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"None of us expected the world to be where it is today. Economies around the world are in shambles, our day to day lives have been fundamentally changed, the way we work - both externally and internally - has been flipped on its head, our governments are flailing to respond. Through crisis we’ve been forced to respond and adapt, whether we wanted to or not. For the last 10+ years, the DevOps community has been championing change in the way that IT works to deliver to applications to end users. Given this new world, how does our role as champions of change evolve, and what can we do to be more effective at helping our organizations change?"
A
All
right
everybody
and
welcome
to
another
openshift
commons
briefing
and
as
we
do
on
every
friday,
this
is
a
transformational
talk
from
from
red,
hatters
external
folks
to
red
hat.
We've
got
a
great
group
of
folks
who
keep
coming
back
every
every
friday
to
have
these
conversations
about
changing
organizations,
devops,
dev
security,
devsecops
and
all
kinds
of
other
wonderful
things,
and
today
I'm
really
pleased
to
have
a
colleague
of
ours.
Michael
douchey.
A
So
I'm
really
looking
forward
to
this
talk
and
to
the
conversation
with
michael
afterwards.
So
I'm
gonna,
let
michael
introduce
himself,
tell
you
a
little
bit
about
his
background
and
deliver
the
talk
and
then
afterwards,
please
do
join
us
for
a
conversation
about
the
topic
so
michael,
take
it
away
and
thanks
again
for
taking
the
time
today.
B
C
B
Go
finally
figured
it
out,
I
don't
know
what
was
going
on
there.
So
as
with
computers,
you
know,
as
they
say,
how
do
they
even
work
so
happy
fridays,
everyone
or
good
afternoon
good
evening,
good
morning,
depending
upon
where
you're
at
in
the
world,
so
I'm
michael
ducey,
I'm
a
co-founder
and
organizer
of
devops
days
columbus.
I
also
helped
found
devops
days.
Minneapolis
have
a
broad
background
in
systems,
administration
capacity
planning,
sales,
engineering,
community
development
and
so
forth.
B
B
I
think
in
the
in
the
prep
in
the
green
room,
diane
was
talking
and
she
went
to
bed
and
everything
was
you
know,
well
kind
of
normal
normal
for
2020
and
she
wakes
up
and
there's
yet
another
curveball
that
we've
seen
presented
to
us
and
it
seems
like
every
single
day
when
we
wake
up.
While
we
are
adapting
to
this
new
idea
of
normalcy,
we
always
tend
to
wake
up
and
have
this
saying
in
our
head
and
of
course
everyone
knows
what
this
means,
but
really
like.
B
9Th,
almost
three
months
ago
it
was
12
million
who
had
contracted
the
coronavirus
and
almost
a
half
a
million
or
just
over
a
half
a
million
people
that
had
died
from
the
coronavirus
as
of
october
2nd.
When
I
looked
at
the
numbers,
it's
34
million
three
or
34.5
million,
and
over
a
million
people
who
have
died
from
this
virus
and
it
really,
when
you
start
to
put
these
numbers
in
perspective
and
really
think
of
just
in
three
months,
we've
almost
tripled
the
rate
of
infection
and
we've
doubled.
B
You
know,
we've
all
had
to
change
our
day-to-day
life.
We've
all
had
to
adapt
to
work
from
home.
We've
all
had
to
adapt
to
schooling
from
home
parents,
our
heart,
it's
hard
for
parents
to
find
child
care
and
they're
having
to
juggle
a
job
and
kids
in
the
house
and
giving
them
school
and
all
of
those
sorts
of
things.
B
And
it's
interesting,
though,
is
that,
as
we've
been
forced
to
respond
to
this
kind
of
what
was
leading
up
to
2020,
especially
in
the
united
states.
I
won't
necessarily
speak
to
the
entire
world,
but
we're
more
than
divided
than
ever
as
a
nation,
and
you
know
on
multiple
fronts,
but
primarily
the
political
front.
B
Has
us
really
really
divided
and
it's
interesting
that
this
division
is
happening
at
the
same
time
when
we
see
that
our
communities
are
kind
of
falling
apart
and
being
shattered,
not
only
by
kind
of
the
division
in
our
communities,
but
also
the
the
virus
has
caused
our
communities
to
be
shattered
as
well.
You
can't
go
and
see.
Friends
like
you
used
to
winter
is
now
coming,
and
things
are
going
to
be
much
colder
and
so
being
able
to
do
that
social
distancing
picnic.
