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B
A
I'm
all
right
hanging
there
trying
to
finish
this
trying
to
finish
this
workout.
You
know
get
out
this
damn
gym.
A
A
D
Hello,
hello,
yeah,
while
as
you're
joining
go
ahead
and
yourself
in
the
agenda
or
drop
the
link
again.
D
D
All
right,
I
guess
you
could
probably
go
ahead
and
get
started
any
new
friends
joining
us.
If
you
want
feel
free
to
introduce
yourself.
B
I
am
new,
I
have
never
been
to
this
meeting
before
I
am
Catherine
zarkman
I
work
for
Intel
I
was
just
kind
of
interested
to
see
what
was
going
on
in
here.
I
I,
don't
normally
join
the
the
end.
User
Group
either,
but
Crow
have
actually
mentioned
this
group
to
me
in
an
internal
meeting,
so
I
thought
I'd
come
check
it
out.
I
have
opinions,
so
I
thought
instead
of
just
running
my
mouth
about
my
opinions,
I
might
join
in
and
see
what's
going
on.
Oh
thanks.
D
Okay
and
anyone
willing
to
help
with
the
scribing
I'm.
E
D
It
I'll
do
it
all
right,
thanks
Al,
so
and
definitely
drop
any
Autumn,
any
open
items.
We
have
a
few
in
the
agenda,
but
if
you
have
anything
that
you
want
to
kind
of
jump
in
go
ahead,
thank
you
all
right.
So
open
source
Summit
was
last
week
and
wanted
to
kind
of
take
this
opportunity
to
see
if
anyone
had
any
anything,
they
wanted
to
share
any
learnings
to
share
with
the
group,
because
not
everyone
was
able
to
to
make
it.
E
I
thought
it
I
thought
OSS
n
a
was
good.
It
was
interesting.
It
was
I
just
in
terms
of
the
actual
numbers
on
the
floor
generally
security
aside,
it
was
way
more
anemic
than
usual,
which
I
think
is
generally
a
market
indicator,
but
I
did
find
what
I
found
interesting
was
I,
do
think
at
least
for
exposing
Deni
in
a
way,
that's
effective,
I,
don't
know
that
our
panel
had
the
highest
effect
in
actually
creating
actioned
outcomes.
E
However,
it
was
the
only
dni
talk
that
actually
had
people
in
the
audience,
because
I
went
to
the
Deni
track
and
there
were
consistently
three
or
four
people
in
the
entire
room
for
the
entire
track.
So
again,
I
think
that
focus
and
making
sure
that
we
communicate
up.
This
is
something
I'll
communicate
to
cncf
as
well
keeping
the
Deni
efforts
embedded
inside
of
the
track
for
the
people
who
actually
can
and
need
to
hear
it.
E
So
I
think
I'll
write
that
out
here.
Oh.
D
Thanks,
okay
I
was
starting
here,
like
maybe
just
at
least
put
something
in
there.
You
can
continue
yeah.
That
is
true.
There
was
kind
of
like
a
sense
that
there
was
not
as
many
participants
as
in
other
previous
open
source
conference.
I
know
Jay
and
myself
on
the
first
day,
and
it
was
kind
of
weird
it
was
the
day
before
everything
kick-started.
There
was
a
lightning
talk
and
we
presented,
we
had
five
minutes.
D
So
we
just
kind
of
did
a
quick
overview
of
this
particular
di
subcommittee
with
a
call
to
action,
but
literally
a
lot
of
folks
that
were
in
the
room
were
there,
because
they
had
like
a
happy
hour
going
on
so
again,
not
not
great
attendance,
but
hopefully
people
got
a
chance
to
maybe
later
on.
At
least
the
videos
are
up
there,
but
I
did
I.
Did
the
the
round
table
that
that
we
did
the
cell
that
you
kind
of
organized
and
moderated
that
was.
D
E
Yeah
I
think
my
one
request:
moving
forward,
I
I'm
also
going
to
say
generally
so
we'll
we
should
plan
a
marketing
engagement,
strategy,
marketing
and
journalism
engagement
strategy
for
the
next
one,
which
is
not
anything
more
complex
than
making
sure
that
I
reach
out
to
journalists
in
advance
to
make
sure
that,
when
we're
doing
those
interviews,
all
of
those
things
right,
because
those
conferences
are
B2B
sales
and
then,
whatever
content
that
you
can
take
to
reuse.
E
So
we
can
centralize
our
talks
advance
and
say
that
we
want
to
do
it
on
like
the
Wednesday
or
the
Thursday,
when
there's
maximum
engagement
and
have
people
come
in,
I
also
want
it
on
the
Thursday,
because
Wednesday
is
always
the
diversity.
Lunch
and
I
want
to
have
like
little
cards
out
that
let
people
know
to
come.
A
So
so
you
know
one
of
the
things
that
that
I'm,
that
I
notice
and
I
think
this
isn't.
This
is
important
as
we
continue
the
conversation.
Remember
you
know
we
have
our
our
fearless
leader
there
at
the
working
group
level
is
now
no
the
chair
of
the
tax,
so
we
have
we.
A
We
have
an
ear
when
it
comes
to
elevating
what
we
do
here
up
to
a
larger
to
a
larger,
Sig
and
I
think
this
is
important,
because
you
know
when
people
hear
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion
they
automatically
Limited
to
to
to
either
either
racial
or
gender
or
or
orientation,
and
things
of
those
natures
and,
and
sometimes
it
it
well
not
sometimes
often,
and
what
it
also
should
be
and
is
in
the
end,
it's
of
thought
as
well,
right,
culturally
or
or
you
know,
the
technology
is
not
linear
right,
some
of
this
stuff
in
the
inclusivity
of
different
thoughts,
the
diversity
of
different
thoughts
and
what
people
are
thinking
out
there
in
the
ecosystem,
one
way
or
the
other.
A
Does
this
diversity
of
thought
when
we,
if
we
can
reach
that
audience
as
well,
we
get
more
people
in
the
room,
and
then
we
say
now:
let's
wrap
that
around
environmental
conditions
right
what
environment
did
you
grow
up
in
that
that
makes
you
have
the
thoughts
that
you
have
and
then
we
can
line
that
out,
because
I
think
there'll
be
more
similarities
than
there
are
differences
if
we
just
take
it
across
those
very
those
those
verticals
and
we
start
drawing
these
horizontals
across
the
verticals
right,
I,
I,
I,
I,
I'm,
not
I,
want
to
make
sure
that
we
get
that
kind
of
messaging
out
too,
and
the
rooms
might
be
Fuller
if
we
do
that,
like
I,
think
the
reason
why
the
panel
that
you
guys,
if
you
have
no,
when
you
have
more
people
in
the
room,
I
think
it
was
so
successful
because
it
wasn't
just
you
know,
you
didn't
just
have
a
bunch
of
underrepresented
communities
sitting
there
on
the
panel
yeah,
you
had
everybody
on
the
panel
and
everybody
in
the
panel.
