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From YouTube: OCB: Book Recommendations From 2020 Briefings - Diane Mueller, Jabe Bloom (Red Hat) and Guests
Description
It's been a long 2020, and over the past year, Red Hat's Jab Bloom and Diane Mueller have had numerous guests that made reference a huge list of books on DevOps, Digital and Organzational Transformation and Cultural Shifting. In this session, we'll share some of our favorites, give a review or two of the ones that we managed to actually read, ask the audience to share their recommendations and compile a list for your holiday lockdown reading pleasure.
A
A
Who
came
a
couple
weeks
back
and
and
then
then,
if
it
sparks
joy,
as
maria
condo
would
have
said,
then
I
may
go
and
download
it
to
my
kindle
and
read
it,
and
if
it
doesn't
spark
joy
or
it
doesn't
trick
my
interest.
It
usually
goes
right
out
of
the
back
of
my
brain
and
so
one
of
the
the
things
that
we're
going
to
try
and
do
today
and
hopefully
jabe,
is
on
board.
A
I
don't
know
20
years
or
so
that
we've
been
reading
books
about
organizational
change,
computer
science
devops
as
it
arose
and
other
things
that
influence
us
about
cultural
shifts
and
you
know
relationship,
maybe
building.
I
think
a
couple
of
them
how
to
win
friends
and
influence
people
became
one
of
the
things
that
andrew
suggested.
We
we
recommend,
but
I'm
also
going
to
tell
this
story
about
this
book.
I
don't
have
slides
today,
and
this
may
be
coming
out
backwards.
A
If
you
can't
read
it
it's
the
mythical
man
month
and
back
when
I
was
in
computer
science
in
the
dark
ages,
it
was
the
book
that
was.
It
was
a
text
book
basically
by
frederick,
brooks
jr
an
ibmer
and
it
came
out
in
1975,
so
it
was
10
years
old
by
the
time.
I
first
read
it
already,
but
it
really
shaped
the
way
that
I
thought
about
software
engineering
and
teams
and
communication
between
teams,
and
I
think
one
of
the
key
things
that
takeaways.
A
That,
for
me,
was
adding
more
resources
to
a
team,
didn't
always
help
the
project
go
faster
like
if
I
could
say
that
the
the
one
underlying
thread
that
I
walked
away
with
that
has
always
influenced
me
is
how
important
the
lines
of
communications
were,
and
the
myth
of
adding
more
people
to
a
project
doesn't
help
it
get
done
any
faster.
So
if
you
haven't
read
this
book
yet
I
don't
know
jay,
have
you
read
mythical
man
months?
You
must
have
well.
When
did
you
read
it
and
how?
What
did
you
get
from
it?.
B
So
I
read,
I
read
mythical
man
month,
I
think,
maybe
maybe
18
years
ago,
like
early
in
my
career,
I
read
it.
It's
actually
got
another
really
interesting
book
about
on
design
theory,
more,
that's
more
general
design
theory,
but
I
think
that,
like
there's
a
couple
really
interesting
things.
Brooks's
law,
of
course,
is
really
famous
from
that
book
and
it
involves
like
understanding
teams
as
being
like
a
communication
network,
and
I
think,
that's
really
been
super
influential
in
agile
and
the
way
that
people
imagine
like
the
two
pizza
team
theory.
B
So
that's
I
think,
that's
super
important
I
used
to
when
I
was
early
in
my
dissertation
on
temporality,
I
used
to
talk
a
lot
about
how
the
way
that
he
uses
the
the
metaphor
of
a
woman
being
pregnant
as
a
way
as
a
form
of
time
that
can't
be
collapsed
as
a
way
of
talking
about
like
duration
or
the
way
just
sometimes
it
takes
time
to
do
things
and
trying
to
give
people
like
a
better
idea
of
how
to
identify
those
moments.
I
think
that's
kind
of
interesting.
A
Yeah,
so
so
that
was
that
was
for
me,
probably
one,
one
of
because
it
was
a
textbook.
I
had
to
read
it
right,
it
was
assigned
and
we
were
yeah
and
so
brooks
law
sort
of
influenced
everything
else
or
the
ways
that
we
thought
about
things.
But
recently
there's
been,
you
know
not
recent.
Let's,
let's
talk,
let's
go
historically
a
little
bit
the
I
want
to
call
it
the
fifth
element.
I
know:
that's
not
it's
not
the
name
of
the
book,
but
peter's
peter
sangat's
book.
That's
the
fifth
discipline.
A
A
B
A
The
guy
who
basically
started
the
whole
genre
or
the
the
cons
concepts
around
it
and
and
frankly
I
I
did
one
of
those
things
nodding
every
time
someone
said
systems
thinking
I'd,
be
like
yeah,
oh
yeah.
I
know
what
that
is,
and
I
never
really
read
the
book
and
never
really
got
it.
