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The next couple of years are going to be quite challenging. This discussion will focus on the trends in education that will improve accessibility, cost and quality.
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A
Good
morning,
good
afternoon
and
good
evening,
I'm
Rob
skiff
here
with
guests
for
a
round
table.
This
is
the
last
session
of
woodblock
2015
I'd
like
to
announce
it
we're
going
to
be
having
on
you
know
these
events
and
interviews
more
often
over
the
course
of
the
next
year
and
we'll
be
posting
them
to
our
wood
block
on
to
our
wood
block
YouTube
site
and
also
to
on
the
eclair,
know
a
website
and
blog.
So
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
Scott?
Why
don't
you
introduce
yourself
you'll
be
familiar.
B
I
am
currently
the
founder
of
the
scholar
preneur,
which
is
a
website
and
a
blog
where
and
a
podcast,
where
I
look
at
the
state
of
academia
in
the
21st
century
and
more
specifically
ways
that
academics
can
take
their
knowledge
onto
the
open
market
and
find
employment,
whether
through
creating
online
courses,
self-publishing
working
as
an
alt,
a
cat,
a
university
working
as
a
post
act,
taking
their
skills
and
applying
them
to
a
corporate
work
situation.
Essentially
dis
unbundling,
their
knowledge
and
abilities
from
a
traditional
university
setting.
C
My
name
is
Michael
Nestor
I
am
an
investigator
at
the
Hussman
institute
for
autism
in
baltimore
maryland,
and
I
also
hold
a
adjunct
assistant
professor
position
at
the
University
of
Maryland
Baltimore
County.
I'm
also
a
co-leader
of
the
neural
stem
cell
working
group
at
the
University
of
Maryland
School
of
Medicine
and
I.
D
I'm
Carol
Moore,
currently
interim
president
at
Burlington
College.
My
background
is
also
in
the
sciences.
Marine
biology
is
my
doctoral
work,
but
having
not
found
that
ideal
position
of
teaching
and
research
went
to
the
other
side
and
got
into
administration
and
I've
been
in
higher
education
for
over
40
years.
So
welcome.
A
You
received
your
masters
and
doctorate
from
ma
institutions
outside
the
US
omnis,
the
internet
and
other
forms
are
of
technology,
are
making
it
easier
for
all
people
to
participate
in
learning
communities,
no
matter
where
they
live.
How
will
this
increase
access
impact
traditional
institutions
of
Education
over
the
next
on
five
to
ten
years?
Yeah.
B
It's
an
interesting
thing,
like
you
said,
I
did
my
BA
in
America.
I
did
my
masters
in
Turkey,
and
then
I
did
my
doctorate
in
Europe
in
Hungary,
so
I
got
little
samplings
of
each
place.
The
internationalization
of
education
is
a
big
question.
It's
a
thing.
That's
already
having
a
huge
impact
on
America,
where
a
lot
of
American
Universities
desperately
wants
international
students
as
undergraduates,
because
they'll
pay,
full
tuition
and
it'll
help
the
bottom
line
a
little
bit.
B
B
If
that
were
true
in
america,
it
be
somewhere
around
the
neighborhood
of
seven
hundred
billion
dollars
or
somewhere
in,
like
a
seven
times
higher
what
it
is
now
because
Australia
has
managed
to
effectively
market
its
education
to
its
neighbors
in
Asia,
in
the
United
States
at
least,
and
also
in
Western
Europe
America
still
has
an
excellent
branding
for
education.
It's
still
the
destination
that
people
around
the
world
want
to
go
to
I've
discovered
this
firsthand
studying
in
different
places
in
both
the
Middle,
East
and
Europe.
B
So
what
this
could
mean
is
if
someone
is
educated
in
the
United
States
if
they
create
an
online
platform
for
themselves,
if
they
teach
online
as
an
adjunct,
if
they
develop
their
own
platform.
I
think
that
particular
branding
is
useful
because
kind
of,
like
now
Hollywood
movies,
they're,
not
just
marketing
to
America
but
they're
thinking
about
China.
That's
a
huge
likes
like
the
box
office
receipts
so
as
an
educator
who's
increasingly
going
online
and
if
you're
not
completely
attached
to
one
university,
provided
your
students
know
English
and
that's
becoming
a
common
thing
around
the
world.
B
Your
students
don't
exclusively
have
to
be
in
America
and
increasingly
they
could
be
from
all
around
the
world.
