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I
copied
the
agenda
in
just
go
ahead
and
turn
your
name
in
the
attendee
list
Market.
If
you're
here.
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Typically,
you
go
get
started
like
a
couple
of
minutes,
probe
or
just
I.
Guess
we
can
get
started.
I
know
that
Jay
is
probably
going
to
jump
in
soon.
C
D
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E
It's
a
little
bit
cheeky
and
I
have
to
apologize
guys
so
I
have
a
mandatory
training
at
the
same
I
I
did
not
want
as
a
first
meeting
I
would
I
was
going
to
keep
this,
but
I
got
a
three-hour
mandatory
training
I'm
in
at
the
same
damn
time.
So,
if
you
see
me,
look
off
to
off
well,
yeah
it'll
be
the
left
in
this
too.
E
D
That's
fine,
are
you
with
us
in
the
spirit
and
in
a
half,
half
moon
that
looks
all
right.
If
you
don't
have
any
new
friends,
is
anyone
willing
to
help
with
subscribing
for
today's
meeting.
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D
This
is
almost
like
the
official
kickoff
for
this
actually
committee
terms
of
reference,
that's
one
of
the
open
items,
but
we
want
to
just
kind
of
like
level
set
and
as
we
go
move
forward,
trying
to
figure
out
what
it
is
that
we
want
to
do
as
part
of
this
subcommittee
and
also
we
can
also
review
what
we
discussed
at
the
end
of
2022
and
see
what
items
we
actually
want
to
go
ahead
and
Tackle
and
also
give
context
to
anyone
who
may
not
have
attended
that
previous
meeting
as
well.
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Sound
good
all
right.
So,
as
we
kind
of
got
into
the
end
of
last
year,.
B
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Thanks
for
for
dropping
that
link
in
the
chat
and
that's
kind
of
where
it
started
off
as
like,
what
is
it
that
we
can
focus
on
to
kind
of
go
into
those
items
and
put
that
into
the
plan?
And
so
that's
basically,
what
formed
the
context
of
seeing
if
you
could
just
focus
in
a
subcommittee
to
address
those
those
items
but
also
think
about
anything
else
or
gaps
that
we
might
be
missing,
that
we
don't
know
about.
And
so
what
came
out
of
the
initial
meeting?
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That
is
actually
in
the
agenda
notes
was
we
talked
about.
You
know
what
are
some
of
the
things.
What
are
some
of
the
existing
limits?
Foundation
initiatives
out
there?
What
can
we
leverage?
What
are
some
of
the
outcomes
that
we
want
to
see
in
terms
of
like
engaging
with
someone
like
the
underrepresented
or
institutions
are
like
addressing
under
represented
minorities
and
what
are
some
like?
D
The
existing
Partnerships
that
are
in
place
that
can
actually
Aid
in
that
and
we
started
looking
at
what
are
the
gaps
we
looked
at
mentorship
was
brought
up
as
one
of
the
things
that
we
probably
needed
to
focus
on
and
then
also
things
like
Role
Models.
What
are
the
audiences
we
want
to
like
Target,
you
can
actually
look
at
the
agenda
meeting
notes
to
go
into
that.
One
of
the
Partnerships
that
kind
of
was
brought
up
with
major
league
hacking
with
Max
is
representing,
as
what
are
some
elected
programs
that
they
have
available.
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That
could
actually
address
some
of
these
different
gaps
and
then
we
put
together
kind
of
like
a
quick
list
of
things
that
we
would
potentially
want
to
work
on
and
with
the
goal
of
want
to
see
how
we
could
see
these
into
the
education
plan.
That
was
going
to
be
kind
of
like
buttoned
up
and
then
presented
in
front
of
like
the
technical
advisory
committee.
That
Croke
was
actually
putting
together.
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So
the
couple
of
action
items
that
came
out
of
their
initial
meeting
one
was
to
see
what
are
the
list
of
the
gaps
and
drop
that
into
a
comment
that
was
then
going
to
potentially
fold
into
the
plan
and
then
the
other
action
item.
I.
Think
Yesenia
was
going
to
go
off
and
look
at
one
of
some
of
the
existing
Linux
Foundation
initiatives,
and
so
that's
how
we
we
ended
that
year
and
then
hopefully
everyone
went
on
the
holidays,
and
now
we
have
to
like
remember
what
we
did
and
levels
up
for
2023.
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So
that's
where
we
are
today
and
if
there's
anything
I
missed,
go
ahead.
Jump
in.
E
I'm
not
sure
if,
if
if
this
was
mentioned,
let
me
turn
my
sound
on
my
other
computer
I
didn't
realize.
I
still
had
the
sound
of
the
example.
One
of
the
other
things
I
wanted
to
think
about
as
well
or
I.
Think
would
be
good,
for
this
group
is
to
see,
find
the
find
the
parallels
between
our
what
what
our
objectives
are
here
and
how
it
aligns
to
the
broader
openness
of
stuff
and
then
the
even
higher
level
LF
right.
E
We
have
no
idea
how
how
what
we
do
affects
or
what
the
effect
of
or
what
the
Ripple
is
right,
the
butterfly
effect
across
the
across
the
board.
But
how
exciting
would
it
be
for
some
of
the
stuff
that
we
do
can
have
to
have
that
kind
of
expansion
that
kind
of
Broad
View
so
where,
where
it
expands
out
further
the
tentacles
reach
out
and
now
we're
touching
on
different
things.
So,
who
knows,
maybe
what
we
start
here
could
be
blown
up
into
something
a
greater
across
the
board.
E
So
so
those
are
some
of
the
thoughts
we
could
potentially
have
as
well
right
be
creative,
let's,
let's
get
creative
for
no
other
reason,
except
we
have
the
form
to
do
it.
I
mean
I.
Just
tell
me
that
that's
pretty
much
it
that's
my
two
cents
ad.