I
conceptually
got
it,
but
so
this
week
in
between
other
zoom
meetings,
I
looked
at
the
book
list
that
we
generated
here
and
went
and
watched
the
three-minute
synopsis
of
the
book.
A
A
Those
were
they
were
one
system
and
one
way
we
were
one
with
that
and
when
the
separation,
when
we
started
separating
humans
from
nature
that
created
another
layer
of
systems
above
it
which
said
the
separation
and
the
the
story
that
he
tells
and
I'm
going
to
bash
it.
So
you
should
watch
the
video
is.
He
says
he
talks
about
plugging
in
his
iphone
or
whatever
phone.
A
It
is
into
the
wall
socket
and
getting
electricity,
and
we
don't
even
think
about
the
complexity
of
the
systems
behind
that
we
just
do
it
so,
and
so
the
electricity
is
coming
from
coal
or
electric
powered
nuclear
power
plants,
and
he
basically
says
something
like
yeah:
it's
all
dead
right.
You
know,
though,
that
is
nature.
It's
coming
from
nature
and
ignoring
that
system.
B
A
Thinking
about
when
we
do
things,
he
tells
a
wonderful
story
about
growing
up
in
l.a
and
the
orange
groves
and
the
lemongrass
and
the
how
beautiful,
los
angeles
was
when
he
was
a
young
child
and
getting
to
play
outside
and
how,
in
his
lifetime
the
10
years
of
his
lifetime,
he
went
from
being
able
to
play
outside
to
having
smog
alerts
and
all
the
orange
groves
and
lemongrass
and
everything
else
were
being
cut
down
and
what
he
said.
What
that
sparked?
A
My
interest
really
was
that,
had
you
asked
the
developers-
and
you
know
the
private
contractors
who
were
plowing
down
the
lemon
groves
and
the
orange
groves?
If
they,
you
know,
if
they
wanted
to
just
you
know,
if
they
intentionally
wanted
to
destroy
the
air
or
if
they
were
wanted
to
intentionally,
have
their
children
grow
up
in
a
place
where
there
was
no
place
to
play
outside?
A
B
Thinking
from
like
von
barton,
awfully
and
stuff
like
that,
these
guys
were
basically
concerned
with
with
the
way
in
which
the
study
in
the
university,
especially
in
the
sciences,
was
fragmenting
so
like
that
they
couldn't
explain
how
physics
and
biology
work
together.
They
basically
were
like
these
are
two
different
levels
and
they
don't
appear
to
align
usefully
any
anyway
and
so
systems.
B
A
A
A
A
A
B
B
I
always
assumed
that
people,
like
ken
already
had
systems
thinking
on
board,
but
it's
clearly
something
that
he
is
still
engaged
with
grappling
with,
which
is
kind
of
interesting
anyway.
The
cengage
book
is
great
because
it
basically
takes
all
of
those
like
kind
of
more
cybernetic
systems,
theories
about
kind
of
machine
interactions
and
human
interactions,
with
machines
and
stuff
like
that,
and
that
just
makes
it
almost
purely
about
a
social
system
which
I
think
is
kind
of
interesting.
Some
really
interesting
insights
in
there
and
the
like.
B
The
most
kind
of
contemporary
version
of
that
is
called
theory
you,
which
is
also
taught
at
nyu,
I'm
sorry
at
mit
and
that's
yes,
it's
another
kind
of
like
system
transition
like
system
movement
set
of
theories
about
how
systems
move
and
how
they
change
and
how
they
become
other
things
which
I
think
is
kind
of,
like
a
fascinating
version
of
what
systems
becomes
so
and
and
the
fifth
discipline
the
fifth
discipline
being
system.
Thinking
by
the
way
is.
B
A
B
Yeah,
I
mean
so
the
thing
that
I
always
encourage.
People
like
design
thinking
as
it
has
arisen
recently
from
ideo
right,
which
is
a
kind
of
a
particular
form
of
design.
Thinking
is
not
my
favorite
version
of
design
thinking
additionally,
like
I,
I
think
that
most
human-centered
design
is
pretty
confused
and
actually
probably
really
dangerous.
B
And
often
when
people
say
what
is
design,
they
want
to
say
it's
either
an
art
or
a
science,
so
there's
actually
stuff
called
design
sciences
which
actually
emerged
from
carnegie,
mellon
originally
and
then
there's
and
herbert
simon
and
people
like
that,
and
then
there's
another
kind
of
version
of
it
where
design
is
aesthetics
and
therefore
probably
belongs
in
the
humanities,
and
the
current
part
department
that
I'm
in
right
now
the
school
of
design
is
in
fact
in
the
humanities.
Department.
B
Cross's
argument
is
that
design
should
be
treated
as
a
peer
of
the
other
two,
that
it
is
in
fact
not
a
science,
and
it
is
also
not
a
a
humanity.