For
my
online
ebook,
publishing
I
have
readers
that
are
many
are
from
India
or
Australia
or
Canada.
So
I
see
this
as
a
great
opportunity
and
kind
of
having
that
branding
of
having
studied
in
the
Western
University
I
think
is
something
to
take
advantage
of
an
increasingly
online
and
think
of
your
market
of
students
that
it's
not
just
America,
but
it
can
be
increasingly
from
countries
all
over
the
world.
D
Welcome
at
this
a
little
bit
differently
more
from
an
administrative
perspective.
First
of
all,
international
students
coming
to
the
United
States
is
not
a
new
phenomenon
but,
as
as
Scott
pointed
out,
there
are
a
lot
more
colleges
getting
into
that
arena.
For
you
know
purely
financial
reasons,
but
I
see
that
there's
a
lot
of
benefits.
D
Although
there
are
a
lot
of
challenges
from
an
administrative
perspective,
it's
pretty
challenging
to
have
a
group
of
international
students,
whether
they
all
come
from
the
same
country
or
from
multiple
countries
to
bring
them
into
the
university
to
get
that
cultural
mix
going
between
American
students
and
international
students.
It's
not
as
easy
as
one
might
think.
It
ranges
everything
from
how
many
blankets
you
put
on
a
bed
in
a
residence
hall
to
you
know
how
many
rice
cookers
do
you
have
so
it
there's
a
there's.
D
A
lot
of
very
practical
issues
on
the
cultural
issues
are
huge
to
bring
those
cultures
together.
But
having
talked
about
some
of
the
challenges,
I
think
the
benefits
far
outweigh
any
of
the
of
the
challenges
mean
to
to
bring
students
from
other
cultures
into
an
American
University
and
to
have
American
students
and
and
all
of
those
different
cultures
of
other
students.
Kind
of
mix
and
mingle
is
just
enormous
too.
D
If
nothing
else
bring
better
understanding
to
the
rest
of
the
world.
You
know,
students
from
different
cultures
can
be
guided
into.
You
know
very
good
dynamics.
They
left
to
their
own
devices.
However,
that
may
not
happen,
but
if
your
purposeful,
you
can
really
bring
about
a
lot
of
world
wide
and
cultural
understanding.
A
And
you
know,
Burlington
College
has
a
bunch
of
different
programs
that
you
also
are
doing
in
other
countries
too,
so
you
know
that
it
all
higher
read
in
some
ways
is
both
engaging
in
its
local
communities
but
also
reaching
out
to
other
places
and
interacting
there
right
right.
So
you
know
it's
a
researcher
Michael
on
you
know
you're,
interacting
also
with
them,
obviously,
with
the
stem
cell
research
and
the
autism
research
that
you're
doing
you've
got
people
who
you
are
teaching
or
research
or
working
on
projects
with
from
all
over.
C
Other
aspect
that
I
think
is
going
to
be
a
bit
of
a
challenge
and
I:
don't
really
have
much
insight
into
how
maybe
Carol
does
on
being
an
administrator
I.
You
know,
I
think
that
I'm
wondering
how
are
the
funding
for
these
different
research
institutions
are
going
to
change
as
the
student
body
becomes
more
and
more
online
and
from
very
distant
geographic
location.
Much
of
how
we
fund,
at
least
in
the
sciences,
education
and
training,
is
tied
to
to
a
citizenship
and
location,
geographic
location,
so
I'm,
maybe
I'm,
not
sure
Carol.
D
I
I
think
you're
right.
It's
going
to
have
a
big
impact
on
you
know:
science,
engineering,
research
at
major
research
institutions.
It's
not
going
to
have
much
of
an
impact
on
most
of
the
colleges,
but
on
those
highly
dependent
research
institutions,
I
think
it
will,
on
the
other
hand,
I
think
there
is
a
case
to
be
made
that
science
is
no
longer
a
one
person
in
sitting
at
one
bench
anymore.
It's
always
a
you
know,
a
team
approach,
an
interdisciplinary
approach
and
I
think
with
the
technology.
D
A
In
in
that
light,
you
know
you
have
research
which
is
becoming
you
know
you
can
work
with
remote
teams.
You
can
also
outsource
a
lot
of
the
testing
that
you're
going
to
necessarily
do
to
take
advantage
of
slack
time
with
you
know
particular
expensive,
instrumentation
or
processes.
