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Agriculture and Rural Affairs Committee meeting – September 3, 2015 – Audio Stream
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A
B
B
Thank
you
just
before
I
get
into
this
I
Cesario
statements
regarding
items,
6
&
7,
since
a
public
meeting
to
consider
the
proposed
zoning
bylaw
amendments
listed
item,
6,
&
7
on
today's
agenda
for
the
items
listed
above.
Only
those
who
make
oil
submissions
today
or
written
submissions
before
the
amendments
are
adopted
may
appeal
the
matter
to
the
Ontario
Municipal
Board.
In
addition,
the
applicant
may
appeal
the
matter:
it's
the
Ontario
Municipal
Board.
B
So
item
number
1:
we
have
a
presentation
from
the
Carlton
for
each
club,
so
we're
obviously
hold
for
that
item.
Number
2
creme
room,
naming
that
the
agricultural
affairs
committee
recommend
council
approved
the
proposal
to
rename
the
Osgood
multi-use
pathway
from
Leitrim
road
to
Osgood
village
as
the
Doug
Thompson
pathway.
B
Okay,
so
some
of
you
may
or
may
not
know.
Doug
Thompson
was
a
counselor
at
the
City
of
Ottawa
for
for
a
couple
years,
I
think
I
think
I
was
I
was
born,
Doug
was
elected
and
then
I
was
elected
and
then
Doug
finally
left
so
so
we're
gonna
reward
his
time
with
with
the
naming
of
a
pathway
that
he
worked
very
hard
on.
So
on
that
I
am
Gary.
Thank
you.
B
I
remember:
three
status
update,
ie
Cultural,
Affairs,
Committee
inquiries
and
motions
for
the
period
ending
27th
of
August
2015
that
I
Cultural
Affairs
Committee
receive
this
report
for
information
received.
Item
number
four:
we
have
a
presentation
on
that.
That's
the
Ottawa,
Rural,
clean
water
program,
review
and
renewal
have
just
a
quick
presentation
on
that
item.
Number
five
is
a
street
closure
for
3128.
We
have
a
presentation
and
speaker
on
that
item,
so
hold
that's.
I've
number
six
plan
of
subdivision
and
zoning
bylaw
amendment
applications
for
1705
old,
Prescott
Road.
B
Again
we
have
a
presentation
and
then
some
some
speakers
on
that
as
well.
So
we'll
hold
that
item
item
number
seven,
comprehensive
zoning,
bylaw
2008,
two:
five:
zero
anomaly:
amendments
for
q3
2015,
the
vehicle
real
fears
committee
recommend
council,
approve
amendments
to
the
zoning
bylaw
2008,
two:
five:
zero,
as
shown
in
document
one
and
detailed
in
document
three
and
document
forth
on
the
item.
Okay,
thank
you!
So
we'll
go
back
to
and
I
know.
We
have
some
some
speakers
for
the
open
mic
session
as
well
at
the
end
of
the
regular
agenda.
C
Morning,
mr.
chair
and
as
you
can
see,
I'm
pretty
pleased
and
proud
to
have
4-h
with
us
today
to
make
their
presentation
to
the
committee
so
I'm,
looking
for
through
their
presentation
and
I,
want
to
thank
them
in
advance
because
some
of
them
they're
sad
to
leave
the
school
to
be
here
today.
So,
as
you
can
see
so
without
further
mr.
chair,
I
like
to
give
them
a
little
extra
time
if
they're
needed,
so
they
can
give
us
their
full
presentation.
Thank
you.
A
D
Thank
you
and
good
morning.
The
real
dirt
on
farming
is
a
4-h
club
for
those
of
you
who
aren't
familiar.
4-H
is
a
rural
development
program
to
develop
the
skills
of
rural
youth,
personal
development,
and
they
do
that
through
different
projects,
including
agricultural
based
and
life
skills
base,
so
that
youth
can
grow
up
to
be
good
citizens
and
participate
in
the
the
system
that
you
folks
have
in
front
of
you
this
morning.
So
that's
that's.
The
bigger
picture.
D
So
this
club
brought
together
ten
senior
members
to
become
more
informed
and
to
become
better
ambassadors
for
agriculture
in
our
community.
