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A
A
A
C
D
Not
even
the
good
one,
that's
just
the
one
with
the
hat
yeah
villain
was
wonderful.
I
love,
Ireland,
I,
hate
international
travel,
but
I
love
Ireland.
It
was
a
delightful
time.
E
D
It
was
a
little
intimidating
when
I
did
my
keynote.
Just
the
main
Auditorium
is
massive
cavernous.
A
A
So
it's
been
a
while,
since
our
last
meeting
we
did
end
up
canceling
the
last
one
because
of
the
conference,
but
the
changes
that
we
talked
about
last
time
have
been
made
in
the
repo
I
did
leave
a
couple
of
the
old
goals
there
crossed
off
just
until
I
double
check
and
make
sure
everything's
been
moved
to
the
other.
The
other
groups,
as
we
talked
about,
but
today
I,
wanted
to
talk
a
little
bit
more.
A
A
A
This
is
purely
an
organizational
question
for
me,
but
I'm,
trying
to
figure
out
dependencies
on
these
things
and
I
believe
that
there
may
be
a
dependency
on
1.6
for
1.4
to
execute.
But
I
am
open
to
opinions,
thoughts
and
suggestions
from
everybody
and
see
if
security
slam,
nice
I'm,
going
to
put
that
in
the
agenda
and,
as
always,
I
forgot
to
say.
If
anyone
has
anything
to
add
to
the
agenda.
Please
feel
free
I'm
going
to
put
this
right
here
at
the
top.
E
Thank
you,
yeah.
It's
cool,
it's
education
that
is
tailored
towards
getting
all
of
the
cncf
projects
that
we
can
to
100
security
compliance
based
on
clo,
monitor,
and
then
we
are
awarding
them
with
additional
training
and
funding
for
the
maintainers
and
also
a
Diversity
Scholarship
within
their
Community.
It's
a
good
deal.
Nice.
D
There
you
go,
I,
don't
have
a
problem
if
you
move
one
six
before
one
four
I
hadn't
when
we
were
thinking
through
these
I
hadn't,
originally
thought
about
like
an
order
of
operations
or
any
kind
of
dependencies
that
we
may
want
to
stage
it
that
way.
Okay,.
B
A
A
E
A
I
got
a
thumbs
up
from
Randall.
Thank
you,
Randall
I
I,
as
I
was
going
through
this
again
this
week,
I
was
looking
and
seeing
some
fairly
glaring
dependencies.
I
think
we
have
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
got
those
identified,
so
we're
not
gonna
be
able
to
do
all
these
at
once.
A
Just
because
of
you
know,
people
that
we
have
available
to
do
it,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
getting
the
things
done
early
that
we
can
so
things
later
on
can
kick
off
as
we
as
we
move
forward
all
right.
So
that's
a
yes
now.
This
goes
along
with
what
we
just
talked
about.
The
second
bullet
of
the
current
1.4
lists
roles
of
personas
to
engage
with
the
goal
of
1.6
is
determined,
veins
and
personas.
That
content
should
be
created
delivered
for
it.
A
Randall
loves
that
idea
and
gives
me
a
thumbs
up
thanks
Randall,
it's
asking
me
not:
okay,
cool
all
right
and
the
last
I'm
going
to
do
when
we're
done
here
today,
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
renumber
the
goals
consecutively.
Just
so
it's
easier
for
us
to
track
things.
Moving
forward,
we've
had
some
things
removed.
I
will
do
that
after
the
meeting.
Everything
in
the
agenda
today
is
based
on
the
current
content
as
it
stands
and
we'll
update
that
as
we
move
forward
all
right
before
we
jump
into
goal
1.1.
A
Does
anyone
have
anything
that
they
would
like
to
bring
up
or
discuss
that
has
to
do
with
this
section
or
the
Sig
in
general?.
D
I
had
a
conversation
with
my
pal
Xavier
and
he
was
lamenting
his
lack
of
ability
to
participate
in
the
best
working
group
and
I
had
been
talking.
He
was
looking
for
ways.
He
could
participate
kind
of
asynchronously,
so
we
want
to
think
about,
as
we
have
some
of
these
milestones
and
the
things
we
want
to
achieve.
