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A
It
exists,
it's
kind
of
a
stub
I'll
work
on
that
in
my
free
time,
but
we
have
something.
A
C
A
A
That
I
realized
yesterday
during
the
cert
sig,
I
can't
talk
and
type.
At
the
same
time,.
A
All
right:
everybody
welcome
to
the
july
13th
edition
of
the
open,
ssf's
education
sig.
Do
we
have
anybody
new
that
we're
gonna
introduce
themselves
to
say
hello
to
the
group.
D
Yeah
sal
here
some
of
you
have
met
me
before
I
don't
know.
If
I've
been
on
this
call,
but
definitely
not
for
months
yeah.
I
wanted
to
jump
in
and
see
if
there's
any
sport
that
I
can
give
around
some
more
open
source
supply
chain
content
sometime
this
year.
B
D
Also,
one
minor
note:
yes,
no.
This
is
not
the
purpose
of
the
call,
but
I
have
been
getting
some
wonky
issues
with
the
platform.
Taking
your
current
cyber
security
thing,
it's
giving
me
weird
results
on
questions,
so
maybe
that's
a
follow-up
that
you
can
point
me
towards
it's
just
a
technical
issue.
D
D
C
Okay,
so
shoot
me
an
email
I
will.
I
will
put
in
the
chat
my
email
address.
Basically,
you
know
tell
me
you
know
everything
you
can
about
where
the
problem
is,
you
know,
so
we
can
try
to
reproduce
it.
D
C
Okay,
because
they
may
have
to
come
back
to
you
to
figure
out,
you
know
repeat
because
thank
you
for
letting
us
know,
and
we
want
to.
We
want
to
fix
that.
So
thank
you.
A
A
It
is
lower
in
the
notes.
So
if
you
scroll
down
the
meeting
notes,
we
actually
have
our
notes
yeah
and
we're
going
to
talk
about
beyond
the
first
year
to
try
to
vet
things
after
post
20,
20,
second
half
of
2023
and
beyond.
C
I
I
don't
see
the
manager
ones
did
we
have
that
we
had
that
noted
at
10,
but
I
I
don't.
I
don't
know
that
we
actually
were
going
to
so.
A
If
you
look
at
the,
if
you
click
on
the
references
on
the
left
hand,
side
of
the
meeting
notes,
just
above
that
we
had
some
target
trainings,
we
had
higher
education.
A
Doc,
you
don't
see
the
outline
view.
A
A
A
Okay,
and
if
anyone
has
any
other
kind
of
target
audiences,
we
may
wish
to
either
modify
or
develop
training
for
just
toss
it
down
there
for
now
and
we'll
get
that
when
we
actually
write
the
plan.
Yes,
clint.
E
Yeah,
I
actually
updated
the
stream
one
comments
document
as
well
to
provide
feedback
because
yeah
I
missed
that
part.
So
some
of
the
things
I
actually
put
there
because,
for
example,
ideally,
you
also
want
maybe
to
have
like
job
transfer
boot
camp
as
an
audience.
People
who
wants
to
do
a
whole
different
profession.
E
Actually
I
did
with
the
current
skf
material
that
we
have.
I
actually
used
it
to
transfer
a
guy
who
was
a
cook
and
now
he's
a
junior
cyber
security
tester.
E
A
I
will
track
down
the
stream
one
notes
and
grab
that
feedback.
C
Yeah
we
already
covered
boot
camp,
didn't
we,
which
is
often
how
I
mean
between
boot,
camp
and
and
universities,
I'm
hoping
that
would
be
covered
because
I
agree.
I
agree
with
the
goal:
I'm
just
not
sure
how
we're
not
covering
them.
E
Yeah
there,
the
boot
camp
section
as
well
but
yeah-
I
I
didn't-
have
the
context
what
it
actually
meant
so.
A
All
right,
we
will
go
back
and
we
actually
will
have
once
we
finish
reviewing
the
written
plan
and
we
start
to
write
the
2.0
version.
We
actually
will
write
down
target
audiences
personas
that
we
want
to
develop
the
training
for
so
that'll
be
a
next
step
for
us
and
if
you
have
any
ideas,
just
toss
them
into
the
notes
now,
so
that
we
can
get
those
addressed.
A
All
right,
so,
let's
look
at
the
beyond
first
year,
co
annual
goals.