B
It's
really
really
somewhat
ironic
to
me
that
really
been
this
perfect
storm
of
all
of
these
things.
Coming
together,
I'm
going
to
take
a
step
back
and
I'm
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
devops
and
digital
transformation.
I
kind
of
want
to
set
the
scene
here
a
little
bit
around
how
I
think
us
in
the
devops
community
and
us
in
the
broader
tech
community
can
really
start
to
ask
ourselves
some
pretty
poignant
questions
around.
How
do
we
respond
to
this?
B
So
really,
where
devops
really
came
about?
Is
this
idea
of
the
rise
of
cloud
and
mobile
computing
right?
So
we
all
of
a
sudden
have
all
of
these
computers
that
we
have
to
maintain.
We
realize,
as
I.t
professionals,
we
need
to
change
the
way
that
we
work
and
really
also
what's
happened,
is
with
the
rise
of
cloud
and
mobile.
Now
that
everyone
has
one
of
these
in
their
pocket-
and
you
know
these-
these
are
these
smartphones.
These
days
are
more
powerful
than
some
people's
laptops.
B
In
some
cases,
and
now
you
have
this
idea
of
the
connected
consumer
to
where
this
is
the
brick
and
mortar.
Now.
This
is
where
you
want
to
try
and
reach
your
consumer,
and
so
with
this
rise
of
the
connected
consumer
we've
had
this
rise
of
this
idea
of
digital
transformation,
and
so
devops
is
really
a
response
to
serve
digital
transformation.
B
So
how
do
we
make
it
easier
to
deploy
our
apps
on
a
continuous
basis
to
these
devices
so
that
we
can
get
these
features
and
functionality
in
front
of
our
end
user
and
understanding
that
that's
the
feature
and
functionality
we
want
to
actually
deploy?
Is
it
useful?
Is
it
going
to
give
us
the
business
impact?
B
Are
we
able
to
reach
our
consumer
now
in
a
digital
way,
and
the
really
interesting
thing
is,
if
you
think
about
devops
and
what
the
core
tenets
of
devops
is
about,
and
I
would
say
you
know
we
can
talk
about
automation.
We
can
talk
about
measurement.
We
can
talk
about
bringing
in
lean
principles,
but
whether,
if
you're
talking
about
internally
inside
of
your
company
or
externally
in
the
broader
devops
community
devops
is
really
about
community.
B
It's
this
idea
of
bringing
people
together
from
disparate
backgrounds,
understanding
what
their
struggles
are
not
only
from
a
technology
perspective,
but
also
the
human
factors
of
things
that
that
really
influences
how
they
interact
with
that
technology
and
use
that
technology.
And
that's
one
of
the
things
that's
been,
probably
the
most
powerful.
For
me
as
I've
been
involved
in
the
devops
days
community
over
the
last
seven
years
is
really
this.
B
This
big
sense
of
community
that
we
have
not
only
the
external
communities
like
the
devops
days
community,
for
instance,
but
I've
seen
over
the
years
how
companies,
when
they
start
to
adopt
this
devops
methodology
or
these
ideas
and
practices
of
devops
inside
of
their
own
organizations.
The
communities
really
start
to
grow,
and
I
think
that's
something.
That's
that's
very
beautiful
that
we
have
in
the
devops
community,
but
the
other
thing
that
we've
talked
a
lot
about
in
the
world
of
devops.
B
B
The
empathy
has
really
had
to
go
up
across
the
board,
for
everyone
we
have
to
you
know,
put
up
with
interruptions
on
conference
calls
because
we
don't
have
spaces
in
our
homes,
sometimes
to
have
our
own
office.
You
know,
kids
are
interrupting
and
things
like
that,
and
it's
really
been
interesting
to
see
how
nobody
cares
about
the
dog
barking
on
the
conference
call
anymore.
Nobody
cares
that
the
baby
cries
or
anything
like
that.
B
What's
interesting,
though,
is
digital
transformation
really
kind
of
focuses
on
this
idea
of
capitalism?
And
you
know
I
won't
say
whether
or
not
capitalism
is
good
or
bad.
This
isn't
a
debate
on
capitalism
versus
socialism
or
different
economic
models,
but
the
interesting
thing
is:
is
you
end
up
creating
this
kind
of
tension
between
digital
transformation
and
devops,
and
we
have
this
big
community
idea?
We
have
this
idea
of
empathy,
but
then,
when
we're
actually
going
to
deploy
that
application,
it's
all
about.