A
D
I
I
really
like
that
there
was
like
the
student
also
as
well,
because
she
she
kind
of
was
like
really
good
about
that
diversity
of,
like
artisticness
of
it,
was
like
a
really
good
blend.
Yeah.
E
When
her
talk
is
recorded,
everybody
has
got
to
go
watch
it
because
it
was
so
good,
but
it
was
in
the
Deni
track.
So
no
one
else
saw
it
live,
but
not
day
night.
It
was
in
that
it
was
in
the
Java
contract
anyway.
Also
lowly
attended,
but
yeah
I
think
I.
Think
I
think
it's
not
just
the
diversity
of
thought.
It
was
allowing
it
to
be
elevated
to
thought
so.
My
issue,
I,
don't
do
dni
because
I
want
to
I.
E
Do
it
because
I
have
to
because
if
I
don't
do
this
I
spend
20
of
my
time
20
of
my
work
time,
fighting
Deni
problems
that
are
counter
to
revenue,
producing
value
and
so
I
think
what
I
was
trying
to
do
in
that
panel
was
position
really
people
who
have
business
intelligence
and
to
make
sure
that
people
would
stay
in
the
room
because
they
want
to
hear
about
business
intelligence
and
that
diversity
is
a
revenue.
Asset.
Diversity
is
a
retention
asset
diversity.
E
So
I'm
curious
about
perhaps
another
panel
of
a
slightly
different
style
where
we
bring
in
I
kind
of
think,
my
next
role
for
the
the
next
EE
and
I
panel.
The
only
reason
this
worked
so
well
is
no
one
on
that
stage
worked
in
Deni,
frankly,
yeah
it.
D
Yeah
I,
like
your
thought,
about
call
to
actions,
because
another
thing
that
was
feedback
from
the
the
conference
in
general
is
the
hallway
track
and
I
know
myself.
I
met
a
lot
of
people
who
I
invited
to
yeah
come
join
the
subcommittee
and
they
showed
interest,
but
the
call
to
action
wasn't
strong
enough,
like
I,
couldn't
remember
what
the
URLs
and
all
of
those
different
things
that
I
needed
to
kind
of
get
them
to
participate,
and
so
I
just
got
the
LinkedIn
and
later
on,
tried
to
remember
to
do
things.
E
E
Very
similarly
I
think
that
those
those
physical
flyers
and
like
a
business
card
that
literally
says
here's
all
the
talks
on
Deni
and
security
that
you
cannot
miss
get
those
out
first
day
make
sure
that
people
are
engaged,
give
them
a
physical
itinerary,
that's
very
cheap
to
produce
and
make
sure
that
we
get
the
engagements
and
they
can
follow
through
on
any
of
the
calls
to
action
underneath
those
because
I
know
for
myself,
if
I
was
to
receive
that
my
follower
would
be
significantly
better
than
my
like
deranged
notes
that
I
have
to
take
from
OSS
and
try
to
follow
up
on
right,
so
I
think
physical
assets
to
promote
calls
to
action.
B
I
would
have
appreciated
that
just
for
what
it's
worth
I
was
there
I
heard
your
panel
on
hey
I'm
here
so
I
guess
I
worked,
but
I
would
have
greatly
appreciated
a
printed
card.
Okay,.
D
All
right,
okay,
the
other
thing
as
on
the
topic
of
marketing
I
know
there
was
like
a
d
e
and
I
office
hours,
the
second
one
that
happened
either
last
week
or
the
previous
week
and.
D
It
was
last
week
and
one
of
the
things
Jay,
you
said:
maybe
you
can
give
a
quick
update.
A
Yeah
we
have
one
individual
showed
up.
I
was
about
10
minutes
into
my
20
minutes
and
then
I'm
signing
off
and
then,
as
soon
as
I
said
that
one
individual
showed
up
Andres.
He
just
he
was
he
was
when
he
showed
up.
He
was
a
week
after
graduate
and
he
has
now
graduated
and
has
attended
the
best
practices
working
group
meeting.
So
a
guy
told
him
I
said:
hey,
get
involved
and
bring
your
friends.
So
hopefully
his
friends
show
up
too,
but
he
had
some
great
questions.
A
You
know
about
how
you
know
breaking
into
the
industry
how
to
how
to
navigate
what
type
of
things
he
should
be.
Looking
for,
whether
he
should
focus
on
one
thing
now
or
focus
on
the
broad
spectrum
of
things
you
know
he.
So
he
has
some
wonderful
questions.
He
got
his
questions
answered
for
the
most
part,
I
told
him.
A
I
said
you
know,
do
follow
up
and
and
do
your
own
looking
I'm,
giving
you
my
view
for
my
looking
glass
so
so
follow
up
and
do
and
do
your
own
research
there,
but
he
has
some
great
questions.
A
Hopefully
we
get
more
individuals
like
that.
Tom
I
said
you
know:
you're
graduating
you
got
some
underclassmen
that
could
benefit
from
this
stuff,
too.
Point
them
in
this
direction.
So
hopefully
next
office
hours
they'll
show
up
as
well,
but
it.
But
it's
something
that
works,
and
it's
something.
A
I
know
that
works,
because
his
questions
are
like
many
other
many
other
questions
that
we'll
probably
get
so
I
I
would
really
like
to
see
more
Outreach
to
to
the
colleges
and
universities
about
about
what
we
do
at
those
office
hours
and
and
have
them
all
come
in
I
mean
hopefully
that
hopefully,
that
happens.
I'll
begin
reaching
out
to
a
few
people.
A
I
talked
to
after
the
talk
I
gave
on
building
and
retaining
Talent,
especially
the
portion
of
it
where
I
talked
about
individuals
coming
from
other
Industries
who
are
trying
something
new
or
changing
careers
and
and
the
difficulties
that
that
lie
within
that.
But
there
is
help
there
is
support.
