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C
A
Folks
will
give
it
just
another
minute
or
so
to
see
who
else
Pops
in
if
you
have
any
requested
items
to
talk
about
put
that
under
opens
in
our
section
leads.
If
you
could
just
give
me
a
brief
update
on
what
your
section's
been
up
to
we'll
talk
about
all
that
in
a
few
moments.
B
H
I
wanted
to
talk
to
you
crow
about
establishing
an
actual
SKF
channel
in
our
slack,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
people
like
Abhishek
who
have
asked
me
about
like
if
we
have
like
Communications
and
we
do
but
they're
all
like
back
channels.
So
we
were
wondering
if
we
could
get
like
an
actual
channel
channel.
H
G
A
A
Don't
know
I
I,
don't
have
the
power
to
do
that,
but
Khalil
and
Jory
and
everybody
had
so
yeah
just
send
the
note
and
I'll
I'll
put
my
rubber
stamp
on
it.
Perfect.
A
Maybe
College
dream
one
SKF
okay,
so
it
kind.
E
I
A
A
Let
us
begin.
Do
we
have
any
new
friends
today
that
wanted
to
introduce
themselves
to
the
group.
A
As
always,
everyone's
welcome
to
help
out.
Let
us
kick
off
our
call
with
a
whirlwind
tour
of
updates.
Let's
start
with
section
one
Dave,
you
want
to
give
us
an
update
on
what
has
been
going
on
with.
C
Section
one,
so
the
focus
of
our
our
section
is
primarily
on
getting
the
plan
finalized,
but
I
will
throw
in
a
plug
for
everyone
to.
Please
continue
to
put
more
information
to
the
spreadsheet
as
materials
are
identified.
That
may
be
useful
for
our
educational
purposes.
C
I
asked
everyone
at
last
week's
meeting
to
please
review
everything
that
we've
got
in
section
one
open
up
PRS
for
any
suggestions
for
changes.
We
want
those
no
later
than
November
23rd,
we'll
get
those
reviewed
and
merged
in
and
after
that,
myself
and
Crow
will
start
going
through
filling
in
any
gaps
and
getting
things
meshed
together
with
sections
two
and
three.
So
this
actually
sounds
coherent
when
you
presents
it
to
the
tech.
F
Yeah
so
we've
been
working
hard
to
fill
in
the
the
content
and
the
goals
I
think
we're
around
90
done
and
actually
we
have
planned
for
today
a.m
tomorrow,
a
finalization
of
it.
F
E
Yeah,
so
this
Thursday
and
Friday
are
my
full
days
without
any
other
jobs
for
a
week,
so
I
am
trying
to
go
through
this.
All
the
resources
that
we've
gotten
through
on
slack
have
been
really
really
helpful.
They
give
us
what
we
know
we
can
already
lean
on
and
that
are
already
typically
tied
to
educational
structures.
So
with
that,
my
real
hang
up
was
up
to
this
point,
defining
exactly
what
levels
we
wanted.
E
That
would
co-coordinate
across
the
different
sort
of
personas
that
we
had,
but
really
understanding
that
it
only
has
to
be
at
that
one
application
one
and
that
I
was
speaking
to
an
academic
recently,
and
they
said
if
you're
writing
an
action
plan.
The
only
thing
you
have
to
know
about
the
action
plan
is
nothing
that
you
say
will
get
down
to
the
action
plan.
We'll
get
done
the
way
you
say
it
will
so
that
has
given
me
some
peace
of
mind,
because
so
many
parts
of
part
three
are
contingent.
E
So
what
you're
going
to
see
by
the
end
of
tomorrow
is
a
basic
Matrix
at
that
top
going
through
the
layers
of
education
and
badging
for
an
appsec,
the
ones
that
do
correspond
and
that
don't
and
I'd,
like
a
review
of
that,
as
we
start
pulling
through
those
final
pieces
but
I
think
section,
three
is
pretty
much
as
far
as
it
can
be
without
a
little
bit
more
tentative
language
so
around
that
tentative
language
I'll
highlight
it
and
make
sure
we
get
some
final
responses
for
those.
E
But
again,
if
I
have
so
starting
Thursday
as
I
start
to
have
sort
of
comments,
questions
I'm,
just
gonna
have
that
dedicated
sort
of
slot
conversation
you
can
feel
free
to
fill
in
there.
Foreign.
B
G
E
What
I
want
you
to
what
I
really
want
initial
feedback
on
is
when
I
provide
that
just
base.
