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D
All
right
and
welcome
to
the
march
29th
edition
of
the
open,
sss
developer,
best
practices
working
group.
I
will
post
one
last
time
a
link
to
our
agenda.
If
you
could
mark
your
attendance,
if
you
have
any
updates
or
if
you
have
any
opens,
we
will
start
the
meeting
off,
as
is
tradition
first
off.
Do
I
have
anyone,
that's
interested
in
being
our
scribe
for
the
day?
That
would
be
super
helpful.
A
C
D
Oh
well
so
do
we
have
any
new
friends
to
the
group
that
wanted
to
introduce
themselves
and
say
hello.
B
Sure
cool
hi,
so
my
name's
lori
I
work
for
jfrog.
I've
been,
I
just
joined
the
open,
ssf
marketing
group
and
I
saw
that
sven
was
unavailable
today.
So
I
thought
I
would
sit
in
on
his
behalf
and
it's
nice
to
be
here
and
hello
to
everyone.
A
D
Oh
very
nice!
Well
I'll!
Let
you
know
that
this
is
my
favorite
working
group
out
of
all
of
them.
Let
us
start
with
our
project
update,
I
see.
Glenn
is
going
to
give
us
an
update
a
little
bit
about
skf,
so
david
any
update
you
want
to
share
about
best
practices,
badges
or
the
fundamental
course.
C
No
big
changes
on
the
badge,
however,
on
the
course
so
some
some
various
updates
we've
had
a
number
of
minor
improvements.
Recently,
probably
the
big
one
is
an
expansion
on
integer
overflow
underflow.
Oh
hey,
thank
you
for
something
else.
While
I'm
trying
to
talk
so
the
big
event,
that's
about
to
happen
is
we're.
Gonna
have
a
a
soft
launch
of
the
course
on
a
second
platform.
C
Soft
launch.
So
that's
going
to
be
happening.
I
think
this
week.
So
the
point
of
this
one
is
so
that
it
doesn't
we
we
can
have
certification
completion
without
charging
for
it.
This
does
not
eliminate
edx,
it's
a
you
know.
The
same
course
will
materials
will
be
on
two
platforms
as
the
plan.
I
didn't
come
up
with
this
plan
this
I
I
didn't
come
up
with
this
original
plan.
C
I
decided
to
have
some
other
personal
problems
challenges
while
I
was,
but
I
I
love
this
idea
because
you
know
that's
one
of
the
big
concerns
for
some
folks
is
hey
these
certificate.
Certifications
of
completions
cost
a
lot
so,
but
a
lot
of
people
use
edx
so
having
them
both.
It
seems
like
the
easy
answer
there.
D
C
Well,
we
actually
already
have
to
edit
it
twice.
So
I
think
a
lot
of
you
are
familiar
with
the
software
development
rule
of
thumb
called
dry.
Don't
repeat
yourself!
Well
the
I
would
say
the
the
course
process
is
frankly
really
wet.
I
already
actually
have
to
edit
it
twice,
because
the
we
want
to
have
it
on
markdown,
but
the
course
folks
find
it
much
easier
to
have
it
on
google
docs,
so
I
actually
edit
it
twice,
and
then
they
re-edit
it
twice
on
each
of
those
platforms.
C
If
that
sounds
rather
inefficient,
I
would
agree
with
you,
but
this
is
the
way.
Lf
training
basically
says
that
they've
had
a
lot
of
problems
trying
to
do
it
other
ways,
because
the
way
the
platform
various
platforms
work.
So
it's
inefficient
how's.
This
it's
not
as
efficient
as
I
would
normally
do-
want
to
do
things,
but
it
seems
to
be
efficient
in
terms
of
actually
producing
good
results.
So.
D
D
C
I
don't
have
to
do
that
part,
so
the
lf
training
folks
basically
update
the
materials
once
we
update
it.
On
our
end
very
nice
yeah.
I
say
yes,
it's
not
really
just
we're
gonna.
Do
it's
the
but
elephant,
but
elf
training
recommends
it
because
they've
had
other
they've
had
problems
with
other
alternatives.
C
D
All
right
did
laurent
or
azim.
You
want
to
type
anything
for
your
card.