So
the
first
goal
here
is
localize
the
most
critical
education
materials
into
five
languages.
E
Because
maybe
it
was
already
addressed
in
the
start
of
the
meeting
that
I
joined
late
last
time.
But
what
is
actually
the
scope
of
this
secure
development?
Because
you
know
my
area
is
really
in
the
web
api
infrastructure
a
bit
of
mobile,
but
where?
How
broad
are
we
going
to
do
and
what
would
be
the
scope
for
the
mtp.
A
So
this
particular
item
glenn
is
human
languages,
not
computer
languages.
So
we
would
translate
this
into
mandarin
french
spanish.
We
would
find
out
the
the
five
most
popular
international
languages
and
translate
the
material.
So
we
did
address
your
your
c
c,
plus
plus
as
computer
languages.
We
will
need
to
have
training,
for
we
talked
about
that
last
week,
so
that'll
be
part
of
what
the
body
of
work
we
make
and
then
this
particular
item
we
would
translate
teaching
c,
plus
plus
security
development
into
french,
for
example,.
C
A
Does
it
help
clarify
that
point
for
you,
so
any
questions
about
making
the
content
available
for
more
international
audiences
beyond
english.
A
The
next
point
was
to
manage
relations
with
organizations
universities
to
adopt
secure
software
content.
The
idea
here
is
hiring
people
and
making
this
their
job
to
go
around
and
talk
to
different
programs.
What
colleges
and
universities
things
like
girls
who
code
effort
that
program
so
somebody's
job,
is
to
evangelize
and
try
to
get
content
more
broadly
adopted.
E
Yeah,
I
had
a
remark
here.
So
is
this
region
based
that
we
select
per
region
people
who
do
it
in
that
region,
because
then
two
people
yeah
it's
going
to
be
tricky.
So
actually
my
suggestion
would
be
to
split
it
up.
Yeah
like
more
regionalized,
so
I
don't
know
how
many
regions
we
have
on
top
of
my
mind,
because
that's
not
my
cup
of
tea
but
let's
say
europe,
asia,
usa,
and
that
we
then
allocate
that
amount
of
money
for
those
regions
to
have
that
impact.
A
Okay,
that's
a
good
suggestion.
I
don't.
The
initial
intention
was
just
to
find
some
bodies
and
have
them
start
doing
this.
But
that
is
a
point.
We
have
a
lot
of
different
geographies.
We
want
to
get
this
content
to
so
we
would
need
to
address
that
so
when
we
procedurally,
when
we're
done
talking
through
these
points
and
adding
additional
things,
we're
going
to
build
a
new
document,
that'll
be
the
plan
and
then
we'll
start
to
fill
in
details.
A
So
when
we
get
back
to
this,
we'll
have
a
swag
saying
we
would
like
one
person
per
major
geography.
You
know
and
be
a
pack.
C
Yeah
I
actually
modified
within
the
meeting
notes
themselves.
They
may
be
split
by
region,
because
I
think
that
is
a
an
important
point
and
just
making
it
simple
to
capture
it
that
way.
Yeah.
A
I
agree
and
we'll
actually
create
a
new
document
and
we'll
have
to
we'll
have
to
probably
do
a
little
bit
better
a
fact
finding
on
budgets-
and
you
know
figure
out
where
the,
how
we're
going
to
potentially
the
logistics
of
hiring
these
people,
where
they
would
report
to
that
type
of
stuff.
But
that'll
be
a
future
detail
we'll
iron
out.
A
A
I
am
unfamiliar
with
this.
Do
you
have
specifics
on
what
this
might
be
david?
Is
this
a
thing
that
exists
in
academia,
wait
which
one
number
four,
the
yeah
create
and
curate
development,
secure
practices,
library
in
the
open
education,
resource
platform.
C
B
Well,
how
about
we
set
aside
the
question
of
platform
and
just
set
that
aside
and
have
it
simply
be
a
library
of
resources
and
then
the
determination
of
where
that
library
lives
is
for
future
people
to
figure
out
like
this
is
beyond
first
year
right.
So.
B
Out
at
that
point,
what
is
the
most
popular
or
most
reliable,
or
what
have
you
resource
where
we
can
collaborate
and
share
with
them
our
our
stuff.
C
C
Yeah,
let's
see
here,
okay.