We
visited
a
hog
farm,
an
egg
farm,
dairy
and
cash
crop
farm,
an
organic
vegetable
farm
and
the
Ottawa
farmers
market,
and
we
also
met
with
publishers
of
the
real
dirt
on
farming,
to
discuss
social
media
and
how
it
impacts,
perceptions
and
issues
in
the
agricultural
community.
A
We
decided
to
talk
to
you
rather
than
preparing
the
principal
PowerPoint
presentation.
Our
thoughts
were
that
if
there's
more
conversation,
it'll
be
better
understood,
each
member
from
our
club
will
speak
about
who
they
are,
what
their
background
is
and
what
they've
learned
through
this
project.
I
will
be
first,
my
name
is
Michael
Sullivan
I
live
in
Cambron.
Both
my
parents
grew
up
on
farms
and
still
working
the
agriculture
industry,
which
has
helped
me
get
involved.
I've
been
a
4-h
member
for
seven
years.
A
I
found
that
going
to
school
in
Kannada
has
not,
as
many
people
are
educated
in
agriculture
as
iron.
In
this
club,
we
have
learned
how
to
talk
to
people
who
have
questions
about
agriculture
and
how
to
answer
them.
One
thing
that
I've
learned
through
this
club
is
what
a
GMO
really
is,
how
it's
created
and
why
we
use
them.
Thank
you
and.
D
I
guess
I
should
introduce
myself.
My
name
is
Jean
Sullivan
I'm
I
grew
up
on
a
farm
in
southwestern
Ontario
and
went
to
the
University
of
Guelph
where
I
met
my
husband.
We
work
in
agriculture
here
in
the
Ottawa
Valley,
providing
agronomic
advice
and
services
to
the
farmers
in
the
City
of
Ottawa
and
a
little
bit
outside
the
borders.
4-H
is
a
passion
of
mine
and
I'm
quite
excited
to
be
part
of
this
project
and
to
be
here
presenting
with
with
these
members.
E
Okay,
hi
everybody
is
that
good,
nice
and
loud
away,
so
my
name
is
Catherine
Stanton
and
I
am
a
grade.
12
student
at
our
district
high
school.
This
is
my
seventh
year
in
4h.
I
was
very
excited
to
hear
about
the
new
club
that
they
are
putting
out
in
West
Carlton
for
the
real-time
farming.
I
live
on
a
beef
and
cash
crop
farm
just
outside
packing
in,
but
a
little
closer
I
can
bring
I
find
the
agriculture
is
a
very
important
topic
for
everybody
to
know
about,
as
it
impacts
everybody
worldwide.
E
This
industry
is
not
only
just
a
business
but
a
lifestyle
that
a
lot
of
us
here
live
by,
so
we
were
proud
to
educate
others
on
what
we
do
as
a
community
for
myself
personally,
this
club
throughout
the
course
of
it
helped
me
to
spell
mess
to
my
friends
and
tell
them
the
truth
about
agriculture
and
speak
up
for
the
positive
things
agriculture
does
for
this
community
I
also
realized
throughout
this
club
that
I
wanted
to
go
into
agriculture
business.
So
that
was
a
good
positive
thing
to
come
out
of.
The
public.
E
Questions
about
swine,
poultry
and
other
aspects
of
Agriculture
I
have
the
facts
to
confidently
answer.
While
laying
hens
are
housed
in
smaller
cages
or
white
antibiotic-free
isn't
always
better?
Did
you
know
that
the
color
of
chicken's
earlobe,
the
color
of
the
egg
I,
would
like
to
continue
my
future
in
agriculture
and
the
real
dirt
on
farming?
4-H
club
has
given
me
confidence
to
speak
up
for
agriculture
and
I
am
now
a
proud
egg
advocate
because
of
it.
Thank
you.
E
This
coming
fall
be
going
to
the
University
of
Guelph,
where
I'll
be
studying
a
Bachelor
of
Science
in
agriculture
and
broadening
my
knowledge
of
Agriculture
to
even
work
through
this
I
have
joined
the
road
around
farming
club
because
I
have
grown
up
in
a
farming.
