
B
I
don't
know
I
I
believe
in
in
terms
of
if
we
talk
about
the
predictions
in
terms
of
q
and
a's.
I
I
see
cuban
age
now
and
I
think
I
think
brandon
burns
told
that
that
kubernetes
now
is
a
ms-dos
right
and
slowly
it's
going
to
evolve
and
to
have
windows,
95
and
then
to
windows,
10
and
then
something
greater.
B
So
there
is
a
trend
like
you
can
see.
Recent
announcement
of
google
g
key
autopilot
right.
So
there
is
a
trend
to
making
kubernetes
sellers
and
I
believe
in
24
months,
we're
gonna
and
in
this
period
from
today
to
24
months,
we're
going
to
see
a
lot
more
announcements
like
that
which
are
going
to
extract
kubernetes
from
developers
and
and
everyone
right.
B
In
terms
of
other
predictions,
we
had
the
good
we
have
haas,
it
is
matt
yankovic.
He
is
our
open
source
guy.
He
does
great
predictions
for
every
year
and
for
2021
he
had
three
bold
predictions
and
I
can
quickly
go
through
them
that
one
of
them
was
that
dba
rule
and
regular
systems
they're
going
to
not
not
vanish,
but
they're
going
to
be
merged
with
other
rules
like
as
a
and
developers.
B
So
there
will
be
no
any
more
like
a
dedicated
dba,
for
example,
we're
going
to
have
an
srv,
slash,
developer,
who's,
going
to
run
databases
because
the
databases
are
simplifying
more
and
more,
and
the
data
operations
are
now
easier.
So
you
don't
need
to
manage
your
underlying
hardware
for
your
database.
For
example,
you
need
to
manage
your
database
itself
like
queries
and
so
on,
and
you
don't
need
a
dedicated
system
administrator
to
do
that.
A
B
B
But
at
the
same
time
we
see
that
big
companies
like
amazon,
microsoft,
they
invest
a
lot
into
open
source
and
while
open
source
vendors,
traditional
open
source
vendors
like
mongodb,
elasticsearch
or
radius,
they
are
introducing
more
restrictive
licenses
for
their
software.
So
it's
kind
of
cheap.
Today
enterprises
are
investing
a
lot
into
open
source
and,
like
cool
the
old-fashioned,
open
source
companies,
they
are
closing
their
source
of
changing
the
licenses
and
it
is
interesting
what
is
happening
nowadays
and
the
corner.
B
Our
motto
is
to
keep
open
source
open
and
we
want
to
continue
doing
that
in
any
way
and
and
the
the
third
big
prediction
is
that
consumers
and
users
will
revolt
against
this
open
source
shenanigans
right,
so
you
can
see
how
it
turned
out
for
docker
right.
They
started
playing
these
games
where
they
locked
people
out
and
limiting
they'd
done
loads
of
images
from
docker
hub,
and
it
turned
out
that
a
lot
of
people
decided
okay.
B
I
want
to
move
to
quiet,
for
example,
where
I
will
run
my
whole
registry
and
yeah,
and
the
this
might
be
the
community
and
other
companies.
The
part
I
mean
if
open
source
is
changing
their
model,
people
will
will
not
believe
until
in
open
source
x
anymore,
and
they
will
turn
towards
enterprises
over
other
companies.
A
I
was
gonna,
I
was
gonna
say
that
was
pretty
surprising.
I
mean
doc.
Docker
was
the
biggest
thing
since
sliced
bread.
You
know
what
four
four
years
ago
I
mean.
Obviously
docker
the
technology
is,
is
still
you
know
mainstream,
but
given
that
so
many
people
from
red
hat
left
red
hat
to
go
over
to
docker,
it's
amazing
to
see
how
they
couldn't
keep
it
together.
Not
that
not
not
that
they're
gone,
but
it
certainly
didn't
play
out
the
way
that
I
think
they
were
expecting
it
to.
A
B
C
I
would
say
that
they
continue
like,
in
addition
to
open
source.
It's
like
we
are
trying
to
and,
like,
I
hope,
successfully
avoid
any
vendor
login
for
for
you,
people
who
use
we're
going
to
product
so,
like
any
click
on
a
product
you
can
switch
from
for
database
for
like
we're
going
to
server
from
my
sequel,
you
can
use
my
sql
server
from
oracle.
You
can
switch
to
progress
server.
You
can
switch
back,
it's
if
you
not
use
them
like
really
specific
it
should
it
will
work.
A
A
Yes,
yeah
all
right,
so
q,
a
what's
next
calls
to
action,
make
sure
you
check
them
out.
You
know
on
github
head
over
to
their
to
their
main
website
and
learn
about
their
kubernetes
operators,
and
I
noticed
that
you
didn't
put
your
home
phone
numbers
up
here.
Sergey!
It's
just
just
email
addresses
well.