B
So
from
my
action
item
to
touch
base
with
Olaf
to
see
what
what
has
been
worked
on,
mostly
just
with
the
hyper
Ledger
group
Daniela
and
Hart,
they
had
a
they've,
been
working
with
the
academics.
B
I
shared
the
links
under
the
meeting
notes
where
they've
been
driving
that
that's
essentially
the
only
thing
from
an
academic
University
standpoint.
They
also
mentioned
the
CNF
cncf
mentoring,
but
they
had
noted
after
a
conversation
with
them.
The
two
gaps
that
need
to
be
filled
that
they've
seen
in
this
like
engagement,
is
like
an
lfy
academic
engagement
like
how
do
folks
in
the
universities
reach
out
to
LF,
to
get
support.
B
I,
know,
there's
sites
and
stuff
like
that,
but
Me
Maybe,
broadening
the
marketing
and
Communications
to
them
and
then
giving
them
more
of
a
an
overview
of
like
this
is.
This
is
what
you,
your
Roi
for
you
know,
participating
with
us
and
then
also
the
communication
between
maintainers
and
researchers,
whether
they're
academic
or
they're,
just
everyday
researchers
and
kind
of
creating
like
a
pipeline
process
creating
that
Community
for
them
that
those
are
two
gaps
that
we
can
essentially
start
targeting
to
fill.
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B
D
D
Okay,
any
any
other
thoughts
about
like
what
I
might
have
missed
from
like
last
time
as
well.
A
I
think
it's
a
really
good
summary
Christian
I
I
couldn't
remember
that
much
from
last
year,
so
yeah
I
appreciate
it
I.
Think
one
of
the
like
I
guess
like
framings,
that
we
used
that
I
thought
was
was
pretty
helpful.
That
I
think
I
think
Emily
actually
brought
up.
Was
you
know
the
training
and
education
aspect's
great,
but
we
need
to
think
about
what
happens
before
that
right,
so
the
the
reach
and
the
advocacy
and
the
almost
like
demand
generation
right
to
get.
A
You
know,
representative
adoption
of
the
training,
rather
than
it
being
you
know
the
same
old
characters
and
becoming
like
you
know
another
thing
that
people
have
to
do
to
to
launch
careers
in
security
and
then
I
think
we
talked
a
bit
about
how
to
make
the
training
itself
inclusive
and
that
you
know
is
all
about
like
accessibility
and
neurodiversity
and
all
those
angles
and
then
there's
the
what
happens
after
the
training.
A
So
how
do
I
get
from
you
know,
educated
and
trained
to
employable,
and
you
know
work
experience
and-
and
you
know
knowing
where
to
apply
and
how
to
apply
and
into
my
first
job
and
internship,
and
all
of
you
know
all
of
that
kind
of
stuff
or
so
I
thought
that
was
a
really
useful
way
of
thinking
about
it.
A
Like
the
the
reach
bit
of
getting
people
into
the
training
making
the
training,
you
know
inclusive
and
accessible
by
everyone,
and
then
thinking
about
what
happens
afterwards
and
if
all
of
that
gets
stitched
together,
then
we've
got
the
opportunity
I
think
to
go
far
ahead
of
you
know
many
of
the
other
areas
of
of
the
Linux
Foundation.
A
You
know
truly
with
you
know:
there's
initiatives
around
like
you
know:
diversity,
diversity
in
software
development
and
in
what's
the
other
big
track,
the
the
hardware
Alliance
but
they're
they're,
not
thinking
about
this
kind
of
end-to-end,
as
we
were
discussing
so
I,
think
that's,
what's
really
exciting.
Right
like
getting
outside
and
Beyond
like
a
training
program
and
and
thinking
about
reaching
people
and
building
careers,
because
I
think
that's
what
moves
the
the
needle
as
I
think
we'd,
probably
all
see.
D
Yeah
well
said:
I
couldn't
agree
more,
it's
more
like
the
end
to
end
and
yeah.
If
you
just
build
like
a
really
good
training
program,
but
you
don't
have
anyone
who
you
want
to
be
in
that
training
program
or
you
don't
really
look
at
what
it
is
or
the
obstacles
to
participating,
then
you
are
yeah
you're
doing
a
disservice
to
it.
Okay,
yeah
and
I.
Think
for
each
one
of
those
things
as
we
look
into
them,
it's
it's
going
to
be
like
what
are
the
Partnerships
who's
actually
strong
in
those
areas.
D
D
What
are
like
some
of
the
things
that
we
want
to
actually
specifically
go
into
what
are
like
some
like
the
items
that
we
would
want
to
like
tackle
that
specifically
that's
kind
of
like
what
I
wanted
to
get
into
next.
C
I
think
a
quick
win
that
we
could
achieve
I,
put
a
link
in
the
opens.
The
Linux
Foundation
hosts
a
variety
of
different
conferences
and
I.
Think
we
very
quickly
could
put
together
some
type
of
targeted
presentation
to
the
to
our
topic
here
and
try
to
reach
out
to
the
existing
conference
participants
first
off
to
try
to
you
know
it
make
people
aware
of
what
resources
are
available,
but
also
start
to
you
know,
solicit
them
for
what's
your
feedback,
how
can
we
make
the
pipeline
easier
and
you
know
help
people
get
onboarded?
C
What
types
of
activities
would
you
like
to
see?
You
know
post
training,
I
love
the
idea.
I
can't
recall
the
young
lady
who
was
talking
about
it
in
the
first
call,
but
she
was
talking
about
the
need
to
have
digital
portfolios
for
these
applicants
and
this
mentorship.
So
you
know
we
could
actually
do
kind
of
a
bird's,
a
feather
type
thing
and
engage
with
the
conference
participants
there
to
say
how
can
we
get
information
from
you,
but
also,
you
know,
start
to
solicit
your
participation
in
these
efforts
because
we
it's.
C
C
And
even
it's
just
as
simple
as
a
birds
of
a
feather
thing,
like
hey
we're
here,
to
talk
about
education,
topics
related
to
De
and
I
who's
interested
in
coming
to
talk
with
us
and
maybe
we'll
get
some
maintainers
or
some
other
corporate
people
that
to
try
to
get
to
solicit
their
opinion
and
their
participation.
