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From YouTube: The Cloud Multiplier: Ep. 1 | Hypershift
Description
Rapidly and elastically scaling your Kubernetes fleet is hard, slow, and expensive - right? Hypershift aims to solve all three of those challenges by hosting the control plane of a full, compliant OpenShift cluster as containers on another OpenShift cluster! Join us as we talk to the experts - and developers - behind Hypershift to learn how this interesting tech works, how it was developed, and the interesting challenges they faced along the way!
0:00 - Intro
7:07 - Top of mind topics
12:35 - Opensource project highlights
16:31 - Hypershift overview
20:19 - Hosted control planes
24:44 - Question: Virtual worker node support?
28:37 - Origins of the Hosted control planes idea
34:29 - Question: Requirements for 3-masters hosted control plane?
37:47 - Question: Does Hypershift support the OVN-kubernetes CNI?
38:46 - Demo
52:41 - Question: How will infra nodes work?
54:37 - Question: Licensing model
55:04 - Question: Installer method to deploy Hypershift?
56:02 - Question: How do the nodes connect to the management cluster? Sensitive to latency?
1:01:04 - Question: Support for VMware and Openstack?
1:02:21 - How to get Hypershift
1:03:30 - Question: Is the intention to work with managed solutions (ie. ARO)?
1:05:09 - Conclusion
A
So
I
have
been
I've
been
working
at
red
hat
for
about
three
years
now,
and
I've
been
on
the
same
team
with
joy,
deep
and
josh
for
a
good
bit
of
that,
so
I'm
honored
to
have
them
join
based
out
of
raleigh,
durham,
north
carolina
and
most
of
my
hobbies
are
kind
of
on
the
back
wall
here
with
board
games.
You
want
to
kick
us
off,
enjoy
deep,
tell
us
a
bit
about
yourself.
A
B
Thanks
gurney,
hey,
I'm
also,
as
gurney
said,
with
the
red
hat
advanced
customer
management
team.
I
deal
mainly
with
observability
and
a
little
bit
of
how
to
scale
the
product,
redhead
advanced
cluster
management
and
deal
with
edgy
things
about.
You
know,
moving
things
to
the
edge
and
I
guess
my
passion
is
data.
How
to
you
know
the
all
the
data
that
we
collect,
how
to
make
sense
out
of
the
data
how
to
use
that
data
to
make
decisions?
B
C
I've
been
working
on
openshift
since
version
three
and
I've
been
doing
all
kinds
of
things,
but
mainly
my
focus
has
been
on
making
a
consumer's
life
easier
for
for
open
shift
users
right
like
creating
clusters
developing
on
clusters,
and
you
know,
and
before
working
on
hypershift.
I
I
worked
on
hive,
which
is
also
another.
You
know
way
to
grow
another
service
to
create
clusters,
and
so
I
I
worked.
D
D
The
standalone
that
came
out
of
hive
and
the
new
that
fall
under
the
control,
posted
control,
plane
or
hypershift
brand
name
that
we're
going
to
talk
about
today,
but
the
idea
of
managing
that
fleet
and
it
can
be
a
fleet
of
clusters
that
are
your
own,
a
fleet
of
clusters
that
are
managed
a
hybrid
fleet
of
clusters.
You
name
it
we're
in
that
we're
in
that
ballpark
and
as
joy
deep
mentioned
it.
D
I
point
up
because
he's
above
me
at
least
in
the
picture
I
see
in
our
little
brady
bunch
window,
but
as
well
as
at
the
edge,
and
so
you
know,
I'm
excited
to
be
here
and
gurney
and
joe
deep.
I
want
to
thank
you
for
bringing
us
here
on
your
inaugural
episode.
You
know
we
have
the
honor
and
of
of
being
a
part
of
it,
which
is
great.