Community
vary
based
on
dairy
beef
and
cash
crop
and
I
knew
not
very
much
more
about
the
other
types
of
Derrick.
Other
types
of
farming,
such
as
swine
and
poultry.
E
When
I
was
five
years
old,
I
used
to
believe
that
the
only
type
of
farm
was
the
one
with
the
cows
on
it,
but
I
have
learned
differently
now,
one
since
I
joined
4-h
two
when
I
was
eleven
years
old
when
I
heard
about
the
real
dirt
on
farming
club.
My
main
reason
for
joining
was
because
there
was
much
of
a
controversy
in
the
media
today,
as
social
as
we
have
seen
and
I
had
not
known
how
to
answer
some
of
the
questions.
E
My
friends
asked
about
the
swine
and
poultry
industry
or
about
organic
farming,
because,
quite
frankly,
I
did
not
know
that
much
about
them.
I
only
knew
about
my
corner
of
the
world
so
by
joining
the
real
dirt
on
farming
club
I
have
been
able
to
help
myself
learn
about
these,
and
it's
been
a
great
asset
to
me
and
I
hope.
It
will
help
me
in
my
future
studies.
E
My
name
is
Adriana
Martin
and
I'm.
A
grade
11
student
I
was
taught
in
secondary
school
I
lived
on
a
cash
crop
farm
just
in
between
Cameron
and
camp.
However,
my
family
doesn't
actually
farm
the
land
ourselves
we
rent
out
most
of
it
because
of
that
I
didn't
actually
become
interested
in
agriculture
until
a
couple
years
ago,
when
I
joined
4-h,
and
that's
really
why
the
real
dirt
on
farming
Club
was
really
important
to
me,
because
it
gave
me
a
chance
to
learn
all
the
things
that
I
didn't
learn
as
a
child.
E
When,
because
we
didn't
do
anything
on
our
farm,
such
as
when
we
went
to
the
organic
farm,
we
got
to
see
the
difficulties
they
had,
such
as
keeping
the
weeds
down,
since
they
can't
actually
spray
them
and
also
how
they
garner
interest
from
consumers.
They
have
to
grow
unusual,
vegetables
and
interesting
vegetables
and
always
keep
up
with
the
market
and
seeing
these
difficulties
that
other
people
had
is
really
in
since
I
never
thought
about
that
before,
and
it
was
interesting
to
see
what
other
people
are
doing
with
their
lives.
A
F
So
hello,
my
name
is
Michael
cousins
and
I
live
on
a
cash
crop
farm
in
kin.
Bern
Ontario
agriculture
is
important
to
me,
because
I've
grown
up
on
a
farm
and
I've
been
in
4h
for
six
years
now
and
I've
always
loved
learning
about
agriculture
and
how
to
make
it
better
for
the
future.
My
favorite
about
my
favorite
part
about
a
club.
The
real
dirt
on
family
is
that
we
have
a
chance
to
visit
the
places
we
couldn't
see
with
a
larger
group.
F
My
favorite
experience
with
this
club
was
when
we
visited
a
laying
hen
operation
and
we
got
to
walk
through
the
whole
press,
the
whole
process
from
the
chicken
to
when
it's
loaded
onto
the
truck.
It
was
a
great
experience
and
I
hope
to
do
it
again.
Next
year,
hello,
my
name
is
devin
deen.
I
am
from
a
dairy
farm
just
outside
of
Ottawa.
We
are
self-sufficient
lamb,
milks,
roughly
60
head
O'connell
I've
been
involved
in
4h
program
for
roughly
seven
years
in
these
seven
years,
I've
been
in
numerous
clubs
ranging
anything
from
dairy
to
barn.
F
Quilting
I
have
joined
the
real
dirt
on
farming
club
because
I
feel
the
need
to
get
the
truth
out
about
farming
out
to
the
public
and
dispel
rumors
and
myths
spread
by
the
media.
One
of
the
main
topics
we
focused
on
this
year
was
yay
was
the
idea
of
what
does
organic
farming
really
mean?
To
answer
this
question,
we
visited
the
land
stone
farmers
market
to
get
the
real
dirt
on
organic
farming.