Matrix
I
want
everyone
to
think
about
with
their
eyes
on
it,
yeah
that
makes
sense,
probably
for
appsec,
and
we
can
follow
that
for
the
first
year.
But
would
there
be
any
contingencies
that
we'd
want
to
make
sure
that
we
had
in
place
for
a
badging
identity
for
a
different
persona,
and
as
long
as
we
have
those
we
don't
have
to
build
those
year
one,
but
we
have
the
space
for
them.
Okay,.
A
A
A
Yeah
so
I'll
try
to
reach
out
to
Cassidy
and
see
if
we
can
get
some
time
with
her
I'll
invite
everybody
into
a
call.
If
you
want
don't
feel
obligated
to
come,
but
just
to
kind
of
talk
her
through
the
plan
and
get
her
feedback
before
we
formally
we'll
formally
engage
with
them
as
we
get
rolling,
but
I
wanted
to
kind
of
get
a
sniff
test
from
somebody
that
does
this
for
a
job
as
opposed
to
people
that
pretend
yeah
all
right.
H
Randall
I
just
want
to
let
everyone
know
that
I
am
putting
in
the
linter
the
markdown
linter.
So
if
your
PR's
fail,
you
can
contact
me
and
we
could
figure
out
how
to
make
them
not
fail.
So
just
letting
you
guys
know.
A
Excellent
all
right
next
up
on
our
opens,
we
want
to
talk
about
the
glossary
content
and
style
guide.
Assuming
is
that
you
have
a
shame,
yeah.
D
So
I've
been
thinking
about
how
to
add
more
content
to
the
glossary.
Now
that
we
agreed
about
the
the
general
structure
of
it
and
I
wanted
to
consult
with
the
group
here,
what
would
be
the
best
course
of
action
to
add
more
content
to
that.
F
Oh
sorry,
I
was
also
adding
an
open
to
everything,
so
you
have
to
repeat
it.
I'm,
sorry
sure.
D
So
I
I
was
thinking
about.
Where
should
we
get
content
to
put
into
the
grocery
from?
Currently
we
have
from
a
different
sources?
D
I
guess
I
can
like
make
some
kind
of
application
to
read
more
content
in
parse
it
to
to
us,
but
I
wanted
to
consult
with
the
group.
What
would
be
the
best
yeah
place
to.
F
Do
well
one
of
the
sources
that
we
actually
also
use
a
lot
in,
for
example,
SKF
is
the
cwe
metrics
and
data
set
they
have
and
they
have
actually
multiple
different
sets.
F
So
I
think
that
would
be
a
great
location
to
actually
yeah
get
like
definitions
in
and
I
mean
most
of
the
things
you
can
actually
put
one-on-one
directly
into
the
the
Lexicon
they
Supply
Jason,
CVS
and
XML
formats
and
data
sets
so
I
think
if
we
have
like
we'll
first
analyze,
which
type
of
data
sets
that
are
interesting
to
put
in
and
then
maybe
indeed
create
a
GitHub
action
that
we
can
automate
and
pull
in
updates
from
there
easily,
but
I
think
that's
a
good
starting
point,
at
least
to
start
there,
because
it's
a
lot
of
info.
A
Are
we
ready
to
open
up
the
call
to
the
rest
of
the
foundation
seeking
their
input
so
like
do
we
have
do
we
want
things
submitted
through
a
PR.
D
That's
a
great
question:
maybe
we'd
like
to
First
Complete
our
work
on
the
style
guide.
Okay,
before.
H
I
think
that
maybe
we
would
benefit
from
an
off-site
or
like
an
ad
hoc
meeting
with
the
glossary
people,
because
I
know
that
there
are
a
lot
of
people
in
different
stages.
So
we
can
all
align
so
yeah
Daniel
Anthony's
doing
the
front
end.
Basically
so
like
the
actual
search
function
and
all
that
stuff.
So.
I
H
Yeah
yeah
well
I'll
start
with
the
SKF
Channel
and
then
we'll
go
from
there.
Okay.
A
All
right
and
and
whenever
you're
ready,
let
me
know-
and
we
can
write
up
a
short
process
and
I
will
send
the
note
out
to
the
foundation
to
get
everyone
to
take
a
look
at
it
and
start
to
figure
out
contributions.
But
I
agree.
Let's
get
our
let's
get
ourselves
in
order
and
understand
how
we
want
to
intake
things
before
we
start
getting
a
bunch
of
junk
yeah.
H
Foreign
I
think
that
there's
some
sources
like
nists
and
whatnot
that
just
should
be
in
there,
no
matter
what
like
that,
should
be
almost
like
the
foundation
of
the
knowledge.