B
How
can
we
get
eyeballs
on
this
device
so
that,
hopefully,
consumer
will
go
and
buy
our
company's
product
and
digital
transformation
is
really
about
this
idea
of
consumption
and
how
do
we
drive
consumption,
and
so
my
slides
are
messing
up
just
one
second,
sorry
about
that,
and
so
what
digital
transformation?
If
we
really
look
at
digital
transformation
and
what
it's
about
is
it's
really
about
or
how
it's
manifested
itself?
It's
can
I
get
a
car
easily?
Can
I
order
food
online?
B
Can
I
watch
my
favorite
shows,
or
can
I
meet
someone
handsome
like
ryan
there,
and-
and
I
ask
ourselves
really
like
what
does
digital
transformation
do
to
serve
the
people
right?
So,
while
all
these
things
are
great,
there's
a
certain
economic
barrier
that
you
have
to
get
into
using
these
things.
So
not
everyone
has
the
advantage
of
using
uber
on
a
on
a
day-to-day
basis.
Not
everyone
can
fly
from
amsterdam
to
san
francisco.
B
And
so
I
really
ask
ourselves,
you
know
what
does
digital
transformation
do
to
serve
the
people,
and
I
think
this
is
one
of
the
things
that's
really
been
highlighted
to
me
by
this
whole
kobit
crisis
and
then
the
coronavir
crisis.
If
you
look
at
what
the
states
had
to
do
to
try
and
respond
to
the
unprecedented
number
of
claims
of
unemployment
in
the
united
states,
we
really
start
to
saw
see
that
digital
transformation
really
isn't
serving
a
lot
of
the
basic
needs
of
the
people
and
there's
lots
of
good
stories.
B
Though,
also
that's
come
out
of
this
of
how
we
have
been
able
to
use
digital
transformation
to
deploy
contact,
tracing
apps
in
certain
places
throughout
the
world
to
deploy
applications
to
help
people's
lives
and
make
people's
lives
better.
There's
a
good
story
that
I
heard
about
a
bank-
and
you
know
they
were
getting
a
lot
of
traffic
to
the
account
summary
page,
and
it
was
a
little
bit
too
much
traffic.
B
And
so
the
other
question
is
you
know?
What
does
digital
transformation
do
to
serve
the
underserved
people
and
how
can
states
and
governments
use
digital
transformation
to
really
start
to
make
sure
that
the
underserved
people
in
our
world
or
our
communities
are
actually
served?
And
so
what
does
digital
transformation
do
to
serve
the
underprivileged,
the
poor,
the
oppressed
and
society
as
a
whole?
B
And
through
my
experience
you
know
traveling
around
the
world.
I
think
I've
really
met
one
person
whose
organization
was
using
digital
transformation
to
really
serve
those
people
that
needed
it
most,
and
this
was
an
example
of
an
app
there's,
a
gentleman
by
the
name
of
sam
who
used
to
work
at
a
company
that
created
an
app
where
homeless,
people
could
use
this
app
and
they
could
actually
go
and
look
to
see.
B
We
really
started
to
have
this
movement,
and
we've
really
started
to,
I
think,
have
a
higher
awareness
around
inclusion
and
diversity,
but
not
in
just
inclusion
and
diversity
in
the
sense
of
do.
Are
we
making
sure
that
there's
enough
women
speaking
at
a
tech
conference
or
something
like
that?
But
really
this
movement
started
in
2014
with
the
shooting.
By
of
a
gentleman
by
the
name
of
mike
brown
in
ferguson
missouri,
you
know
right
or
wrong.
B
It's
really
hard
to
understand
what
those
people
go
through,
and
I
had
a
few
friends
in
those
neighborhoods
as
well
as
well,
and
so
just
a
little
bit
more
about
me.
I
grew
up
in
the
inner
city
of
st
louis.
I
went
to
a
school
named.
Roosevelt
high
school
roosevelt
high
school
had
the
I
guess,
honor
if
you
will,
or
unwelcomed
honor,
to
be
the
first
high
school
public
high
school
in
the
state
of
missouri
to
have
armed
officers
walking
its
hallways.
B
There
were
a
lot
of
gangs,
there
were
a
lot
of
drugs
and
it
was
a
really
hard
educational
experience.
I
actually
ended
up
dropping
out
of
high
school
at
the
age
of
16.,
and
a
lot
of
my
friends
were
black
and
we
experienced
you
know
kind
of
this
systemic
racism
on
a
day-to-day
basis.