A
A
This
show
to
get
a
bit
more
of
experience
on
the
show
that
isn't
just
my
my
meager
three
years,
but
today
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
a
cool
piece
of
technology
called
hypershift,
something
that
I
plan
to
break
cause
cause
un
unbelievable
issues
with
soon
once
caesar
lets
me
loose
on
it.
But
before
we
get
into
that,
I
have
just
blatantly
stolen
something
from
andrew
sullivan
of
the
ask
an
openshift
admin
bunch.
A
B
B
In
telco
edge
in
finance
edge
in
manufacturing,
they
all
look
very
different
right.
So
I
was
focusing
on
industrial
edge
because,
as
gurney
said,
brings
an
experience.
Gurney
is
three
years
into
red
hat.
I
worked
for
nine
years
in
industrial
automation
in
industrial
process
control,
so
that's
close
to
my
heart
and
that
relates
in
some
shape
or
form
with
how
how
kubernetes
does
things.
So
what
what?
B
What
I
was
thinking
about
is
you
know
in
steel
plants,
you
have
these
huge
gigantic
machines,
blast
furnaces
ruling,
mills
and
stuff
like
that
which
are
controlled
with
innumerable
devices
right.
So
let's
say
you
want
to
control
pressure
of
a
valve
or
temperature
right.
You
have
a
controller
behind
that.
That
controller
is
a
closed
loop
controller
or
it's
sometimes
called
a
pid
controller.
B
B
If
there's
an
error,
it
does
something
which
is
actually
not
proportional
to
that
error.
But
in
the
pid
control
systems,
which
is
which
is
going
on
for
at
least
60
years
or
so
in
industry,
you
do
things
based
on
error,
so
that
was
that
was
my
realization,
and
that
was
you
know
I
kind
of
ruminated
over
it.
So
I'll
still
continue
to
ruin
it
and
maybe
someday
we'll
talk
about
things
related
than
that.
A
C
A
D
Well,
once
you
said
you
were
putting
me
on
the
spot,
I
was
thinking
well,
you
know
I
could
self-plug
a
little
bit,
so
I
did
a
seven.
We
did
do
a
summit
recorded
summit
demo
on
get
and
it
actually
involves
hosted
control
planes
that
we're
going
to
talk
about
today
and
how
you
might
do
that
as
an
infrastructure
as
code
example.
So
I
recommend
you
check
it
out.
If
you
look
up
my
name,
you'll
find
it.
I
did
it
with
christian
hernandez
who
runs
the
get
ops.
The
get
ops
show.
D
Ups
guide
to
the
galaxy,
which
is
a
show
just
like
this-
that
we
live
stream
on
a
weekly
basis,
and
so
we
talk
about
host
hosting
control
planes
in
there
I
would
otherwise
say
yeah
it
was.
You
know
there
were
all
kinds
of
sort
of
new
pieces
that
came
out.
There
was
some
good
stuff
on
edge
too
that
I
found
interesting.
I
think
you
know
that
seems
to
be
the
next
space
that
we're
we're
moving
towards.
Is
we're
running
these
clusters?
A
D
A
A
Yeah
mine
was
definitely
no
one
said
it
micro
shift.
That
was
definitely
the
highlight
for
me.
I
am
all
for
running
a
raspberry
pi
with
some
some
kubernetes
there
might
consider
switching
out
k3s.
I
have
a
friend
who
runs
k3s
in
his
home,
but
has
a
lot
more
skilled
up
on
the
openshift
side
of
things.
So
microshift
might
be
great
for
him.
He
runs
a
home
assistant.
I
don't
know
if
anyone
here
runs
home
assistant,
but
really
cool,
open
source
project
for
all
things:
smart
home,
so
awesome
project.
A
Okay,
let's
see
since
we've
gone,
we
got
some
highlights
in.
We
got
some
cool
industry
things
in
the
last
one
that
I
that
that
might
mix
into
top
of
mind,
topics
that
I
want
to
start
doing,
and
I've
talked
to
some
fellow
red
hatters
about
this
idea
as
well.