It's
actually
a
third
way
of
kind
of
thinking
about
knowing
about
being
in
the
world
and
that
because
it's
so
radically
under
theorized
right
now,
so
people
don't
have
a
really
good
idea.
What
design
is
they
don't
realize
that
you
know
in
the
same
way
that
you
kind
of
talk
to
your
kids
these
days
about
like
they
need
to
be
science
literate?
B
They
need
to
be
literate,
they
need
to
be
able
to
read
and
understand
kind
of
narratives
and
stories
in
order
to
kind
of
enjoy
the
world
that
we
live
in.
You
know
to
to
understand
how
a
movie
works
or
how
a
poem
works
or
all
those
things.
Those
are
humanities-based
structures
right
and
so
most
people
would
argue.
I
think
most
people
would
argue
that
you
have
to
be
able
to
read
a
newspaper
to
be
a
you
know,
participant
in
a
modern
democracy,
all
kinds
of
so
and
then
you
can
say
like
science.
B
Literacy
is
a
hugely
important
thing
that
people
need
to
be
better
at
and
we
pay
a
huge
penalty
for
the
lack
of
science
literacy
in
the
united
states.
Right
now
you
know-
and
you
could
say
things
like
sustainability
and
the
ecological
crisis
are
based
in
a
lack
of
scientific
literacy.
So
that's
another
set
of
literacies
that
are
important
and
then
the
last
one
that
cross
would
argue
is
that
all
of
us
are
engaged
in
the
same
way
we're
all
engaged
in
scientific
discussions,
whether
we're
literate
about
them
or
not.
B
The
same
way
we're
discus
kind
of
engaged
in
humanities
discussions
by
telling
stories
narratives
all
of
us
basically
design
things
all
the
time
we
we
put
our
room
together
in
a
certain
way.
We
we
organize
things
in
a
certain
way.
We
organize
our
computers
systems
in
certain
ways.
All
of
us
are
designing
things,
but
for
some
reason
you
start
learning
about
science
and
humanities
in
grade
school,
and
no
almost
no
almost
everyone
graduates
from
college
without
having
a
formal
design
education
in
any
useful
way.
B
The
the
the
most
most
people
get
out
of
kind
of
a
design.
Literacy
is,
maybe
they
go
into
an
engineering
program,
and
then
they
learn
like
a
version
of
design
which
is
kind
of
a
a
science
influenced
version
of
design
so
that
they
understand
how
to
put
things
together
in
scientifically
valid
kind
of
ways
like
I
can
build
a
bridge
now.
Yeah.
B
Not
like
the
day-to-day
everyday
way
of
being
that
all
of
us
kind
of
always
engage
in
how
could
children
and
adults
think
better
about
again
like
putting
your
room
together
and
what's
the
value
of
that,
and
I
think
there's
this
significant
huge
value
in
that
in
that
right
now
you
know
most
of
the
world
is
designed.
Most
of
the
world
has
been
designed
by
someone.
B
Almost
all
of
the
world
is
artificial.
It's
not
natural
anymore
right.
You
don't
interact
with
nature
directly
and
therefore
like
having
some
understanding
of
how
it
got
that
way
like
how
people
who
designed
it
were
thinking
so
that
you
could
critique
it.
You
could
engage
it
so
that
you
have
some
literal
literary
engagement
in
this
idea
that,
like
the
physical
world
around
you
that's
been
designed,
is
shaping
your
lifestyle.
B
A
But
it
is,
I
can
remember,
reading
it
the
first
time
going
not
having
any
aha
moments,
because
it
was
all
I'd
been
doing
this
kind
of
work
for
a
long
time.
I
was
just
really
glad
that
there
was
like
a
primer
for
it,
but
the
thing
that
felt
missing
was
for
me:
initially
was
the
science
side
of
it,
the
data-driven
aspect
of
it.
Let's
really
look
at
how
all
of
these
people
are
connected,
and
why-
and
so
I
I've
been
like
in
the
back
of
my
on
the
back
burner.
A
I've
been
like
thinking
of
writing
the
corollary
to
that
the
science
of
community
development,
you
know
or
beyond,
beyond
doing
it
by
gut
or
whatever,
but
this,
but
since
I've
been
hanging
out
with
you
guys
and
your
design
thinking
and
the
systems
thinking
and
doing
these
organizational
stuff.
I
actually
think
that
what
I
would
like
to
see
is
to
go
back
a
step
and
to.
B
A
About
how
how
open
source
communities
were
designed,
you
know
how
they,
how
they
were.
Actually
you
know
because
they
were
intentionally
created.