A
So
there's
a
couple
of
people
who
I
got
their
contacts
and
I
sat
down
with
one
person
for
over
an
hour
getting
them
plugged
in
to
the
slack
channel
to
open
this
us
up,
getting
them
get
joined
and
hell.
They
even
made
them
sign
up
for
this
for
for
this
season
as
well.
So
hopefully
they
attend
that
one
place
at
the
Christine
walk
by
and
I
was
sitting
there
sitting
with
them
going
on
their
phone
going
through
it.
So
hopefully
they
end.
B
A
They
they
end
up
joining
at
some
point,
but
you
know
the
office
hours
work
and-
and
it
was
in
it's
a
pleasure
to
do
them
so
yeah.
E
But
I,
so
the
my
real
goal
in
getting
more
people
engaged
is
to
make
that
onboarding
easier
because
right
it
takes
about
an
hour
to
get
someone
engaged
to
open
us
itself
right
now.
I
would
love
in
one
month's
time
to
have
Andreas
write
up
my
first
month,
volunteering.
You
know
open
ssf
and
to
talk
about
you
know,
meeting
you
how
they
got
set
up
the
resources
that
they
used
and
what
they
learned
and
I
think
if
it
comes
from
right.
E
If
it
comes
from
something
that's
self-similar
and
we
can
re-propagate
that
and
I'm,
also
working
on
that
with
Anova,
because
I'm
getting
her
engaged
now
in
openssf
and
making
sure
that
we
collect
the
resources
because
I'm
pretty
streamlined,
because
I
came
straight
in
from
a
corporate
infusion,
as
a
lot
of
us
did
very,
very
confusing
to
someone
who
doesn't
understand
either
open
source
and
or
the
corporate
world
as
they
intersect
in
this
in
this
space
right
and
to
know
where
they
can
be
of
value
and
to
know
that
I
think
what's
really
important
and
why
I'd
love
to
get
more
of
the
stories
of
people
just
starting
out
is
that
no
one,
not
even
experts,
provide
any
value
to
any
working
group
for
the
first
month.
E
You
should
just
sit
there
and
listen.
That
is
true,
and
people
need
to
be
comfortable.
Knowing
that
they're
showing
up
to
show
up
and
to
begin
to
understand
and
it's
a
learning
process
and
it's
a
two-way
street
I
I
think
that's
going
to
be
really
delightful.
To
get
a
couple
of
those
stories
out
over
the
next
quarter,
because
I
we
I
mean
we
just
need
more
people
who
genuinely
care
and
who
genuinely
are
engaged,
because
they
have
lived
experiences
that
they're
bringing
into
this
space
right
and
students
are
no
exception.
E
D
Is
true,
yeah,
it's
it's
interesting
because
I
asked
Jay
how
did
Andreas
kind
of
like
end
up
with
the
di
office,
hours
and
I
think
he
wasn't
too
sure.
But
it
was
interesting
that
in
the
two
that
we've
had
we've
had
people
come
in
and
ask
questions
that
are
like
how
do
I
get
started?
What
classes
should
I
take?
Where
should
I
go?
D
What
should
I
study
and
even
just
getting
more
of
those
types
of
conversations
and
people
coming
in,
as
you
said,
Market
to
those
types
of
individuals,
because
it
seems
like
they're
they're,
the
ones
dropping
into
those
office
house,
so
I
should
do
more
of
that
yeah
like
yeah,
okay
and
so
the
next
one
is
I.
Guess
it's
monthly,
but
probably
the
next
one
is
about
four
weeks
from
now
so
I
just
I
just
missed
the
the
notification
myself,
but
I'll
try
to
I'll
try
to
get
to
the
next
one.
D
D
So
in
terms
of
like
the
action
item
of
marketing
it
and
getting
it
to
the
right
organizations,
what's
sort
of
like
the
game
plan
of
just
like
sharing
it
with
the
different
universities
and
all,
should
we
start
going
through
our
Outreach
of
the
organization,
because
it's
the
next
topic
studying
Outreach
to
the
organizations
in
the
spreadsheet.
What's
the
best
way
to
sort
of
like
Get,
tackle
the
universities
that
Outreach
they'll
want
to
do.
E
Oh,
what
I
personally
am
going
to
do
is
probably
reach
out
to
one
of
them
for
this
next
month
and
offer
one
just
you
know,
classroom
talk
for
30
minutes
on
it,
come
out
with
a
recording
and
a
bunch
of
questions,
and
then
I
myself
will
then
use
that
because
that's
it,
the
you
know,
universities
and
sort
of
student
pathways
are
radically
different
in
the
US
and
the
UK.
E
So
I
can
reach
out
to
my
UK
contacts
right
now,
but
making
sure
that
I
Target
it
to
exactly
when
it
would
be
ideal
for
them
to
be
engaging
in
ossf
or
in
Linux
sound,
familiar
Foundation,
more
broadly,
I
will
I
need
to
do
that
extra
work,
but
I
think
what
we
need
to
do
is
create
a
I.
What
makes
the
most
sense
to
me
is
having
an
ossf
sponsored
blog
post.
That
specifically
covers
what
we're
doing
here
like
and
honestly
like.
E
We
need
a
link
to
Nicole
very
good
to
see
you
Nicole's
work
and,
like
the
work,
that's
been
done
here
and
say
that
this
is
the
start.
It
really
is
good
work,
that's
been
done
so
far
and
we
need
to
start
continuing
to
carry
through
by
building
out
our
community.
That's
our
stage
of
development.
We
know
that
this
is
going
to
be
sitting
and
sustained
and
very
possibly
becoming
a
much
more
substantial
thing
inside
the
Linux
Foundation.
E
We
might
not
be
able
to
say
that
in
direct
words,
but
we
can
communicate
that
and
if
we
send
that
out
through
ossf
that
goes
to
everyone
within
their
corporate
engagement
that
gets
us
corporate
Deni.
Hopefully
not
the
Deni
leads,
but
people
who
have
experience
and
then
I
want
to
propagate
that
information.
There's
like
clear
links,
change
that
a
little
bit
up.
Essentially
what
I'm
saying
is.
We
need
a
marketing
strategy
for
corporate
and
for
volunteers.
That's
different,
because
volunteers
need
to
know
about
particular
cigs
and
where
to
focus
in
okay.