There
are
people
that
can't
necessarily
meet
our
call,
but
we
can
their
people
are
very
open
to
additional
work.
D
A
E
Would
recommend
for
the
async
that
we
on
the
slack
that
we're
focusing
this
around
Point
them
towards
it,
pin
something
to
the
top
that
says
that
all
updates
will
be
available
like
basically,
a
release
update
will
be
available
at
a
certain
frequency
and
then
just
ensure
that
everyone
asyncs
on
those
timelines
right
that'll
help
to
get
the
conversation
really
moving
as
well.
A
A
All
right,
I'm
gonna,
move
on
for
now,
but
if
yeah
payment
comes
up
anything
either,
please
add
yourself
or
bring
it
up
and
we'll
add
it
into
the
notes
here,
thanks
Crow,
it
never
hurts
to
help,
never
hurts
to
help
we're
going
to
need
more
than
even
even
if
we
had
everybody
that
came
to
the
original
meeting
involver
any
more
than
those
folks
to
to
make
some
progress
on
this
so
I
agree.
We
need
to
be
asynchronous
friendly
with
with
the
tasks.
F
A
Right
moving
on
to
goal,
1.1
review,
existing
educational
materials
for
gaps
and
opportunities,
so
we've
got
a
number
of
Milestones
listed
here.
The
first
one
is
relatively
easy,
was
creating
a
document
to
track
all
the
information
that
we're
Gathering,
which
is
great.
A
We
want
to
review
existing
secure
development
materials
from
a
variety
of
sources.
We've
named
out
two
specifically
valence
foundation,
openssfs
and
oasp,
and
then
we
have
a
bunch.
Well,
we
have
two
that
that
are
secondary
organizations
who
might
be
able
to
check
out
we've
gotten
a
fair
amount
of
information.
I.
Think
in
the
document
thus
far
take
a
look,
but
you
know
we
asked
people
to
check
their
organizations.
It's
someone
added
juve's
issue
that
all
this
LinkedIn
information.
Yes,
it
was
selected
information
down
here.
A
This
is
a
good
start.
I
do
not
see
any
dependencies
on
the
for
for
this
goal.
We
can
start
gathering
this
information
basically
immediately
and.
A
B
B
I'm,
assuming
that
most
of
their
content
deals
with
web
applications,
however,
that's
not
entirely
true,
and
but
but
yeah,
because
I
and
I
can,
if
you
guys
want
the
link,
we
use
a
program
called
log
seek,
which
is
just
basically
like
a
markdown
organizer,
so
I
can
share
the
GitHub
repo
and
I
can
show
you
the
mountains
of
labs
and
knowledge
bases
and
articles
and
David
Wheeler's
courses
in
there
too.
A
Please
share
that
I
definitely
put
the
information.
C
Of
us
unusual,
like
my
husband,
would
say
I'm
just
wondering:
should
we
start
with
how
to
organize
what
we're
collecting
so
can
we
start
with
groupings?
Could
we
devise
some
groupings
so
that,
when
we
are
finding
content,
we
could
drop
us
in
order
selected
groups,
and
then
we
find
continuously
refined
down
from
there,
but
higher
level
groups?
For
me
even
to
start
organizing
this
stock,
if
we
could
come
up
with
whatever
we
want
to
collect,
would
be
a
really
good
start.
A
C
D
D
This
is
cross-site
scripting
protection
and
then
maybe
potentially
a
target
audience
so
find
some
way
to
organize
it,
and
that
way
we
can
start
to
suss
out
and
see
where
we
have
gaps
from
the
wheeler
content,
and
you
know
where
we
think
we'll
prioritize.
You
know
certain
type.
Now
there
may
be
certain
types
of
Education
we
want
to
get
out
sooner
so
that
way,
at
least
if
we
have
it
categorized,
as
Judy
suggested,
we
can
start
to
take
some
action
on
it.
A
I
think
that
all
makes
sense
Crow
can
I.
Ask
you
to
well.
Is
everyone?
Is
everyone
amicable
to
using
a
spreadsheet
to
to
or
help
organize
the
content
foreign.
B
So
all
swab
has
like
a
front
end
project
because
basically
SKF
uses
angular,
so
I
just
wanted
to
throw
that
out
there,
because
there
is
like
a
whole
front-end
redesign
happening.