Even
though
I
know
it's
U.S,
government
and
I
know
some
people
go
ew,
but
I
think
that
they
do
have
good
definitions
for
what
it's
worth
and
then
the
c-I-s-s
IP
I
got
that
from
one
of
your
videos.
I've.
E
J
A
A
E
Yeah
well
I
think
from
like
the
funding
point
of
view,
it's
not
going
to
be
an
issue
to
pull
on
another
Federal
funding
body
and
as
long
as
the
education
is
openly
available,
it's
also
not
an
issue
right.
So.
G
B
B
Where
is
the
list
of
resources
that
were
pulling?
Some
of
this
information
from
I
can't
seem
to
find
it
in
any
of
the
linked
material.
H
So
it's
a
combination
of
stuff
Emily
right
now,
we're
kind
of
focusing
we
were
kind
of
building
the
plan
around
the
asvs,
the
wsg
and
David
Wheeler's
course
for
year.
One
probe
also
has
a
spreadsheet
for
ingestion
of
existing
educational
material,
yeah.
H
E
H
E
This
is
the
basic
sort
of
known
security,
educational
resources
that
we
find
it's
currently
labeled
by
both
type
and
also
whether
or
not
it's
fully
open
and
in
terms
of
security
content.
That's
actually
fully
open,
definitionally,
there's
about
five
things
that
we
have
available
so.
E
C
I
I
think
I
know
the
answer
to
this,
but
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we're
on
the
same
page.
So
we
are
getting
to
the
point
where
we're
starting
to
wrap
up
the
final
draft
of
the
plan.
That's
going
to
get
presented
with
attack
is
the
intention,
once
that
is
done
for
us
to
continue
to
execute
on
these
objectives
and
Milestones
within
our
three
sections
and
yeah.
C
Well,
the
answer
to
that
is
going
to
lead
to
a
couple
other
questions
as
far
as
how
to
coordinate
planning
and
and
some
of
the
dependencies
that
that
are
involved
with
the
various
tasks
between
the
three
sectors.
A
A
We
can
continue
on
and
you
know,
meet
as
we
desire
and
continue
to
poke
at
these
issues,
poke
at
these
milestones
and
start
to
achieve
things
with
the
understanding
that
the
governing
board
may
want
to
Knack
certain
things
or
may
out
of
hand
say
we
don't
like
the
plan
start
over,
so
we
would
have
to
do
rework
or
we
could
pause
for
a
few
weeks
while
the
governing
board
reviews
and
they
figure
out
their
how
they're
going
to
fund
things.
So
it's
kind
of
you
know
two
choices
that
I
think.
A
There's
I
think
there
are
core
things
that
we
can
do
without
funding
anyway,
or
we
would
want
to
do
without
funding.
But
we
know
there
are
definitely
some
things
we
want.
We
need
money
or
people
for
so
I
I
would
leave
it
up
to
the
group.
We
can
decide
how
we
want
to
continue.
If
you
would
like
to
still
continue
to
meet,
we
can
continue
to
have
these
calls
or
we
could
pause
for
a
bit
so
table.
Go.
Give
me
your
thoughts,
foreign.
H
F
Yeah,
that's
plus
with
a
bottle
of
rum,
but
you
know
no
I
think
indeed
you
know
a
lot
of
the
things
that
are
on.
There
were
indeed
already
goals
that
we
had,
so
we
will
continue
to
build
a
good
base.
You
know
to
already
some
core
rework
on
it,
so
we
are
actually
ready
for
you
know
if
the
board
says
yes
or
when
we
had
the
ball,
so
we
we
just
keep
continuing
and
prepping
everything.
F
So
you
know
if
there
is
a
yes,
we
actually
are
sort
of
at
least
ready
in
the
starting
blocks,
to
yeah
to
continue
actually
so.
E
So
the
way
that
I'd
recommend
wording
this
as
we
submit
it
is
like
as
you've
got,
that
bleeding
work
before
funding
call
them
recommended
spikes.
So,
in
that
case,
as
we're
reaching
out
to
the
regulating
or
funding
entity,
we
inform
them
of
what
our
sort
of
triage
recommended
spikes
are
that
we're
already
starting
on
the
real
risk
reduction.
There
is,
if
they
tell
us
something
that
like
we're,
starting
on
is
something
that
they're
cutting
off.
They
should
inform
us
on
those
spikes.
Everything
else
they've
got
more
time
and
that
lets
us.