So
do
you,
let's
start
on
Michael
answering
this
question:
do
you
see
that
are
higher
red
in
the
sciences
is
going
to
become
sort
of
easier
and
cheaper
and
options
now
available
to
people
in
all
kinds
of
subjects?
A
C
That's
a
really
interesting
question
and
I
think
that
the
from
my
perspective
at
least
I
think
apprenticeship
system
is
actually
been
the
increase
in
value
unfortunately
often
times
the
things
that
we
do
in
science,
at
least
taste
in
the
traditional
model,
require
more
and
more
very
expensive
capital
pieces
of
equipment
with
expensive
laboratories
and
expensive
reagents.
My
area
of
stem
cell
research
is
a
great
example.
Most
universities
can't
handle
it
the
doing
stem
cell
research
because
of
others
expense.
C
So
I
think
that
for
undergraduate
education
we
have
to
separate
undergraduate
education
from
graduate
education,
so
for
undergraduate
education.
I,
definitely
think
that
DIY
education
will
will
rise
in
prevalence
and
it
already
is.
You
can
see
that
in
a
number
of
groups
that
do
deal
I,
think
DIY
bio
actually
was
one
of
the
first
groups,
I
heard
of
know
where
people
are
actually
doing
experimentation
al
besides
the
obvious
ethical
issues
that
may
or
may
not
be
involved
in
that
work.
C
I
think
that
that's
a
really
good
way
for
people
to
get
into
the
field
and
I'm
high
I
highly
advocate
that,
but
at
the
graduate
level
on
the
more
specialized
training,
I
still
think
that
what
you
have
is
is
you're
sort
of
cost.
You
just
sort
of
locked
out
of
the
system
unless
you're
able
to
observe
a
absorb
certain
costs,
so
I
I
can't
can't
really
give
you
a
clear
black
or
white
answer
on
that.
D
I
I
think
I
agree
with
Michael.
You
know
to
an
extent
I
think
science,
education
at
the
undergraduate
level,
really
needs
a
lot
of
attention.
We
are
not,
in
my
opinion,
educating
the
average
person
to
make
even
simple
citizen
like
decisions
at
the
voting
polls,
how
to
make
those
decisions
they
they
don't
really
understand
the
fundamentals.
You
know
what
what
is
stem
cell
research?
Why
is
it
a
controversial
issue?
D
What
about
genetic
engineering
I
mean
people,
don't
understand
the
rudiments
that
you
know
the
basic
science
there
and
I
think
we
have
a
long
way
to
go
to
get
a.
You
know
your
typical
undergraduate,
who
might
be
majoring
in
the
humanities,
to
understand
some
fundamental
principles
in
science
and
I.
Think
by
by
bringing
a
lot
of
things
together
that
you
can
only
do
online
it.
D
You
know
it's
a
whole
different
thing:
I
mean
you're,
really
talking
about
a
lot
of
hands
on
scientific
work
with
which
requires
you
know,
equipment
and
space,
and
you
know
all
kinds
of
things
on.
On
the
other
hand,
you
know
given
this
the
state
of
the
technology
these
days
it
is
so
so
available
to
at
least
get
connected
to
another
lab
in
the
virtual
world,
and
at
least
you
know
see
what's
going
on
in
other
laboratories,
and
you
know
flight,
you
know
air
traffic,
it
being
what
it
is.
You
know
it's.
D
It's
not
thought
of
as
much
of
a
big
deal
these
days,
you
know
to
put
a
graduate
student
on
a
plane
and
say
I'll
see
in
a
month
go
to
Indiana
and
learn
this
technique
and
come
back,
though
I
think
those
things
do
open
up
a
certain
level
for
for
collaboration
and
impairing
back
expenses.
You
know
you
can
send
somebody
to
Albany
to
use
their
very
high-powered
a
three-dimensional
electron
microscope
for
a
week
rather
than
buy
one
yourself,
but
but
it's
still
expensive
education,
I
I.
C
Just
want
to
add
a
little
quickly
that
yes,
I
hundred
percent
agree
with
everything
that
you
just
said.
It's
a
really
really
good
point
I,
I
should
add
to
from
the
opposite
perspective
arm.