There
was
an
intention
behind
them
to
facilitate
and
how
they've
grown
and
how
those
intentions
have
changed
and
how
the
systems
underneath
all
of
those
open
source
communities
that
that
I
work
in
and
and
ecosystems
and
and
how
that
influences
where
we
are
right
now
and
sometimes
where
we're
stuck
right
now
and
when
we
have
all
these
conversations
about
diversity
and
inclusivity
and
we're
trying
to
retrofit
our
communities
to
be.
B
Community
or
organizational
design
in
general,
just
as
a
general
practice
like
most
of
like,
if
you
wanted
to
learn
organizational
design
and
it's
not
community
design,
it's
not
exactly
what
you're
talking
about.
What
do
you
want
to
learn
about
organizational
design?
You'd
go
and
get
an
mba,
they
teach
you
about
like
boxes
and
arrows,
and
you
know
spans
of
control
and
the
the
it's
not
really
a
design
activity.
It's
it's
like
organizational
engineering
activity
right,
it's
not
really
about
how
systems
work,
how
social
systems
work
and
then
to
extend
that.
B
It's
also
not
clear
that
organizational
design
understands
socio-technical
theories
of
design
in
which,
like
there's
a
social
system,
that's
mediated
through
a
technical
system.
In
other
words
like
you-
and
I
are
talking
through
technology
right
now.
How
does
that
influence
our
relationship
and
how
we,
what
we
know
about
each
other
and
how
we
communicate-
and
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
that
involved,
especially
when
we
look
at
kind
of
organizations
like
open
source,
where
you
know
everything
is
heavily
mediated
through
ticketing
systems
and
emails,
and
you
know
all
these
types
of
things.
B
A
A
How
you
pronounce
it
and
she's,
really
talking
a
lot
about
online
communities
and
how
they
all
interact,
and
I
have
not
read
the
book
but
just
on
brandon's
recommendation.
It
is
on
my
actual
I'm
going
to
read
this
book
list
here.
So
that's
that
when
we're
talking
about
community
development
and
open
source,
I
think
maybe
some
of
the
systems
thinking
the
design
thinking
books
are
on
my
my
reading
list
and
and
if
you
haven't
read
the
art
of
community
or
the
mythical
man
month.
A
Those
are
two
that
I'd
definitely
recommend
and
this
looking
for
new
books
and
new
new
ways
of
thinking
about
stuff
those.
Those
were
the
kind
of
the
things
that
I'm
probably
going
to
read
this
year,
the
other
one
that
came
up
recently,
because
you
know
when
your
boss
recommends
you
to
read
a
book
for
a
meeting
you
you
know
you
normally
do
and,
and
my
one
of
my
many
bosses-
and
I
have
lots
of
them
at
red
hat-
is
how
I
always
like
to
phrase
it
suggested.
A
A
There
you
go
and-
and
I
started
reading
it-
and
I
I
shared
this
with
you
earlier
before
this
this
this
chat
I
started
reading
it
and
at
first
I
really
liked
it.
I
know
a
lot
of
people
at
netflix
and
netflix
has
done
some
great
open
source
work
and
adrian
cockroft
and
chaos.
Monkey
there's
lots
of
people
that
and
lots
of
people
and
great
projects
that
have
come
out
of
netflix,
so
I've,
and
so
I
was
reading
it
with
the
curiosity
of
oh.
A
You
know
whether
they're
a
fit
in
the
group-
and
you
know
they
they
have
a
whole.
I
think
chapter
on
getting
rid
of
jerks.
You
know
even
if
they're,
brilliant,
but
they're
a
jerk
and
they
don't
fit
in.
You
know
that
which
is
sort
of
a
bow
to
the
silicon
valley.
Cultural
of
you
know
startups
that
are,
you
know.
I
think
I've
been
in
a
few
of
them
where
they're
they're
led
by
people
who
are
somewhere
on
the
the
manic
schism
up
there.
A
A
They
onboard
people
from
diverse
backgrounds
and
stuff
like
that,
but
it
really
read
like
just
hire
the
best
of
the
best
and
make
sure
they
fit
their
organizational
fit
and
but
it
didn't
seem
to
to
have
a
part
of
it,
and-
and
maybe
I
missed
it,
so
I'm
going
to
go
back
and
read
it
again
for
raising
people
up
for
growing
people
so
like.
If
you
were
mediocre
and
passionate
you
weren't
going
to
get
that
that
that
inspiration.
A
B
I
I
you
know,
I
I
know
a
lot
of
people
at
at
netflix.
I
think
it's
a
super,
interesting
culture.
I
think
there's
there's
a
lot
of
kind
of
influence
on
individuation.
You
know
responsibility,
freedom
and
and
the
kind
of
way
that
those
two
things
work
together
to
create
a
system
is
interesting.
It's
not
there's.
Definitely
some
fishy
parts
about
the
book.
I
think
that's
just
made
me
not
super
comfortable.