E
It
makes
us
look
like
we're
showing
initiative
when,
in
reality,
it's
a
really
nice
way
if
backlogging
Grant
work,
but
those
recommended
spikes,
I,
wouldn't
I
would
not
recommend
having
more
than
five
major
recommended
spikes,
but
highlight
those
as
things
that
are
ongoing,
that
they
can
shut
down
or
have
more
urgent
communication
around.
A
And
I
will
say
like
things
like
us:
analyzing
the
existing
content
and
identifying
gaps.
That's
something
that
is,
you
know
free,
it's
just
our
time
that
we
can
continue
to
do
that.
We
may
still
wish
to
write
additional
content
for
anyway
yeah,
so
I,
that's
a
good
suggestion.
So
any,
and
there
are
thoughts
or
comments.
A
I
had
the
pleasure
of
attending
a
all
day,
meeting
on
last
Friday
between
the
open
ssf
governing
board
and
Tac,
where
we
talked
about
some
strategic
things
for
the
foundation.
Some
budgeting
and
planning
things,
and
one
of
the
things
we
did
was
conduct
an
exercise
where
the
people
that
were
there
kind
of
talked
through
what
they
felt
some
of
the
most
important
things
they
wanted
the
foundation
to
achieve.
A
And
unsurprisingly,
education
was
one
of
those
areas.
There
was
a
thing
titled,
the
was
a
10
million
developer
uplift
David,
there's
a
section
that
basically
was
educating
and
empowering
Developers.
So
just
so
we're
aware
that
the
governing
board
is
very
interested
in
this
topic.
It
was
one
of
the
most
popular
things
where
they
kind
of
stacked,
ranked
things.
Education
was
one
of
the
most
important
things
that
they
would
like
to
help
achieve
in
the
coming
year.
A
So
I
I
feel
if
we
have
a
reasonable
plan
it
we
may
get
edits
or
suggestions
to
change,
but
I
feel
that
it's
we're
not
going
to
have
a
tough
road
ahead
of
us.
I
feel
that
something
is
going
to
get
approved,
because
the
governing
board
is
very
much
behind
that
an
education
on
all
levels
and
it's
you
know,
there's
the
tool
development
would
be
part
of
that
and
a
myriad
of
different
things,
but
I
think
our
plan
is
pretty
all-encompassing
for
what
they
were
looking
to
get
addressed.
A
Any
additional
thoughts
or
comments
on
how
we
would
like
to
proceed
so
it
sounds
like
we'll
keep
the
meetings
in
place.
I'll
have
the
operations
group
extend
the
I
originally
had
them,
ending
it
towards
the
end
of
the
year,
so
I'll
have
them,
extend
it
through
first
quarter,
and
you
know,
as
we
need
to
have
the
sub
calls
great.
If
we
don't,
if
we
have
nothing
to
talk
about,
you
know
feel
free
to
Knack
them.
E
All
right
and
again,
just
stress-inducing
reminder:
when
does
this
have
to
be
submitted.
A
There
is
no
date,
but
given
what
I
just
told
you
how
the
governing
board
feels
this
is
one
of
the
most
important
things
they
want
to
do.
Yeah
sooner
rather
than
later,
is
better.
C
A
Probe
date
is
was
December
1st
right,
yeah,
yeah
yeah,
and
this
guy
I'm
working
on
another
plan
that
I
think
will
be
a
week
or
two
ahead
of
this.
So
that'll
kind
of
prime,
the
pump
and
I'll
have
some
insights
into
how
the
process
works.
A
A
So
I'm
proposing
to
the
group
for
legibility
and
ease
of
me
kind
of
coming
through
and
cherry
picking
out
all
the
the
things
we
need.
Do
we
like
this
style
of
table
that
Randall
put
together
to
kind
of
show.
Basically,
this
is
the
this
is
the
the
bill
for
this
1.1
Milestone
and
then
each
section
will
have
something
similar
to
that
as
we
move
along.
Do
we
like
that
format.
F
H
A
H
There
you
go
and
if
you
actually
copy
the
the
the
settings
in
this
repo
vs
code
will
automatically
format
the
tables
for
you.
So
they
look
all
silky,
smooth
and.
E
A
But
is
that
okay
and
like
how
we
are
he's
leveraging
footnotes,
it
looks
nice
and
I
think
we'll
be
from
an
executive
standpoint
when
they
look
at
the
plan.
It'll
be
easily
decipherable
for
him.
E
H
It's
so
let
me
give
you
a
tip.