We
would
get
stopped
as
we
were
walking
down
the
street
just
because
of
the
way
that
we
dress
just
because
of
the
color
of
my
friend's
skin.
B
The
question
is:
they
were
actually
looking
at
many
cities
throughout
the
united
states
to
kind
of
find
what
is
the
most
racist
city
in
america
and
and
st
louis
is
definitely
up
there.
I
remember
as
a
as
a
youth.
There
was
a
big
controversy
because
the
kkk
wanted
to
sponsor
highway
cleanup
along
interstate
55
on
the
south
side
of
st
louis,
and
there
was
a
lot
of
controversy
about
putting
the
sign
up
and
all
of
those
sorts
of
things
as
well.
B
For
a
number
of
years,
st
louis
had
a
fourth
of
july
parade,
which
was
called
the
veiled
profit
parade,
and
if
you
look
at
the
veiled
profit
well,
the
whole
profit,
community
and
kind
of
secret
society
was
all
affluent
white
people
and
the
veiled
prophet.
If
you
go
and
look
it
up,
the
veil
of
prophet
looks
very
much
like
a
ku
klux
klan
member
in
their
white
robes.
And
so
how
do
you
have
this
community,
where
african,
americans
or
black
people
can
be
welcomed?
B
B
So
these
are
comments
on
that
article
that
I
showed
earlier
as
a
black
person
that
grew.
There
grew
up
there
that
place,
and
the
thing
is,
is
you
know
if
you've
never
been
in
those
communities
if
you've
never
been
in
someone's
home
who
lives
in
those
communities
if
you've
never
seen
what
people
go
through
on
a
day-to-day
basis?
B
It's
very
very
hard
to
understand.
Not
only
are
you
living
in
a
neighborhood?
That's
blighted,
maybe
you're
of
a
of
a
social,
certain
economic
status
or
socioeconomic
status.
You
don't
see
opportunities.
Your
schools
are
some
of
the
worst
schools
in
the
country,
it's
very
hard
for
you
to
understand
what
people
have
to
go
through
on
a
day-to-day
basis,
and
the
very
important
thing
to
understand
is
this:
just
isn't
about
st
louis.
B
And
if
you
look
at
you
know
african
americans,
asian
americans
or
I'm
sorry
blacks.
They
make
forty
thousand
dollars
where
asians
make
almost
double
that,
and
you
know,
whites
make
twenty
eight
thousand
dollars
more,
and
so
it's
very
easy
for
us
to
say.
Economic
opportunity
is
spread
when
we
see
all
of
our
friends
who
look
like
us
having
these
good
jobs
and
things
like
that.
B
B
We
get
paid
extremely
well
to
do
what
we
do
in
tech,
and
we've
had
for
a
number
of
years
been
talking
about
gender
balance
in
tech
and
getting
more
women
involved
in
technology
and
one
and
which
I
think
is
a
great
thing.
You
know
it's
still
to
this
day
that
women
make
80
to
75
cents
per
dollar
that
a
man
makes
and
that
gap
needs
to
close.
But
that's
not
the
only
gap
that
needs
to
close.
B
This
is
public
spending
as
a
share
of
national
income,
and
so
you
can
see
that
the
growth
since
the
70s
has
really
been
about
taking
more
and
more
of
our
national
income
and
putting
it
into
law
and
order,
and
in
many
cases
we've
been
reducing
the
amount
of
our
national
income
that
we
put
in
putting
into
warehouse
welfare
and
social
services
and
the
other
day
in
the
debate.
And
you
know
we
don't
need
to.
B
We
don't
need
to
say
whether,
if
you
support
biden
or
you
don't
support
biden
or
who
you
support,
it's
regardless
of
that.
But
joe
biden
made
a
really
good
point
in
the
presidential
debate,
the
other
day
where
he
said
he
doesn't
want
to
defund
police.
He
actually
wants
to
fund
them
more,
but
he
wants
to
fund
them
in
a
way
that
the
social,
the
police
and
community
policing
starts
to
transform
to
where
it's
much
less
about
law
and
order
and
kind
of
keeping
these
communities
in
check
as
it's
being
treated.
B
Now
and
us
versus
them
mentality,
but
how
do
we
have
the
police
have
ownership
in
those
communities
and
how
can
we
begin
to
bring
in
social
workers
and
other
people
to
actually
help
lift
these
people?
So
if
you
would
think
about
how
the
funding
would
actually
be,
it's
not
necessarily
about
defunding
law
and
order,
but
it's
shifting
money
and
providing
more
money
to
make
sure
that
these
social
safety
nets
are
there
and
making
sure
that
the
welfare
programs
are
there.