That
is
starting
next
week
like
to
move
away
from
angular,
but
yeah.
So
I
was
also
going
to
ask
probe
about
maybe
getting
Cassidy
involved.
D
Yes,
I
have
not
her
card
Gathering
dust
here
on
top
of
my
soundboard
well,.
B
D
I
will
take
another
action
item.
Hopefully
my
last
of
the
call
and
I
will
start
an
email
thread
with
Cassidy
yourself
and
anyone
else
interested,
and
we
can
probably
introduce
her
to
the
group
first
okay
and
say
hey.
This
is
who
we
are.
This
is
when
we're
meeting
we'd
like
to
get
you
included,
and
then
we
could,
after
we've
lured
her
in,
we
can
we're
out
of
pointer
towards
oaspo.
D
C
And
talk,
and
just
as
a
follow-up
to
that
like
going
through
David
is
not
here.
It's
he's.
Secure
development
training
there's
headings
to
start
with
there.
That
I
mean
can
we
maybe
okay.
D
C
C
A
D
Yeah
and
I
slightly
disagree
with
two
platforms:
Learners
come
in
many
different
shapes
and
sizes,
and
learning
behaviors.
So
we're
going
to
need
to
take
that
core
content
and
it
needs
to
be
absolutely
being
courses
like
the
security
fundamentals,
absolutely
and
Hands-On
platforms
like
SKF,
and
then
we
need
to
think
about
alternatives.
D
We
should
probably
think
about
the
next
set
of
Linux
Foundation
conferences.
Can
we
get
a
dedicated
training
track
because
I'm
sure
we
could
put
together
several
hours
worth
of
content
around
secure
development
and
Associated
activities
and
actually
started
to
give
it
there?
And
then
you
know
that's
one
type,
and
then
you
have
you
know:
organizations
like
girls
who
code
you
want
to
find
out
how
we
can
share
information
with
them,
so
they
can
integrate
it
and
we
want
to
think
about.
You
know
like
rescalers
or
people
changing
careers.
D
So
we
need
to
have
a
lot
of.
We
should
we're.
Gonna
have
a
lot
of
different
channels
bear
SPF,
and
the
main
course
will
be
the
primary
kind
of
authoritative
sources
for
us
and
then
we'll
figure
out
how
to
transform
it
outwards.
Fair,
fair,
yeah,
Sal,
something
like
that.
We
just
need
to
figure
out,
and
you
know,
get
the
stuff
written
and
get
a
body
to
do
it.
A
Good
cool
all
right,
jumping
back
to
goal
1.1,
so
we're
going
to
add
the
Milestone
about
organizing
things,
I
I
know
when
we
were
working
on
the
original
Google
Document.
We
were
kind
of
brainstorming
organizations
that
we
could
pull
from
and
that's
how
we
came
up
with
a
couple
of
these
milestones.
We
wanted
to
make
sure
we
hit
up
the
legs
Foundation,
you
want
to
make
sure
we
hit
up
o
wasp.
A
Do
you
want
to
try
and
divide
and
conquer
and
and
have
signed
people's
leads
start?
Looking
at
this
information,
do
you
want
to
pitch
this
to
the
larger
Sig
and
the
larger
working
group
see
if
we
get
some
help
around
those
specific
categories?
I'm,
sorry,
this
organizations
and
do
we
want
to
add
some
additional
organization
names
to
that
that
third
one
there
we
kind
of
have
safe
code
and
ISC
squared
I'm
sure,
there's
more
that
are
out
there.
D
Yes,
I
I
would
pitch
it
out
first
to
the
Sig
mailing
list
and
then
CC
the
best
practices
list.
Okay,.
E
Is
it
I
mean,
would
it
be
appropriate
to
send
this
out
through
sort
of
the
leadership
list
as
well?
I
think
it
was
sort
of
one
of
the
signal
processing
issues
here
is
that
everyone
who
cares
about
security
hears
about
security
and
none
of
the
people
who
could
propagate
it
more
widely
hear
about
it?
D
Do
you
have
like
the
governing
board
list
you're
talking
about
or
the.
D
A
While
Chrome
is,
is
frantically
looking
for
the
link,
are
there
any
other
organization,
we'd
like
to
add
right
now
to
the
to
the
list
that
we
have
here?