Let
me
give
you
actually
a
very
good
tip,
because
this
is
actually
what
unblocked
me
is.
I
put
the
plan
on
an
entirely
separate
page
and
I
started
copying
them
over
section
by
section
and
like
after
saying,
like
I'm,
I'm
good
with
this
like
this
is
final
I
got
the
next
section
and
then
like
formatted
it
all
so
that
actually
was
really
helpful.
Just
saying
nice
thank.
G
G
A
All
right,
any
any
questions
or
comments
for
the
table
proposal.
F
The
only
question
I
would
have
is
so
we
do
only
total
amount
of
hours,
we're
not
pinning
numbers
to
it
or
because
you
you
were
making
the
joke
of
hey.
Let's
grab
the
calculator,
but.
H
A
All
right
so
you'll
see
some
exciting
tableology
coming
to
a
plan
near
you,
Glenn.
F
A
I
have
not
formally
set
up
anything
like
that.
I've
informally
shared
with
the
chair
of
the
TAC
and
Brian
bellendorf,
just
to
kind
of
get
their
initial
impression
like
if
they
hated
it,
I
would
come
screaming
back
and
crying.
So,
yes,
I
think
that's
a
good
idea.
A
So,
for
example,
the
best
practices
working
group
probably
would
be
a
great
group
to
give
a
pre-read
to
so
looking
at
my
calendar,
if
I
can
get
things
converted
to
the
table
more
quickly,
I
feel
we
probably
could
do
maybe
like
December
9th,
have
send
it
out
sometime
earlier
that
week
and
then
schedule
a
call,
December
9th
to
have
kind
of
an
open
review
session.
Would
that
be
okay?
Everybody.
F
A
A
It's
not
too
late,
yet
if
you,
if
everybody
gets
their
homework
done
by
December
1st,
that
gives
me
a
very
busy
weekend.
But
that
gives
us
time
that
week
and
and
we'll
we
could
find
a
different
time.
Just
it's
really
dependent
on
how
clean
the
plan
is
and
how
much
work
I
have
to
do
to
go
through
and
you
know
fiddle
with
it.
A
A
The
changes
are
minimal
from
my
standpoint,
like
as
the
an
editor
you
know,
we
potentially
could
do
that
as
early
as
like
Tuesday,
maybe
yeah.
F
Exactly
yeah,
I
I
think
at
least
for
us.
The
idea
was
to
have
it
done
this
week,
so
that
is
at
least
from
section
two:
what
we
yeah,
because
we
also
the
focus
shifting
a
lot
because
plan
SKF
work,
other
stuff,
yeah
yeah.
So
we
really
want
to
have
this
thing
done,
and
so
our
goal
is
this
week:
I
don't
know
about
Dave
and
cell.
H
H
E
So
I
think
we've
I
think
as
leads
we've
committed
to
getting
a
draft
in
by
the
end
of
this
week.
That
gives
us
next
week
to
be
communicative.
Getting
things
pulled
together
in
a
way
that
then
they
can
be
integrated,
and
then
this
final
week
of
November
I
think
we
should
all
be
at
that.
We
should
all
be
involved
at
the
narration
stage,
making
sure
that
it
makes
sense,
because
this,
the
one
challenge
of
this
is
keeping
in
mind
how
they're
all
interrelated
to
communicate
the
value.
So
that's
going
to
be
the
challenge.
A
E
A
So
did
that
answer
your
question
Glenn
we
will
set
up
a
call
to
have
we'll
do
Sig
review.
First
then
I'll
do
a
working
group.
A
Then
we'll
send
it
out
so
I'll
I'll
figure
out
a
plow
shoot
it
out.
I'll
put
it
in
slack
I'll
figure
out
some
sketch
sometimes
and
send
proposals
out
to
everybody
to
see.
If
who
is
interested
is
available
to
help
us
review
that,
and
so
we'll
have
essentially
a
call
like
this.
Where
all
of
us
read
through
and
make
suggestions,
then
we'll
have
a
call
with
the
working
group,
which
will
be
probably
less
Hands-On.
I
wouldn't
need
to
have
everybody
anyone's
welcome,
but
I
would
definitely
need.
J
Yeah
I
can
provide
a
bit
more
contact
content
here,
I
guess
a
context
even
and
I'm
sure
I've
just
missed
the
conversations,
but
I'd
love
to
get
an
idea
of
kind
of
who
the
the
target
people
are
that
we
really
want
to
reach,
and
you
know
and
get
through
this
content,
and
particularly
on
things
that
that
I'm
always
thinking
about
is
not.