D
E
Yes,
thank
you
very
much
yeah,
so
just
to
come
back
on
what
david
was
saying
about
the
soft
launch
on
the
second
platform.
Well,
I
have
a
surprise
for
you.
It's
actually
going
to
be
a
third
platform.
E
Yes,
yeah,
I
I
had
to
take
the
markdown.
I
actually
split
it
up
the
huge
markdown
file
into
separate
files.
So
let's
have
a
look
at
the
the
end
result:
okay,
it's
not
done
yet.
I'm
planning
to
do
also
a
soft
release
this
friday,
where
we're
going
to
at
least
publish
it
on
the
day
model
security
mobile
framework
website,
where
people
then
start
playing
and
everything.
E
E
So
let
me
see
if
I
can
share
my
screen
share.
Is
that
possible
yeah?
I
guess
you
see
it:
okay,
perfect!
So
the
security
knowledge
framework,
what
we
actually
did.
We
were
very
busy
building
yeah
this
new
module.
As
you
see,
we
have
now
a
training
tab
and
the
the
mvp.
The
idea
was
to
have
secure
development.
Web
api,
hacking,
infra
ops
and
I
already
have
an
over
deck
as
well.
The
infraops
I'm
still
busy
finalizing
the
material
for
that.
E
So
probably
that
will
not
be
included
in
the
friday
release,
but
the
secure
development
hacking
and
all
of
us
it
will
so
what
we
did.
Actually
we
created
from
you
know
your
material,
but
also
the
other
materials
different
levels
to
get
in
now.
The
idea
is
that
you
can
start
the
the.
E
Part
the
training
here.
Actually
I
want
to
do
a
small
introductory
because
not
every
material
and
source
have
it,
of
course,
for
yourself
you
will
have
it
right
by
david
wheeler,
hey
what
are
we
going
to
do,
but
I
also
wanted
to
to
say
something
here
myself
about
this
learning
path,
and
the
idea
is
that
it's
basically
I
don't
know
if
this
is
going
to
work
full
screen,
so
you
can
also
you
know,
read
it
in
full
screen
mode
and
basically
we're
going
to
step
through
everything.
E
The
idea
I
had
you
know
for
now
it
wasn't
useful
to
do
it
for
all
the
the
material,
but
I
also
want
to
actually
make
and
open
and
create
youtube
videos
for
all
the
the
topics
that
you
see
in
here,
so
that
you
not
only
have
like
content,
you
need
to
read,
but
you
can
also
watch
a
short
video.
You
know
on
youtube.
E
That
explains
you
well
here,
you
know
probably
will
use
a
something
from
you,
david,
on
the
youtube
like
who
you
are
or
just
to
show
people,
but
actually
so
that's
the
idea
in
the
future
and
basically
yeah.
You
have
this
very
nice,
like
I
said,
also
fill
screen
full
screen
capability
to
build
all
the
materials,
all
the
links
they
automatically
open
in
a
new
tab.
So
that
is
awesome
and
well.
E
You
can
go
next
next,
video
next
next
video
next,
I
I
know
still
in
the
yaml
file,
so
the
whole
course
is
built
over
a
huge
yaml
file
that
correlates
the
questions,
the
markdown
content
and
I'll
get
that
good
stuff.
So
when
I
disable
the
video
tag,
then
you
know
it
will
just
skip
this.
I
didn't
do
it
for
now,
just
that
you
are
aware.
E
Well,
of
course,
david.
You
had
a
lot
of
questionnaires
right,
like
this
knowledge
wizards,
of
course,
markdown
is
not
the
the
easiest
way,
so
I
structured
it
a
bit
in
this
way
where
you
have
a
question,
and
you
have
the
answer
and
basically
it's
like
a
question
answer
so
after
the
answer.
What
we
also
did,
we
tied
actually
labs
to
the
according
topics
so
now,
also
with
your
material,
if
we
have
a
lab
available,
it
will
say:
hey:
do
you
want
to
do
the
the
hands-on
stuff?
E
Then
you
can
go
say.
Well,
I'm
a
python
program
or
java
or
javascript,
so
you
can
press
the
the
start
button.