D
Okay,
so
so
probably
I
can
probably
take
the
action
item
or
whoever
to
just
sort
of
draft
blog
post
that
might
actually
show
up
on
the
open,
ssf
and
then
also
I'll
get
yeah
I
got
the
openness
just
have
to
do
a
blog
post
and
and
then
a
different
one,
A
different
marketing
targeted
for
like
the
volunteers
as
well.
That's
what
I'm
hearing
so
kind
of
like
two
things.
E
Yeah
so
they're
all
volunteers,
so
essentially
the
two
personas
are
employees
and
volunteers
volunteer,
I'm,
not
going
to
call
student
volunteers
volunteer
because
the
volunteer
track.
My
communication
around
that
are
typically
people
who
are
trying
to
change
careers,
mid-career
they're,
not
typically
students,
so
they
want
to
break
into
security
after
devops.
That's
a
different
set
of
working
groups
that
you
want
to
join.
E
C
The
question
is
there
any
document,
I
guess
a
workflow
I'm
just
asking
for
the
types
of
communications
that
we
can
send
out
and
leverage
and
use
right.
C
I.
Think
your
suggestion
is
good.
Christine
I'm
just
trying
to
make
sure
that,
as
you
look
towards
developing
a
strategy
that
you
have
some
place
to
refer
to,
I
guess
for
all
of
the
options
right
and
then
can
that
possibly
get
leverage
from
trying
to
elevate
this
group
up
a
level
because
I
know
that
something
we're
still
working
on
and
I.
Don't
know
if
that
would
be
tied
to
it
with
doing
the
marketing,
but
just
just
a
list
of
options
and
workflow
just
to.
E
E
I
think
so
what
I'd
really
recommend
I
think
so,
like
Jay
and
Christine
and
you're
thinking
on
this,
like
larger
Journey,
that
we're
trying
to
take
this
so
that
it's
more
functional
as
a
unit,
so
that
we're
spending
our
time
effectively
that
sort
of
corporate
Outreach
should
really
have
that
clearly
in
mind,
we
are
trying
to
get
people
like
you
Catherine.
We
need
people
like
you
who
can
take
this
back
to
corporations
that
care
and
that
put
their
bottom
line
dollars
towards
Linux
foundation.
E
So
they
can
understand
that
there
will
be
a
revenue
impact
and
then
we
need
to
reach
out
to
General
community
members
so
that
the
revenue
cap
impact
can
be
Amplified
by
the
open
source.
Community
Linux
Foundation
is
fundamental.
Just
a
marketing
agency
I
don't
care
what
they
call
themselves.
We
have
to
be
able
to
utilize
that
marketing
to
get
specific
end
goals
around
Security
based
pni
yeah.
D
Yeah
agreed
agreed
at
the
end
of
the
day.
Like
you
say
you,
you
use
the
use,
what
you
have
in
front
of
you
and
leverage
that
for
what
we're
trying
to
do,
agree
and
and
Nicole
did
that
kind
of
answer.
Your
questions
in
terms
of
like
what
is
available
in
terms
of
to
help
with
the
workflow.
C
Yeah,
but
also
I,
think
part
of
my
question
was
making
sure
we
kind
of
have
that
reference
document
somewhere
in
our
resources,
so
that,
when
we
kind
of
have
these
discussions,
we
have
something
to
kind
of
refer
to
like
if
we're
just
putting
out
something
for
one
event:
I
guess
it's
fine,
but
I,
guess
what
I'm
hearing
is
like
in
elevated,
improved
strategy,
because
I
think
that
would
help
all
of
us
with
figuring
out.
What's
the
best
way
we
can
jump
in
and
support
in
kind
of
which
area.
Okay.
D
All
right,
yeah,
so
you're
talking
about
almost
things
like
what
is
going
back
to
our
roadmap
and
kind
of
getting
that
a
little
bit
more
crystallized
things
like
strategy
and
Mission
that
that
type
of
reference.
C
So
if
I
know
we're
in
a
committee
and
we're
putting
initiatives
trying
to
understand
that
workflow
and
what's
needed
to
kind
of
kind
of
jump
in
and
help
right,
because
we
are
out
and
trying
to
establish
ourselves
right
and
so
I
think
kind
of
making
sure
from
an
internal
standpoint
that
we
have
that
information
available
as
well
as
Associated
timelines
with
being
able
to
get
things
out
is,
is
helpful
as
we're
looking
at
kind
of
building
the
airplane
and
flight
as
we're
doing.
C
Okay
right
because
I
know
some
stuff
we
get
like
with
getting
things
set
up
on
the
repo.
You
know
we
had
probe
here,
who
could
just
type
in
and
talk
to
the
guy
right
right.
D
C
E
So
I
I
think
so
this
is
I
think
it's
really
essential
in
it.
So
this
is
why,
when
I,
when
I'm
talking
about
the
two
different
forms
of
Engagement,
that
corporate
engagement
is
really
I,
think
what
you're
asking
for
is
an
actionable
when
I
asked
so
David
wheeler
did
deliver
a
like
PowerPoint
slide
to
me.
E
What
I
would
love
so
I
I
think
reaching
out
to
our
working
groups.
I
mean
we've
all
got
documents
that
say
what
their
Rema
is,
but
I
think
reaching
out
to
them
and
saying:
can
you
define
your
audience,
for
this
would
make
a
big
big
difference,
because
there
are
specific
groups
where
you
know.
E
If
I
was
a
student,
it
would
not
be
valuable
for
me
to
go
to
some
of
those
like
supply
chain
security
meetings,
they're
just
way
out
of
scope
for
your
skill
set,
but
a
corporate
engager
needs
to
keep
those
so
I
I.
Recently,
onboarded
Comcast
onto
openssf
and
I
I
took
very
much
the
journey
that
Jay
took
with
an
individual
for
an
osbo,
so
I
think
maybe
sort
of
that
like
ospo,
leaning
and
then
individual
leaning
and
then
volunteer
leading
the
individual
corporate
those
three
personas
I
am
happy
to
start.
E
Writing
up.
I'll
start
a
Google,
doc
and
Link
it
here.
It's
basically
just
I've
got
my
working
list
of
the
working
groups
and
then
little
links
to
all
their
resources,
but
that
little
self-identifier
of
why
we
want
like
what
we're
looking
at
of
those
who
are
participating
is
usually
not
available.
D
Jay
does
this
fit
into
because
there's
this
working
group
or
sake
I'm
not
sure
what
it's
called
the
diagram
as
the
society.