I
I'm
going
to
put
joy
deep
on
the
spot
yet
again
and
I
warned
him
any
open
source
projects
we
should
highlight
today.
A
B
B
B
So
I'm
taking
a
look
at
loki
with
great
deal
of
interest
and
especially
seeing
you
know
if
we
can
collect
critical
events
from
remote
places
and
also
what
we
call
as
matricized
logs
get
key
messages
out
of
logs,
convert
them
to
metrics,
and
things
like
that
and
loki
has
a
other
fantastic
way
to
makes
it
very
easy
to
correlate
metrics
and
logs.
So
you
know,
maybe
we
will
talk
something
about
that
too,
but
that.
A
A
I
was
gonna
say
I
hope
that'll
be
a
future
topic,
feel
free
I'll
drop
the
card
up
here.
If
anyone
has
any
topic
suggestions,
we
have
an
email
address.
I
put
that
together
yesterday
and
made
sure
it
worked.
So
that's
the
due
diligence
here.
We
do
have
an
e
contact
email
address,
but
I
think
joy,
deep
once
we've
had
one
or
two
weeks
of
having
caesar
and
other
folks
on
to
talk
about
how
to
get
yourself
into
a
big
problem
of
having
a
couple
thousand
clusters.
A
B
A
A
I
don't
know
if
anyone
here
is
toyed
with
really
low
level
emulation,
but
I've
very
much
enjoyed
a
video
game
console
emulation
for
a
good
bit
of
my
life.
Recently
I
was
reading
the
pcsx2,
which
is
a
playstation
2.
Emulator
project
has
gotten
a
facelift,
so
they
actually
got
some
ui
folks
in
the
community
to
make
changes
to
their
ui,
so
they're
able
to
get
a
much
much
improved
experience.
That's
the
sort
of
stuff!
A
A
B
A
A
D
Sure
I'll
take
the
share,
but
I
think
we're
definitely
gonna
tag
team
on
this
a
little
bit
as
we
go,
and
you
know
the
first
thing
I'll
I'll
say,
like
I
say
in
all
our
other
meetings,
since
you
know,
gurney
works
with
me
all
the
time
is,
there
are
no
dumb
questions
ever
you
know
any
question
you
ask
there's
definitely
at
least
one
other
person
thinking
the
exact
same
thing.
So,
let's
start
from
the
top.
D
What
is
hypershift,
and
so
actually
caesar
just
mentioned
this,
and-
and
you
know
I
I
lose
track
of
this
fact,
but
hypershift
itself
is
not
a
product
that
is
coming
out
of
red
hat
or
elsewhere.
It
is.
It
is
literally
a
project,
a
project
that
we're
working
on
within
the
openshift
space
that
that
brings
us
this
separation
of
worker
or
workload
and
control
plane,
and
so
today
what
you
see
up
on
the
screen.
D
We've
got
one
of
the
forms
of
openshift
that
you
can
get
today
and
so
there's
standalone,
openshift,
you'll,
hear
us
sort
of
refer
to
that
term
versus
hosted,
hosted,
openshift
and
hosted
control
planes.
So
you
have
standalone
openshift.
That
comes
in
a
number
of
flavors.
One
of
them
is
the
multi-notes
where
you've
got
the
control,
plane,
notes
and
the
worker
notes.
Then
you've
got
the
one
we've
got
up
here,
which
is
the
more
compact
sized
one
where
you've
got
your
master
or
sorry,
your
control,
plane
nodes
and
your
worker
notes
combined
together.
D
So
it
starts
out,
as
maybe
a
three
note.
We've
got
in
the
bare
metal
space
which
has
been
released.
Is
the
single
node,
openshift
or
sn
also
referred
to
as
snow,
where
you've
got
your
control
plane
and
your
worker
workload
running
on
the
the
same
piece,
and
so
hypershift
is
a
project
that
sort
of
takes
this.
The
the
next
step,
but
number
one
it's
to
solve
a
number
of
things
as
well
caesar
one
yeah.