C
F
F
C
Yeah
yeah
the
problem
I'm
having
is
that
yeah.
If
that's
the
case,
this
may
be
a
leftover
from
the
time
when
we
were
oh,
we
only
were
on
edx
and
the
certificates
were
pretty
expensive.
That
was
a
problem
that
we
solved
by
switching
over
to
the
lf's
own
platform,
where
we
can
control
the
costs
so
and
from
a
licensing
point
of
view,
the
the
course
material
has
always
been
free
in
both
senses.
C
B
Important
and
the
presentation
layer
of
the
information
it
should
be
secondary
to
the
information
itself
right.
D
B
I
agree
I
don't
want
to
get.
I
don't
want
to
bike
shed
on
it
right
now,
because
it
is
a
pretty
important
question.
Where
are
we
going
to
publish
this
stuff,
but
it
might
not
be
on
some
sort
of
learning
platform.
It
could
be
that
we
publish
books.
It
could
be
that
we
publish
books
and
make
them
available
on
internet
archive.
It
could
be
that
we
make
videos,
it
there's
any
number
of
ways.
We
could
do
this
right,
so
I
would
skip
that
question
completely.
B
Make
it
a
separate
item
to
determine
the
appropriate
place.
To
put
this,
I
would
rather,
we
work
funneling
every
piece
of
information
through
the
linux
foundation.
I
would
rather,
we
were
able
to
expand
our
scope
and
provide
resources
that
can
be
used
by
anyone,
rather
than
just
being
a
legion
opportunity
for
for
linux,
foundation,
training
and
now
I'll
get
off
my
soapbox
and
drink.
My
coffee.
D
A
C
C
Okay,
it's
it
looks
like
it's
coming
from
set
par
part,
one,
creating
oer
library
of
secure
development
practices.
I
mean
literally
that's
all
it
says
so
we'll
need
to
figure
out
what
that
means,
or
maybe
table
it.
If
it's
not
actually
all
that
important.
E
To
be
honest,
like
you
know,
if
you
look
at
skip,
we
actually
also
try
to
do
similar
things
with
like
the
top
five
programming
languages
where
you
have
like
hey.
This
is
a
secure
implementation
of
requirement
x
right
and
I
I
think
that
feels
a
bit
dissimilar
like
that
one
like
secure
practice,
library,
where
you
have
just
code
snippets
where
you
can
look
and
get
inspirational,
how
to
implement
certain
things
and,
of
course,
that
needs
to
be
somewhere
hosted
in
the
platform,
reviewed,
etc.
C
Yeah,
but
this
may
be
something
of
a
side
note,
but
it
might
be
better
if
the
goal
is
code
snippets,
it
might
be
better
to
work
with
stack
overflow
to
fix
the
code
snippets
to
actually
be
secure
for
a
trade.
C
E
The
problem
is
that
you
know,
and
also
notice,
for
myself,
with
sdf
nobody's
really
actually
updating
it
again
in
the
right
context
with
new.
You
know
lessons
learned
so
yeah.
A
Well,
I
have
an
idea
for
that.
Glenn
we'll
talk
another
time,
but
I
I
think
we
part
of
our
evangelism
is
getting
tools
like
skf
out
there.
That
is
the
more
practical
piece
of
the
education
hands-on
keyboard
and
I
think
if
we
go
out
there
and
start
doing
some
demos,
we
might
be
able
to
encourage
some
participation
and
contribution
back,
but
moving
to
our
next
point
implement
a
system
to
track
over
time.
C
I
I
think
we
are
to
list
at
least
some
e-m's,
so
at
least
I
have
in
mind
github
get
lab
linkedin.
Indeed,.
C
F
Mr
could
we
have
an
ability
to.
I
have
a
note
on
the
side.
My
thought
process
is:
would
we
have
a
feedback
loop
on
people
who
actually
took
the
training
and
attribute
the
result
of
the
training
and
their
badge
to
their
hiring
are
indeed
getting
an
interview
and
because
that's
the
real
value
we're
trying
to
offer,
I
feel,
is
people
assist
people
get
jobs
at
the
end
of
it
and
for
companies
to
have
a
bigger
pool
of
people
to
hire
from.
So
how
could
we
expect
that.
C
F
Let
me
my
how
to
phrase
it
an
ability.
D
D
I
mean
this
is
really
good.