You
know,
like
Intel
sponsors,
a
large
series
of
internships
every
year.
So
what's
to
say,
I
can't
go.
Ask
my
corporate
overlords
hey.
C
D
I
really
like
that,
because
it
could
just
be
like
I've
been
to
a
couple
of
I.
Don't
know,
Jay
was
saying
something
as
in
the
other
training
ignoring
okay
yeah,
because
I
was
thinking
that
that
could
be
a
good
like
if
they
had
like
a
package
that
certain
conferences
potentially
have
time
for
this
type
of
topic,
and
this
is
how
just
make
sure
it's
dead,
I
think
that's
a
great
idea
and
then
somehow
make
that
a
feeder
into
where
we
could
get.
We
could
gather
that
input
yeah.
D
C
Well,
the
the
Linux
Foundation
is
going
to
do
the
open
source.
Summits
they'll
do
three
of
those
a
year.
Yeah
you're
gonna
have
things
like
the
LF
member
Summit
you'll
have
other
kind
of
non
things
like
plumbers
or
usenix.
There's
a
lot
and
then
there's
a
bunch
of
cloud
native.
The
cncf
does
a
bunch
of
conferences
as
well,
so
I,
particularly
potentially,
could
hop
on
any
number
of
those
and
kind
of
take
our.
C
You
know
our
our
petition
that
we're
looking
to
improve
this
area,
we're
looking
for
people
we're
looking
for
feedback
on
how
we
can
do
it
and
participants
on
how
we
can
start
to
work
on
some
of
these
topics,
and
you
know,
solicit
people
that
are
interested
in
doing
mentorship,
they're
interested
in
being
able
to
help
curate
and
develop
those
digital
portfolios,
for
example
developer.
But
you
know
I'd
be
glad
to
help
out.
C
However,
I
can
you
know-
and
we
talked
about
interviewing
and
resume
helping,
there's
a
lot
of
different
aspects
to
help
build
up
that
for
these
young
people's
resumes
and
their
ability
to
be
able
to
become
active
participants
in
our
community.
B
Thank
you.
Another
approach
you
can
take
is
a
few
of
the
diversity
inclusion
groups
so,
like
I,
know
women
in
cyber
security
they
host
a
conference
in
March.
You
have
fish,
that's
something.
We've
heard
for
me
see
security
that
happens
in
December.
We
have
Grace
Hopper.
B
You
have
a
few
of
those
afro
attackers,
another
one
that
they
usually
open,
Austin
more
around
the
Haitian
community,
so
we
can
probably
participate
with
a
lot
of
these
like
Community
groups,
and
you
know,
have
talks
about
this
topic
and
same
thing
as
corrup
was
saying,
is
kind
of
just
getting
survey
and
feedback
like
how
do
we
make
this
process
easier
for
you
through
these
different
avenues
that
are
already
getting
people
that
are
like
handling
the
mentoring
handling,
the
interviewing
the
soft
skills
and
we
kind
of
provide
that
Avenue
for
the
digital
portfolio,
which
I
I
had
shared
on
this
lack
last
year
on
some
documents
that
I
wrote
of
like
strategies
of
How
I
build
out
my
digital
portfolio
yeah.
B
So
those
are
things
that
we
can
also
leverage
I
think
as
far
as
the
community,
and
we
can
invite
members
from
there.
We
could
probably
reach
out
to
these
different
groups
and
be
like
hey
we're.
Having
these
conversations
come
join
us.
These
are
the
talks.
This
is
how
you
become
aware
and
participant,
because
that's
something
I
don't
see
in
the
Linux
Foundation
is
I
mean
I'll.
We
see
it
kind
of
very,
very,
very
light,
but
folks
from
these
different
organizations,
I
don't
see
them
in
these
calls
across
the
board.
E
Yeah
I
like
I,
like
that
a
lot
man
I
mean
like
there's,
like
other
organizations
like
if
I
remember
correctly
girls.
That
code
is
that
I
can't
remember
that
one
code,
2040
there's
a
whole
bunch
of
organizations
like
that
that
they
would
be
phenomenal
to
have
on
these
calls.
E
I
I
have
a
contact
that
used
to
do
a
lot
of
work
with
code,
2040.
I'm
curious
to
see
if
they
still
do
that
work
I'll
reach
out
to
him
and
if
I
can't
see
if
I
can't
get
them
on.
This
call.
B
That
would
be
phenomenal
yeah.
Thank
you.
Jay
yeah
I
have
a
few
with
the
Haitians
Latinas
and
cyber
some
of
the
women
in
Tech
and
women
in
cyber
security.
So
I
can
send
out.
E
Why
don't
we
put
one
together
Nicole
if
you
want
to
take
that
as
an
action
item?
Some
of
these
names
that
we're
throwing
out
here
get
a
good
list
started
like
so
code
2040
girls,
that
code
big
to
send
you
a
mentioned.
I
mentioned
a
few
others.
E
You
get
a
good
list
going
and
maybe
take
a
action
item
on
those
of
us
that
know
of
these
organizations
to
reach
out
to
them.
But
maybe,
if
you
want
to
put
that
list
together
in
the
code,
that
would
be
great.
D
Yeah
that'd
be
good,
yeah
and
I.
Have
some
I
have
some
things
from
like
previous
job
I
had
I
just
have
to
remember
it
from
my
mind,
but
it
is.
E
A
Yeah
I
I
love
the
idea
of
putting
me
together
at
the
conferences
and
I
think
they're
open
source
Summits
are
particularly
good
because
they
they're
very
like
cross-functional
right.
They
have.
You
know
the
open,
ssf
track
and
the
hyperledger
track,
and
all
that
stuff
which
is
so
they're
a
great
bringing
together
of
all
those
different
people,
and
it
will
be
able
to
get
a
lot
of
sponsors.