C
So
basically,
people
came
to
us
with
problems
right.
The
the
current
openshift
solves
a
lot
of
problems
and
it's
great,
but
then
there
there's
a
few
issues
that
that
people
came
up
with
like
it
takes
longer
for
longer
than
I
would
like
for
the
cluster
to
come
up
right.
I
I
a
lot
of
the
the
compute
that
I'm
dedicating
to
the
cluster
is
being
taken
up
by
infrastructure
and
the
and
the
master
the
control
planes.
C
C
C
C
C
A
C
A
B
Not
be
a
good
idea
and
to
piggyback
on
that,
the
let's
take,
for
instance,
the
physically
distributed
yellow
data
plane.
So
that's
that's
a
set
of
nodes,
that's
a
set
of
nodes,
that's
running
like
gurney,
said
in
amazon
and
the
control
plane.
That
is
the
cube
api
server
of
that
is
running
in
a
regular
namespace,
the
cube
api
server,
hcd,
etc
running
in
a
regular
namespace
on
the
management
cluster
right.
A
Ahead,
I
was
going
to
say
so
in
the
other.
The
other
question
always
pops
to
mind.
We
have
like
a
eight,
so
I
know
h
a
usually
you
have
three
node,
then
single
node.
Let
you
have
a
single
node.
I
I
assume
that
the
hypershift
control
plane
is
h.
A
three
replicate
usual
deployment
on
the
on
the
hosted
on
the
management
cluster.
D
You
can
run
it
either
way,
so
you
can
run
it
if
we're
looking
for
compact
and
small
and
you're,
you
feel
confident
that
you
know
if
you're,
if
the
node,
that
parts
of
that
control
plane
were
running
on
were
to
go
down,
that
they
would
be
able
to
come
up,
and
you
had
enough
resource
to
back
those
on
the
additional
nodes,
then
you
could
run
that
way
and
there
you
know
the
catch
is
obviously
the
rto.
There
is
a
possibility
of
a
short
outage.
A
A
A
D
You
know
it
gets
into
this
the
comfort
space
and
I
guess
I
don't
think
we
have
a
slide
that
specifically
calls
out
the
different
platforms
that
are
available,
which
means
we
definitely
should
add
one,
but
you've
got
today
at
least
support
for
that's
in
development,
preview
and
tech
preview,
depending
on
which
which
platform
it
is.
We've
got
aws
we've
got
azure
support,
we've
got
cooper,
support
which
would
allow
you
to
create
virtual
worker
nodes
on
your
single,
so
all
contained
in
a
single
openshift
cluster.
C
A
C
A
C
A
So
caesar
what
you're
saying
is
gcp
support,
then
maybe
vsphere
then
we'll
look
at
letting
you
nest
more.
I
mean
I'm
going
to
try
to
go
to
kubevert
and
put
a
cluster
inside
of
a
cluster
inside
of
a
cluster,
because
I
think
if
you
can
get
three
layers
deep,
you
can
you
can
kind
of
keep
going
from
there
inception
style.
A
Hey,
if
you,
if
you
really
want
to,
I
dropped
a
link
to
the
hypershift
community
repo
in
chat,
so
that's
another
great
place
to
follow
up
with
caesar
and
the
team,
absolutely
yeah.
I
I
think
you
guys,
I
I
have
a
list
of
questions
so
spoilers
a
little
bit
of
back
room
talk
to
everyone,
who's
live
here.
A
I
I
put
together
a
list
of
dumb
questions
to
ask,
and
then
they
came
and
said
well
we'd
love
to
talk
about
this
and
they
happened
to
answer
all
of
the
questions
in
the
correct
order,
which
was
shocking.
But
my
my
first
questions
were:
what
is
it?
How
does
it
work,
I'm
going
to
ask
a
lot
of
questions
and
and
what
who
is
it
for
my
next
question,
though,
caesar
josh?