There's
also
we're
missing
an
incentivizing
vector,
like
I'm
working
a
lot
with
cncf
right
now,
like
I
can't
even
get
them
to
do
security,
because,
like
eight
out
of
ten
of
the
projects,
don't
have
a
security
protocol
or
anyone
to
contact
right
like
so
at
a
foundational
level,
we
really
need
to
propagate
and
probably
mandate
this
training
for
those
who
are
currently
acting
as
maintainers
as
well.
This
also
really
improves
the
vector
for
new
maintainers,
which
has
been
a
really
big
issue
in
my
book.
A
We
we
did
talk
about
this
last
time,
sal,
so
that's
actually
part
of
the
year.
One
discussion
is:
we
want
to
figure
out
ways
to
incentivize
developers,
I'm
encouraging
foundation
members
to
hire
these
trained
newly
trained
professionals,
so
we'll
be
spending
some
more
time
kind
of
sussing
that
out,
but
that's
up
that
was
like
a
year.
One
goal
as
opposed
to
in
the
future,
we'll
track
it
yeah.
Let's
get
that
done.
B
A
We
talked
about
scholarships
is
one
avenue
of
incentivizing
things,
scholarships
and
grants.
They
find
it
in
the
notes.
A
D
A
A
C
A
I
am
adding
the
maintainer
persona
as
a
target
area
for
training.
We
need
to
have
specific
things
for
maintainers.
I
think
there's
a
large
body
of
work
we
can
borrow
from
from
kubernetes
and
kernel
and
everybody
to
help
inform.
This
is
what
it
means
to
be
a
maintainer
and
how
to
be
how
to
do
things
goodly
and
securely.
A
C
Yes,
I
I
I
was
in,
let's
see
page
six
first
year,
goals
and
costs
yes,
so
I,
by
the
way
the
numbering
started
at
nine,
so
I
just
fixed
that
the
numbering
starts
at
one.
Thank
you.
So
maybe
that
needs
to
be
at
a
12
or
something
related.
Sorry.
C
C
C
Yeah
yeah,
so
I
have
thought
that
we
had
something
about
incentivizing
maintainers,
but
I.
C
A
I
know
I
know
we
have
talked
about
so
let's
so,
if
you
go
down
to
page
six,
everybody
yeah
on
the
last
week's
meeting
notes
david
added,
a
bullet
12.
and
let's
talk.
F
A
Incent,
let's
pause
the
beyond
year,
one
let's
talk
about
first
year
and
incentivizing,
so
let's
put
some
things
in
here
around
incentivizing,
just
in
general,
whether
it's
encouraging
employers
to
hire
these
people.
It's
encouraging
people
to
take
the
training.
It's
specifically
encouraging
maintainers
to
you,
know,
get
badges.
Let's
suss
this
out
a
little
bit.
A
C
You
know
and
employers,
what
can
we
do
with
employers.
A
B
B
Sorry,
but
that's
that's
easier
said
than
done.
B
This
is
something
that
we
in
lpi
we've
been
working
on
for
more
than
a
decade
and
it
is
surprisingly
difficult
to
motivate
people
hard
to
motivate
companies
to
hire
people
who
have
not
only
training
but
certification
you'd
think
it
would
be
a
slam
dunk,
but
it's
not,
which
doesn't
mean
we
shouldn't
try
for
it,
but
I'm
just
setting
expectations
appropriately
that
it's
going
to
be
a
hard
one.
D
Yeah
I
mean
kind
of
the
premise
of
open
source
and
hiring
in
it
right
is
you
hire
the
person
with
the
demonstrated
work
right,
but
one
of
the
major
issues
that
we
have
right
now
is
that
the
reason
why
there
is
a
dearth
of
qualified
maintainers
is
that
they're
busy
maintaining
and
they
do
not
upskill
anyone
into
those
formally
which
again
I'll
say
it
again,
and
none
of
them
not
a
single
one,
is
cyber
security,
training
and
I'm
terrified.
D
But
so
I
think
in
this
case,
typically
the
probably
like
paid
maintainer
things.
There's
gonna
be
people
who
are
already
employed
or
already
engaging
on
a
project
right.