B
I
I
you
know
to
one
extent
it's
kind
of
like
if
you
have
as
much
money
as
netflix
or
spotify
or
google.
Well,
maybe
you
can
go
out
and
hire
quote
unquote
the
best
people
in
the
world
whatever
that
means,
but
that's
maybe
not
great
advice
for
most
of
the
planet,
because
you
know
you
can't
not.
Everybody
can
afford
this
type
of
kind
of
salaries
that
netflix
and
and
google
are
putting
out
there
these
days.
B
So
you
know,
I
think
I
think
it
it
it's
describing
a
set
of
solutions
where
you're
not
sure
why
they
work.
I
you
know
I've
said
a
bunch
of
times
in
the
past.
Like
you
know,
you
look
at
something
like
spotify
and
they
claim
how
happy
their
developers
are
and
blah
blah
blah.
And
it's
like
hey
give
me
six
billion
dollars
to
burn
in
the
in
a
garbage
can,
and
you
know,
and
no
expectation
of
profits.
B
A
Gebaru
being
resignated
from
your
ai
ethics
team,
you
know
you
still
don't
have
ethical
hr
processes,
you
know
so
it's
you
know
you
can
have
six
billion
dollars
to
burn,
but
you
still
burn
people
and
you
burn
people
out
and
it's
not
and
we
at
red
hat,
we
always
pride
ourselves.
I
guess
and
pride
go
with
before
the
horse
or
the
cart
or
whatever,
but
on
being
open
and
transparent
culture
and
and
growing
people
too.
A
You
know
and
helping
people,
and
so
I
think
one
and
the
other
thing
that
we
always
say
is
that
diversity
and
inclusivity
is
what
brings
innovation
to
the
party
right.
So
if
everybody's
doing
group
think
and
everybody's,
even
if
you're,
all
passionate
and
the
top
of
your
game,
you're
hiring
passionate
top
of
the
game
people.
So
it's
almost
like
you're
boxing
yourself
in
you
may
be
super
innovative
and
coding,
geniuses
and
you're
going
to
write
the
next
tensorflow
or
whatever
it
is
or
that.
A
But
I
think
it's
telling
us
in
some
ways
at
google
that
kubernetes
was
called
the
borg
before
it
was
called
kubernetes
at
google,
and
it
was
the
borg
or
a
piece
of
the
board,
I'm
sure
I'm
getting
the
history
quite
wrong
or
not,
but
it.
But
it's
like
that
borg,
like
thinking
comes
even
when
you
have
the
best
of
the
best,
the
most
highly
paid
group
of
people.
If
you
don't
have
things
that
grow
your
organization-
and
I
think
that's
that
was
the
thing
and
there's
lots
of
books
out
there.
B
There's
a
great
there's,
a
great
book
that
I
used
to
when
I
was
a
consultant.
I
had
a
requirement
if
you
wanted
to
work
with
me
that
you
had
to
read
this
one
particular
book.
It
was
it's
actually
quite
small
and,
and
I
love
the
printing
of
it.
The
printing
is
like
this
beautiful
small
book
and
and
the
book
is
called
teaching
smart
people
how
to
learn
and
it's
by
edgar
shine
and
and
it's
amazing,
because
it's
partial,
I'm
sorry
by
chris
argiers.
B
It's
amazing
because
part
of
what
he
basically
says
part
of
the
basic
argument
of
the
book
is
that
the
the
smartest
people
you
know
have
the
most
difficulty
learning
and
the
reason
is
because
they
fail
less
frequently
than
other
people
and
really
part
of
what
he's
pointing
out
there.
Is
that,
like
people,
don't
call
them
on
their
enough
like
they
don't
know
how
to
accept
criticism.
B
It
tries
to
hide
the
problems
instead
and
I
think
it's
a
really
super
interesting
book,
and
you
know
one
of
the
reasons
I
used
to
have
people
read.
It
was
because
I
did
so
much
kind
of
management
consulting
and
those
people
in
particular
managers.
Middle
managers,
vps
executives.
They
don't
really
ever
want
to
hear
about
what
they
aren't
doing.
B
Well,
you
know,
and
so
you
have
to
kind
of
show
them
that
book
and
say,
like
you
know,
arguments
like
meritocracy
and
these
other
kind
of
arguments
about
like
having
the
best
people
around
you
at
all
times
stuff,
like
that.
All
of
those
things
can
be
very
useful
if
you
know
exactly
where
you
want
to
go,
but
when
you
engage
in
situations
with
uncertainty,
having
certain
people,
people
who
are
certain
of
their
beliefs
walk
into
uncertain
situations
is
a
really
good
way
to
get
everyone
killed.
B
The
less
certainty
we
have
about
their
outcomes
and
the
more
valuable
it
becomes
to
you
know
have
people
who
think
of
being
smart,
as
you
know,
capable
of
re
continuously
re-examining
their
beliefs
right.