You
know
it's
not
just
that
we
can
enhance
science,
education
for
humanities
majors,
but
actually,
you
know
being
having
an
online
presence,
can
actually
expose
scientists
to
humanities,
professors
and
humanities
subjects
which
I
think
it's
equally.
C
Output
are
more
important
as
we
move
forward
rooms
of
science,
education
at
undergraduate
level,
because
oftentimes
then
again
this
just
to
bring
it
back,
unfortunately,
being
impacted
my
own
work.
You
know
there
are
a
lot
of,
for
example,
ethical
issues
that
are
tied
up
with
things
like
genetic
engineering
and
stem
cell
research
that
really
are
only
appreciated
and
handled
at
a
high
level
by
people
with
background
that
humanities,
for
example,
philosophy
or
ethics
or
history.
D
And
just
just
to
add
on
that
is
people
think
of
science
as
something
this
absolute
and
pure,
and
you
know
those
in
the
field,
nothing
that
it's
not
on.
It
is
very
much
culturally
contextualized,
so
just
think
about
the
questions
that
get
asked
of
sight
by
scientists
in
the
u.s.
thing
about
the
the
different
questions
that
are
asked
by
different
genders
and
then
think
about.
You
know
somebody
in
Israel
or
Moscow,
asking
a
question
they're
going
to
ask
very
different
questions.
D
A
And
it's
and
it's
going
to
be
interesting-
is
the
more
courses
and
the
simulations
can
be
developed
for
classes
and
for
certificate
programs
on
it
can
potentially
democratize
the
ability
to
participate
in
to
do
it,
which
you
know
is
that
whole
notion
of
you
know
DIY
education,
so
one
Michael
we're
looking
forward
to
having
that
course
proposal
for
a
planet
of
it
sooner
rather
than
later.
I
want
to
just
a
switch
ON
switch
topics
a
little
bit
and
ask
this
so
in
the
last
session,
with
ryan
craig.
I
asked
him
this
question.
A
So
if
you
were
a
student
today
with
good
grades,
a
work
ethic,
what
kinds
of
factors
would
you
be
thinking
about
when
choosing
higher
education?
Would
you
choose
based
on
the
reputation
of
the
institution?
Would
you
choose,
based
on
the
cost,
the
amount
of
debt
to
pay
for
the
education
quality
of
instructions,
sort
of
what
are
your
thoughts
on
this
and
that's
on
in
case
you
need
to
read
it
online.
That's
question
number
five.
So,
let's
start
with,
let's
start
with
Scott,
since
the
scientists
got
to
dominate
the
last
text,.
B
B
How
did
I
say:
I,
don't
want
to
say,
I,
think
less
of
it,
but
I
don't
think
of
it
as
being
the
gateway
to
the
end,
all
I,
a
PhD,
but
any
university
education
that
the
middle
class
is
absolutely
closed
off.
If
you
do
not
have
it
because
there's
famous
examples
of
soul,
Khan,
Valley,
startup
people
who
don't
have
a
university
education
and
even
someone
who
works
at
what
would
be
perceived
as
a
traditional
blue
collar
job
can
do
well
for
themselves.
A
penny
on
the
field.
B
I
would
say
this
that
something
that's
being
really
questioned
right
now
in
higher
education
is.
Does
it
do
what
it
claims
to
do?
I
think
that
a
traditional
degree,
if
it,
if
it
is
done
in
a
perfect
world,
it
would
claim
that
number
one
it
creates.
It
gives
you
critical
thinking
skills
so
that
it
it's
part
of
the
life
of
the
mind,
so
that
you
are
an
informed
citizen.
Regardless
of
how
close
your
major
is
to
your
eventual
job,
you
have
obtained
critical
thinking,
skills
that
will
make
you
better
at
it.
B
Secondly,
it
also
would
give
you
some
sort
of
vocational
training
that
you
could
apply
to
afterwards.
Well,
there's
a
lot
of
people
questioning
that,
because
there
are
people
who
have
master's
degrees
in
cultural
studies
or
sociology
who
are
baristas
at
starbucks
and
their
training
didn't
necessarily
help
them
and
we're
seeing
this
a
lot
of
the
phd
level
as
well,
that
they
can't
find
placement
the
question
of
whether
it
kind
of
fries
a
life
of
the
mind.
B
There
are
studies
that
say:
there's
a
sizable
percentage
of
students
at
nonprofit
public
universities
at
certain
schools
up
to
thirty
or
forty
percent,
who
don't
have
major,
haven't
achieved
major
learning
outcomes
over
this
time
period.