A
I
I
put
a
a
an
open
around
kind
of
like
discuss.
The
terms
of
reference
for
the
for
this
committee
and
I
know
that's
a
I,
don't
know.
Maybe
an
old-fashioned
and
overly
formal
like
way
of
putting
it,
but
I
do
I.
Do
think
it's
useful
to
think
about
like
what
Gap
we're
trying
to
fill
and
like
if
we
look
back
say
this
time
next
year.
A
What
success
would
look
like
in
terms
of
the
outcomes
that
we
want
to
achieve,
for
example,
I'm,
going
just
that
we're
all
focusing
in
on
what
I
would
call
like
the
Next,
Generation
topic
and
I
think
there's
consensus
generally,
that
that
is
how
you
really
deliver
like
step
change.
A
A
You
know
we
aren't
thinking
about
training
people
who
are
like
mid-career
working
for
an
insurance
company
or
whatever
you
know,
we're
thinking
about
the
Next
Generation
and
getting
people
from
college
and
non-college
backgrounds
from
this
list
of
groups
more
represented
in
you
know
an
appsec,
and
if
we
could
find
anything
about
what
representation
currently
is
you
know
in
appsec
and-
and
you
know,
I
am
pretty
sure
that
security
is
even
poorer,
represented
than
technology
as
a
whole.
A
Right,
there's
lots
of
nodding
right.
We
feel
it
we,
you
know,
we
know
it,
but
I
think
it
would
be
great
for
us
to
have,
like
you
know,
a
few
stats
that
explain
why
we're
focused
there
and
and
have
some
initiatives
that
we
would
look
for.
Other
companies
and
individuals
to
join
and
sponsor-
and
maybe
you
know
the
the
may
open
source
Summit
is-
is
a
good
targeted
date
to
have
some
of
that
like
solidified.
A
A
Sorry,
I'm
kind
of
going
off,
but
yeah
I
think
we
we're
all
in
agreement
and
and
like
inherently
know
that
this
is
the
right
direction.
But
it's
maybe
a
couple
of
steps
for
for
somebody
who
might
be
looking
at
this
from
the
outside.
D
Yeah
yeah
I
really
like
that,
because
one
of
the
things
that
we
want
to
do
is
at
least
when
I
was
chatting
with
Jay
last
week,
because
we
wanted
to
bias
towards
action.
We
we
do
want
to
get
something
done
so
I
like
the
aggressive
timelines.
Only
it's
just
kind
of
gets
you
going
just
like
so
yeah,
so
even
last
year,
actually
at
open
source
Summit
in
Austin.
D
A
Amazing
and
I
mean
I'm
I'm,
a
huge
fan
of
bias
towards
action
and
I
think
there
might
even
be
something
where
we
could
plan
like
a
proof
of
concept
to
you
know,
get
funded
by
open
ssf
that
we
then
roll
out
and-
and
you
know,
Market
to
to
other
to
other
groups
and
potential
sponsors,
as
as
we
go
forward.
D
A
D
That
look
like
then,
because
I
had
heard
about
like
Alpha
Omega
project
was
doing
something
that
was
targeted
towards
diversity.
Does
that
look
like
working
with
them
and
seeing
what
types
of
activities
that
they're
working
towards
and
getting
that
goal
in
that
plan.
B
What
one
of
the
things
I
wanted
to
do
was
leverage
some
of
the
communities
to
help
considering
where
or
two
for
Man
theme
depends
on
the
weekend,
travel
plans
so
definitely
that
and
then
to
kind
of
drive
more
towards
the
university
and
kind
of
build
up
that
little
pipeline,
where
we
could
pop
hand
off
some
vulnerabilities
that
we
found
and
kind
of
streamline
that
to
make
it
easier
but
I
think
working
with
these
different
groups
and
getting
that
funnel
in
of
contributors
and
containers
to
help
them
kind
of
support.
B
Their
growth
I
think
it'll
have
a
larger
impact
to
all
the
open
ssf
rather
than
just
south
Omega,
because
now
we
can
get
more
contributors
to
you,
know
six
door
or
best
practices
or
whatever,
okay,
so
yeah,
it's
not
tldr.
It's
it's
I!
Think
it's
online
gotcha.
A
B
A
That's
a
really
great
like
ground
for
the
like
mentorship
and
the
portfolio
building
and
the
the
like
application
of
learnings
post
training
I.
Do
wonder
whether
they're
they're
like
reach
angle
and
getting
people
inspired
and
excited
and
motivated
to
to
even
come
along,
and
you
know,
get
through
all
the
training
before
they
even
get
into
like
the
the
you
know.
Portfolio,
building
and
and
applying
their
skills
angle
might
be
the
place
we
want
to
focus.
A
You
know
in
the
first
half
of
this
year
it's
just
a
thought,
but
without
that
Pipeline
and
and
like
excitement,
we
might
end
up
putting
together.
You
know
some
great
plans
around
how
how
folks
can
you
know,
go
and
apply
their
skills
and
work
with
work
with
some
of
the
you
know,
most
prestigious
comp
projects.
You
know
out
there
and
then
we
end
up
with,
like
you
know,
one
applicant
for
a
hundred
places
or
whatever
in
like
a
mentoring
scheme
that
that'll
be
a
a
really
disappointing
outcome.
A
So
yeah
again
just
a
thought
on,
like
sequencing.
F
Is
there
a
way,
I
know?
Last
time
at
the
last
meeting
there
was
a
discussion
about
the
soft
engineering
skills.
F
Is
there
a
way
to
kind
of
work
and
Target
some
of
that
in
as
we're
looking
at
going
forward,
making
things
more
inclusive
because
I
think
part
of
the
overall
goal
when
you
do
diversity
and
inclusion
is
to
make
sure
people
are
broadly
aware
of
who
could
have
the
skill
set
right?
It's
not
just
particular
groups
of
people
from
said
school
right
we're
trying
to
make
sure
that
people
know
that
these
scales
are
all
over
the
place
right.