You
know
the
the
the
silly
socrates
quote,
you
know
I
I
I
know
one
thing
that
everybody
else
doesn't
know
and
that's
that
I
know
nothing
and
and
the
way
in
which
the
socratic
method
is
designed
to
basically
teach
you
that
you
don't
know
anything.
B
A
I
don't
want
to
espouse
his
theories
or
anything
but
tim
ferriss
lately
during
covid
I
have
gone
back
to
him
and
his
four
hour
work
week,
the
four
hour
chef
and
the
four
hour
body
series
which
I
bought
all
the
hard
copies
of
and
they
sat
on
my
shelf
and
but
during
covid
I've
picked
them
up
and
they've
been
I've
been
reading
him
again,
which
is
quite
interesting
because
he's
more
of
a
a
90s
or
early
2000s
dude.
You
know
it
came
up.
A
B
Interested
in
reading
the
netflix
book,
because
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
people
kind
of
forget
about
netflix
is
that
it.
It
is
a
good
example
of
an
actual
transformation,
unlike
all
the
other
fangish
organizations
that
started
as
kind
of
like
cloud
nativish
like
online
organizations.
You
know
netflix
transformed
itself
it.
It
was
a
it's.
It
started
out
as
I'm
going
to
email
you
you,
I'm
sorry,
I'm
going
to
mail,
you
that's
been
so
long,
a
dvd
yeah,
a
dvd
and
then
that
gave
them
just
enough
of
an
edge
on.
B
You
know
the
rental
system
at
the
time
that
they
could
kind
of
continue,
but
the
transformation
of
recognizing
we're
going
to
change
the
medium
of
delivery
of
bits
from
cds
to
internet
and
the
earliness
of
them,
recognizing
that
and
really
pushing
to
develop.
That
is
like
it's
it's.
I
can't
think
of
a
really
better
example
of
a
successful
transformation.
That's
that's
one
of
the
best
ones.
I
can
think
of.
A
Well-
and
I
also
think
the
interesting
and
you
get
this
in
the
book,
so
you
should
read
the
no
rules
rules
you
get
it
they
talk
about.
You
know
the
mythology
of
you
know
bashing.
You
know
catching
blockbuster
out,
you
know
and
under
you
know,
trying
to
sell
themselves
to
blockbuster
and
thank
goodness
they
didn't,
but
also
that
initial
business
that
they
were
that
core
business
has
transformed
into
you
know.
A
So
it's
it's
not
a
bad
book
to
read
by
any
shot
and
and
and
it's
an
end
and
they
continue
to
drive
out
from
from
my
perspective,
in
the
open
source,
great
projects
and
participate
in
in
open
source
communities
in
ways
that
really
contribute
back.
So
I
just
I'm
always
leery
about
books
that
elevate
rock
stars.
You
know.
A
Yeah
and
that
that's
what
I
think
that's
what
caught
me
out,
and
so
I
had
what
is
it
my
conformational
bias
or
or
whatever
it
is
for
list?
My
listening
for,
oh
god,
another
silicon
valley
story
yeah,
but
I
think
there
are
some
good
bits
in
it
too,
but
to
sort
of
switch
gears
a
lot
and
because
a
lot
of
what
we
talked
on
this
year
in
transformational
fridays
were
things
about
dimiji
and
kat
and
sasha
and
other
folks
came
in.
We
talked
a
lot
about
diversity.
A
B
Absolutely
you
know
it's
been
super
influential
in
my
thinking
recently
I
got
introduced
to
it
by
catswattel
who
we
had
on
to
talk
about
it
and
I
you
know,
I
think
she
does
a
pretty
amazing
job
of
talking
through
it,
and
so
you
should
go
watch
that
video.
But
you
should
also
read
the
book.
It's
got
a
big
scary
title,
but
it's
actually
it's
pretty
readable.
If
you
can
kind
of
like
skim
over
some
of
the
big
words
and
and.
A
B
Like
kind
of
you
know,
decision
and
rational
decision
making
as
the
as
the
focus
of
ethics,
where
there's
some
more
interesting
ways
of
thinking
about
like
ethics
of
caring
and
what
does
it
mean
to
care
about
a
system
and
make
decisions
that
kind
of
reflect
your
care?
So
I
think,
there's
a
whole
set
of
interesting
bits
there
that
are
useful
that
come
out
of
fricker
and
some
other
ethicists
these
days.
And
then
you
know
from
from
like
a
resilience,
engineering,
sre
operator,
kind
of
perspective.
B
You
can
start
asking
really
interesting
questions
like
how
can
we
develop
a
system
that
we
are
able
to
care
for
that?
We
have
an
engagement
in
that
that
the
decisions
that
we're
making
aren't
simply
to
increase
the
efficiency
and
the
kind
of
output
of
the
system.