It's
so
Jay
participates
in
that,
and
it's
also
heavily
marketing
involved
in
there
and
I'm
wondering
if
they
have
a
lens
for
like
this
is
a
diagram,
a
society
of
like
a
overview
of
open,
ssf
or
a
volunteer
starting
up
as
from
corporate
I'm,
wondering
if
that's
where
it
kind
of
fits.
A
You
know
what
I
don't,
so
we
have
a
whole
slide
presentation
on
the
openness
itself,
where
we
actually
go
into
it,
and
we
have
three
areas
where
we
talk
about
all
the
different
sigs
and
working
groups
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff,
but
I'm
not
terribly
sure.
In
there
we
have
an
orientation
type
of
deck
where
we,
where
we
bring
somebody
in
we,
we
sit
them
down.
We
provide
them
in
orientation.
How
do
you
get
started?
How
do
you
I?
A
Don't
think
that
we
have
anything
like
that
and
I'll
tell
you
why,
because
what
you
currently
have
to
do
versus
what
the
idea
of
what
you
should
be
doing
is
vastly
different.
For
instance,
we
see
that
with
the
risk
with
with
the
risk
security
metrics
risk
dashboards,
where
I
have
to
sign
up,
become.
C
A
The
L
sign
up
on
the
LFX.
It
generates
a
unique
Doom,
Zoom
meeting
for
you
that
you,
you
have
to
click
on,
and
that's
your
Zoom
link.
It's
not
inside
of
the
it's,
not
something
that's
inside
of
the
calendar
and
to
let
they're
left
till
open.
That's
the
stuff
tell
it
you
have
to
go
through.
You
should
be
going
through
that
to
access
any
meeting
now.
D
A
And
that,
but
but
the
problem
with
that
is,
as
that
takes
away
from
the
open
nature
of
the
openness
itself,
because
now
you
have
to
actually
sign
up
for
this
sign
up,
for
that
become
a
member
of
this
become
a
member
of
that
and
then
receive
a
a
unique
link
for
your
meeting
right.
So
so
they
have
the
so
they
have
the
the
Legacy
Way
of
just
going
on
to
the
website
clicking
on
the
GitHub
or
whatever.
A
It
is
like
that,
go
into
the
slack
and
do
nothing
so
there's
a
couple
of
different
ways
to
do
it
so
I
think
that
the
reason
why
we
don't
have
that
kind
of
orientation,
because
what
do
you
Orient
them
to
whether
you
Orient
people
to
the
the.
D
E
I'll,
actually
I
can
actually
explain
this
to
you.
This
is
partially
political,
specifically
for
openssf.
You
won't
see
this
as
much
for
things
like
cncf
or
CDN.
Any
of
these
other
sub,
not
committees,
sub
foundations.
Security
is
very
new
and
very
small,
and
there
are
ctOS
that
are
providing
Revenue
directly
to
this
sub
Foundation,
who
would
like
it
to
be
significantly
more
closed
than
other
foundations.
E
So
it
is
it's
sort
of
security
paranoia,
but
I
think
those
limits
I
think
we
have
to
I.
Think
that's
why
there
need
to
be
more
communication
around
what
are
what
are
the
meetings
that
I
particularly
would
consider
more
closed,
but
I
have
to
know
that
because
I'm
in
the
field
and
I
go
to
these
meetings
and
ones
that
are
more
open,
so
anyone
in
the
world
could
join
this
meeting
and
get
value
out
of
it.
E
I
think,
but
there
are
a
bunch
of
meetings
there
that
there
are
specific,
like
they're
not
going
to
want
you
in
that
room.
E
D
Yeah
but
I
I
would
love
to
see,
even
within
that
whole
diagram
of
like
links
of
all
of
the
different
open
ssf
projects.
Almost
like
a
an
error
which
says:
I
am
a
individual
corporate
contributor
star.
Here,
it's
like
this
is
where
you
start
you're
a
volunteer
contributor,
your
new
straight
out
of
college
start
here.
This
is
your
gentle
introduction
to
like
open
Assistant
exactly.
A
Because
that's
that's
something
that
we
can
definitely
I
well.
I
can
actually
definitely
bring
that
up
with
our
next
at
our
next
meeting,
because
I
think
that
would
be
beneficial
as
well.
I,
I,
I'll
I'll
also
say
you
know
so
Sal
you're
right
there
are
some
meetings
of
there
are
very
closed
off
and
this
one
could
be
Joy
from
anywhere.
At
that
point,
I'll
say
that
there
are
a
lot
of
individuals
that
join
these
meetings,
that
aren't
members
of
the
open
episode.
A
A
I'll
be
very
careful
when
I
use
the
term
membership,
because
I
I,
don't
I,
don't
want
to
confuse
that
with
the
with
the
the
hundred
and
was
it
hundred
and
like
seven
or
eight
members
now
or
110
members.
Now,
member
organizations
when
I
say
members
I
mean,
like
you
know,
individually
voluntary
and
actually
signing
up
to
join
the
openness
and
stuff
and
then
actually
getting
on
the
mailing
list
and
and
then
being
a
contributor
in
the
in
the
repos
and
everything.
A
A
Well,
I'll
also
added
so
I
didn't
I
said
that,
but
I
didn't
I
didn't
say
it,
but
what
the
issue
is
with
that?
No
real
issue
with
that
this
should
be
open
to
everyone.
The
only
problem
is
that
those
kids,
those
numbers,
can't
be
counted
against
like
if
we
did
have
a
metric
on
who
attends
the
meetings.
You
know
what
the
contribution
is
or
not
those
numbers
can't
be
counted.
A
We
can't
use
that
as
a
metric
which,
which
is
which
is
also
a
problem.
I,
would
say
that
there
probably
are
some
individuals
even
in
this
meeting
that
are
not
acts
that
have
not
joined
the
mailing
list
and
can
be
counted
as
numbers
according
to
no,
according
to
whatever
metrics
is
counted
as
in
terms
of
attendance,
except
for
that
that
one
attendance
sheet
that
you
might
put
your
name
on,
if
you
put
your
name,
for
instance,
I
I,
I'm,
gonna,
I'm,
gonna,
I'm,
gonna,
I'm,
gonna,
pick
on
you
Nicole.
A
A
A
Nah
I
I
know
I,
know
who
she
is
because
I
know
who
she
is.
You
understand
and
we
have
a
different
connection,
but
but
we
didn't
know
I,
it
was
like
who
is
she
what's
her
last
name
where
the
hell?