Those
are
maintainers,
but
I
think
it's
a
very
good
pathway
that
we
can
build
from
some
of
the
lower
level
training
once
somebody
has
a
year
or
two
of
demonstrated
on
project
effort,
then
they're
qualified
for
this
sort
of
maintainer
level
activity
right.
So
I
I
think
we
can
separate
those
aims
based
on
the
audience
a
little
bit
more
clearly
and.
A
Very
tactically,
mr
bellandorf
is
a
very
good
salesperson.
He
meets
with
the
governing
board
very
frequently
if
we
put
a
bug
in
his
ear
that
he
should
help
support
this
program
with
the
governing
board
members
to
encourage
hiring
of
these
types
of
people.
With
these
credentials,
I
think
we
could
be
have
a
smaller,
smaller
scope
of
success.
You
know
there's
only
a
handful
of
people
on
that
level.
We
could
figure
out
some
way
to
augment
that.
D
Yeah,
I
mean
just
a
little
bit
of
context
around
this
right,
so
I
I've
been
building
out
this
thing
that
takes
the
clo
monitor,
takes
those
outputs
and
puts
the
sort
of
indications
for
what
you
should
do
directly
into
prs.
So
it's
nicely
automated.
It
sits
where
people
actually
care,
which
is
just
in
the
pr's,
but
even
then
right.
So
many
of
these
don't
even
have
things
like
best
practices
around
merging.
D
A
I
I
really
like
this
angle
a
lot
because
again,
we've
talked
about
just
you
know:
david's
courses
around
just
general
good
practices
and
some
specific
techniques
and
then
like
glenn's
skf,
is
hands-on
keyboard,
but
we've
never
really
talked
a
lot
about
maintenance
of
the
software,
and
I
think
this
would
be
a
very
beneficial
augmentation
of
existing
information
and
a
good
focus
area,
so
anything
else
around
incentivizing
maintainers.
So
we
we
also
talked
about
the
scholarships
grants
as
a
potential
avenue
of
encouraging
people
to
incentivize
them.
A
To
do
this
any
other
ideas
we
might
have
around
incentivizing
maintainers.
I.
F
Think
contests
having
a
list
of
what's
in
it
for
me,
would
be
very
useful
for
why
would
they
want
to
take
this
course
and
where
are
we
framing
the
education?
As
in
I
just
put
a
comment
in
the
chat
about
like
in
ireland,
we
have
qqi
so
straight
away.
We
know
where
what
that
training
and
what
level
it's
at
and
how
do
where
do
we
place
the
training
with
regard
to
other
training?
That's
out
there
that
employers
may
be
looking
for.
Our
students
may
like
to
have
those
letters
after
their
name.
F
A
About
accreditation,
but
yes,
we
we
need
to
think
about
how
we
get
this
increase.
The
prestige.
F
C
All
right,
I
have
a
crazy
idea.
Excuse
me,
sorry
about
that
or
all
for
some
open
source
maintainers
have
the
requirement.
All
maintainers
must
take
a
course
in
developing
secure
software.
D
Make
it
required
and
then.
D
Well,
there's
also,
I
mean
we
can
sort
of
carrot
and
stick
this
as
well.
But
the
stick
is
not
us.
It's
the
attack
vectors.
Honestly,
we
are
at
a
place
where
we
can
sit
and
genuinely
write.
Do
an
sca
on
the
open
source
projects
see
which
ones
stack
from
least
to
most
vulnerable
and
make
sure
that
we
keep
ecosystems
safe
in
this
way.
So
we
should
encourage
the
training
as
soon
as
they
get
a
basic
understanding
of
what
these
attack
vectors
really
look
like
and
why
they
should
be
incentivized.
D
Then
it's
a
good
place
for
us
to
bring
in
that
clear
automation.
Around
vulnerabilities
called
semi-automation
around
awareness,
at
least
where
they're
incentivized
to
take
action,
so
I
would
I
mean,
and
that
needs
to
be
incentivized
year
after
year,
so
I
would
consider
awarding
it
to
the
level
of
projects
right.
Most
secure,
open
source
projects
is
something
that
we
should
be
having
them
aiming
for.
E
Now,
when
we
also
talk
about
crazy
ideas,
I
have
another
one.