Where
did
the
idea
arise,
is
this?
A
C
Yes,
so
definitely
hosted
control
planes
is
not
new
right.
There's
a
lot
of
other
companies
that
are
offering
hosted
control
planes.
So
all
the
you
know,
gke
all
the
xks
providers
do
some
form
of
hosted
control.
Plane
sap
came
out
with
gardner,
which
has
been
a
project
for
a
long
time,
but
we
hadn't
tackled
this
in
in
in
openshift.
C
Until
ibm
came
to
us,
they
had
been
running,
they
had
been
offering
openshift
3
as
a
hosted
control
plane
way
before
we
knew
wait.
We
had
no
idea.
Ibm
was
doing
this,
but
they
were
you,
know,
running
and
and
actually
offering
to
customers
managed
control
planes
for
openshift
3..
Well,
openshift
3
was,
you
know,
fairly
straightforward.
It
had
a
mono
binary
that
ran
everything.
It
ran
the
the
cube
api
server
controller
manager
scheduler.
C
It
was
fairly
simple
to
to
run
this
way.
Once
we
put
out
openshift
4,
then
things
got
interesting
because
everything
was
controlled
by
operators,
and
so
there
were
operators
operating
on
each
piece
of
the
control
plane
and
there
was
a
ton
of
moving
parts
and
then
ibm
was
like.
We
need
red
hat's
help.
We
can't
do
this
on
our
own
right,
so
they
they
came
to
us
and
they
said
we
we,
you
know
the
only
way
that
it
makes
sense
for
us
to
offer.
C
C
We
needed
a
way
to
run
it
on
something
like
aws
or
or
on
bare
metal,
and
so
we
started
we,
I
I
had
a
you
know
very
small
installer
that
would
take
the
output
of
the
cli
and
would
actually
run
openshift
on
aws
and
yeah.
I
mean
that
and
it
was
only
for
the
pure
necessity
of
debuff
and
testing
ourselves,
but
you
know
we
we
we
showed
it
around
and
actually
people
thought,
like
you
know,
hey.
Why
are
we
not
running
this
right
like
why?
C
A
A
That's
incredible:
we
have
a
very
relevant
question.
We
have
some
awesome
questions
today
about
the
re.
The
resource
requirements
for
a
three
master
hosted
control
plane.
It
should
be
less
than
regular
three
masternodes
put
josh
on
the
spot.
Here.
I
think
especially,
might
know.
This
we've
been
sizing
our
own
internal
deployment,
as
I
prepared
to
set
my
set
of
120
developers
loose
on
this,
to
break
it
and
cause
some
headaches
josh.
What
are
we
looking
like
for
the
utilization.
B
A
D
Is
that
through
mce
and
acm,
mce
being
multi-cluster
engine
which
you
find
inside
of
acm,
which
is
advanced
cluster
management,
the
product
is.
This
is
the
first
time
we
put
that
in
the
user's
hands,
so
the
administrators
in
your
data
center
are
able
to
take
advantage
of
this
technology,
starting
with
acm
2.5,
to
be
able
to
host
your
own
control
planes.
D
Now
you
can
choose
to
do
that
in
a
cloud
provider,
but
also
do
it
on
premise:
in
your
data
center
as
well,
and
take
advantage
of
that
savings
and
that
packing
of
pods,
where
you
you
know
otherwise,
may
have
a
control
plane
that
was
sitting
fifty
percent
unutilized
and
especially
in
the
on-prem.
The
on-prem
circumstances,
where
you
know
you're
buying
servers
of
a
specific
size,
and
so,
if
you
really
you
weren't,
utilizing
those
they
aren't
going
to
be
filled
up.
D
A
A
Yeah
we've
got
a
few
more
questions.
First,
one
I'm
gonna
say
since
josh
is
not
allowed
to
talk
about
our
sizings.
Yet
little
birdie
tells
me
that
we'll
be
able
to
talk
about
that
here
in
a
few
weeks.