So
it's
questionable
about
what
they
really
accomplished
at
that
time.
So
there
are
some
students
who
are
not
gaining
any
additional
critical
thinking
skills.
There
are
some
who
are
getting
a
degree
that
isn't
equipping
them
vocationally.
B
So
if
you're,
a
young
person
who
could
potentially
take
on
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
worth
of
that,
you
would
ask:
is
this
really
my
ticket
to
the
middle
class?
If
I
am
doing
this
and
if
you're
not
sure
I
would
say,
take
a
step
back,
do
what
you
can
to
at
the
very
least
don't
take
on
massive
amounts
of
deck.
If
you
can
find
a
way
to
avoid
that,
because
no
matter,
if
you're,
if
you
don't,
have
a
clear
pathway
forward
to
pay
off
150
or
200
thousand
dollars,
it's
a
major
question.
B
So
with
the
opportunities
that
are
becoming
available,
we
online
learning
community
colleges
to
be
able
to
to
take
advantage
of
that
much
lower
price
point
to
theoretically
get
the
same
amount
of
education.
That
is
what
I
would
look
at
first
and
foremost,
because
even
getting
an
Ivy,
League
education
I
think
it's
questionable
about
how
useful
that
can
be
0
for
you
over
the
long
term.
Yes,
you
are
developing
social
connections
with
elites
at
those
places.
B
But
could
you
not
do
that
if
you
were
enough,
if
you
were
able
to
hustle
enough
and
make
it
go
for
yourself
at
a
State
University
I
mean
I
would
even
argue
that
being
an
Honors
Program
at
a
state
university
or
a
private
college
could
actually
get
you
more
of
an
educational
benefit,
the
being
at
the
Ivy
League
university
in
terms
of
how
much
hands-on
education
that
you
receive.
So
that's
what
I
would
think
of
for
a
student.
B
That
I
would
just
say,
go
with
an
open
mind
and
really
question
the
conventional
wisdom,
because
I
think
the
conventional
wisdom,
a
lot
of
people
are
saying.
Well,
it's
not
really
leading
a
lot
of
people
in
a
good
place
and
there's,
I
think,
over
a
trillion
dollars
now
of
student
debt
that
cannot
be
discharged
in
bankruptcy
and,
if
that's
a
conventional
wisdom
think
well.
Maybe
I
could
spend
a
few
years
before
you
even
start
university
or
look
at
lower
cost.
C
Know
I'm
listening
and
I
I
agree,
I,
guess
from
a
heart
and
soul
sort
of
perspective
with
everything
you
just
said,
but
I'm
I'm
thinking
economically
at.
Let
me
take
a
step
back.
I
totally
agree
with
the
idea,
maybe
stepping
your
education,
the
starting
out
with
maybe
a
non-traditional
runway
into
the
education.
You
don't
necessarily
have
to
go
to
a
four-year
university.
You
can
start
with
something
like,
for
example,
of
blair,
know
or
even
a
community
college
a
distance
program.
C
Ninety-Nine
percent
of
the
country
and
I
believe
that
in
education,
that's
how
so
now
happening
come.
There's
a
there's,
a
significant
difference,
for
example,
as
a
scientist
on
the
number
of
grants
that
you
can
get
as
a
postdoctoral
fellow
coming
from
a
lab
at
a
State
University
versus
coming
from
a
lab
at
Harvard
or
MIT.
That's
a
that's
a
fact
of
the
game.
A
Sure
one
of
the
things
that
I
want
to
come
I
that
I
want
to
ask
you
and
maybe
change
the
question
slightly.
Is
that
I'm
sure
we
can
all
look
at
the
Gini
coefficients
and
the
peer-reviewed
articles
about
you
know
social
networks
and
how
they
reproduce
themselves
within
you
know
elite
institutions,
but
if
we're
talking
about
education
broadly
defined
for
a
large
number
of
people
on
you
know
the
most
people
don't
aren't
going
to
be
going
to
those
schools.
It's
just
a
fact.
A
I
actually
got
in
a
little
bit
of
an
argument
at
my
25th
college
reunion
that
from
an
all
name-drop,
just
this
once
at
Middlebury
on
and
one
of
the
things
that
my
couple
of
friends
I
said
is
that
you
know
hey
give
me
a
1.4
billion
dollar
endowment
and
2,500
students
and
I'll
charge.