F
So
if
we're
doing
some
of
the
soft
skill
stuff,
like
I,
believe
one
example
brought
up
last
time
is,
let's
say
like
how
to
use
GitHub
and
and
just
knowing
how
to
set
some
of
these
things
up.
Is
it
possible,
with
some
of
the
portfolio
stuff
that
we
integrate
in
there
and
show
that
people
who
are
working
in
this
program
have
these
soft
skills,
because
I
do
think
that
some
of
the
things
that's
going
to
jump
up
if
we're
talking
about
gearing
people
towards
getting
jobs?
F
So
I
don't
really
know
how
that
all
goes
together
neatly,
but
I
do
think.
That's
a
factor
that
was
brought
up
last
time
that
definitely
should
be
integrated.
D
A
Yeah
for
sure,
I
I've
learned
the
hard
way
that
setting
an
ambition
to
teach
people
a
broad
set
of
software
engineering
skills
becomes
very,
very
challenging,
but
saying
there
are
people
graduating
from
you
know
boot
camp
self-taught,
you
know
two-year
degree
programs,
four-year
degree
programs
who
can
all
code-
and
these
are
the
five
things
they're
missing-
to
be
able
to
land
a
job
as
a
junior
application.
Security
engineer
is
is
where
you
can
really
really
win
like
working
out.
A
You
know,
threat,
vulnerability,
analysis
and
and
secure
coding,
best
practices
and
devsecops.
Like
you
know
the
the
more
we
compare
it
back
to
the
the
consistent
gaps,
things
people
aren't
learning
and
you
know
in
their
college
courses
and
in
boot
camps
wherever
it
is,
that
also
employers
are
looking
for,
for
people
to
come
into.
These
kinds
of
roles
can
be
hugely
powerful,
I
think
I,
think
you're,
saying
the
same
thing:
Nicole
foreign.
B
I
think
we
can
also
leverage
because
a
lot
of
the
communities
they
they
work
on
the
soft
skills
but
I
like
the
idea
of
kind
of
like
an
assessment
like
these-
are
your
top
five
skills
missing
for
your
dream,
your
next
dream
job.
So
software
engineer,
whatever
kind
of
giving
them
that
guidance
and
be
like
hey.
These
are
the
different
Community
groups
that
you
can
probably
learn
it
from,
or
these
are
the
the
gaps
that
we
see
in
the
community
groups
and
here's.
You
know
our
sources.
D
B
I
think
just
giving
folks
the
guidance
and
the
resources
has
been
mentioned.
I
think
is
a
good
path.
D
D
The
skill
set
this
this
career,
and
this
is
what
you
this
is
kind
of
like
auditing,
where
you
are-
and
this
is
how
we're
going
to
help
you
get
where
you
are,
whether
it's
like
the
resources
and
it's
the
mentorship
and
we
kind
of
come
along
with
you
along
the
path
and
make
it
very
attainable,
and
we
can
potentially
like
do
that
in
the
car
at
least
for
like
20
23
see,
we
can
do
like
a
proof
of
concept
and
it
seems
a
little
bit
more
bound.
I
can
see
it
yeah.
D
D
And
then
maybe
one
or
two
career
oppositions
or
whatever
it
is
that
we
find
and
I'm
not
sure
if
we
first
listen
and
see
what
people
need
or
because
it's
always
hard
to
just
come
in.
Jumping
and
saying,
we've
got
the
solution
without
actually
hearing
what
people
want,
but
I
believe
we
can
start
with
one
or
two
universities
and
do
some
a
couple
of
like
listening
sessions,
see
something
like
the
gaps
and
then
see
some
the
ways
that
we
could
potentially
help
within,
like
the
certain
deadlines
or
what
we
want.
D
What
can
we
do
by
some
of
these
I
think
what
another
thing
that
could
be
pretty
exciting,
as
even
as
we
work
with
some
of
these
universities,
I
would
like
to
start
even
seeing
some
of
the
folks
who
come
out
of
these
programs
also
be
the
ones
who
potentially
go
on,
speak
and
teach
and
become
like
the
next
level
of
mentors
as
well.
F
D
I
guess
the
next
thing
is
probably
just
thinking
about
what
are
some
of
my
potential
universities
and
I
think
with
some
of
these
universities.
Some
of
the
experiences
that
I
think
we
may
have
had
with
some
of
them
is
that
there's
a
relationships
that
get
built
with
the
university
that
you
talk
to,
and
that
could
also
be
what
you
call
it
like
something
that
could
take
a
little
longer
to
do
like
what
are
the
relationships.
D
I
would
need
to
develop
to
kind
of
get
them
up
and
running,
because
a
lot
of
companies
or
a
lot
of
organizations
may
come
into
some
typical
universities
with
a
plan,
but
if
they're
not
if
they
don't
feel
like,
there's
going
to
be
consistency
and
there's
going
to
be
some
outcome,
then
you
may
kind
of
lose
the
interest
to
to
get
your
programs
going.
So
those
are
some
of
the
obstacles
that
I
think
we've
seen
at
least
you
and
I
were
chatting
about
that
as
well.
E
As
a
as
a
way
to
I
mean
we
could
start
thinking
about
this
as
we
get
closer
to
the
to
the
end
of
the
call,
but
let's
let's,
let's
do
a
quick
level
set
too
just
to
just
to
shorten
our
shot
group
on
exactly.
E
Let's
get
that
three
to
five
bullets
of
what
exactly
we
want
to
accomplish
and
I
want
to
say
maybe
three
to
five
thirty,
three
to
five
sixty
and
then
three
to
five.
Ninety
day
now
that
I
mean
that
30
60
90.
that
came
from
the
military
hell,
it
could
be
60,
90
120,
it
could
be
90
120.
You
know
180
right.
It
could
be
anything
like
that,
but
three
to
five
bullets
of
what
we
want
to
accomplish.