Who
are
the
people
who
are
going
to
who
are
jumping
at
the
bit
to
get
this
anyway?
J
Who
are
the
people
who
are
harder
to
reach,
and
that's
often,
you
know
where
a
lot
of
the
the
kind
of
effort
needs
to
go
into
and
then
obviously
the
the
channels
as
well
right
like
how?
How
do
we
get
to
those
people
like
what
are
the
mechanisms
to
to
promote
and
yeah
just
love
to
just
like
learn
a
bit
more
about
that
and
and
I
hope,
that's
somewhere
that
that
that
we
can
help
out
as
well.
A
If
you
take
a
look
at
section
1.3,
those
were
the
personas
that
we're
starting
to
line
up
the
content
Matrix
to
so
we're
looking
at
just
generically
higher
education
trade
school
like
boot,
camp
professionals,
people
that
are
changing
their
jobs.
We
have
primary
secondary
kit
folks,
here
in
the
states,
that's
you
know:
middle
and
high
school.
A
Looking
for
some
managers
or
software
developers,
we
will
have
something
where
we
need
to
train
trainers,
so
that's
kind
of
our
our
working
list
right
now,
so
those
are
generally
the
audience
we'll
need
to
refine
this
a
little
bit
and
then
we
will
have
Channels
with
which
the
content
gets
output.
The
two
main
channels
are
like
right
now:
David
Wheeler's,
a
secure
coding,
fundamentals,
class,
secure
development
fundamentals,
class
and
then
SKF.
A
So
we
have
like
a
traditional
course
and
then
we
have
a
Hands-On
lab
tool
and
then
we're
exploring
an
alternate
Third
Leg
of
the
pillar,
things
like
webinars
podcasts,
alternative
conference
presentations
that
type
of
stuff
alternative
content
delivery
mechanisms.
So
we
will
at
some
point
I
forget
which
part
of
the
plan
we
were
talking
about,
that
I.
E
E
E
Want
to
have
a
demonstrable
effect
and
we
need
to
be
able
to
prove
that
we
have
an
impact
on
higher
ability.
We
need
to
demonstrate
value
in
order
for
higher
ability,
so
where
Major
League
hackathons,
which
is
what
Max
is
representing
will
come
into
place,
is
that
at
the
end
stage
of
education-based
badging
and
training.
G
E
Then
need
a
select
number
of
them
to
take
on
a
final
stage
of
working
with
maintainers
and
open
source
projects
to
demonstrate
that
they
can
complete
at
least
one
security
patch
that
is
maintained
or
verified,
and
major
league
hackathons
has
a
lot
of
background
in
helping
to
put
together
that
coordination
between
maintainers
without
mentorship
experience,
but
in
desperate
need
of
new
contributors
and
we're
providing
the
end
point
to
them
of
they
don't
have
to
create
the
security
training.
E
We
provide
that
we
as
an
organization
cannot
handle
those
sort
of
like
one-on-one
sort
of
maintain
our
conversations.
But
that
puts
us
in
a
place
where
we
could.
My
end
goal
is
to
get
a
badge
where
I
know.
Not
only
does
someone
have
the
training
but
they've
put
a
patch
in
the
same
area
from
a
maintainer
who
I
trust
right.
That's
our
form
of
trust
and
verification.
At
this
stage,
okay,.
J
Very
nice,
the
bit
I
guess
the
bit
I
would
add
to
that-
is
that
we've
got
about
1500
early
career
developers
that
we're
training
to
be
open
source
contributors
every
year
at
the
moment.
So
that
is
a
great.
You
know
a
great
captive
audience
to
push
into
this.
As
a
you
know,
right
you're,
an
open
source
developer.
J
Now,
let's
get
you
the
next
steps
being
a
secure,
open
source
developer,
which,
frankly
you
know
all
of
those
should
be
going
through
if,
if
I
had
my
way
anyway-
and
you
know
a
lot
of
those
people
are
from
a
range
of
backgrounds,
University
or
otherwise-
lots
of
underrepresented
groups
in
there
as
well,
which
I
think
is
you
know
off
to
young
people-
are
the
hardest
to
to
get
into
this
kind
of
stuff.
J
And
then
particularly,
people
who
you
know
come
from
from
backgrounds
are
a
bit
more
challenging
to
get
their
their
careers
up
and
running.
G
A
Excellent,
so
what
do
we
need
to
do
to
help
you
make
that
happen
is
do
we
need
to?
There
are
changes
to
the
plan
you
feel
we
need
to
document.
Are
there.