You
sixty
thousand
dollars
a
year
to
go
here.
A
Of
course,
I'm
going
to
do
a
good
job
and
it's
going
to
be
an
amazing
experience
and
and
when
you
think
about
it,
you
divide
that
number
by
four
and
you
end
up
with,
let's
say
about
600
students
per
class.
Okay,
so
the
product
of
all
those
resources
is
600.
Students
and
the
resources
that
they've
been
using
are
in
the
millions
k
in
terms
of
backing
their
education.
I
mean
we
have
to
be
thinking
about
arm.
A
In
my
opinion,
a
higher
read
or
we
can
deliver
the
best
education
to
the
maximum
number
of
people
using
the
resources
that
we
have
on
the
planet
and
I
think
we
do
ourselves
a
disservice
when
we
arm
try
to
be
on
the
elite
institution
rather
than
trying
to
maximize
on
the
the
institution,
the
institutions
that
we
have
locally
and
Carol.
Do
you
want
to
say
something
also
to
this
Anderson
yeah.
D
I
I
do:
can
you
hear
me?
Cuz
I
got
well
Matt.
Okay,
so
I
can't
resist
saying
a
couple
of
things
that
are
data-driven.
One
of
them
is
that
you
know
when
we
talk
about
billions,
trillions
of
dead,
and
you
know
the
one
student
that's
got:
120
thousand
dollars
in
debt,
etc.
Those
are
the
exceptions,
those
are
large
numbers
and
when
you
break
it
down
the
reality
of
what
the
data
shows
is
that
most
students
leave
college
with
under
twenty-five
thousand
dollars
worth
of
it.
D
Okay,
that's
not
what
the
media
tells
you,
but
that's
the
truth.
It
is
also.
You
know
pretty
well
documented
that
on
average-
and
this
has
been
documented
over
at
least
the
last
ten
years-
if
not
more,
the
number
keeps
going
up
that
the
difference
between
your
earnings
as
a
high
school
graduate
versus
a
college
graduate
four-year
college
graduate
is
a
million
dollars
over
your
lifetime,
so
for
20
to
25
thousand
dollars
in
debt.
When
you
Eve,
you
make
a
million
dollars
pretty
good
return
on
investment.
D
This
third
thing
to
mention:
is
it
just
come
out?
This
study's
been
done
many
many
times,
but
a
new
one
just
came
out
pretty
well-documented
quite
nicely
that
people
with
a
college
degree
live
longer.
Now,
there's
lots
of
complicating
factors
in
that.
It's
not
a
straightforward
piece
of
data,
but
the
bottom
line
is
they
live
longer
and
on
satisfaction
surveys
with
life.
They
are
always
more
satisfied
than
high
school
graduates.
Lastly,
you
know
yeah
starting
out.
D
I
have
no
doubt
that
a
Princeton
or
Harvard
or
a
Stanford
Graduate
is
going
to
have
an
easier
time
because
of
their
family's
connections
to
get
that
first
job
and
they're
probably
going
to
make
more
money,
but
there's
recent
data
that
has
come
out
that
says,
if
you
compare,
you
know
a
high
highly
regarded.
You
know,
Tier
one
institution
with
the
average
graduate
from
a
state
college
five
to
ten
years
out.
The
salaries
are
not
that
different,
not
enough
difference
to
go.
D
You
know
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
debt
as
opposed
to
going
to
a
state
institution,
and
you
know
maybe
coming
out
with
ten
or
twenty
thousand.
That
said,
you
know
I,
think,
there's
no
doubt
either
that
the
world
we
live
in
calls
for
people
to
be
well
educated
citizens,
it's
not
enough
to
have
a
high
school
degree
and,
in
terms
of
you
know,
the
average
hit
on
the
street
go
on
to
college
I
always
tell
students,
I
interact
with
look
at
the
institution.
What
are
their
values?
D
What
is
the
fit,
and
what
are
the
opportunities
you
can?
You
know
it's
like
the
old
athletic
analogy
of,
although
I'll
use
a
science
analogy,
you
know
you
can
go
if
you're
a
pretty
top-notch
science
kid
in
a
pretty
good
high
school,
you
can
go
to
Harvard
or
maybe
you
could
go
to
you
know
the
University
of
Massachusetts.