E
Oh,
oh,
you
know
that
the
all-over
umbrella
of
this
is
what
this
working
group
is
going
to
be
dedicated
to
now.
What
are
the
tasks
underneath
that
we
want
to
that?
We
want
to
Target
to
make
that
a
reality
right
and
then
build
some
stuff
off
of
that.
D
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
I
see
in
sort
of
like
the
long
term
or
the
180
or
the
90,
whichever.
However,
your
profit
is
having
a
proof
of
concept
that
has
been
done
and
we've
kind
of
got
at
least
the
first
cut
of
data
from
that,
but
that
would
not
probably
fit
into
a
90-day
that
would
fit
into
a
longer
term.
So
maybe
I
got
it
the
date's
wrong,
but
that
would
be
like
one
of
the
end
results.
A
We
go
February
around
as
well:
yeah
yeah,
no
I'm
putting
together
another
talk
for
it.
So
yeah.
A
Can
make
them
fairly
high
level,
you
know
and
then
putting
together
the
actual
details
of
that
yeah.
You
could
do
over
the
over
the
time
in
between.
D
Yes,
so
two
weeks
from
now
would
be
around
the
31st,
so
we
could
already
think
about
crafting
something,
even
though
it's
not
in
that
time
frame
crafting
something
that
could
be
a
cfp
for
open
source,
North,
America
and
stop
thinking
about
that.
For,
for
the.
E
Next
meeting-
and
that
might
be
something
Chrome
can
help
us
with,
especially
in
the
short,
the
short
term,
that
we
have
like
two
weeks.
He's
he's
real
good
at
this
I'm,
not
sure
what
all
we
would
think
about,
presenting
right
now
being
that
we're
still
so
new,
but
I
do
think
the
I
do
think
the
open
source
Summit
could
benefit
at
least
open.
That's
a
subject
could
benefit
from
hearing
from
this
group,
especially
since
d
e
and
I
gets
talked
about
at
The
Summit
in
real
time
yeah.
E
C
I
I
would
suggest
two
proposals
from
this
group.
The
first
would
be
where
the
de
and
I
subcommittee-
this
is
what
we're
about
and
trying.
This
would
be
more
for
open,
ssf
day
talk
about
here's
our
plan
for
action
for
the
balance
of
the
year
and
then
I
would
also
suggest
for
the
overall
conference
at
least
one
birds
of
a
feather
session,
where
we
are
directly
soliciting
the
conference
goers
for
feedback.
What
would
you
benefit
from
what
type
of
interest
can
we
get
from
kind
of
underserved,
underrepresentative
engineers
in
this
space?
C
Maybe
that
I
don't
know
how
much
academics
come
to
these
things,
but
again
we
would
try
to
kind
of
cast
as
Broad
and
as
we
can
we're
looking
for
information,
you
know
feedback
on
what
people
would
like
to
see
out
of
these
programs
and
then
potentially
start
to
I'm
going
to
deputize
some
people,
some
folks
that
show
up
hey
I'm.
You
know
I'm,
really
glad
you
all
showed
up
for
this
topic.
Would
you
be
interested
in
helping
us
write
a
a
quick
guide
on
how
to
do
a
git
commit?
C
Would
you
be
interested
in
participating
in
our
mentorship
program
or
you
know,
does
your
company
offer
any
kind
of
internships
so
to
kind
of
use
that
as
a
recruitment
session
as
well,
so
I
would
do
the
one
like
a
general
kind
of
what
we
are
for
open
ssf
day
and
then
at
least
one
kind
of
buff
trying
to
get
data,
but
also
recruits.
D
C
I
didn't
I
I,
don't
have
it
handy.
I've
got
a
bunch
of
other
other
open
source
reports
open,
but
not
that
particular
one.
But.
D
C
Those
are
the
easiest
call
for
papers.
You
kind
of
write,
we're
going
to
do
a
birds
of
a
feather
and
we're
gonna
talk
about
X,
Y
and
Z,
and
we're
looking
for
these
types
of
people
to
show
up.
So
those
are
super
easy.
You
have
to
do
like
zero,
oh
crap,
you
just
kind
of
walk
in
and
you
have
a
great
conversation.
C
If
it's
you
know
a
good
topic,
so
yeah
I,
I'm
I,
have
submitted
many
conference
presentations
in
my
life,
I'm
glad
to
help
this
group
massage
it
and
get
it
to
a
good
place.
Glad
to
support.
However,
this
group
was
to
move
forward.
D
A
I
think
the
passing
to
reach
out
to
about
like
Linux
Foundation
data
on
dni
is
Hillary
Carter.
If
anyone
else
who
knows
her
but
she's,
she's,
phenomenal
and
she's,
the
head
of
research
for
the
whole
Linux,
Foundation
and
and
could
hopefully
pump
us
all
full
of
data.
E
Oh
yeah,
what
what
I
mean?
What
does
the
group
think
about
even
like
a
substance,
a
future?
This
is
something
Christine
and
I
talked
about
last
year,
something
futuristic
where
we
could
even
we're
not
going
to
make
it
happen
for
this
conference,
but
maybe
in
subsequent
conferences,
even
finding
our
way
through
the
mentorship
program
or
whatever
we
build
there
being
able
to
get
some
of
these
students
out
to
the
conference
right,
they're
funding
for
that
I
I'm,
not
sure
what
that
looks
like,
but
getting
these
students
out
to
the
conference
getting
them.
E
Actually,
you
know
getting
them
actually
around
maintainers
around
developers
around
having
those
conversations,
I
mean
I,
Christine
and
I
talked
about
that
that
right
there
I'm
not
gonna
lie
I
mean
that
that's
a
goal,
but
also
a
dream.
That's
something
I
would
love
to
see
that
you
don't
see
ever
we
could
be
the
first
group,
that's
the
that's!
What
that's
the
kind
of
stuff
I'm
talking
about
where
I
say
broader,
opens
us
up
and
then
higher
level
hell
up.