You
know
I
mean
we.
There
was
nothing.
There
was
no
attendance
sheet.
There
was
no
nothing
right
like
not
no
mailing
list,
no,
nothing
yeah.
A
E
Yeah
automatic
retention
of
engagement
will
not
be
done,
and
it
will
particularly
not
be
done
at
open
ssf,
because
in
some
of
those
meetings
you
have
security
researchers
that
come
in
and
get
information
that
they
do
not
want
to
be
known
for
giving
so
I.
E
We
don't
want
to
automate
that,
but
I
do
think
I
think
clearer,
having
clearer
calls
to
action
around
group
engagement,
so
that,
like
you,
know,
provide
your
email
if
you'd
like
to
be
involved
in
things
like
this,
instead
of
come
to
18
working
groups
until
you
find
the
right
fit
for
you
right,
but
yeah
I
think
you
know
it
would
be
interesting.
E
It
would
require
Mass
coordination
that
I
do
not
want
to
do,
but
basically
like
working
group
speed
dating
have
a
week
like
once
a
year
where
all
of
open
ssf
cigs
make
it
very
clear
that
this
is
their
intro
week
and
that
you
can
attend
anyone
that
you
want
to
and
get
an
idea,
because
I
mean
when
we're
thinking
about
all
of
openssf
and
I'm
thinking
about
all
of
the
different
cultures
and
all
of
these
different
working
groups.
E
That's
not
how
the
town
hall
works
like
it.
Doesn't
it
doesn't
teach
people
how
like
that
you're
going
to
be
in
this
room
with
this
subset
of
people,
it's
not
about
like
what
we've
gotten
done.
The
next
quarter,
it's
like
hey!
How
do
I
actually
start
providing
value
as
a
contributor
not
about
the
exports
of
past
contributors
but
yeah,
maybe
Town
Hall
could
be
better
utilized
to
that
end.
That's
true,
yeah
that.
D
Right
guys,
yeah,
so
it's
yeah!
It's
going
to
be
interesting.
How
do
you,
how
do
people
kind
of
get
entered
into
the
open
ssf?
How
do
they
end
up
being
kind
of
like
funneled
and
know
the
value,
because,
even
with
that,
we'll
be
able
to
better
elevate
for
our
own
understanding
of
the
DX?
It
can
be
elevated
too,
a
higher
level
if
people
kind
of
understand
what
each
group
is
about.
C
Well,
I
actually
think
this
might
be
a
good
activity
or
Dei,
but
I
don't
think
you
can
actually
write
it
up
yet
until
you
kind
of
know
internally
what
those
resources
are
right,
because
it
seems
there's
a
push
for
volunteers
right
and
you
want
all
volunteers,
so
I
think
it
would
be
good
to
go
with
that.
But
I
don't
think
you
have
enough
internally
corporate
wise,
so
I
think
it
could
just
be
expressed
as
something
to
add
on
to
the
listener.
B
I
have
an
observation
just
as
someone
who's
kind
of
come
into
the
journalism.
Ssf
conversation
a
little
bit
later,
I
guess
in
mid-conversation,
I
would
say
in
terms
of
its
history.
I
I
talked
to
quite
a
few
a
few
people
last
week
and
and
I've
talked
to
people.
You
know
in
the
last
several
months
since
I
started
to
try
and
familiarize
myself
with
what
things
that
the
openness
is
at
and
multiple
people
who
have
a
lot
of
Open,
Source
Community
experience
and
have
been
involved
in
opens
with
projects
and
communities.
B
You
know
decades
even
have
told
me
that,
in
the
process
of
trying
to
understand
they're
curious,
oh
okay,
there's
this
new
security,
Foundation
they're,
security-minded,
I
I'd
like
to
learn
more
right
and
they
come
in
and
they
spend
a
significant
amount
of
time.
They've
attended.
Maybe
a
town
hall
or
two
they've
dropped
into
a
meeting,
and
they
are
telling
me
they
still
don't
quite
understand
what
it
is
to
open
ssf
does
what
are
the
activities
of
these
working
groups?
What
what
is
even
the
goal?
B
You
know
this
is
you
know
people
who
were
at
open
ssf
day
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
a
little
clear
and
you
know
bright
people
and
and
I
think
that
that's
an
interesting
so
I'm
also
involved
in
marketing
and
Outreach
committee
and
that's
obviously
a
problem
to
tackle
over
there
as
well.
But
it
also,
as
you
say,
it's
a
DI
question,
because
these
are
you
know
the
people
I'm
talking
to
I'm
talking
to
them,
because
I
think
they're,
pretty
cool
and
and
they're
valuable.
B
You
know
perspectives
to
bring
it
into
an
organization
like
so.
E
Yeah
anyway,
there's
a
couple
of
there's
a
couple
of
things
that
are
important
to
understand,
see
so
it's
one
of
the
newest
Foundation
new
sub
foundations,
so
they
up
until
recently
had
a
hiring
I.
Think
of
like
three
people,
and
now
they've
got
a
little
less
than
10
across
the
board.
E
They've
just
got
a
new
GM
right
so
generally
getting
them
and
getting
them
to
self-manage
as
an
organization
is
basically
the
reason
why
I
ever
got
involved
with
open
ssf
with
the
things
through
CNC
and
we
have
a
whole
sub
Foundation
that
just
wasn't
doing
any
labor
as
far
as
I
could
tell
now.
The
issue
is
we
are
in
it:
it's
not
just
Deni
it's
security
at
large,
because
the
foundation
does
not
clear
if
you
need
to
get
information,
its
actions
or
its
successes.
E
I
cannot
get
Security
Professionals
to
bring
their
expertise
or
even
security
products
to
want
to
engage
with
openssf
because
they
are
too
vague
and
their
marketing
is
too
bad
and
yeah.
So
my
Deni
engagements
are
because
I
work
with
all
different
types
of
Nations
around
the
world
to
try
to
do
security
interventions
and
make
it
a
fair
playing
field
in
an
incredibly
aggressive
surveillance
date.
Online
I
still
have
like
secondary
influences.
E
E
Out
to
me,
their
entire
Hospital
reached
out
to
me
because
they
spent
six
months
not
being
able
to
literally
contact
anyone
to
open
ssf
and
they
wanted
to
give
them
money
so
we're
just
trying
to
get
if
there's
it's
poorly
run
and
I
know
that
this
is
recorded,
but
like
these
are
my
experiences
and
them
reaching
out
to
me
and
asking
me
how
they
can
engage
with
openssf
and
I,
say:
I,
don't
work
for
them.