But
in
fact,
to
make
it
something
we
can
care
for
which
you
know
is
related
to
sustainability
and
the
sustainability
of
our
systems
and
adaptive
capacity
and
all
those
types
of
things.
B
A
That
that's
definitely
on
there.
We
have
someone
asking
out
in
twitter,
land
or
twitch
land
rather
about.
When
are
we
going
to
talk
about
imposter
syndrome
for
senior
leaders
like
me
and
yeah?
So
I
there
are.
There
are
like
there's,
probably
20
books
on
imposter
syndrome
and-
and
I
actually
it's
interesting
because
I
think,
as
as
a
woman,
that
a
lot
of
them
are
addressing
women's
the
role
of
imposter
syndrome
for
for
women-
and
you
know
you
can
google
that
and
there's
like
tons
of
them.
A
B
B
You
know
some
significant
amount
of
this
has
to
do
with
the
way
that
that
that
women
and
people
who
identify
as
as
female,
are
kind
of
consistently
taught
to
doubt
their
own
experiences,
and
so
imposter
syndrome
is
an
excellent
kind
of
outcome,
of
of
kind
of
being
kind
of
constantly
taught
that
you
probably
don't
know,
what's
really
happening,
and
therefore
your
beliefs
are
wrong.
You
know
my
imposter
syndrome,
I
often
trace
back
to.
B
I
was
diagnosed
quite
young
as
as
having
a
series
of
dyslexia
dysgraphia
every
every
disc.
You
can
you
can
have,
and
the
way
it
was
to
kind
of
describe
to
me
was
in
essence
your
your
everybody
has
a
brain
and
it's
in
a
box,
and
most
people's
brains
are
just
wired
to
the
world
differently
than
your
brain
is
wired
to
the
world,
and
so
I
had
a
you
know:
significant
kind
of
epistemic
crisis.
B
When
I
was
in
my
early
teenage
years,
because
I
literally
thought
I
can't
actually
perceive
the
world
the
way
other
people
do,
I
just
don't
actually
physically
incapable
of
doing
it,
which
I'm
not
entirely
sure
is
exactly
right,
but
it
it
led
to
a
lot
of
kind
of
doubts
about
what
I
what
I
experienced
and
and
how
I
knew
things.
One
of
one
of
my
favorite
kind
of
examples
of
that
type
of
thing
is
like
when
I,
when
I,
when
my
children
were
young,
I
would
read
them.
B
Children's
books,
like
everybody,
does
and
because
I'm
dyslexic
dyslexic
do
something
called
word
skipping
or
word
guessing
where,
in
order
to
kind
of
like
scan
forward,
they'll
they'll
guess
what
the
next
three
words
are
and
then
they'll
start
looking
at
the
next
sentence.
Right
so
that
so
that
everything
is
still
coherent,
it
all
kind
of
sticks
together,
because
you
pick
words
that
make
sense,
but
you
haven't
actually
read
the
sentence,
and
so
my
wife
would
listen
to
me.
Read
these
books
and
she
would
get
done
she'd
be
like
you.
B
You
do
realize
that
you
didn't
read
the
book
what
you
said
to
them,
it's
kind
of
like
what
was
in
the
book,
but
and
so
even
from
like
reading
like
little
little
children's
books.
I
had
that
kind
of
like
experience
of,
like
you
know,
doubting
my
own
experiences,
and
I
just
think
you
know
there's
different
extremes
to
that,
and
I
think
freaker's
book
does
a
really
good
job
of
kind
of
explaining
how
that
works
and
and
why
you
need
to
be
careful
about
it.
A
B
I
put
these
two
books
together.
Actually
I
put
software
development
and
reality
construction,
which
I
think
is
amazing,
that's
by
floyd
and
that's
there's
a
whole
bunch
of
really
interesting
essays
in
there
about
kind
of
like
what
what
now
would
be
kind
of
called
cognitive
engineering
like
the
way
in
which
the
software
shapes
the
way
we
imagine
the
world.
It's
really
amazing,
and
then
the
book
with
that
I
have
is
is
called
world
view.
B
Construction,
adult
education,
world
view
construction
and
that
book
is
kind
of
about
the
way
in
which
we
create
world
views
as
a
way
of
kind
of
working
out
where
we
are
and
that
there's
multiple
world
views
like
there's
multiple
ways
of
looking
at
the
world
so
like
to
bring
it
like
full
circle.
Back
to
the
original
discussions
right,
like
world
views
or
and
kind
of
constructed,
realities
are
versions
of
systems,
they're
versus
versions
of
systems.
B
Thinking
and
a
worldview
is
a
way
of
imagining
not
the
way
like
a
system
works
as
in
like
I
imagine,
my
computer
works
this
way
or
I
imagine
my
school
works
this
way.