We
thought
too
many
people
with
a
wide
range
of
opinions
about
organic
farming.
F
D
D
4-H
is
based
on
learn
to
do
by
doing
so.
We,
as
leaders
pumped
sometimes
have
to
learn
to
do
by
doing
too
and
follow
the
same
regimen
that
we
want
the
the
youth
to
be
able
to
do
so.
Leah's
gonna
give
her
a
background
on
where
she
comes
from
as
well.
Good
morning
my
name
is
Leah
Richardson
Dean
I
actually
grew
up
on
a
very
small
hobby
farm
in
Renfrew
County,
but
that
is
where
I
was
introduced
to
the
4-h
program.
D
I
was
so
impressed
with
the
people
that
I
met
and
the
things
that
I
learned
through
that
program
that,
when
I
returned
home
after
graduating
from
the
University
of
Guelph,
I
decided
I
wanted
to
be
able
to
help
the
young
people
in
our
community
to
have
those
same
opportunities.
So
I
became
a
4h
leader.
At
the
same
time,
I
began
my
career
at
the.
D
What
is
now
known
as
the
Canadian
Food
Inspection,
Agency
and
I
married
into
a
sixth
generation
dairy
farm
in
West,
Carlton
I'm,
always
very
impressed
and
actually
enjoy,
having
conversations
with
my
colleagues
at
work
who,
although
they
have
many
degrees
and
many
scientific
disciplines,
are
always
really
eager
to
actually
learn
more
about
where
their
food
comes
from.
So
that's
part
of
my
job
I
really
do
enjoy
when
gene
from
proposed
having
this
club
this
year,
I
jumped
at
the
opportunity
to
be
involved.
I'm
really
proud
of
the
group
we
have
here
today.
D
The
knowledge
and
the
experience
that
they
hold
collectively
is
truly
amazing.
At
such
a
young
age,
it's
been
a
lot
of
fun
to
watch
them
number
one
realize
how
much
knowledge
they
have
and
number
two
learn
the
skills
to
be
able
to
promote
that
knowledge
amongst
their
friends
and
people
at
school
and
such
so.
It's
been
a
lot
of
fun
and
I've
learned
a
lot
too.
Thank
you.
D
This
is
our
achievement
program.
Part
of
wrapping
up
a
4-h
club
is
the
the
4-h
members
have
to
show
off
to
the
public
or
to
a
group
of
people.
The
things
they've
learned,
so
that's
when
you
go
to
a
local,
fair
and
you
see
kids
traipsing
around
the
ring
with
calves.
That's
their
achievement
program.
This
is
how
we
chose
to
do
our
achievement
program
to
share
with
others
what
we've
learned.
So
thank
you
for
providing
the
opportunity,
and
not
only
did
we
get
to
share
with
you.
What
we've
learned.
D
We've
learned
a
lot
about
the
political
system
at
the
the
municipal
level
and
just
been
able
to
be
involved
so
someday.
When
people
have
to
come
and
sit
before
our
committee,
they
have
a
sense
of
what
that
might
be
like
and
I'll
leave
you
with
a
challenge.
We've
got
some
of
these
books
that
just
provide
some
some
basic
facts
in
everyday
language
to
to
think
about.
It's,
not
a
propaganda
tool,
because
there's
lots
of
that
out
there,
but
I
guess
I
would
challenge
you.
D
G
I
guess
perhaps
not
so
much
a
question,
but
a
comment
I,
you
know.
Congratulations.
The
presentations
I
was
whispered
over
Allen
every
one
of
the
the
presentations
very
well-spoken
articulate
clearly
passionate,
perhaps
a
little
bit
nervous
without
they
need
to
be,
and
it
really
is
a
very
positive
sign
for
not
just
the
future
of
farming
but
the
future
of
our
society
overall.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
coming
and
I
hope.
G
So
it's
a
big
deal,
I'm
going
to
figure
out
how
to
say
it
better,
but
I
hope,
you'll,
I,
hope,
they'll,
stick
around
and
learn
about
that
program,
because
there's
some
really
cool
things
that
some
farmers
are
doing
to
save
money
and
protect
the
environment
at
the
same
time
and
we've
got
some
cash
to
help
with
that.