E
Why
are
you
asking
because
they
can't
get
in
touch
with
anyone
at
the
at
the
actual
Foundation,
so
yeah
I
do
want
to
be
so
just
to
be
clear,
working
in
openssf
and
doing
any
labor
as
a
volunteer
in
this
space
you
are
going
to
receive
10,
or
none
of
the
support
and
engagement
that
you
would
get
from
a
sub
Foundation
like
Sans
yeah,
for
any
of
these
initiatives.
E
If
we
were
talking
about
this
and
I
was
doing
this
in
cncf,
I
would
have
two
or
three
people
from
the
foundation
saying
we'd
be
happy
to
take
on
that
blog
post.
That
sounds
like
a
great
marketing
idea:
they're,
not
here,
right
and
they're,
not
in
any
of
the
working
groups.
For
the
most
part,
it's
a
really
interesting,
politically
created
situation,
which
is
not
good
for
the
foundation
to
grow.
E
Yeah
so
yeah
I
think
that's.
Why
really?
Some
of
these
efforts
here
are
to
get
this
above
and
outside
of
one
of
the
least
active
subfoundations
in
Linux
foundation,
so
that
we
can
actually
do
real,
genuine
work
in
our
sectors
above
and
beyond.
We
all
work
generally
in
security,
but
we
all
work
mostly
in
Cloud,
so
making
this
a
cloud
Focus
for
D
and
I
think
would
be
best
move
every
time.
D
Yeah,
what
I
like
about
this
conversation?
Is
it
actually
kind
of
reinforces
again
why
we
want
to
up
level
the
Isaac
just
like
hearing
experiences
from
Catherine
about
people
willing
from
different,
like
thought,
diversity
of
thought
wanting
to
get
involved,
but
not
knowing
how
to
even
use
cells,
saying
people
wanting
to
get
involved,
but
things
are
too
vague
or
they
don't
know
where
they
can
plug
in
yeah.
D
This
is
really
good
stuff
here,
so
yeah
one
we
got
about
like
less
than
15
minutes
left
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
also
wanted
to
kind
of.
Like
start
thinking
about
is
Nicole
had
put
together.
This
really
awesome
spreadsheet,
and
so
we
wanted
to
start
thinking
about.
How
do
we
and
again
this
is
more
around
like
strategy.
D
How
do
we
like
start
reaching
out
to
these
organizations
and
start
putting
together
a
plan,
but
it
almost
it's
kind
of
like
interesting,
even
like,
as
you
think
about
that,
and
we're
going
back
to
these
questions
that
we've
been
discussing
for
the
last
30
minutes
or
so.
What
is
it
that
we
want
to
do
so?.
E
I'm
gonna
write
down
our
calls
to
action
down
here.
My
next
call
to
action
because
you
got
me
a
little
bit
riled
up
because
I'm
thinking,
wow
isn't
someone
paid
for
this
calls
you
to
action.
I
may
reach
out
to
open
ssf
Linux
marketing
about
like
so
Sal
will.
E
E
And
if
they
are
willing
to
coordinate
with
us
on
that,
because
I
again
don't
do
any
extra
labor
until
we
know
it's
going
to
be
of
value
so
I'll
reach
out
to
them
and
see
if
I
know
how
to
spell
Journeys
there
I
do
now
and
and
I
think
that's
really
going
to
open
up
an
incredible
conversation.
I
think
it's
also
going
to
be
valuable
to
go
back
to
them
and
say:
hey
look:
we've
had
in
the
past
week.
E
B
Yeah
I,
can
you
know
just
for
in
the
interest
of
transparency,
I'm
totally
going
to
bring
up
this
conversation
and
the
marketing
meetings
that
I'm
going
to
be
having
this
week?
I
guess
this
is
this
is
very
important.
I
mean
it's.
You
know
the
open
ssf
can't
be
the
best
kept
secret
in
open
source
right.
It's
this
is,
and
then
member
Outreach
is
part
of.
You
know
the
work
that
you
have
to
do-
and
this
is
this
is
a
big
part
of
it.
Yeah.
D
And
it
feels
like
that's
something
that
is
a
dependency
and
even
as
we
try
to
reach
out
to
these
organizations,
if
they,
if
we
could
be
reaching
out
to
them,
specifically
about
the
work
that
we
plan
to
do
in
this
thing.
But
I
think
it'd
be
very
helpful.
If
that
sick,
Journey
or
whatever
you
want
to
call.
It
was
well
like
framed
so
that,
even
as
these
new
partners
kind
of
come
in,
it's
very
clear
to
them
what
the
open
ssf
is
about
and
where
they
can
plug
in
to
be
effective.
E
Yeah
yeah
because
people
should
not
have
to
be
paying
to
go
to
open
ssf
day
to
get
an
idea
of
how
to
get
engaged,
and
that
is
not
the
first
time.
I've
heard
that
and
I'm
tired
of
hearing
that,
that's
you
know,
they've
got
I,
don't
know
how
big
their
budget
is
this
year,
but
they
had
like
a
5
million
dollar
marketing
budget
last
year.
E
Ssf
or
so
Linux
across
that
says,
so
you
can
usually
like
move
around
some
budgets
but
yeah.
So
right,
I
worked
with
cncf
for
years
and
years
and
I
did
security
interventions
in
cncf
and
across
a
couple
of
other
sub
foundations
and
they're.
Just
you
know
people
on
the
other
side
if
we
can
improve
that
and
communicate
that
what
we're
seeing
here
is
that
our
main
issue
and
being
able
to
do
our
volunteer
work
is
the
fact
that
the
foundation
isn't
showing
up
to
the
new
labor.
D
E
E
Yeah,
that's
fine,
so
University
engagement,
so
I
will
start
taking
on
well
I'm
gonna
reach
out
to
marketing,
see
if
they'll
take
this
on
and
then
I'll
work
with
probe
to
sort
of
identify
those
three
different
user
types
more
clearly,
because
okay
they've
got
the
best
idea
and
then,
if
we
can
take
that
on
I'd
love
to
be
able,
we
need
to
be
able
to
get
that
out.
Ideally
for
production
like
publication,
July
or
August.