B
We
can
actually
begin
to
lift
people
out
of
poverty
and
their
socioeconomic
status,
because
if
you
can
get
you
know
one
or
ten
or
a
hundred
people,
that
all
of
a
sudden
have
good
paying
jobs
that
helps
their
family
that
helps
their
extended
family.
That
helps
the
broader
community
and
they
can
reinvest
that
money
to
into
things
that
actually
matter
to
them
and
community
services
and
resources
that
actually
matter
to
them
as
well.
B
And
so
it's
in
this
idea
of
and
do
we
invest
in
control
or
do
we
invest
in
uplift,
uplifting
people
and
there's
the
same.
That
says,
you
know
a
writing
type,
rising
tide,
lifts
all
boats
and
to
go
back
to
kind
of
the
economic
example
for
the
longest
time
in
the
united
states.
We've
had
this
viewpoint
that
if
we
give
tax
breaks
to
the
wealthy,
and
of
course
everyone
knows,
this
is
called
trickle-down
economics.
B
B
What
can
we
do
as
individuals
to
start
to
break
down
these
walls
and
break
down
these
barriers
and
break
down
these
things
that
you
know
what
we
don't
even
realize
that
we
contribute
to?
We
contribute
to
them
through
our
unconscious
biases
that
we
might
have
whether,
if
you're
screening
resumes
or
something
like
that,
and
you
just
automatically
push
one
aside,
you
know
there's
there's
little
things
that
we
do
every
day
that
kind
of
contribute
to
this,
and
we
ask
ourselves
every
day.
A
A
That's
very
much
like
what
we've
been
doing
in
the
devops
communities
and
you
know,
and
we
have
the
skills.
I
came
out
of
the
the
django
and
python
communities
and
even
drupal
back
in
the
day
and
ex
you
know,
xml
and,
like
all
a
lot
of
the
skills
that
we
promoted,
to
create
diversity
within
our
tech.
Communities
can
be
reapplied
in
the
real
world,
shall
we
say
outside
their
outside
of
the
matrix
or
whatever.
A
B
Yeah
so
kind
of
going
back
to
your
point
on
you
know
django
and
python
and
php,
and
you
know,
I've
been
a
contributor
of
open
source
communities
or
a
participant
of
open
source
communities
and
a
contributor
over
the
last
20
years
and
what's
really
been
interesting
to
see.
Is
these
these
communities
aren't
local
to
the
united
states?
These
are
global
communities.
B
You
know,
I
would
probably
say
the
much
like
the
open
source
communities,
the
easiest
way
to
start
to
build
empathy
and
building
that
shared
experience
is
getting
involved.
Somehow
I
have
a
friend
who
was
telling
me
a
story
of
how
she
volunteered
at
one
of
the
missions
down
in
el
paso,
which
helps
immigrants
and
refugees
at
the
border,
and
it
was
a
and
she's.
B
And
when
you
begin
to
really
see
that
and
the
the
point
of
view
that
she
gave
me
is
that
if
she'd
never
volunteered
like
that,
she
wouldn't
have
that
shared
experience
of
really
understanding
what
people
go
through
and,
as
I
drive
around
kind
of
out
of
columbus,
where
I
live
and
seeing
people
with
signs
that
I
don't
necessarily
agree
with.
Let's
put
it
that,
but
they
live
on
a
farm.
They
live
in
the
middle
of
nowhere.
B
They
don't
have
that
ability
to
have
that
shared
experience
and
the
only
way
that
you're
going
to
get
that
is
by
getting
involved
and
getting
into
those
communities
just
like
how
we
build
the
shared
experience
and
the
delos
community
or
in
the
open
source
community.
It's
all
about
going
and
finding
a
way
that
you
can
get
involved.
A
And
that
that
kind
of
you
talked
about
the
connected
customers
and
that
and
that-
and
I
sometimes
riff
on
this
idea
of
continuous
connection
but
creating
the
spaces
to
make
those
connections.
It
get
it's
harder
in
a
covid
world
when
it's
all
via
zooming
in
and
virtual,
but
there's
still
ways
you
can
get
out
into
your
communities.
A
But
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
we
try
and
do
at
least
at
red
hat
and
in
the
openshift
commons,
is
to
create
spaces
for
people
to
connect,
whether
they're,
virtual
or
you
know,
text
messaging
or
tick
tocks
or
whatever
it
is.
But
how
meeting
people
where
they
are?