So
thank
you
again
for
your
presentation.
H
You
mr.
chair
and
I
just
wanna,
thank
you
for
being
here
today.
I'm
taking
the
time
off
from
the
school
I
know,
I'm
I'm
really
I
could
see
the
leadership
that,
before
they
ship
into
our
community,
especially
agricultural
community
and
I,
see
your
participation
in
affairs
at
the
flowering
range
and
all
the
funny
market.
Without
your
participation
and
education,
two
other
that
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
spread
in
the
agriculture
agriculture
way.
Also,
my
experience
where
the
4-h
my
scene
is
like
you
is
a
great
11.
H
You
go
to
someone
high
school
and
he
volunteered
during
the
Christmas
time
at
a
farm
that
they
they
plant
the
Christmas
trees
and
they
do
some
climbing
and
Osgood
Ward
and
he's
been
his
friend.
Also
their
farmer.
So
they've
been
talking
with
him
and
he's
been
interested
in
the
4-h,
and
it's
not
this
year
is
gonna,
be
at
the
far
mecca
for
working
with
the
4-h
group
to
see
it
to
help
them.
So
I
want
to
thank
this
leadership
to
bring
about
community
and
bringing
the
education
to
our
kids.
Thank
you
for
ninja.
B
C
You
know
the
awards,
it
seems
more
more
kids
showing
up
so
I
think
we
have
and
I
know
I
electric
nice
to
of
the
leader
here.
I
know:
Linda
mcquaig
didn't
speak
and
captain
Q
I
hope
I
present
your
name
properly,
both
the
sauce
with
the
4-h.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
know
I,
know,
I,
know
you
from
King
Bernie
worked
so
hard
with
these
kids
for
many
years.
I,
don't
think
I've
ever
been
in
event,
4-h,
you
and
Anna.
C
B
Thanks
again,
certainly
I
know
I
know,
Kenji
is
very
passionate
about
West,
Carlton
March
and
usually
it's
it's
referred
to
as
the
real
Goulburn
of
the
north.
So
it's
which
is,
which
is
a
very
term
of
endearment,
because
of
how
much
better
redeliver
is
so.
Thank
you
again
for
the
presentation.
I
was
really
educational.
Actually
have
this
exact
thing
sitting
on
my
desk,
that's
Dan
Sam
my
office.
All
right,
so
I've
received
a
presentation
receipt.
Thank
you.
So
we're
gonna
move
to
item
number
for
the
council.
B
I
Thank
you
very
much
for
that.
These
two
programs
do
intertwine
in
especially
when
I
look
at
the
2014
program.
Achievements.
That
is
an
attachment
to
this
report.
You
can
see
the
inter-linkages
and
the
commitment
that
of
the
program
as
it's
delivered
between
the
agricultural
business
and
the
environmental
business
and
how
perfectly
intertwined
and
important
they
are
one
to
the
other.
This
program
has
been
around
since
2000
and
has
been
very
successful
in
that
period.
I
The
city
has
provided
some
1.8
million
dollars
in
funding
over
that
period,
which
is
a
very
significant
portion,
but
the
really
most,
what
I
find
particularly
attractive
about
this
is,
in
doing
so,
we've
been
able
to
leverage
and
add
to
some
8.4
million
dollars
in
commitment
that
are
being
made
by
the
agricultural
community
and
the
farmers
themselves.
So
in
terms
of
seed
relationship,
it's
a
very
strong
and
powerful
instrument,
apparently
and
is
working
hard
to
achieve
a
lot
of
the
goals
that
the
program
set
out.
This
is
the
second
such
program
review.
I
I
I've
got
with
me
here:
Julia
Robbins
Robinson
from
our
environmental
programs
group
she's,
going
to
take
us
through
the
review
that
was
carried
out
over
the
over
the
summer
and
some
of
the
changes
in
adaptation
that
the
program
will
propose
to
go
forward
with
in
the
next
term.
Also
I
would
like
to
point
out
that
we
have
representation.