Hopefully,
so
I
asked
I'll
toss
this
card
up,
send
an
email
to
cloudmultiplier
redhat.com,
we'll
loop
in
josh,
and
once
we
have
official
figures,
then
we
can
send
you
the
announcement,
docs
and
any
information
that
might
give
some
sizing
on
that.
D
A
C
A
Awesome
and
that's
the
hypershift
project
should
be
linked
in
chat
as
well.
So
the
next
question
caesar,
I
think,
segway's
into
my
next
question.
So
man,
chad,
is
on
top
of
things.
Today,
they
andrew
was
asking
how
compute
nodes
are
provisioned
off
of
the
parent
cluster
we
already
talked
about.
Can
I
have
a
virtual
worker
node?
C
B
C
C
C
First,
it
creates
some
infrastructure
on
aws
to
host
them,
and
then
here
you
see
them
right.
They
show
up
now.
What
happens
with
this
is
that
as
soon
as
that
host
that
cluster
is
created,
mission
pods,
representing
the
control
plane
start
getting
deployed
in
one
of
those
pods
is
the
cluster
api
manager
and
the
cluster
api
provider.
C
Which
are
the
the
the
things
that
the
provider
works
with
right?
The
provider
will
start
looking
at
these,
we'll
start
creating
new
instances
for
them
and
then,
when
the
instance
is
ready,
it
will
say
I'm
ready
here,
and
so
this
is.
This
is
the
thing
that
will
create
new
machines
for
us.
When
you
look
at
the
at
what
that
node
pool
looks
like
let's
go.
Look
at
the
notepoles.
C
C
C
C
C
C
If
I
look
at
my
pods
you'll
see
that
I
still
have
some
pods
starting
up
here,
I
have
xcd.
I
have
cube
api
server,
keep
controller
manager
and
yeah
they're
they're,
still
initializing,
eventually,
they'll
they'll
come
up
and
my
my
control
plane
will
will
be
up
and
ready.
So
if
I
look
at
one
that
I
had
already
running.
A
C
C
C
C
C
B
C
So
if
you
look
here
for
the
different
different
pieces
or
different
roles
that
are
passed
in
to
us,
we
have
an
open
shift
ingress
and
basically
the
role
says
that
this
is
a
role
that
you
created
and
you
allowed
the
management
cluster
to
use
via
an
oidc
provider
right,
so
that
you're
not
this
is.
This
is
all
the
all
the
credits
that
you're
giving
us
and
we're
in
the
management
cluster
we're
not
storing
any
of
your
credits
and
so
yeah
that
that's
something
we
we
wanted
to
to
get
right
in
hypershift.
C
B
A
that's
a
very
big
point
right
since
because
this,
since
this
is
a
single
control
plane
of
all
the
fleet
of
clusters
that
are
running
in
in
probably
your
enterprise,
in
whatever
cloud
this,
this
plane
isn't
storing
any
credentials
whatever
you're
giving,
and
I
I
guess
either
josh.
You
guys
will
say
probably
this.
The
the
access
to
this
to
this
control
plane
doesn't
need
to
go
to
be
open
either
right.
C
C
So
by
default
we
will
use
aes
cdc
encryption,
just
like
standalone
openshift,
but
we
also
support
aws
kms
provider
for
encryption,
and
so
you
we
never
have
to
even
know
what
your
what
your
keys
are
right
like.
Even
though
we're
storing
your
secrets
on
the
management
disk,
we
can't
read
them
from
the
disk
because
you
own
your
keys
and
you
all
you
tell
us-
is
the
arm
to
your
keys
and
we
we
can't
decrypt
it.
A
Awesome
caesar
we
had
a
related
question-
that's
probably
good
to
slot
in
here,
while
you're
showing
us
the
install
config
equivalent
and
there's
already
been
some
chat,
but
I
wanted
to
make
sure
we
addressed
it.
How
will
infer
nodes
work?