Then
it
will
you
know
in
the
background
in
kubernetes
it
will
deploy
actually
a
real
operating
system
where
all
the
source
code
and
everything
is
basically
then
yeah
sort
of
available,
where
you
then
can
practice
and
do
everything.
E
So
here
it
is
so
this
is
the
new
lab
environment.
Like
I
said
it's
really
an
operating
system
right.
It
has
like
a
firefox
terminal.
It
has
a
nice
sublime
text.
Editor
where
you
can.
You
know
load
the
code,
do
changes
and
modifications
so
just
to
show
you
how
nice
it
looks
so
here,
let's
say
you're
going
to
do
the
authorization
bypass
course.
C
E
And
then
locally
in
this
instance,
you
can
actually
yeah.
Do
everything
right
also
what
we
have
are
the
right
tips.
Of
course,
when
you
click,
you
will
go
to
the
writer
that
belongs
to
that
section
and
yeah.
C
E
You're
done
basically
with
the
whole
left,
the
hands-on
stuff
you
can
just
you
know,
go
and
you
say
next
and
we
go
into
the
next
topic,
so
this
is
very
familiar.
I
hope
this
is
the
work
of
david,
but
what
we
also
have
is
the
hacking
course.
So
what
did
we
do
there?
We
have
another
great
elvis
project.
E
It's
the
oval
spin
application
testing
guide.
They
cover
a
lot
of
good
topics,
good
material,
so
we
use
this
one
over
here
here.
Actually
we
did
the
same
thing
so
here
also
we
will
have
and
we
created
like
more
than
200
questionnaires
like
question
and
answer
similar
like
you
did
david
to
challenge
the
yeah,
the
student,
the
the
person
who
is
learning
to
see
if
they
grasp
you
know
the
important
parts
of
the
yeah,
the
material.
E
Let's
see
then
yeah
the
last
part
that
is
which
is
able
to
release
it's
just
the
os
top
10
and
again
here.
The
idea
is
at
the
end,
that
you
can
then
spin
up
also
a
box
to
do
the
web
application
acting.
E
Still
a
lot
to
do,
the
idea
is
to
release
it
this
friday,
but
yeah
we
will
see.
I
think
I
hope
it
will.
It
will
work
out
and
we
should
be
able
to
be
on
time
any
feedback.
So
far
I
mean:
do
you
guys
like
what
like
it.
A
Yeah,
no,
I
I
think
this
is
great.
I
think
it's
going
to
be
really
useful.
Where
will
people
be
able
to
find
it
once
it's
ready
to
soft
launch.
E
So
normally
we
have
the
demo
dot
security
knowledge,
framework.org
website
there
will
be
when
you
then
go
on
it.
You
will
see
this
application
and
then
you
have
here
the
the
well
now
it's
not
there
yet,
but
you
have
the
training
and
then,
when
you
click
on
it,
you
can
follow
all
the
the
learning
paths
and
and
yeah
try
it
and,
like
I
mentioned
so,
the
idea
is
gather
some
feedback
see
if
things
fall
over
or
not
improve
and
then
probably
somewhere
next
week.
E
We
will
also
merge
the
branch
with
the
main
branch
in
the
github
repo,
because
also
everything
you
see
actually
so
currently,
I'm
running
it
local
right
and
it
just
uses
the
docker
compose
up
that
spins
up
the
the
hacking
labs,
the
skf
bits
and
parts
as
well.
So
technically
everything
you
saw,
you
can
also
do
locally
on
your
machine
just
by
then
docker
compose
up
and
well
having
docker
desktop
installed,
of
course,
but
you
should
yeah
be
able
to
run
the
project
yourself
as
well
locally.
C
C
Time
yeah
so
quick,
quick
heads
up
glenn,
so
the
I
do
intend
by
middle
of
april
to
make
some
more
changes
to
the
fundamentals
course.
Probably
the
big
thing
that
I'd
like
to
do
it's
one
of
those:
it's
not
necessary,
but
it'd,
be
a
good
idea.
Currently,
the
fundamentals
course
links
to
the
2019
version
of
the
oauth
web
application
top
10
and
the
cwe
top
25,
which
is
really
40..
So
I'm
hoping
to
update
that
to
the
2021
lists.