I
mean
you
can't.
Maybe
I
can't
go
to
el
paso
and
be
there
to
you,
know,
help
in
food
feeding
or
clothing
or
supporting
people
with
services
there.
A
But
there
are
things
you
can
do
and
you
know-
and
I
think
that's
really
one
of
my
goals
now
in
knowing
that
I
have
these
privileges
that
I
have
access
to.
These
tools
is
to
create
spaces
where
you
can
bring
people
in
who
are
economically
underprivileged
or
education
and
offer
these
things
up
either
free
of
charge
or
do
the
mentoring
online
with
people
there's
there's
a
lot
of
ways
we
can
contribute,
but
I
think
the
other.
B
There's
a
ton
of
free
resources,
I
think
as
well
right
so
like.
If
you
think
about
our
broader
communities-
and
you
know,
as
a
tech
person,
we
could
very
easily
start
offering
online
courses
right.
We
could
we
could
get
people
in
the
community
together,
we
can
get
them
on
a
zoom
call.
We
can
start
walking
them
through
a
lot
of
the
free
resources,
like
you
know,
openshift.io
or
anything
like
that,
where
we
can
really
start
to
educate
and
teach
people
how
to
use
technology
and
and
enhance
their
careers
right.
A
C
A
There's
a
huge
digital
divide
in
the
united
states,
with
access
to
like
I'm
I'm
sitting
in
a
rural
community
in
canada,
north
of
vancouver,
and
I
have
fiber
optic
right.
That's
that's
privilege!
The
the
telus
ceo
moved
in
and
built
a
house
up
the
up
the
coast
for
me
and
we
became
the
first
rural
community
in
all
of
canada
because
he
wanted
his
summer
home
up.
There
love
you
tell
us,
thank
you
very
much,
I'm
paying
my
building,
but
it's
it's
that
kind
of
becoming
more
aware
of
where,
where
it
breaks
down.
B
A
A
About
I
think
it
was
singapore
that
the
elderly
didn't
have
cell
phones,
so
they
created
these
jeep
for
contact
tracing
for
covid.
So
they
created
these
things
that
look
like
a
tile
or
a
little
gps
thing
that
had
the
the
app
embedded
in
it.
So
they
didn't
have
to
be
on
a
cell
phone
but
creating
new
things
like
that.
I
mean
it
is
also
big
brother
supervising
and
watching
this,
but
the
grandmother
who
was
being
interviewed.
A
B
To
us
for
the
rest
of
our
nature
and
definitely
one
of
the
more
vulnerable
populations
that
need
it,
probably
the
most
yeah
as
well
yeah
the
the
idea
of
access
is
it's
definitely
one
that
we've
thought
about
in
the
tech
community
for
a
while.
I
remember
the
one
laptop
per
child
program
when
that
came
out
in
you
know,
2001
2003
time
frame-
and
I
remember
thinking-
and
this
was
before
I
had
ever
stepped
foot
outside
of
the
united
states-
and
I
remember
thinking
like
well
why.
B
Why
is
a
laptop
so
important
for
someone
who
lives
in
africa
or
india
or
or
wherever
it
might
be?
And
it's
like
shouldn't
we
be,
you
know,
investing
all
this
money
in
food
and
other
resources
that
these
people
could
use
on
a
more
immediate
basis,
and
you
know
it
was
always
explained
of
like
well.
If
they
can
get
on
the
internet,
then
they
can
learn
how
to
make
a
well.
They
can
learn
how
to
build
a
farm.
A
Yeah,
I
think
one
of
the
other
things
that's
happened
with
kovid
and
is
when
they
do
it.
When
people
have
access
to
events,
one
of
the
things
about
not
traveling
to
events
or
gathering,
openshift,
commons
gatherings
or
summits
or
whatever
it
is,
is
that
that
getting
managers
to
approve
your
travel
paying
for
the
travel,
the
hotel,
the
cost
of
registration,
has
all
been
blown
out
of
the
water.
A
I
mean
it's
kind
of
democratizing
access
to
mentors
and
tech
talks
and
hands-on
workshops,
and
all
of
that
and
and
building
those
tools
out
and
making
them
making
building
more
awareness
of
them
and
doing
more
of
that,
it's
it's.
It's
not
really
a
stress
on
the
system
to
scale
up
a
hands-on
workshop.
You
can
live
stream,
as
chris
short's
been
doing
tons
of
and
anybody
can
access
it.
It's
free
and
it's
freely
available.