I
I
see
this
in
two
ways.
One
can
I
have
a
hypershift
cluster
with
infranodes
and
then
two
can
I
host
hypershift
cluster
control
planes
on
infra
nodes?
A
C
Correct,
yes,
so
by
default
we
don't
force
you
to
have
infra
nodes,
but
basically
you
can
create
a
separate
node
poll
that
you
label
infra,
right
and
and
update
here
the
the
different
operators
that
run
inside
the
guest
cluster
to
be
scheduled
onto
those
dedicated
infra
nodes
from
your
in
front
notebook.
So
things
like
the
image
registry
ingress.
C
C
You
should
not
have
that
running
on
your
workers.
If
you
don't
want
one
right
or
you
may
not
need
an
image
registry
right,
because
all
your
all
your
workloads
have
all
right.
You
already
have
your
own
registry
right,
so
we
can.
We
should
we're
we're
thinking
of
making
those
optional.
It's
not
there
yet,
but
that's
something!
That's
gonna
eventually
come.
D
A
D
We'd
be
happy
to
get
you
info
on
how
the
licensing
side
of
it
works
with
the
vcpus
in
the
hypership
space,
and
then
there
was
one
about
install,
so
it
was
asked
below
and
I
think
gurney
had
written
it
in
the
chat.
But
so
the
delivery
mechanism
to
get
access
to
host
to
control
planes
is
through
acm
and
mce.
D
And
so
mce
is
an
operator
that
at
a
very
basic
level,
is
available
for
any
install
of
openshift
and
with
any
openshift
license.
So
if
you
have
a
deployed
openshift,
you
can
add
the
mce
operator
and
either
turn
that
host
into
or
sorry
cluster
into
a
hypershift
management,
cluster
or
hosting
cluster
for
control
planes
or
you
can
use
it
to
create
other
open
shift
clusters
and
use
those
as
as
hosting
clusters
as
well
or.
D
A
We
actually
have
a
have.
Someone
asked
the
next
question
on
my
list
as
well,
which
is
what
is
the
networking
look
like?
How
do
the?
How
do
the
nodes
connect
to
the
management
cluster
I'll,
extend
that
question
a
bit,
I'm
going
to
steal
the
question
a
bit
and
say:
is
there
a
benefit
to
have
your
control,
have
your
control,
plane,
management,
cluster
in
the
same
data
center
cloud
region,
etc?
That
you
have
your
worker
notes.
Does
that?
Are
we
sensitive
to
latency.
C
For
example,
we
in
aws
we
support
private
guest
clusters
and
the
the
way
that
the
private
guest
clusters
communicate
with
the
control
plane
is
via
private
link.
So
no
no
network
goes
through
the
through
the
cloud
it
just
you
know
goes
internally
within
amazon.
If
you
are
using
that
your
regions
and
zones
need
to
match
with
the
with
the
management
cluster
right
like
that,
it's
a
limitation
of
aws.
C
Both
you
know
both
management,
cluster
and
and
guest
cluster
need
to
have
the
same
regions
for
private
link
to
work.
There's
more
flexibility,
if
you're
not
doing
that.
If
you're,
not
using
private
clusters,
where
you
know,
I
would
say
we
would
recommend
running
within
the
same
region
and
if
you're
gonna
have
multiple
management
clusters
at
least
have
one
per
region
that,
where
you're
gonna
run
your
workloads
but
yeah
that
that
would
be
what
I
would
recommend
the
so
networking.
C
C
Initially,
we
had
a
vpn
setup
to
do
that.
We
were
using
openvpn,
but
connectivity
seems
like
a
better
solution
for
that.
It's
an
application
layer
tunnel.
So
basically
the
way
it
works
is
your
worker
dials
into
the
control
plane,
because
it
can
access
the
control
plane
and
then,
through
the
tunnel
established
by
that
worker.
The
control
plane
talks
back
to
the
worker
and
yeah
that
that's
how
that
communication
is
set
up
and
let
me
see
what
else.