C
It's
for
the
most
part,
it's
the
same
stuff,
but
there
are
some
tweaks
and
of
course,
you
know
throughout
the
course
it
links
to
hey
this.
You
know
it
mentions
hey.
This
is
where
you
can
find
this
so
we'll
need
to
update
those
and.
C
Such
so
you
know
I
haven't
actually
done
that
yet,
but
that's
on
the
on
the
list
of
things
I'd
like
to
do
my
mid
april.
So,
but
everything
will
be
you
know,
any
changes
will
just
be
in
get
and
you
can
pull
them
and
figure
out
what
to
do
with
them.
Yeah.
Second,
a
second
point
is
that
the
quizzes
and
the
fundamentals
course
actually
use
the
edx
format,
because
there's
no
format
for
quizzes
in
markdown.
A
F
C
E
Yeah,
so
what
we
actually
did,
we
just
styled
it
almost
the
same.
We
use
this
split
in
the
front
to
say
like
oh,
this
is
the
first
page
right,
and
this
is
the
second
page.
The
question
is.
A
E
Yes,
no,
you
know
I
wanted
to
automate,
but
you
know
I
am
a
bit
in
the
time
pressure
because
we
really
wanted
to
release
this.
So
I
said:
okay,
future
roadmap
automate
this
stuff.
For
now
I
will
do
it
manually.
So
yes,
okay,.
A
I'm
also
on
the
on
the
formats,
because
I
like
very
much
what
glenn's
showing
and
I
like
the
fact
that
the
training
can
be
available
multiple
formats.
But
I
would
just
like
to
have
a
way
that
we
could
do
changes
and
updates
in
one
place
and
then
integrates
to
all
of
the
version
and
not
having
everyone
update.
All
of
the
versions
manually.
C
There
is
one
place:
it's
called
github,
that's
the
edit.
Now,
if
you
say
hey,
wouldn't
it
be
great
to
do
the
automated
I've
already
lost
that
fight
on
both
edx
and
the
lf
training.
They
basically
say:
they've
tried
it.
The
only
thing
that
has
led
to
is
is
failure.
C
E
E
Yes
and
what
I
actually
did
david,
I
I
had
to
split
it
up,
of
course.
Otherwise,
for
me
it
was
very
hard
to
correlate
it
to
anything,
and
so
the
landing
has
two
markdowns.
The.
E
E
I
think
I
did,
but
I'm
not
sure
but
having
it
separate.
That
already
well
is
very
easy
to
to
review
and
the
same
actually,
I
also
write
did
for
the
security
testing.
So
here
you
have
the
well
the
landing.
That's
not
that
interesting
the
testing
framework.
Then
you
have
the
web
application
testing
in
there.
Also,
it's
all
separate
files
for
yeah
yeah,
yeah.
C
Well,
I
I
don't
know
means
I'm
not
sure
that
that's
a
a
this
splitting
it
up
helps.
Actually
I
I
do
find
that
having
one
file
I
mean
back
long
time
ago,
when
I
had
a
computer
that
had
48k
of
ram
splitting
up
files
was
really
important,
but
nowadays,
when
I'm
moving
text
around
from
sections
to
sections,
my
computer
can
handle
a
thousand
page
document
so
having
it
all
in
one
file
turns
out
to
be
a
lot
more
convenient
for
editing,
grab
push
move
stuff
around.
C
C
All
right
so
in
any
case
yeah,
so
I
I
I
mean
I
I
think
there
are
advantages
for
code,
but
you
you'll
have
to
I'm
not
saying
it
can't
be
done.
Obviously
it
can
be,
but
you're
gonna
have
to
convince
me.
That's
worth
it
because
there's
a
big
advantage
for
reorgs
for
just
dragging
stuff
around
so
convince
me.
I'm
not
saying
I
can't
be
convinced,
but
it's
there
is.
There
is
malice,
a
forethought.
The
reason
it's
in
one
file
is
because
that
was
a
decision
made.
C
Sure,
absolutely
I
mean
it's
not
a
moral,
a
moral
standing,
it's
just
it
was
done
in
one
file
because
it
was
considered
convenient.
That's
the
time.
D
Yes,
next
up
was
laurie.