Gee
I
think
you
already
pulled
a
bunch
of
stuff
from
LinkedIn.
C
Yeah
I
did
I
literally
I
copied
and
pasted
somebody
else's
work,
who
posted
it
to
link
in
I
I
gave
them
the
credit
somebody
had
listed
loads
of
LinkedIn
training
and
I've.
Also
read
it
just
the
other
two
days
ago,
I
think
was
Reddit
resources,
which
was
new
to
me.
I
hadn't
even
thought
to
look
in
there
for
resources,
so
I,
but
I
haven't
investigated.
F
F
C
That
would
be
a
real
areas,
rather
just
a
real
problem,
so
if
people
didn't
know
that
somewhere,
like
Wikipedia
taking
stuff
that
you
believe
to
be
true,
but
maybe
that's
another
day's
work
anyway,
there's
loads
of
subreddits
between
Network
computers
and
cyber
security,
blue
teams,
red
teams,
all
sent
perception
and
honeypots
I
couldn't
believe
it.
I
was
like
what
foreign.
A
Savior's
last
name
Coryell.
C
Okay,
this
is
I
I
thought
it
might
have
been
some
weird
coincidence,
Xavier
balikins,
as
a
gentleman,
he
shared
us
on
their
complete
Community.
Okay,
that.
A
C
I'd
be
happy
to
offer
my
time
to
look
at
an
organization.
I
would
like
to
know
while
I
am
looking
for
and
I
think
the
spreadsheet
will
really
help.
Okay
with
that
I
like
not
to
put
the
car
before
the
heart.
So
if
we
could
decide
first
on
what
we're
looking
for,
where
to
post
it
when
we
find
it
how
to
collect
the
information,
I'd
be
happily
offer
my
time
for
one
or
whatever
needs.
E
A
D
It
I
will
set
this
up
later
today.
I'll
need
to
delete
actually
not
today,
because
I'm
actually
very
busy
today
till
like
seven
o'clock.
My
time
but
I
will
have
this
done
before
Monday
and
I
will
have
Wheeler's
structure
in
there.
If
you
wanted
to
put
your
information
Randall
in
another
tab
or
a
sheet
in
the
Google
nomenclature,
I
will
I'll
start
to
massage
things,
I'm
going
to
put
Dave's
Word
document
as
a
tab.
I'll
put
a
Randall's
thing
as
a
tab.
D
A
All
right
so
once
excuse
me,
the
initial
creation
is
done,
Crow
Randall.
How
long
do
we
want
to
take
to
have
the
group
review
this
before
we
say
that
we
are
good
enough
to
move
forward
and
start
collecting
some
of
the
content.
D
Let's,
let's
put
a
milestone
for
our
next
call,
then
okay.
B
F
A
A
Activity
is
a
survey
you
want
to
take
a
survey
to
find
out
what's
missing
or
what's
wrong
and
then
subsequently,
after
that
survey,
we
wanted
to
do
a
gap,
analysis
against
existing
ossf
materials
or
classes
document
areas.
New
content
is
desired
or
required.
So,
ultimately,
our
goal
here
is
to
determine
what
we've
got.
What's
out.
There
right
now
understand
what
we
still
may
need,
or
what
might
not
be
comprehensive
enough
or
targeted
toward
the
Right
audience
and
then
help
facilitate
some
of
the
other
sections
activities.
A
By
saying
this
is
the
type
of
content
that
we
believe
we
we
need
to
either
further
develop
or
create,
based
on
some
of
the
priorities
that
we've
come
up.
C
A
E
So
I
would
try
to
get
this
out
as
much
as
we
can,
because
we
right
now
don't
necessarily
know
who
the
like
most
amplifying
audience
will
be,
but
I
would
want
the
first
question
to
be
to
identify
as
a
student
employee,
to
insecurity
or
employed
outside
of
security.
Essentially,
those
three
markers
for
me
would
crystallize
exactly
what
kind
of
education
I
think
we
would
need
to
contribute
and
sort
of
the
proportion
of
them
based
on
that
survey.
Response.
E
E
A
couple
of
hundred
responses
to
be
able
to
know
what's
genuine
okay
and
we
want
to
have
it
to
be
geographically
distributed.