D
I
was
going
to
say
at
spoiler,
although
not
officially
supported,
so
you
can,
for
example,
have
a
control
plane
running
on
aws
and
to
answer
one
of
the
questions
it's
ami
is
under
the
course
under
the
cover.
So
sorry,
the
control
plane
is
pots.
The
workers
in
aws
would
be
amis,
but
you
can
have
the
control
plane
in
aws,
while
the
worker
nodes
are
in
azure
as
an
example
and
at
least
it'll
connect
up
and
for
basic
workloads.
D
It
works,
but
as
caesar
was
pointing
out
like
it,
depending
on
what
you
what
you're
doing,
I
think
it's
you
know.
You
need
to
be
cognizant
of
the
fact
that
you're
literally
traveling
across
the
the
internet-
and
I
I
suspect
that
and
again
we
don't
have
pms
here.
So
we
can.
We
can
talk
about
all
the
possibility,
but
I
suspect
the
official
matrix
will
be
a
little
different,
but
just
to
give
you
an
idea
of
sort
of
the
the
cross-connecting
that
can
be
done.
It's
it's.
A
A
B
A
Engineers
we're
just
going
to
tell
you
what
we've
hacked
to
get
working.
I
there's
caesar
I
just
have
to
put
this
on
screen,
because
some
they've
they've
had
a
taste
of
it
and
they
would
they're
wondering
when
oop
wrong
one
when
they
can
have
vmware
and
openstack.
I
think
the
best
answer
for
this
that
I'll
try
to
add
liv
is
the
hypershift
project
is
an
open
source
project
and
they
are
working
as
quickly
as
they
can
to
get
there,
but
it's
also
a
great
place
to
collaborate.
A
A
D
D
To
you
with
just
your
ocp
license,
you
activate
that
which
is
about
a
two-minute
procedure
for
the
operator
to
deploy.
You
add,
an
add-on
which
will
activate
the
hypershift
operator,
which
is
what's
doing
a
bunch
of
the
heavy
lifting
initializing
this
stuff
that
that
we
just
saw
demonstrated
by
caesar
under
the
covers
that
will
initiate
it
on
that
cluster
itself
and
make
it
a
management
cluster
or
you
can
create
other
clusters
or
import
other
clusters
with
with
acm
or
mce,
and
make
those
into
management
clusters
as
well.
D
A
A
That
out
in
live
chat,
that's
it's
my
bad
and,
let's
see
before
we
close
out,
we'll
probably
wrap
it
up.
If
no
one
had
anything
else
and
then
I
have
one
last
thing
to
pop
up
on
screen,
we
can
laugh
about
it,
give
a
non-committal
answer
and
then
disappear
before
we're
back
every
second
and
fourth
tuesday.
I
know
that
causes
headaches.
It
would
have
been
worse
doing
every
other
tuesday,
because
they're
like
two
fifth
tuesdays
every
every
year,
so
we'll
be
here-
1
p.m.
Eastern
every
second
and
4th
tuesday.
A
D
Here,
though,
is
that
you
know
we
talked
about
how
this
is
the
underpinnings
for
what
ibm
is
doing
in
their
managed
offerings,
and
so
you
know
it's
very
it's
easy
to
understand
and
extrapolate
how
this
becomes.
A
part
of
red
hat,
managed
offerings
as
well,
and
red
hat.
Manage
offerings
include,
but
are
not
limited
to
osd
ar
and
rosa's
faces.
A
A
Well,
thanks
again
for
cesar
and
josh
for
joining
us,
thanks
for
hosting
co-hosting
me
with
me.
As
always,
joy,
deep
and
we'll
see,
everyone
in
two
weeks
feel
free
to
send
us
an
email.
If
you
have
anything
at
our
show,
contact
otherwise
catch
you
in
two
weeks
we
don't
have
an
outro
yet
so
I'll
have
one
by
then
see
y'all.