It's
quite
a
bit
different
there
in
in
the
prestige.
But
what
are
your
opportunities
at
Harvard
versus
the
University
of
Massachusetts?
Do
you
get
to
work
in
a
research
lab
with
faculty
member?
D
Do
you
get
to
go
on
internships
that
maybe
are
paid?
Maybe
not,
but
you
get
incredible
experience
so
I,
think
to
me
when,
when
students
are
looking
for
college,
it's
really
kind
of
a
fit
and
an
opportunities
that
are
there
for
them
and
yeah
go
for
the
most
challenging
education.
You
can
get
at
the
lowest
cost,
but
make
sure
you
fit.
A
Institutional
cities
always
is
a
really
important
thing
to
deal
with
you,
no
correlation,
you're,
absolutely
correct.
Let
me
switch
to
this
next
question,
which
will
be
our
last
one,
because
I
know
it's
going
to
generate
a
lot
of
comments.
Oh
wow,
so
over
the
past
20
years
we've
seen
a
big
shift
in
the
kinds
and
types
of
academic
careers,
all
kinds
of
in
at
all
kinds
of
higher
educational
institutions.
A
So
what
do
you
think
let
the
life
of
a
typical
faculty
member
at
a
higher
at
institution
is
going
to
be
like
in
10
years,
so
this
is
calling
for
something
that
nobody
likes
to
do.
But
if
you
could,
you
know
make
a
little
bit
of
a
prediction:
what
is
the
life
of
what
is
sort
of
an
academic,
a
scholar
on
a
scholars
life
going
to
look
like
in
10
years
with
a
typical,
the
average
on
academic?
C
Think
that,
as
the
funding
and
the
budgets
for
higher
education
come
tighter
and
tighter,
no
matter
whether
in
the
humanities
or
Sciences,
the
demand
by
the
administer
administrations
help
the
funding
mission
of
the
institution
is
increase
and
the
funding
is
it
necessarily
always
going
to
come
from
a
government
source
I
think
you
will
see
more
and
more
academics
acting
like
sort
of
on
the
private
donor
model
so
come
to
my
classroom.
Take
a
tour
of
my
department.
C
Why
don't
we
name
a
wing
of
the
department
after
you
for
a
25
million
dollar
donation
to
the
University
I
think
that
model
combined
with
the
online
on
the
online
systems
that
are
already
built
to
do
that,
for
example,
Kickstarter
campaigns
IndieGoGo
these
sort
of
crowd
funding
sources
is
going
to
turn
on
the
traditional
academic
from
someone
who
spends
most
of
their
time
teaching
to
spends
equal
amount
of
time.
Fundraising.
Now
that's
what
I
know
now
it
now
you
can.
C
D
D
I
think
faculty
are
going
to
have
to
need
they're
going
to
need
to
have
to
be
more
broadly
educated,
I
mean
my
research
is
in
molluscan
blood
cells,
I
I,
don't
know
of
any
first-year
college
student
who
wants
to
know
anything
about
that,
but
they
don't
know
a
lot
about
a
lot
of
other
things,
so
I
think
in
some
ways,
you're
kind
of
going
back
to
that.
You
know.
Liberal
arts
Renaissance
faculty
member,
where
the
the
faculty
can
yeah
guide
them
in
a
particular
field,
but
also
can
pull
together.
D
Reese
is
interdisciplinary
and
feels,
and
and
coach
the
student
and
I
think
they're
going
to
be
more
focused
on
building
soft
skills,
confidence,
self-esteem,
at
least
from
the
kind
of
institutions.
You
know
that
that
I've
been
at
yeah
I
have
not
been
in
Harvard.
They
probably
don't
need
to
build
self-esteem,
but
you
know
it
might
kind
of
institution
they
do
and
and
to
really
focus
on.
You
know
getting
the
student,
the
experiences
that
that
they
need
and
in
a
sense
having
helping
them
compose
a
complete
holistic
academic
life.
D
You
know
what
do
you
do
outside
the
classroom?
What
do
you
do?
That's
going
to
help
you
build
I'll
use
the
old
fashioned
word
rolodex.
You
know
how
can
I
help
you
get
into
this
company
or
that
film
studio
or
for
internships,
so
I
I,
think
in
a
way
Michael
is,
is
ray?
Faculty
are
going
to
be
a
little
bit
more
administrative
than
than
they
are
right
now
because
they're
going
to
be
managing
a
student's
academic
career.