So
what
if
there
would
be
incentive
right
for
the
maintainers
not
only
to
take
the
courses
but
that
they
also
really
have
like
support
somebody
actively
helping
them
explaining
certain
topics
I
mean
yeah,
it's
maybe
not
realistic,
but
in
an
ideal
situation
you
know
if
you
push
them
and
you
want
to
incense
type
them,
but
they
have
like
a
channel
or
somewhere
person
to
reach
out
to
ask.
E
You
know
the
in-depth
questions
and
help
them,
because
if
you
can
help
them,
sometimes
concept
can
be
explained
in
one
minute.
But
if
you
let
them
struggle
yeah,
maybe
they
drown
and
don't
do
it
or
do
it
very
wrongly
right,
so
maybe
have
this
life
support
or
mentoring.
Indeed,
capability
would
maybe
be
a
great
incentive
to
go
that
route
and
put
in
the
effort
and
get
your
stuff
in
order.
B
I
really
like
the
idea
of
a
mentor
network
of
some
variety,
I'm
not
sure
where
it
fits
into
the
plan
where
it
spots
in,
but
I
do
think
it
would
be
very
important
for
success
and
if
you
look
at
things
like
exorcism
dot
io,
where
people
gain
fluency
in
various
programs,
programming,
languages
of
expertise,
it's
it's
incredibly
effective
at
helping
people
learn
and
a
large
part
of
that
is
because
of
the
mentors
and
yeah.
That's
I.
Why
haven't
we
thought
of
that
before
thanks
glenn?
That's
great.
C
Yeah,
let
me
quickly
comment,
I
love
mentorships,
but
I
will
say
that
they're
a
killer
for
time,
so
I
I
just
added
office
hours.
I
noticed
something
some.
Maybe
we
can
merge
these
two,
but
you
know
in
there
there's
no
way.
I
I
actually
do
mentor
one
person
right
now,
but
you
know
there's
just
no
way
to
for
me
to
mentor
the
universe
and
I
suspect
the
same
is
true
for
others,
but
a
an
office
hours
and
ask
me
anything.
Webinar,
absolutely.
A
Specific
to
that
point,
the
alpha
and
omega
team
is
spinning
up
office
hours
for
the
foundation.
So
if
we're
interested,
we
can
grab
one
or
many
of
those
slots
as
long
as
we
can
provide.
You
know
the
the
people
that
have
the
expertise
to
help
with
that
mentorship.
D
Yeah,
that
sounds
great.
I
would
say
for
like
the
initial
cohort
of
maintainers
going
through
this
right,
they're
they're
gonna
need
that
they're
also
gonna
be
bringing
up
a
bunch
of
edge
cases.
We
won't
have
thought
of
right,
because
every
project
does
have
slightly
different
practices
for
good
reasons,
but
then
the
mentorship
model
should
be
at
the
level
of
the
project,
specifically
because
they
are
all
so
different.
D
So
if
we
can
incentivize
that
I
was
wondering-
and
I
can't
find
the
numbers
on
this-
do
we
know
how
long
on
average
an
open
source
maintainer
remains
in
that
role,
because
I
would
estimate
it's
like
two
years
or
20
years,
because
they
can't
get
anyone
else
to
maintain
it
right.
But
if
we
could
know
what
sort
of
the
cycle
rate
is
or
make
that
more
standard
that
people
understand,
they
have
to
do
that.
C
I
don't
think
we
we
have
that,
but
I'm
actually
not
I'm
not
sure,
would
help
you.
I
I
because
the
cycle
time
is
very
much
more
based
on
the.
What
is
the
it's
human
motivations?
C
Really
I
mean
torvalds
has
been
doing
this
since
the
90s
because
he
likes
doing
it.
You
know
you
know,
there
are
other
folks
who
you
know.
Larry
wall
hasn't
done
pearl
and
deck
in
like
two
decades.
So
it's
just
you
know
it's
much
more
human
related,
but
I
so
rather
than
focus
on
the
number.
I
think
we
can
take
it
as
a
certainty
that
we
are
all
mortal
and
you
know
no
matter
what
we
will
eventually
stop
being
involved
in
a
project
either
of
our
own
free
wills
or
not.
C
A
Yeah
all
right
any
other
ideas
around
and
said
this
is
some
excellent
builds
that
we
lost
or
overlooked
last
week.
C
So
I
just
added
this
little
thing
here:
encourage
devs
to
identify
successors
and
make
education
slide,
certification,
part
of
success
or
growth.