A
A
It's
been,
you
know,
kind
of
the
promise
of
platform
as
a
service.
I'm
just
gonna
say
this
is
that
when
I
first
got
in
to
pause
back,
you
know
nine
years
ago
or
whenever
that
was
when
we
had
our
first,
you
know
ruby
on
rails
platform
as
a
service
offer
heroku
launched
or
whomever
it
started.
It
was
that
it
was
gonna
make
it
super
easy
to
deploy
an
application
to
build
an
app
to
build
a
mobile
app
and
it
has.
But
it's
still
there's
still
barriers
right
and
we
can.
A
We
can
do
better
and
I
think
that's
a
lot
of
us
in
tech
have
a
lot
of
experience.
Building
empathy
between
dev
and
ops,
between
management
and
dev
and
ops
and
end
users
and
building
communities-
and
you
know
applying
them
and
taking
the
time
now,
taking
a
step
back
from
our
day-to-day
jobs
and
really
reaching
out
and
and
creating
some
of
those
connections
is
really,
I
think,
kind
of
the
most
important
thing
we
can
do
right.
A
D
Like
it's
it's
imperative
right,
because
I
I
put
I
put
a
link
in
chat.
The
flag
behind
me,
you
see
over
my
head
is
the
city
of
detroit
flag,
I'm
from
you
know
outside
detroit,
and
you
know
they
still
need
laptops
at
the
schools.
They
still,
you
know,
are
looking
for
funds.
How
easy
is
it
for
you
know
you
to
go
out
to
your
company.
You
know
big
tech,
company
and
say
hey:
do
we
do
donation
matching
and
then
just
set
up
a
25
a
month?
D
You
know
donation
to
just
your
local
public
school
system
just
to
help
them
out
anything.
You
know
women
of
women,
women
who
code
blacks,
who
code
any
of
those
organizations,
will
happily
take
donations
to
help
them
build
right
like
it
doesn't
have
to
be
a
heavy
lift.
Necessarily-
and
you
know
you
can
live
stream
with
a
phone
now
right
like
so,
you
have
a
phone,
you
can
teach
people
how
to
do
something
in
tech.
Right
like
you,
can
help
somebody
out
right
now.
You
really
can
yeah.
A
Sharing
that,
if
you
can't
leave
your
house
or
your
community,
the
zoom
stuff
is
amazing.
It's
just
you
know
being
able
to
set
up
that.
You
know
I
didn't
last
night,
another
zoom
to
connect
with
a
bunch
of
people,
and
you
know
it's
just
it
gives
you
the
sense
of
community
and
it
happened
to
be
vmware.
Women.
Women
in
vmware
invited
me
a
red
hatter
to
a
virtual
meetup,
which
I
thought
was
great
and
very.
B
But
that's
the
other
thing
that
you
know
adam
jacob
of
chef,
kind
of
taught
me
is
like
and
we're
all
in
this
together,
and
so
we
might
wear
different
jerseys,
as
another
friend
always
would
say,
but
always
be
kind
to
one
another
always
be
welcoming
to
one
another.
It
doesn't
necessarily
matter
that
I
have
a
red
hat
jersey
on
today
and
you
have
a
vmware
jersey
on.
We
can
still
be
welcoming
and
invite
others
into
our
community.
Even
though.
D
It's
it's
like.
I
tell
everybody
right,
like
I
wear
mini
hats
at
red
hat:
it's
not
just
the
red
hat
right
like
diane,
perfect
example.
Right,
like
open
shift
comments.
She
doesn't
just
wear
one
hat
at
red
hat
right
like
there's,
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
we
do
out
in
the
community
that
everybody
can
help
do
and
can
actually
improve
your
community
right
here.
Right
now,.
A
I
think
the
other
challenge
is
burnout
as
well.
I
mean
we're
what
six
months
into
the
covid
crisis,
and
one
of
the
reasons
I
really
wanted
to
have
michael
on
here-
is
to
sort
of
re-inspire
me.
I'd
heard
your
talk
earlier
and
to
really
to
do
more,
because
I
think
at
a
certain
point
we
get
a
nerd
to
the
craziness
to
the
chaos
we
wake
up
in
the
morning
and
there's
another
like.
Oh,
my
god,
could
that
possibly
have
happened
overnight.
A
A
You
know
basically
coming
out
into
that
tech,
community
and
being
supported
and
having
up
spaces
those
those
kinds
of
things
we
can
do
for
our
under
served
communities.