This
effort
is
really
going
to
have
to
be
something
that
we
I
mean
if
you
send
it
out
through
ossf
you're
gonna
extremely
bias,
your
sample
right
towards
only
those
who
are
already
very
aware.
E
So
we,
if
we
put
that
together,
we
can
get
that
sent
out
through
Community
classroom
like
dok,
some
of
these
side
spaces
where
there's
interest
and
security,
but
not
an
awareness,
because
that's
who
we're
trying
to
Target
right
but
I
do
Wonder
if
we
can
get
some
of
the
sub
foundations
of
Linux
to
send
this
out
on
their
distros.
E
That
will
give
us
a
better
idea
of
perhaps-
and
maybe
this
is
something
that
we
also
include
sector
by
sector.
What
is
the
demand.
A
C
And
another
I
know
I'm
sorry
for
a
terrible
question.
How
many
in
general
I
have
no
experience
of
sending
out
surveys
and
asking
people
to
reply?
So
if
you're
looking,
is
there
a
50
response
rate?
What's
the
idea
of
success
here,
20
response
rate
like
I've,
often
sent
emails
and
had
absolutely
no
response
or
well
used
to
those
but
I'm
trying
to
see
how?
How
many
do
you
have
to
send
to
expect
200
replies,
and
so
it's
really
good
point
I.
Think
you
made
about
getting
that
diversity
in
it.
C
E
I
mean
for
this
I
don't
have
the
hard
numbers,
but
we
can
absolutely
expect
less
than
20
on
average,
so
we
really
have
to
get
it
out
there
and
it
also
right
a
little
incentive
for
filling
out.
The
form
can
raise
those
rates,
so
yeah
give
them
give
them
something.
E
So
maybe
we
can
coordinate
that
as
one
of
the
sort
of
co-deliverables
with
section
three.
So
if
we
provide
education
around
that
some
kind
of
badge
something
they
will
have
to
do
like
an
extra
step
for
those
things,
but
I'll
think
a
little
bit
more
about
incentivizing
engagement,
because.
E
D
A
All
right
and
then
what
I'll
do
between
now
and
next
time
is
I'll
start
blowing
out
some
of
these
tasks
underneath
the
Milestones
that
we've
got
and
we
can
continue
to
add
and
tweak
those
as
we
move
forward.
Judy
yeah.
C
Diary,
my
terrible
habit
that
sentence
I'm
going
to
get
I'm
going
to
get
something
made
for
behind
me,
I'm
on
mute
at
the
end
of
all
these
difficults,
the
zinc
I
had
this
in
I
wonder:
could
we
tap
into
the
open
source
jobs
report,
critical
skills,
hiring
Trends
on
education,
that
the
openness
of
Dr,
lenus
Foundation,
published
in
June
I,
put
up
the
link
in
the
chat?
C
C
E
I
had
a
reference
yet
I
need
to,
but
I
do
wonder
if
they
have
any
information
held
back,
that
we
might
be
able
to
lean
on
so
do
we
have
a
contact
for
this.
E
E
A
All
right
and
then
The
Gap
analysis,
I'm,
not
even
gonna,
really
dig
into
that,
because
I
think
that's
pretty
far
down
the
road.
We
have
a
lot
of
stuff.
We
have
to
do
before
we
get
to
that.
So
we
can.
We
can
put
a
pin
in
that
one
and
maybe
talk
about
it
later.
E
However,
I
do
think
that
Gap
analysis
after
reading
through
this
a
little
bit
I,
would
make
an
argument
that
a
nice
deliverable
for
that
Gap
analysis
would
be
sort
of
an
addendum
to
the
Supreme
post,
so
sort
of
matching
the
style
of
research
to
this
and
making
sure
that
we
can
provide
that
insight
for
cyber
security
sector.
E
B
That
too,
is
there
a
matrix
anyway,
do
you
want
me
to
post
all
the
labs,
basically
just
on
here,
because
there
are
like
a
lot
of
labs
like
if
I
told
you
there
was
a
thousand.
There
might
probably
be
like
a
thousand
labs.
D
B
E
We
have
any
clear
exclusion
criteria
so
for
things
like
kubernetes
space,
it's
not
going
to
be
very
relevant
if
it's
more
than
2.5
years
old.