C
D
Yeah,
I
think
that's
perfect
and
then
over
time,
with
some
of
the
additional
training
that
you
are
just
more
broadly.
D
D
Sometimes
maintainers
just
do
not
think
that
anyone
wants
to
take
their
job,
which,
in
a
lot
of
cases,
is
also
true,
but
I
think
I
mean
there's
a
major
need
right
now
for
some
of
these,
like
really
sort
of
interwebs
ecosystems
and
particularly
thinking
about
cncf's
technical
ecosystem.
Here,
if
we
can
sort
of
identify
the
training
and
say
hey
look
because
you
can
also
maintain
more
than
one
project
right
say:
look
as
a
maintainer
or
a
successor
into
this.
We
need
to
move
you
onto
this
project
if
you're
up
for
it.
D
If
they
have
that
baseline
knowledge,
we
just
need
to
be
able
to
identify
the
individuals
with
the
skill
set
and
desire,
and
that
just
does
not.
It's
not
surfaced
right
now,
but
this
allows
that
to
be
there.
A
A
Tracking
we'll
be
expanding
the
certification,
badges
and
rewards,
which
is
related
to
the
conversation
we
just
had.
A
A
So
scrolling
up
continue
the
partnerships
office,
and
that
is
something
we
had
talked
about
in
year.
One
pairing
up
with
historically
black
colleges
and
universities,
organizations
like
girls
who
code
and
three
or
four
target
organizations
for
the
underserved
communities
that
we
had
tried.
We
were
hoping
to
get
this
content
to
and
make
it
more
readily
available
for
those
types
of
folks.
So
the
point
here
is:
we
would
like
to
continue
that
program
and
fund
that,
however,
it
moves
forward.
A
Glenn
actually
had
the
idea
of
a
developer
hackathon,
as
opposed
to
like
a
capture
of
the
flag.
Well,
some
type
of.
D
Well,
no
mlh
is
an
organization,
so
they
used
to
run
hackathons,
but
they've
shifted
through
the
pandemic.
To
provide
some
pretty
good
sort
of
their
model
is
sort
of
a
more
holistic
way
of
developing
developers.
D
So
they'll
have
you
describe
the
project
that
you
want
to
make
gives
you
a
lot
of
project
management
skills
along
with
the
training
that
they
provide,
so
it
differentiates
itself
in
that
way.
But
if
we
want
to
solve
the
problem
of
hiring
partnering
with
them
will
also
do
that
because
they
have
discrete
partnerships
with
major
tech
companies
right.
So
this
could
be
a
cool
opportunity
and
this
might
fix
the
like
pay,
the
maintainers
for
new
maintainers
problem
of
providing
that
maintainer
pathway
through
theirs
or
partnering
with
theirs.
What
was.
D
So
major
league
hackathons,
so
the
rest
of
these
some
of
these
are
contribute
like
community
driven
and
some
of
these
are.
I
think
that
one
is
going
to
have
the
most
effective
partnership
outcome
from
this
list,
but
put
the
content
everywhere
partner
with
everyone.
A
C
C
A
And
so
now
that
we've
completed
the
review
of
the
plan
as
written
we're
going
to
go
back
through
and
I'll
start
to
reassemble
the
next
generation
version
of
this
document,
and
I
would
like
to
actually
suss
out
so
for
scholarships
for
developers
we'll
need
to
write
down
some
more
details
of
a
plan
of
what
we're
looking
to
do.
Who
we're
looking
to
provide
these
things
to
and
how
this
might
be
executed.
And
we
have
the
opportunity
to
revise
dollar
figures.
A
So
if
we
think
250
000
is
low,
we
have
the
ability
to
adjust
that
to
a
more.
A
A
What
technically
tactically
or
procedurally
happens
is
we
would
take
that
plan
to
the
governing
board
to
have
them
review
and
vote
on
whether
they
want
to
fund
this
or
not,
and
then
they
try
to
solicit
direct
contributions
for
member
organizations
or
any
you
know,
potentially
government
organizations
or
private
entities
potentially
to
help
fund
this,
so
that
that'll
be
our
kind
of
end
goal,
as
that
goes
to
the
governing
board
for
review
and
approval
vicki.
B
So
I
would
keep
this
book.
Obviously
we're
going
to
keep
this.