B
Hey
so
I
don't
mean
to
be
like
a
total
noob
or
anything,
but
I
was
just
wondering
what
exactly
is
the
name
of
the
course
because
I
was
on
the
linux
foundation
site,
and
I
think
this
is
something
like
I
kind
of
look
at
everything
through
a
marketing
lens.
So
I'd
like
to
market
this
to
my
company
right
to
say:
hey
guys,
like
you
know,
for
newbies
training,
but
is
so
it's
called
secure
software
development
fundamentals,
okay
and
it's
not
on
the
linux
foundation,
training
site.
Yet
right.
C
B
C
B
Cool,
I
was
just
you
know
I
was
on.
I
think
I
was
just
on
the
wrong
side,
so
I
was
on
the
linux
foundation
and
I
was
looking
at
all
their
trainings
and
then
it's
not
there
yet
perfect,
okay,
so
this
is
just
me
not
knowing.
So
thank
you
right.
C
B
I
do
have
one
and
again
I
look
at
everything.
Sorry
through
like
a
marketing
lens,
is
there,
for
you,
know,
member
organizations.
B
Are
you
going
to
want
us
like
to
push
this
out
to
our
customers,
like
you
know
how?
How
do
you
want
to
get
eyes
on
the
on
the
prize?
I
guess
is,
is
my
question
so
that
we
can
make
sure
that
we're
doing
what
we
needed
you
to
help
support.
C
I
I
think
for
for
the
for
the
new
for
the
lf
training.
We
will
want
that,
but
not
yet
it's
a
soft
launch.
We
want
to
get
it
up
and
running
and
just
kind
of
see
and
make
sure
everything
is
smooth.
We're
not
expecting
any
problems
that
we
know
what
the
course
is
and
the
training
platforms
used
by
lots
of
others.
But
problems
happen
so,
and
so
I
think
a
great
great
concept
definitely
want
it.
C
D
That's
actually
a
little
something
that
glenn
and
I
had
talked
about
last
week
around
the
launch
of
the
updated
skf
is:
how
do
we
want
to
evangelize
the
work
of
the
working
group?
How
do
you
want
to
advertise
that
and
get
the
information
out
like
hey?
We
have
a
new
version,
we're
looking
for
feedback
or
contributions,
so
in
general,
how
do
we
want
to
handle
that
jory?
Do
you
have
a
solution
for
us.
F
Oh
sorry,
I
was
raising
my
hand
because
I
was
going
to
take
a
stab
at
laurie's
question
and
and-
and
I
realized
david
and
I
have
maybe
some
some
conflicting
intel
because
lauren
what
I
learned
was
that
the
lf
is
planning
to
do
a
blog
post
about
the
updated
course
which
will
go
out
tomorrow
at
9
00
a.m.
Eastern
and
they've
asked
us
to
to
share
that
on
our
social
media.
F
So
but
but
I
do
take
david's
point
that,
like
you
know
hey,
it
can
be
when
you've
launched
something,
maybe
waiting
a
beat
to
make
sure
there
are
no
problems.
It's
a
good
idea
from
like
a
soft
launch
perspective.
So
that's
just
something
for
us
to
like
circle.
Back
on.
My
plan
had
been
to
help
the
launch
by
making
sure
we
got
this
up
on
our
blog
got
this
out
on
our
social,
etc,
etc.
Tomorrow,
so
we'll
just
circle
back
up
internally
and
clarify
what
they
want
to
do
tomorrow.
F
So
that's
that's
why
I
was
raising
my
hand
but
crow,
restate
your
question
and
let
me
see
if
I
can
help
you
with
that.
One.
D
So
the
working
group
has
some
amazing
work,
we'd
like
to
share
with
the
world,
but
do
we
want
to?
How
do
we
want
to
approach
that
going
forward?
Do
we
should
we
have
a
standard
coms
plan
and
a
strategy,
or
do
we
need
to
roll
that
up
through
the
tack
kind
of?
How
do
we
want
to
handle
these
types
of
things,
as
we
have
a
pretty
big
milestone,
that
glenn
is
rolling
out
things
like
that.
F
Yeah,
so
this
is
a
great
question
so
for
stuff.