E
If
we
can
make
that
happen,
getting
you
know
getting
a
group
of
you
know,
students
or,
or
you
know,
just
out
into
the
conference
right
I,
don't
know
what
that
looks
like
funding,
wise
I.
Think
that's
I
think
that's
the
dragon
that
we're
going
to
beat
the
sleigh
there,
but
but
that's
something
futuristic
that
we
can
even
think
about
too,
as
we
consider
what
we're
what
we're
doing
here
at
program
wise
for
this
for
this
subcommittee.
D
Yeah,
you
need
to
maintain
a
session
as
crop
says
that
would
be
really
excellent
and
even
that
even
at
open
source
and
North
America
Summit,
and
they
don't
have
like
security
con
for
some
of
those
days.
It'll
be
really
good
for
those
for
folks
to
kind
of
get
a
sense
of
like
what's
going
on
in
there
and
learn
in
real
time
and
I.
Think
that
would
be
a
great
goal.
D
C
At
least
with
the
security
conference
that
I'm
involved
with
here
in
Ohio,
we
they
do
carve
offs
for
students
both
high
school
as
well
as
college.
So
we
we've
arranged
with
the
conference
promoters
to
provide
so
many
tickets
to
students
can
come
at
no
charge.
So
we
potentially
could
ask
for
something
like
that
and
then
figure
out.
You
know
the
big
cost
is
going
to
be
travel,
but
if
it's
a
virtual
conference,
those
are
even
easier
and
more
likely
to
happen.
C
If
we
get
somebody
a
virtual
invite,
but
I
would
I
prefer
the
in-person
contact
much
more
impactful
for
a
young
person
to
have
that
direct
one-on-one
contact
and
walk
away
with
I.
You
used
to
get
somebody's
business
card,
but
today
the
kids
don't
do
that.
A
I
guess
it's
LinkedIn
or
something
I
know
the
the
Linux
Foundation
does
really
really
discounted
tickets
for
full-time
students.
People
in
academic
settings,
like
10
of
the
price,
or
something
like
that
so
I
think
that
side
of
it
is
pretty
pretty
Global
right.
You
know
you
could
easily.
We
could
easily
picture
of
our
employees.
Hey
you're
paying
for
my
ticket
like
pay,
50,
more
and
I
can
bring
five
students
with
me
right
that
that
would
be
the
kind
of
thing
you
can
put
on
a
corporate
credit
card.
A
You
know,
I
think
the
challenge
will
be
getting
them
to
you
know
Vancouver
for
three
days:
that's
suddenly!
Where
the
you
know
the
bill
comes
in
at
you
know
four
figures
and
I
do
wonder
if
you
can
get
more
reach
by
by
doing
virtual
attendance.
D
That
would
be
good,
like
a
game
plan,
whether
we're
gonna
do
like
virtually
have
a
hundred
people
or
in
person
a
couple.
People
I
would
want
to
figure
it
out,
because,
even
if
you
do
it
virtually,
it
might
be
also
interesting
to
have
like
an
experience
that
might
be
like
just
for
them
for
those
folks.
So,
even
if
it
feels
like
it's
a
virtually
and
somehow
connect
them,
so
they
feel
like
a
community.
D
D
Think
one
thing
that
would
be
pretty
and
it
could
be
like
a
short
30
days,
just
even
like
identifying
sort
of
like
the
partners,
the
potential
Partners
communities
and
organizations
that
could
come
alongside
Us
in
these
end
to
end
so
Journey
that
we're
thinking
of
there's
going
to
be
folks
who
can
help
with
the
Outreach
there's
going
to
be
folks
who
can
have
will
help
with
the
mentorship,
like
with
the
soft
skills
and
the
interview,
prep
and
all
those
different
things.
D
I
think
there
are
folks
out
there
who
can
do
some
of
these
and
I
think
that
could
be
something
we
could
Target
short
term
as
well
and
I
know
there's
a
list
starting,
but
that
list
could
actually
be
expanded
kind
of
learning
from
what
was
done
in
the
in
the
education
segment.
We
had
like
that
Matrix,
where
we
had.
What
are
the
different
things
that
I
needed
some
sort
of
like
Matrix,
for
what
might
be
needed
in
some
of
these
areas
could
be
a
useful
like
project.
C
Selfishly
I
wouldn't
mind
a
short
or
a
midterm
item
to
be.
We
get
feedback
back
into
the
plan
around
our
desired
activities.
Okay,
get
that
information
in
there.
As
you
know,
PR,
so
we
can
get
the
plan
adjusted
sooner
rather
than
later
and
then
maybe
for
midterm.
Another
goal
could
be:
we
actually
get
girls
who
code
participating
in
this
call,
or
you
know
whatever
other.
D
Yeah
yeah
so
short
term
make
it
into
the
education
plan
like
the
30
day
and
then
midterm
just
try
to
kind
of
get
more
folks
represented
into
this
call.
Yeah.
A
Can
I
guys
suggest
for
the
long
term,
something
like
or
even
the
midterm
actually
just
put
together
like
a
road
map
for
the
year
with
some
like
projects
and
outcomes,
because
conscious
of
the
funding
cycles
of
this
kind
of
initiative,
we
probably
you
know.
If
we
want
to
do
something
in
Q4,
we
probably
need
to
start
asking
for
buy-in
approval
funding.
A
You
know
by
the
end
of
q1
right
and
that's
me
being
very
optimistic
about
funding
Cycles,
so
we
could
put
together,
like
you,
know,
two
or
three
projects
that
we
want
to
achieve
by
the
end
of
the
year.
That
will
really
Drive
some
outcomes
and
allow
us
to
get.
You
know
the
the
millions
of
dollars
in
that
we'll
need
for
for
2024.
I.
Think
that
would
be
awesome.
E
A
E
A
That's
why
I'm
learning
that
I
agreed
I'm
very
happy
to
take
that
action.
I've,
always
I've,
also
typed
a
couple
even
longer
term.