E
So
this
is
getting
embedded
I'm,
mostly
waiting
on
a
sort
of-
and
we
can
do
this
in
discussion,
but
from
mlh
I
named
sort
of
a
one-pager
we're
going
to
be
borrowing
from
a
platform
education
that
they've
developed
around
specifically
upscaling
people
in
SRE.
So
it's
our
a
sort
of
developer
stage,
but
specialization
we're
stealing
that
sort
of
open.
E
Right,
we're
open
sourcing
that
just
template,
and
it's
going
and
embedding
it's
we're
embedding
this
in
the
badges
section
of
rewards
and
incentives,
because,
very
specifically,
in
that
space,
the
rewards
and
incentives
need
to
be
focused
more
on
the
maintainer
than
the
actual
contributor.
At
that
stage,
right
I
want
to
make
sure
they're
paid
for
training
someone
up
in
that
time.
E
So
that's
where
we
will
be
locating
it,
but
yeah,
so
I
I
would
love
to
have
a
final
session
or
either
or
a
conversation
on
slack
over
next
week
max
if
we're
doing
on
slack
that'd
be
best
because
everyone
can
be
involved
on
it
and
then
yeah
that
one
pager
is
all
I
need
to
be
able
to
put
a
tentative
plan
because
for
that
maintainer
contributor
process,
that's
definitely
year
two.
J
Yeah
that
sounds
great
I,
think
there's
there's
a
fair
bit
of
refining
to
do
in
that
which
will
shake
out
timelines
and
numbers
and
targets
and
all
the
rest
of
it
Christine
who's
on
here
as
well.
It's
got
some
first-hand
experience
with
the
SRE
program
that
that
we're
initiated
with
meta
as
well
so.
J
Go
and
slack
keep
it
open,
really
appreciate
it.
A
All
right
one
thing
that
just
popped
in
my
head:
we
have
again
the
the
three-legged
stool
idea
of
content
delivery
for
that
potpourri
leg.
A
Is
the
group
open
to
potentially
doing
something
like
a
ask
us
anything
office,
hours,
style
schedule
of
you
know
the
education
Sig
will
hold
a
meeting
once
a
quarter
where
anyone
can
come
in
and
ask
us
secure
development
stuff,
and
we
will
help
too.
We
might
not
be
able
to
fix
a
problem,
but
we
will
definitely
be
able
to
help
route
developers
to
trying
to
find
answers
that
an
interesting
idea,
Glenn.
F
Yeah,
actually,
we
also
included
that
in
the
section
two
goals.
Oh
did
you
like
that
support
I.
H
G
F
Gotta
give
us
to
have
like
a
slack
getter
and
a
Discord
as
our
channels
where
we
can
actually
help
people
with
questions
or
or
yeah.
Okay,.
A
So
do
we
do
we
want
to
officially
adopt
some
type
of
in
our
plan
that
we're
going
to
do
office
hours,
some
type
of
periodic
meet
up
or
have
a
facility
like
Discord
or
slack
open?
Absolutely
okay.
F
And
we
also
had
the
a
section
indeed
about
the
public
meetings
about
and
the
whole
education
section
so
publicly
for
everybody
to
come,
and
chip
in
and
drop
ideas
or
collaborate
stuff
like
that,
because
it
wasn't.
You
know
very
clear
if
this
type
of
meeting
would
continue
or
not.
We
just
added
it
in
the
plan
anyway,
but
yeah.
H
So
also
to
give
you
guys
a
little
bit
of
backstory
me
and
Anthony,
we
were
very
involved
with
Astro
and
at
Astro
we
grew
that
out
to
like
a
20
000,
some
odd
Community,
with
basically
a
help
Channel
where
it's
like.
If
your
JavaScript
breaks
come
here,
we'll
help
you.
So
we
were
thinking
about
a
similar
approach
of
like
hey.
If
you
wanted
to
be
secure
and
it
broke
come
here
will
help
you
which
I
know
yeah
is
a
lot
but
I
yeah.
H
A
All
right
good
call
today
any
further
topics
you
wish
to
discuss.
H
I
have
one
so
we
made
a
diagram
of
the
aesvs.
If
Anthony
you
want
to
share
your
screen,
do
you
have
it
the
Google
Drive
Link,
because
you
know
I'm
in
the
car
you.
I
G
H
H
H
G
K
K
E
But
we
understand
a
lot
of
the
constraints
with
this,
so
I
would
I
mean
at
this
stage.
Okay,
if
you
can
create
just
a
subfolder
in
section
two
that
is
like
our
architecture
folder
and
we
can.