I
This
is
a
group
that-
or
this
is
a
program
that
we
rely
heavily
on
the
conservation
authorities
to
partner
with
in
the
delivery,
and
we
do
have
representation
here
from
the
South
nation
region,
Conservation
Authority,
who
is
the
program
delivery
agent
and
also
with
the
Rideau
Valley
Conservation
Authority
unable
to
join
us,
though,
is
the
Mississippi
Valley
Conservation
Authority,
but
they
are.
They
too
are
very
important
part
of
this
program.
I
Delivery,
anyways,
I,
think
this
is
a
very
successful
program
that
has
continues
to
make
strong
advances
and
contributions
to
both
the
environment
into
our
Agri
business.
Here
in
the
City
of
Ottawa
and
I'll.
Let
Julia
take
it
from
here
and
sort
of
talk
about
that
program.
Review
the
learnings
that
we've
had
and
the
adaptation
that
will
we're
proposing,
go
forward
in
the
next
through
the
next
term
of
council
Thank.
J
H
J
So
today's
presentation
will
be
about
10
to
15
minutes
and,
as
Dixon
mentioned,
it
will
walk
through
an
overview
of
the
Ottawa
rural
communes
program.
Summarize
some
of
the
key
findings
and
then
move
on
to
the
proposed
program
for
the
next
five
years
and
then
afterwards
I'd
be
pleased
to
answer
any
questions
about
the
report.
J
So
the
Ottawa
rural
Clean,
Water
Grants
Program
other
than
being
a
mouthful
and
will
take
your
suggestion
for
a
revised
name
into
consideration.
It
provides
cost
share
grants
to
rural
landowners
for
projects
on
their
property
that
protect
water
quality.
So
the
this
five-year
program
has
been
delivered,
as
Dixon
mentioned,
in
partnership
with
our
three
conservation
authorities
and
also
with
the
Ontario
soil
and
crop
Improvement
Association.
J
It
is
administered
through
a
special
of
a
to
south
nation
conservation
at
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
per
year
for
those
five
years.
The
program
is
also
guided
by
an
external
program
committee
and
we
have
representatives
of
local
farming
associations,
the
provincial
ministries,
as
well
as
additional
community
representatives
on
that
on
that
Court.
J
So
the
review
had
basically
two
questions.
First
of
all,
how
did
the
program
respond
to
the
directions
that
were
set
for
the
2011
to
2015
phase?
And
secondly,
then
how
do
we
improve
the
program
moving
forward?
And
in
the
last
time
the
review
was
done.
There
were
three
key
points
that
we
received
from
Council
in
terms
of
direction.
The
first
is
to
streamline
approval
processes,
to
focus
on
priority
environmental
projects
and
to
enhance
promotion,
so
we
did
a
fairly
comprehensive
review.
Over
the
last
year
we
looked
at
23
other
similar
programs
across
the
province.
J
J
So
moving
on
to
just
summarize
some
of
the
key
findings
in
the
last
five
years,
the
program
supported
207
projects
with
more
than
600,000
dollars
in
grants
and
1.6
million
and
in
contribution
by
landowners.
The
dots
on
this
map
are
different
types
of
project
types
and
I'll
speak
to
that
in
a
minute.
But
at
this
point
we
just
want
to
focus
on
the
distribution
across
the
city
and
also
to
highlight
that
we've
had
participation
from
a
mix
of
farm
properties,
village
residents,
as
well
as
other
non
farm
properties,.
J
The
program
supports
16
different
types
of
of
projects
of
Grants,
and
these
are
a
range
of
agricultural,
best
management
practices,
erosion
control
and
Water
Course
buffers
as
well
as
well.
Decommissioning
and
I'll
just
highlight
a
couple
of
examples
here.
I
know:
I
had
the
pleasure
of
joining
several
of
you
this
past
week
to
go
out
and
visit
a
project
in
in
your
wards,
so
up
on
the
top
left
there
we
have
a
GPS
unit,
and
this
in
the
GPS
unit
is
used
for
improved
nutrient
management.
J
So
the
farmer
benefits
by
being
able
to
reduce
their
inputs
for
both
a
nutrient
application
as
well
as
spraying
and
then,
of
course,
there's
reduced
runoff
to
any
adjacent
water
courses.