That's,
I
think,
the
I
think
the
question
kind
of
comes
back
to
you
all
which
is
like
how
like
how
big
is
the
thing
that
you're
trying
to
blast
about
right
for
small
things
like
say
an
incremental
update
or
a
reminder
that
a
meeting
is
coming
up
or
you
know,
come
see
us
at
black
hat
or
something
like
that.
F
I
very
much
would
love
for
you
all
to
feel
comfortable
reaching
out
to
myself
and
kahil
and
jen
or
david
or
we
either
send
us
an
email
or
slack
us
or
whatever
just
say
hey.
Can
you
tweet
this
for
us?
Can
you
do
do
you
mind
doing
that?
Or
can
we
have
an
announcements
list?
I
can
hit
everybody
on
the
open,
ssf
mailing
list
for
you.
That
is
something
we
can
do
really
agile.
You
know
same
day
same
hour.
F
If
I
see
it
on
flak
in
time
and
that
kind
of
thing
so
don't
hesitate
to
just
just
make
those
asks
as
as
they
pop
up,
I
would
say
for
the
stuff
that
you
know
is
more
meeting
like
you
know
the
bigger
projects,
the
launches
and
stuff.
We
we
really
do
want
to
work
on
those
things
in
a
more
planful
way
with
you,
and
so
you
know,
we've
got
a
marketing
committee.
F
We've
got
a
soon
to
have
a
marketing
lead,
who
will
be
sitting
with
myself
and
david
and
brian,
and
we
can
start
bringing
those
people
into
calls.
You
know
to
to
help
plan
launches
and
things
like
that
and
vic
vienna's
got
her
their
hand
up.
So
let
me
stop
rambling
and.
A
Let
me
there
you
go
yeah.
I
wanted
to
recommend
that
the
the
working
group
try
and
make
sure
that
we
have
some
sort
of
representative
at
the
new
marketing.
Is
it
a
committee?
Is
it
a
team?
I
don't
know
the
marketing
thing,
the
marketing
group,
so
they
can
not
only
hear
you
know
what
everyone
else
is
doing,
but
also
hear
about
opportunities
to
share
their
their
stories
of
the
things
that
they
are
doing
and
to
bring
those
stories.
A
You
know
be
that
conduit
between
the
working
group
and
the
marketing
team
to
get
that
support
necessary
to
get
that
out
there,
and
I
think
that
would
be
very,
very
helpful
just
for
all
the
working
groups
to
do,
but
especially
this
one,
because
there's
so
much
really
interesting
stuff
coming
out
of
here-
that
I
think
could
use
some
more
eyes
on
it
and
what.
D
Triggered
this,
in
my
mind,
was
that
the
linux
foundation
is
hosting
their
security
summit
this
summer
that
I
have
to
go
grade
some
papers
for,
but
that
really
wasn't
shared
with
the
working.
I
stumbled
across
it
because
my
my
corporate
marketing
team
said
hey
what's
this
and
there
really
wasn't
a
a
push
to
try
to
get
more
content
from
the
working
groups
to
be
represented
at
an
lf
sponsored
event,
and
I
think,
there's
a
whole
calendar
of
places
that
we
could
share
this.
D
I
you
know
the
work
that
this
group
and
the
other
groups
do
is
important.
I
think
getting
tools
like
skf
and
david's
training-
and
you
know
the
scorecards
and
inventory
getting
all
these
projects
out
there
and
represented
to
developers
and
downstream.
Consumers
is
important
and
I
think
we
should
be
more
purposeful
in
how
we
plan
for
that.
A
F
Yeah,
absolutely,
I
think,
one
of
the
things
that
we
want
to
work
on
and
is
better
internal
comms
inside
you
know
the
open,
ssf
umbrella,
surfacing
hey
here's
the
stuff
that
the
working
groups
are
doing
to
the
marketing
team
to
the
folks
who
you
know
can
do
something
with
that
to
help
you
know,
blast
the
air
horn
out
and
then
also
blast
the
air
horn
out
to
each
other
right
like
because
often
times
it's
the
case
that
one
working.
A
F
Doesn't
necessarily
know
what
other
working
groups
are
doing
and
so
that
that
internal
marketing
effort
or
internal
comms
effort
we've
got
a
lot
of
room
for
improvement.