B
C
B
Think
tuition
is
rising
at
a
completely
unsustainable
rate
and
many
universities,
and
it
reflects
in
terms
of
data
the
housing
bubble
of
2007-2008.
So
because
of
this
I
think
tenure,
sadly,
is
going
to
die.
I
think
that's
bad,
but
I
think
it
points
in
that
direction.
With
there
are
many
PhDs
on
the
market
far
more
than
what
can
fit
and
universities,
many
I
think
will
think
well,
we
can
have
adjunct
faculty,
so
we
will
put
them
in
that
role
and
many
tenure
lines
that
I
or
not
replace
so
I.
B
Think
that's
bad,
but
I
think
that's
what
will
happen.
I
think
that
there
will
be
increasing
a
disintermediation
where
what
students
can
learn
through
online
technologies.
They
might
learn
things
that
aren't
necessarily
all
connected
to
one
university
but
can
mix
and
match
different
and
put
them
together.
B
So
the
question
is
not
whether
this
is
good
or
what
this
is
bad,
but
if
this,
if
this
is
what
happens
and
from
what
I
understand
of
Technology
and
trends
in
higher
education,
if
it
does
go
this
way
at
an
instructor,
how
can
you
flex
to
be
able
to
fit
this?
How
can
you
I
think
what
Carol
said
was
quite
accurate
of
this
Renaissance
model,
where
you
really
can't
teach
a
course
anymore?
That's
just
your
dissertation
built
up
into
a
course,
and
your
reading
list
is
your
dissertation.
B
That
makes
it
easier
for
you
as
an
instructor,
but
that's
very
specialized,
and
that's
not
going
to
appeal
to
students.
So
you
think,
how
can
I
make
my
knowledge
applicable
to
people
in
two
different
situations
and
pull
them
in
and
I
guess
be
more
student
minded
and
think?
Okay,
what
can
I
do
to
appeal
to
people
and
this
may
be
more
disintermediated
environment?
So
that's
that
that's
what
I
see
going
and
it's
a
whole
different
discussion
between
okay.
B
A
Predictions
are
incredibly
predictions
in
such
an
environment
are
incredibly
difficult.
I
got
a
tweet
right,
mom
Tiffany
craft,
that
SEIU
she's
a
higher
education
consultant.
She
said
my
prediction,
faculty
and
students
will
radicalize
to
take
back
on
the
University
or
take
back
their
own
education
arm.
You
know,
I,
think
you
know
Tiffany
might
be
on
to
something
at
many
of
our
institutions
on
who
aren't
being
a
dynamic
and
going
on
who
also
aren't
talking
with
faculty
and
really
connected
with
students.
A
So
on
Tiffany,
I
love
the
chance
to
talk
with
you
further,
because
I've
been
trying
desperately
to
get
ahold
of
of
people
from
SEIU
to
talk
with
them
about
them
about
certain
adjunct
issues.
So
send
me
an
email
and
we'll
talk
later,
listen
to
Carol
Moore,
president
of
Burlington
College.
Thank
you
very
much
for
attending
and
we
really
appreciate
it
Michael.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
coming
I
see
that
you've
got
a
whole
list
of
our.
Is
that
it
to
do
list
right
behind
you
to.
C
A
A
In
the
next
give
it
to
us
in
the
next
month
or
so,
and
let's
see
whether
we
can
get
you
connected
with
students
and
so
for
everybody
again.
Thank
you
for
tuning
into
wood
block
on.
It's
been
a
lot
of
fun
and
we
will
see
you
online
next
week
monday.
If
you
have
any
questions
for
us
that
you
want
us
to
send
to
the
panelists
or
anyone
who
was
participated
down,
you
can
tweet
them
to
add
a
player
know
or
you
can
send
them.
A
Two
questions
at
a
Plano,
calm
and
I
will
make
sure
that
they
reach
the
the
proper
person
and
also
a
big
thank
you
to
Daniel
Crompton,
our
director
of
technology
and
co-founder
of
a
player
know
for
getting
all
the
technological
pieces
set
and
without
whom
we
would
not
be
in
existence,
because
you
know
he
is
a
absolutely
amazing
pardon
to
have
so
we'll
talk
with
you
all
later.
Thank
you
very
much
and
enjoy
the
rest
of
your
day.
My.