D
Another
action
that
might
be
interesting,
I
think
Jay
was
talking
about
within
the
diagram
of
society
to
start
thinking
about,
like
maybe
it's
related
to
again
those
personas
but
more
like
how
do
you
onboard
these
different,
personas
and
I?
Guess
it's
related,
but
he
could
take
a
look
at
the
diagram
as
all
those
different
diagrams
and
see
if
that
can
work,
yeah.
E
All
right
so
I'm
gonna
remove
the
reference
doc
I,
think
the
more
clarity
on
roadmap
I
think
there
is
a
reasonably
good
sort
of
like
road
map
that
we've
been
working
on.
Can
we
just
that
document
to
this
roadmap
right
here?
I,
don't
know.
D
Oh
yeah,
the
last
item
I
think
we
should
kind
of
like
touch
on
and
I
know
like
from
the
last
meeting,
which
is
about
four
weeks
ago
we
had
started
trying
to
map
out
something
with
the
White
House
and
the
office
hours
that
they
were
doing
and
Nicole
I,
don't
know.
If
you
ever.
He
said
he
was
supposed
to
send
it
out,
but
I'm
not
sure
where
it
left
off.
Because
then
thank
God
things
got
a
little
crazy,
but
Nicole
did
you.
Were
you
able
to
know
anything
that
happened?
Any
update
on
that.
C
Well,
no
I
tried
to
I
made
some
suggestions
for
cutting
things
down
just
for
cutting
things
down
purpose
yeah
because
they
did
kind
of
like
a
word
limit,
yeah
and
I
know
I,
updated
it
in
the
slack
and
I
I
didn't
see.
If
anybody
else
went
over
it
and
I,
don't
know,
I
know
me
and
you
worked
on
it
and
I.
Don't
know
whether
you
were
just
waiting
for
just
another
clean
set
of
eyes
to
give
it
a
final
review,
because
I
saw
you
went
back
and
cut
some,
but.
D
C
I
can't
try
reaching
out
and
see
if
they
would
still
be
willing
to
set
something
up.
I
only
put
that
out
there,
because
at
the
Town
Halls
that
they
have
like
they
were
looking
for
people
right.
It
wasn't
enough
people
coming
and
talking
before
then
and,
like
I
said
I'm
in
they
created
like
a
LinkedIn
group,
and
when
I
tell
you
it's
like
98
Educators,
so
like.
E
C
The
only
involvement
with
this
task
would
be
for
us
to
probably
have
five
or
six
people
just
do
this
one
hour
meeting
and
just
provide
input
right.
So
it's
kind
of
quick
and
done
it's
just
setting
up
the
meeting
and
talking
so
I'll
see
where
they're
at,
but
if
not
it
could
just
be.
You
know,
Obe
with
planning,
for
you
know,
Vancouver
it
kind
of
just
overtake
us
yeah.
D
C
C
Oh
well,
this
is
a
committee
by
the
Science
and
Technology
who
are
doing
the
stem
planning
and
they
just
asked
for
organizations
to
come
and
Outreach
they've
been
pretty
open
and
and
fair
right,
so
I'm
hoping
maybe
if
we
just
ask
the
person
running
and
doing
it
can
probably
get
back
to
us
and
let
us
see
okay,
because
it
was
just
strictly
out
open
volunteering,
and
it
wanted
to
hear
from
individuals
and
organizations
who
wanted
to
set
up
speak
to
them
in
office
hours
about
things.
C
E
Link
to
that
in
that
document,
I'll
give
it
one
more
look
over
I
think
that'd
be
really
interesting.
I'm
doing
a
I
just
did
a
very
similar
sounding
panel
for
parliament
in
the
UK
and
I
would
love
to
be
on
that
panel,
because
I
just
think
it'd
be
interesting
to
see
the
difference
in
responses.
C
Sure
yeah
in
their
collection
group,
so
it's
pretty
open.
It's
it's
nothing,
they're,
looking
for
any
type
of
input
as
far
as
areas
to
look
at
and
stem
and
how
to
educate
and
increase
people
and
I
thought
it
was
a
good
opportunity
for
this
group,
because
it's
kind
of
visible
but
not
really
a
whole
lot
of
commitment
and
just
you
know
something
to
add,
to
show
us
doing
something,
since
they
have
a
very
open
format,
public
meetings
and
looking
for
input
and
when
I
just
tended
one
of
their
open,
Town
Halls.
C
D
E
It
yeah,
if
you,
if
you
drop
the
link,
I,
will
also
so
I'll
write
that
out,
particularly
a
good
thing
to
sort
of
be
aware
of
coming
out
of
ossf
or
broadly
was
that
there
was
the
CRA
and
the
discussion
around
the
CRA
and
a
bunch
of
ctOS
are
writing
up
a
response
saying
that
they
want
to
light
the
CRA
on.
D
E
The
internet
on
fire
they'll
literally
stop
the
repositories
for
an
hour
yeah.
That
was
their
response
and
I
was
like.
Let's
not
respond
that
way.
Let's
that's
a
nuclear!
Don't
do
that,
but
only
for
an
hour
to
like
test
the
CRA
compliance.
What
a
crazy
idea,
but
the
one
thing
that
is
really
really
valuable
in
the
CRA
is
they're,
like
section
4.2
all
on
education,
I'm
going
to
borrow
some
of
that
language
and
make
sure
we're
responding
directly
to
that.
E
So
it's
it's
dating
to
the
White
House
that
we
are
providing
educational
materials
are
already
aligned
with
a
directive
that
they
just
put
out
in
the
last
quarter
and
that
I
think
was
a
really
nice
way
to
sort
of
make
sure
that
they
understand
the
value
and
maybe
bring
those
two
parts
together,
because
the
Cyber
resilience
part
of
the
White
House
does
not
communicate
to
education
yet,
and
this
would
fix
that
problem
with
me.
So.
D
All
right
so
we're
at
time,
probably
next
time
we'll
have
like
a
lot
more
to
talk
about,
especially
hopefully
some
things
come
out
of,
like
planning
around
like
Pei
up
leveling
and
also
we'll
see
what
happens
with
the
white
house.
But
this
is
a
great
conversation
and
your
last
voice.
I.
E
Do
I
have
a
quick
thought
for
the
next
session
if
I
can
get
someone
from
Linux
marketing
to
join
for
20
minutes
or
so
on?
One
of
the
next
calls
do
you
think
that
would
be
valuable
to
have
a
discussion,
yeah
I,
think
that
would
be
in.
Let's
make
that
happen.