There.
D
All
right,
while
we
have
glenn
here,
we
had
talked
about
our
next
project
being
kind
of
the
newbies
view
to
open
source,
secure,
open
source
development
and
glenn
had
shared
with
us
a
while
back
a
graphic
that
we
were
hoping
to
maybe
use
as
the
basis
for
a
conversation
going
forward
to
start
to
think
about
how
to
divide
up
how
we
wanted
to
talk
about
the
different
aspects
of
secure
development
and
associated
tools
and
processes.
E
D
Yeah
and
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
I'd
like
to
take
a
look
at
the
broad
categories?
First,
do
we
agree?
These
are
the
stages
or
areas
we
want
to
talk
about,
and
then
potentially
we
could
start
to
see
what
materials
exist
like
skf
or
david's,
multiple
tools
and
then
see
where
we
want
to
potentially
create
or
track
down
additional
materials.
D
C
What's
what's
your
source
of
material
for
this
best
practice,
this
is
the
first
time
I've
seen
this
best
practices
for
opera
for
open
system
developers
is
how
new
is
this.
Glenn.
E
C
E
A
A
D
Awesome,
so
what
I
would
like
group
to
do
is
if
we
could
take
a
look
at
that
and
think
about
that
for
our
next
call.
That
way,
we
could
have
make
some
more
progress
on
this
project
to
see.
Do
we
agree
with
the
phases
the
wording,
the
associated
practices,
resources
tools.
C
Now
this
same
may
seem
like
a
minor
point,
but
this
I
think
it's
an
important
one.
It's
it's
subtle,
though
I
I'm
I'm
actually
opposed
to
phases
in
general.
If
we're
trying
to
convince
people
to
do
it,
process,
yes,
phases!
No,
because
I
don't
actually
believe
that
they're
real
it's
it's
an
it's
nonsense
that
people
keep
imposing
from
on.
I
and
discover
don't
work
again
and
again.
D
E
It
is
actually
a
whole
html,
javascript
thingy.
E
E
So
we
have
here
in
our
working
group
the
folder
infinity
2
here
are
all
the
the
javascript
icons
in
the
styling
and
the
index.
When
you
download
this
whole
folder,
the
infinity,
you
double
click
on
the
index.
It
will
open
in
your
browser,
and
this
is
the
whole
thing,
so
it's
not
only
an
image,
it's
really
interactive.
So
if
you
want
changes
or
anything
or
enrich
stuff,
it's
very
easy
to
do.
Actually.
D
We'll
get
instructions
written
up
and
sent
out
to
the
mailing
list
this
week,
and
I
would
ask
everyone
to
take
a
look
at
the
diagram
think
through.
It
think
how
we
want
to
refer
to
things
that
used
to
be
called
phases
or
stages.
C
D
We
may
need
to
reorganize
it,
possibly
so
if
everyone
could
think
through
that
we'll
get
the
instructions
sent
out
to
everybody,
and
that
will
be
aside
from
updates
what
our
next
topic
of
conversation
will
be.
Unless
we
have
some
other
presentation,
like
glenn
did
today.
D
E
If
I
can
have
like
one
more
minute,
because
you
know
on
our
website
that
we
use
as
a
landing
spot,
we
have
like
you-
know
the
corporate
supporters.
The
organizations
owe
us
an
open
ssf.
I
also
mention
here
which
other
projects
we're
actually
using
and
david.
I
also
wanted
to
add
a
block
for
your
course
here,
but
I
was
a
bit
confused
on
the
did.
E
C
The
the
open
ssf
website
here,
let
me
let
me
post
a
link
in
chat
boom,
open
ssf
training
courses.
C
Link
to
there
and
the
the
idea
here
is
that,
from
there
explanation
will
ensue.
E
All
right,
then,
I
will
add
a
blog
for
you
guys
with
a
link.
D
Opens
right,
I
want
to
thank
everybody
for
your
time
and
attention
today
we'll
get
the
instructions
to
view
the
infinity
loop,
so
we
can
have
a
good
conversation
next
time
around
our
next
project.
Thank
you
all
and
enjoy
the
rest
of
your
day.