A
world
view
is,
I
imagine
the
world
that
I
live
in
works
this
way
where
it's
not
the
world
is
not
the
the
earth
or
the
globe,
but
like
the
way
in
which
the
totality
of
my
experiences
work
together.
That's
a
world
view
so,
like
you
know,
there's
there's
different
versions
of
that.
B
So
it's
like
it's
like
diversity,
but
at
the
kind
of
at
the
at
the
universe,
scale
like
it's
important
to
have
multiple
people
with
different
ways
of
imagining
how
the
universe
works
is
kind
of
one
of
the.
I
don't
know
one
of
the
rough
arguments
that
you
might
want
to
make,
and
I
think
that
book
is
amazing
to
talk
about
kind
of
how
how
we
need
to
preserve
different
ways
of
being
in
the
world,
and
I
think,
that's
really
cool
so.
A
So
that
that
makes
me
think
about
long-term
thinking
and
the
long
now
foundation
and
a
gentleman
that
I
met
a
long
time
ago.
Funnily
enough
at
south.
By
southwest,
we
were
on
a
panel
together,
danny
hillis,
and
I
had
a
a
wonderful
conversation
wandering
around
south
by
what
southwest
about
long-term
thinking
and
the
necessity
for
it.
And
I
can't
say,
after
coming
through
2020.
A
Things
that
I
really
think
is
that
what
you
know
one
it
might
finally
be
the
thing
that
makes
me
join
the
long
now
foundation
and
become
a
member
as
opposed
to
just
attending
events
and
reading
their
books.
But-
and
I
can't
think
of
a
book
that
there's
he
actually
wrote-
I'm
just
looking
here
quickly
to
see
if
there's
a
book
that
he
wrote
about
it.
B
A
You
still
have
to
be
detail-oriented.
You
still
have
to
get
that
code
pushed
and
those
these
releases
made
and
everything.
But
what
is
the
long-term
impact
of
the
work
that
we're
doing
today
and
how
how
we
have
to
look
at
it
from
a
higher
level
and
that
that
really
helped?
It
must
have
been,
I
think,
2015-16
or
something
where
I
ran
into
him
and
that
so
I
think
in
long-term
thinking,
systems.
Thinking
are
things
that
for
2021,
I
think,
are
going
to
be
top
of
mind
for
me.
B
Interesting,
I
think
walking
along
now
is,
is
was
published
by
by
the
long
island
foundation.
That's
quite
good,
stuart
brand,
of
course,
like
brands,
concepts
like
pace
layering
and
how
buildings
learn
are
both
really
interesting
discussions
of
like
multiple
temporalities
like
long
and
short-term
temporalis
existing
together,
I
think
there's
some
super
interesting
stuff
there,
seeing
like
a
state
is
really
cool.
B
I
think
that
can
be
super
interesting
and
that's
a
great
book
that
everybody
should
look
at
at
some
point.
The
pattern
language
by
by
alex
christopher
alexander,
the
opposite,
like
kind
of
long
long
backward
thinking
like
the
way
in
which,
like
history,
informs,
I
guess
or
materiality
informs
things,
is
also
super
interesting
and
then
the
other
one
that,
like
I
always
like
to
talk
to
people
about
when
they
talk
about
long-term
thinking,
is
donna
harway's
book.
A
B
One
of
them
is
duration,
which
is
the
idea
that,
like
if
you
think
about
most
people,
think
about
time
is
like
being
measurable,
like
there's
a
beginning
and
an
end
and
duration's
more
about
like
the
stuff
in
the
middle
between
the
beginning
of
the
end,
and
sometimes
I
describe
it
as
like
the
sensation
of
pulling
your
finger
down
a
window
pane
like
there's,
you
can
tell
that
things
are
moving,
but
there's
no
beginning
and
ending
to
it.
It's
just
an
ongoingness
and
then
the
other
thing
he
talks
about
is
extensity
and
intensity.
B
A
So
so,
if
you're
listening
to
this,
I'm
going
to
try
and
annotate
this
video
in
some
way
shape
or
form
to
help
people
find
these
books
maybe
create
like
instead
of
a
youtube,
playlist,
an
audible,
playlist
or
a
book.
But
I
really
like
the
physical
books.
So
to
me,
I
think
one
of
the
things
is
is
really
getting
back
to
reading
real
books
and
not
on
kindle
and
stuff
and
trying
to
do
a
few
more
of
those
this
year.
So
it
has
been
intense.
A
And
and
I
promise
that
I
will
reread
the
no
rules
rules
book
again
without
my
conformational
bias,
hat
on
and
be
ready
for
my
conversation
about
that
book
at
some
future
meeting.
So
and
maybe
we'll
even
get
some
of
our
netflix
colleagues
to
in
the
open
source
world
to
join
us
and
talk
about
what
it's
like
working
at
netflix.
So
there
you
go.