We
can
take
those
skills,
the
things
that
we
learned
in
the
open
source
and
the
other
day.
I
don't
know
chris,
if
you
were
on
the
the
toc,
call
the
cncftoc
call
and.
A
D
I
actually
mentioned
that
in
a
meeting
before
this.
In
our
case,
marketing
meeting
like
there's
not
a
great
documented
way
like
how
do
you
onboard
into
the
community
right
so
like
getting
that
message
out,
there
is
something
we
have
to
work
on
right,
like
github
is
not
great
at
discoverability
right,
like
you've,
got
to
actually
market
some
things
in
a
way
right
like
it's.
It's
interesting
that
we
have
to
do
that
now.
A
Yeah
when-
and
I
think
that's
part
of
part
of
it-
is
that
there's
in
this
this
case,
it's
about
getting
some
uniformity
on
to
the
onboarding
and
becoming
a
contributor
process
across
all
of
the
cncf
projects.
Some
of
them
do
great
jobs
and
others
not
so
much,
and
I
I
jokingly
said
that
they
all
needed
life
coaches,
every
every
cncf
project
needed
a
life
coach
or
a
devops
coach
kind.
D
D
A
That's
really
what
I
think,
as
community
people
and
open
source
devrel
and
devops
people
we
do.
You
know
we
try
and
help
people
do
that,
but
to
have
some
uniformity
in
that,
and
I
think
that's
true,
like
there's
a
lot
of
websites
out
there
and
we
probably
should
have
a
resources
page
here
of
things
you
can
do
in
your
community
if
you're
a
tech
person
or
you.
C
C
B
On
something
that
you
you
mentioned,
then
kind
of,
as
we
think
about
like
the
tech
community
and
open
source
communities,
you
know
diane
you
and
I
have
known
each
other
for
years
at
this
point
now,
and
I
can
remember,
you
know
going
to
conferences
and
it
being
a
much
different
world
than
it
is
now
right,
and
I
I
think
we
we
sometimes
get
hung
up
on
like
we
constantly.
We
need
to
improve.
D
B
Made
a
lot
of
progress
by
a
lot
of
people
in
the
community
saying
that
this
is
not
acceptable
anymore.
We're
going
to
make
changes,
we're
going
to
make
our
communities
more
inclusive
and
more
diverse.
We're
going
to
make
sure
that
just
all
doesn't
look
like
people
like
chris
and
I
yeah,
and
so
I
just
kind
of
want
to
think
that
we
should
reflect
on
that.
By
no
means
are
we
done
doing
that,
but
we've
shown
ourselves
that
we
have
the
capability
to
make
those
changes.
A
Absolutely
I
I
think
that
we've
done,
we've
done
a
huge
amount
of
learning
and
growing
inside
of
the
tech
community.
There's
tons
more
to
do,
but
I
think
the
skill
sets
that
we've
developed
and
the
the
conversations
that
we've
had,
whether
they
were
hallway
conversations
or
panel
conversations
about
dni
and
the
way
that
we've
grown
grown
it
by
making
you
know
understanding
the
myth
of
meritocracy.
A
You
know
all
kinds
of
things
that
we've
we've
had
to
grow
ourselves
and
mentor
people
along
the
way
to
to
grow
them,
and
I
think
all
of
those
skills
we
need
to
now
redouble
and
apply
to
this.
Current
set
of
you
know
very
tough
circumstances
that
people
are
going
through
right
now
and
and
realize
that
where
we
have
privilege-
and
we
have
a
lot
we're
sitting
here
in
nice-
heated
houses-
you
know
with
good
internet
access
and
and
yeah.
A
Yeah,
it's
really
amazing
and
I
think
my
whole
goal
now
is
just
to
see
where
we
can
create
spaces,
create
engagement
and
communities
that
support
each
other
and
reach
out
and
support
and
bring
bring
along
other
people
too,
because
that
rising
tide
that
lifts
all
we're
the
ones.
It's
not
just
the
moon,
that's
making
the
tide
go
up
and
down.
We
have
to
make
that
tide
rise
and
bring
people
along
100.
B
We
have
a
responsibility
in
our
communities
to
make
sure
that
people
that
look
like
us
understand
what's
going
on
and
getting
some
perspective
into
our
communities
is,
is
extremely
important
and
I
also
you
know,
understand,
there's
a
long
way
for
us
to
go
as
a
society
to
improve
these
things.
But
if
we
don't
start
having
the
conversations,
if
I'm
not
talking
to
people
that
look
like
me
about
this
conversation,
then.