I
think
it's
a
great
idea-
and
I
I
don't
think
I'm
alone
in
that,
but
drop
the
amount,
because
what
I
would
like
to
see
us
do
with
this
is
to
have
an
iterative
process
where
the
first
year,
we
do
have
say
only
to
only
250
000,
and
then
we
can
have
iterate
right
and
see
what
worked,
what
didn't
and
then
the
next
year
have
a
million
and
then
the
next
year,
half
right.
B
So
if
we
drop
the
amount
completely,
we
don't
have
to
worry
about
that.
Obviously
we
will
need
that
amount
in
some
sort
of
budget.
That
would
come
up
with
a
first
draft
budget,
but
I
think
that's
something
that's
going
to
take
a
bit
more
thinking
than
just
some
wild
ass.
Guess,
right,
so
just
drop
it
and
we'll
figure
it
out.
B
A
I've
worked
with
engineers
and
people
long
enough
to
understand
that
these
estimates
are
very,
very
wrong.
So
a
part
of
a
big
part
of
the
final
before
we
present
the
plan
will
be
us
trying
to
get
more
educated,
guesses
or
and
explicitly
the
state
first
year.
We
propose
this
is
this
size
and
we
need
to
do
review
and
come
back
for
second
and
third
year.
A
C
So
I
I
guess
this
is
kind
of
a
in
the
weeds.
I
guess,
but
I
think
very
soon,
right
after
this
call.
We
need
to
take
this.
These
notes,
hiding
within
our
meeting,
notes
and
start
turning
it
into
a
document
that
looks
like
eventually,
something
will
put
back
up
and
a
as
a
separate
doc.
A
That
is
going
to
be
doing
that
for
that
particular
effort,
and
I'm
wondering
if
we
had
a
hearty
soul
here
that
was
interested
in
contributing
some
time
into
stitching
together
the
stub
of
the
2.0
plan
and
collect
all
these
get
all
these
notes
appropriately
organized
otherwise
I'll.
Do
it
and
it'll
I'll
get
around
to
it
eventually.
C
I
can
volunteer
to
do
a
copy
paste
into
a
google
doc
from
one
google
doc
to
another.
I
suspect
we
need
a
little
more
than
that,
but
what
I'd
say
is
while
we
start
by
just
taking
copy
pasting
what
we've
done
so
far.
We
know
it
needs
some
improvement,
but
putting
it
into
a
separate
dock.
That's
going
to
eventually
turn
into
the
one
we
we
turn
in,
I
think
is
the
l.
You
know,
I
think,
we're
starting
to
move
towards
specific
things.
Vicki's
comments,
not
withstanding
she's
right.
C
This
needs
more
work,
but
let's,
let's
start
turning
into
that
document,
that's
eventually
going
to
be
that
final
product.
That
would.
A
Be
excellent
and
we'll
put
it
like
a
market
problem
at
the
top
we'll
have
all
it
would
be
great
it'd,
be
a
wonderful,
the
best
business
proposal
you
ever
saw.
C
Oh,
I
I'm
not
sure
about
that,
but
if,
if
it,
if
it,
if
it
sees
the
the
goal,
then
that's
then
that's
a
good
thing.
A
Yes,
but
I
agree
all
right,
so
our
next
step
is
to
put
this
into
a
more
actionable
format
that
we
can
start
to
specifically
say
all
right,
continue:
partnerships
office.
What
does
that?
What
do
we
want
that
to
mean?
What
are
the
steps
we
think
we
need
to
do
and
then
we'll
we'll
hold
off
the
time
and
cost
estimate
for
a
later
date,
but
let's
actually
get
the
steps
we
feel
we
need
to
achieve
that
particular
objective.
A
So,
yes,
if
you
could
start
that
david
that'll
be
awesome,
I
will
start
on
loading
our
git
repo
with
bare
bones
information,
and
we
will
meet
again
next
week
to
continue
this
so
in
the
this
week.
Are
you
leaving
of
this
week?
Please
reflect
upon
the
totality
of
the
plan
and
once
we
actually
get
to
see
it
in
the
new
document.
Hopefully
that
will
generate
some
new
ideas
of
things
we
might
have
missed.
A
So
as
we
have
that
document
ready
we'll
send
that
out
to
the
group
and
thank
you
everybody
for
contributing
today
excellent
session.
I
appreciate
everybody
helping
out
today.