So
there's
a
lot
that
we
can
remove
another
thing:
we're
ready
to
write
down.
B
B
And
I
think
that
there's
Ricardo's
company
is
also
going
to
be
sponsoring
making
more
Labs
as
well,
so
like
there
is
more
Labs
coming,
but
I
don't
know
if
any
of
them
are
like
kubernetes
based.
Most
of
them
are
like
basic
stuff,
like
cross-site
scripting,
past
traversal
stuff,
like
that.
E
Follow
the
basics
we
can
keep
in
maybe
in
this
tab
then
on
the
spreadsheet
we
need
to
have.
Thank
you.
E
I
guess
right
now
the
Matrix
on
this
front
page
is
a
little
bit
under
defined.
We
probably
need
to
have
this
stack
labeled,
so
we
can
parse
them
by
that,
but
I
would
I
guess.
In
this
case
we
can
have
the
stack
identified
or
identify
as
generalized
cyber
security
information,
because
that
is
cross
language,
education.
C
B
A
We
want
to
continue
to
talk
about
anything
else
for
goal
1.1
right
now.
Do
we
want
to
move
on
and
look
at
some
of
the
other
goals
to
identify
dependencies
or
what
tasks
might
need
to
be
done
to
get
those
I
know
some
of
the
milestones
or
do
you
want
to
call
it
here
and
work
on
these?
The
spreadsheet
and
the
Matrix
a
little
bit.
D
D
D
C
And
just
one
the
target
audience
I
taught
no
I
thought
we
had
decided.
It
was
going
to
be
three
beginner
middle
Advanced
or
something
that.
D
F
F
B
D
F
C
B
Most
of
the
information
apart
from
David's
course
is
based
on
the
off
swap
testing
guide,
which
is
very,
very
extensive
and
the
all
swab
avas
I
think
it's
I'm
getting
familiar
with
all
the
terminology,
but
they
have
like
an
app
verification
for
web
applications
and
mobile
applications.
They're
kept
separately,
but
pretty
much.
All
of
the
information
on
SKF
is
based
off
of
those
guides.
B
B
And
let
me
also
add
that
some
of
these
guides
are
fairly
old,
so
they
have
like,
and
they
are
kept
up
to
date
like
there
are
a
lot
of
people
that
meticulously
keep
this
information
up
to
date,
which
is
why
SKF
is
kind
of
against
generating
a
bunch
of
new
information
outside
of
the
labs.
Really,
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
bring
in
external
information,
make
sense
of
it
and
then
kind
of
kind
of
put
in
like
an
Interactive
Learning
environment.
D
So
if
there's
a
way
you
would
like
to
have
this
data
tagged
or
categorized,
there's
additional
information.
We
would
need
to
collect
please
directly
at
it
or
write
me
a
long
note
or
a
comment
and
I
will
continue
to
massage
this,
but
I
would
like
us.
Maybe
we
could
spend
20
minutes
today
tomorrow
on
this
I
will
have
a
deliverable
for
the
group
on
Monday
based
off
that
feedback.
A
And
once
we
have
that
we'll
I'll
send
an
email
out
to
everyone
else
in
the
section
to
take
a
look
at
it
if
they
haven't
already
and
provide
feedback
perfect.
E
A
possibility,
but
for
this
spreadsheet,
as
we're
getting
those
Collective
responses,
some
people
are
going
to
be
nervous
about
making
the
changes.
Can
we
add
in
just
in
this
like
top
box,
a
comment
section
that
says
or
just
like
a
temporary
section
here
that
says:
hey
if
you
have
any
ongoing
thoughts
on
the
sheet
put
them
here
for
discussion.
F
F
D
F
F
A
Doing
stuff,
this
is
great,
we're
doing
stuff.
That's
always
a
good
feeling
to
be
doing
stuff
all
right,
so
I
think
we've
got
our
homework
for
the
next
day
or
so,
and
then
before
the
next
meeting,
does
anyone
else
have
anything
they'd
like
to
talk
about
before
we
wrap
this
up
for
today,.
E
A
All
right,
hey,
thank
you
very
much
everyone.
It
was
good
seeing
you
have
a
good
rest
of
the
day,
thanks
guys.