Like
end
goals,
anyhow
like
well,
I've
put,
you
know,
get
people
from
uigs
contributing
to
key
open
source
projects,
everyone
uidges
into
jobs
as
Junior
appsec,
you
know
engineer
app
set
jobs,
I
I,
don't
know
if
we
want
to
have
some
goals
like
that,
because
then
every
suddenly
we
can
justify
why
we
want
tickets
to
a
conference
right.
A
It's
not
so
that
everyone
can
have
fun
it's
because
we
think
that's
a
key
step
to
somebody
getting
a
job
meeting
and
maintaining
a
contributing
to
a
project,
but
in
that
portfolio
I,
don't
know
if
there
are
any
other
thoughts
on
what
those
like
outcomes.
Those
end
goals
could
look
like
you.
E
Know
what
man
I
mean
look:
throw
dart
to
the
dartboard
right
the
whole
idea
of
brainstorming,
let's
throw
some
projects
on
a
piece
of
paper
and
then
let's
go
through.
What's
what
makes
sense?
What's
realistic,
what
can
be
done
today?
What
takes
a
little
bit
longer
right,
you
know
difficult
do
immediately.
The
Impossible
may
take
a
little
longer
and
miracles
by
appointment.
D
Yeah
and
another
thing:
that's
probably
I,
like
Max
what
you
said
about
like
the
cycles
and
all
because
actually
within
a
lot
of
like
the
different
companies
I
know
within
us,
ours
is
that
there
are
some
employee
resource
groups
that
are
very
much
interested
in
dni
and
different
groups
that
we
could
engage
with
internally.
D
That
can
actually
help
amplify
some
of
the
work,
we're
doing
and
just
getting
some
of
those
stakeholders
either
to
these
meetings
or
even
just
getting
their
their
mind,
share
and
all
I
think
it'd
be
like
a
good
good
goal
for
those
who
actually
belong
to
corporates,
where
they
can
actually
touch
into
those
those
groups
in
those
organization.
They
start
to
be
like
employee
resource
groups
and
those
types
of
organizations.
B
I
think
another
it'd
probably
be
a
short
midterm
just
because
we
need
some
marketing.
We
need
a
way
to
actually
reach
out
to
our
audience.
Besides
through
these
communities,
maybe
something
to
kind
of
share.
I
know:
Linux
Foundation
does
some
stuff,
but
if
you
combine
combine
like
you
know,
Everyone
likes
their
tick
tocks
right
or
they
like
those
quick
little
videos.
B
If
we
can
confine
some
kind
of
like
video
showing
about
the
different
projects-
and
you
know
kind
of
driving
that
attention
the
way
that
folks
get
attention
to
things
nowadays,
I
think
that
that
could
benefit
in
getting
more
folks
on
it
too,
and
we
can
use
that
when
we
reach
out
to
communities
it's
like
this
is
what
we're
doing.
This
is
how
we're
doing
it,
and
you
know
we
need
your
help
to
kind
of
Drive
folks
through
whatnot.
A
Got
another
idea
on
there,
which
is
a
little
bit
a
little
bit
actively
aggressive,
which
is
like
a
lot
of
companies,
have
employee
resource
groups
right
for
for
different
underrepresented
groups
and
that's
great,
but
I,
think
we
we
could
put
forward
not
employed
Resource
Group
right
for
for
people
who
are
from
underrepresented
groups
who
who
want
to
get
a
job
in
in
you
know
in
this
space
and
don't
have
the
the
support
and
the
career
development
and
the
personal
development
stuff
that
comes
from
those
from
those
ergs.
D
So
this
is
with
this
resource
or
not.
Employed
resource
groups
are
external
I'm
assuming.
A
Yeah
I
mean
they
they
typically
like
regular
meetings
access
to
mentorship.
You
know
how
to
guides.
A
You
know
cheat
sheets
for
getting
this
and
that
networking
events
like
job
boards,
like
all
those
sorts
of
things
and
and
often
like
within
companies,
people
will
will
group
together,
and
you
know,
set
that
up
in
some
kind
of
sponsored
way,
but
I
think
there
is
a
lack
of
that
those
sorts
of
community
and
and
sharing
activities
for
people
who
are
looking
for
for
work
who
come
from
a
common
background.
A
There's
loads
of
writing
out
there
about
like
how
to
run
a
good,
ERG,
I
think
we
we
could
think
about.
You
know
that
that
could
be
something
that
you
know.
We
could
look
for
like
funding
for
right.
It
would
be
a
long-term
group
in
space
where
people
who
think
hey,
how
can
I
be
part
of
how
could
I
be
an
application
security
engineer
and
it's
just
being
a
you
know,
a
safe,
supportive
environment
for
that
I'll.
C
Yeah,
like
the
open
ssf,
definitely
we
could
schedule
some
type
of
you
know
Town
Hall.
We
need
to
find
some
interesting
speakers
and
topics
to
get
to
entice
the
viewers
to
come,
but
you
know
I
I
think
the
foundation
definitely
could
help
us
even
with
that.
That
would
be
very
simple
to
do.
It's
just
a
matter
of
getting
speakers
and
content
and
having
that
back
catalog
to
encourage
people
to
continue
to
participate.
D
Okay,
I
know
we
got
a
couple
of
minutes
left,
but
I
think
this
has
been
like
a
a
really
like
lots
of
ideas
coming
and
the
things
I
like
about
some
of
the
ideas
is
that
they
are
attainable
and
thanks
Jay
for
kind
of
get
time
bounding
us
into
this
3090,
so
we
can
actually
like
get
going
so
we've
got
some
action
items
that
we
have
between
now
and
the
next
meeting
and
folks
that
be
delegated
to
so
looking
forward
to
seeing
this,
this
is
going
to
be
really
exciting.
D
All
right,
if
not
check
back
in
two
weeks
and
let's
hope
you
can
get
some
of
the
excitement,
work
going
and
I'll
see
you
take
care.
Thank
you.
Everyone
thanks.