We
can
make
this
a
verified
architecture
at
some
point
once
we've
built
it,
but
I'd
love
to
have
that
and
then
little
bullets
of
like
known
limitations,
so
that
we
do
not
lose
track
of
what
we
cannot
do
with
this
moving
forward.
So
we
don't
waste
any
time.
Yeah.
F
I
know
you
have
like
an
architectural
overview
of
it,
with
all
the
components
in
it,
and
basically
our
plan
of
approach
here
is
that
the
next
to
the
existing
old
school
database
that
we
have
currently
we're
going
to
put
neo4j
the
skg
component
next
to
it,
and
actually
with
the
data
that
we
don't
have
in
there,
we're
going
to
deprecate
API
calls
and
and
functions
to
the
mySQL
database
from
the
API,
basically
replace
them
with
the
ones
that
we
have
the
data
in
the
skg,
so
that
that
diagram
you
saw
before
that's
basically
us
first
putting
in
some
raw
data
our
cells
just
to
see
how
it
works.
F
What
the
relations
are,
the
connections,
the
nodes,
how
it
should
look
like
yeah,
so
it's
also
a
bit.
You
know,
that's
why
we
do
this
all
this
pre-work
already
to
make
sure
that
yeah,
when
we're
ready
to
go,
we
have
actually
something
working.
So
that
is
a
bit
how
we
are
in
it
now.
I
I
Yes,
yes,
yeah
I
just
want
to
show
this.
This
is
just
a
small
sample
and
you
can
see
here.
These
are
the
relationships,
and
this
is
these
are
all
the
notes,
a
lot
of
notes
and
you
can
see
the
relationship
when
you
zoom
in
just
to
show
you
you
can
see
this
and
you
can
I
mean
it's
not
going
to
show
everything,
because
it's
gonna
make
everything
super
slow
I
mean
in
the
browser,
but
yeah
everything
is.
Has
the
relationship
just
want
to
show
that
up.
H
K
But
yes,
if
this
this
is
something
I
I'm,
actually
serious.
It's
easy
to
create
a
great
graph
database,
that's
unordered,
but
a
lot
of
these
things
are
actually
ordered,
so
yeah
just
make
sure
that,
for
the
the
ordered,
things
which
are
I
think
are
most
of
them,
that
you
provide
an
ordered
return
easily.
E
You
that's
exactly
so
when
we
submit
this
grant
report
one
third
of
it
is
this
platform
and
they're
going
to
want
to
make
sure
that
we
thought
out
the
relationality
of
the
platform
before
putting
money
towards
it.
We
do
not
have
to
demonstrate
the
entire
database,
but
I
want
to
show
them
one
level
that
goes
all
the
way
down
to
all
right:
here's,
the
node
with
the
training
and
the
spokes,
potentially
for
year,
two
of
language
localization.
So
they
understand
that
that
is
where
that
would
step
into
that
architecture.
E
So
my
knowledge
I
think
that's
the
end
end
point
of
what
we
would
add
on
to
it.
So
we
only
need
to
show
that
for
one
node,
one
educational
line
but
I'd
love
to
demonstrate
that
to
them,
even
if
it's
a
mock-up,
it
will
be
a
mock-up,
but
that's
a
proof
of
concept
that
demonstrates
visually.
What
the
entire
section
2
shows
us.
H
K
Sort
of
yeah
I
I,
don't
think
it
should
be
that
hard.
But
you
know
some
sort
of
demo
of
of
why
you
know,
because
otherwise
you
can
just
put
in
a
big
markdown
file
and
I.
Don't
think
that's
what
you're
I
know!
That's
not
what
you're
looking
for,
but
it'll
be
a
lot
clearer
to
show
the
Alternatives
right.
H
We're
also
envisioned
that
this
this
API
could
be
used
for
tooling
all
sorts
of
stuff.
I
know
a
lot
of
people
use
it
right
now
for
the
foundation
of
their
security
knowledge,
so
yeah.
A
All
righty
right
any
additional
comments
or
thoughts
about
our
little
awesome.
Little
graphic
we're
looking
at.
A
I
will
see
about
updating
the
meeting
invite
to
get
the
meeting
agenda
put
in
there
shouldn't
be
a
big
task.
I
wish
everybody
a
wonderful
rest
of
your
day.
I'll
see
many
of
you
potentially
several
times
today
and
if
you
need
anything,
please
reach
out
via
slack
or
email,
we'll
all
talk
soon
enjoy
the
rest
of
your
days.
I.