The
top
right
is
a
is
a
stream
bank
stabilization
project
that
reduces
erosion
on
that
water
course
flowing
through
the
property
in
the
bottom
left.
J
The
program
supported
a
biofilter,
a
natural
means
of
treating
the
very
nutrient-rich
wash
water
that
comes
from
this
large-scale
greenhouse,
and
this
is
great
because
it
means
that
that
that
wash
water
is
treated
and
it
settles
out
before
then
that
water
flows
in
to
the
adjacent
Creek
and
finally,
on
the
on
the
bottom
right.
We've
supported
a
state-of-the-art
manure,
bio
digester
for
this
large
cattle
farm,
the
dairy
cattle,
dairy
business
and
in
what
the
bio
digester
does
is
it
treats
the
mini
Ron
site
and
it
also
generates
energy
at
the
same
time.
J
This
slide
shows
you
the
numbers
of
completed
projects
since
the
program
began
in
2000
and
if
you
recall,
one
of
the
directives
we
had
was
to
focus
on
projects
with
the
highest
environmental
benefit,
and
these
are
highlighted.
They
were
identified
back
in
2010
and
they're,
highlighted
by
the
stars
on
the
left
side
of
the
slide
and,
as
you
can
see,
we've
had
really
good
uptake
the
green
green
elements
in
in
many
of
these
priority
projects,
so
erosion
control
the
land
retirement
as
well
as
precision
farming.
J
J
Just
briefly,
on
the
past
participant
survey,
we
did
send
a
survey
to
all
people
that
have
participated
since
2011
and
we
had
a
1
in
3
response
rate,
for
this
kind
of
surveys
is
a
good
response
rate
and
I
just
want
to
highlight
the
we
were
very
pleased
with
the
high
degree
of
satisfaction
with
the
program,
a
common
common
barrier
that
you
find
in
stewardship.
Programs
like
this
is
when,
when
a
program
is
deemed
to
be
too
bureaucratic,
you
really
have
a
hard
time
getting
people
to
participate.
J
This
slide
summarizes
some
of
the
key
points
from
the
stakeholder
discussions
and
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
all
of
the
points,
but
I
do
want
to
just
highlight
a
couple
of
the
barriers
to
uptake.
As
I
mentioned,
one
of
the
during
the
review.
We
had
a
lot
of
discussions
with
stakeholders,
members
of
the
community,
on
reasons
why
you
may
have
less
uptake
of
certain
kinds
of
projects,
and
we
identified
these
barriers,
and
some
of
these
barriers
are
challenging
to
overcome.
J
For
example,
having
a
farmer
take
land
out
of
agricultural
production
to
put
in
a
watercourse
buffer.
But
there
are
other
barriers
that
we've
identified,
that
the
program
can
respond
to
so,
for
example,
identifying
working
with
landowners
to
identify
projects
that
they
can
complete
on
their
property
or
looking
at
enhancing
peer-to-peer
learning
and
promotion.
J
The
review
also
looked
at
a
trend
so
that
we
could
identify
issues
and
opportunities
to
respond
to,
and
many
of
these
trends
aren't
unique
to
Ottawa,
for
example,
you're
seeing
the
reductions
in
in
dairy
farms
in
terms
of
changes
on
the
policy
front.
Many
of
the
changes
on
provincial
policy
really
highlight
the
importance
of
Stewart
the
importance
of
stewardship
programs
like
this,
and
also
these
types
of
programs
for
helping
to
adapt
to
climate
change.
J
The
other
point
I
wanted
to
highlight
on
this
slide
was
the
significant
changes
that
have
happened
to
the
provincial
agricultural
funding
in
the
last
five
years.
So
this
is
the
growing
forward
to
program
supported
by
the
province
and
and
the
feds,
and
in
the
last
couple
of
years
there
have
been
major
overhauls
to
this
program
which
in
effect,
result
in
most
Ottawa
farmers
really
having
limited
eligibility
to
these
grants.
So
just
reinforces
the
importance
of
the
Ottawa
program
and
working
together
with
these
Land.
J
So
that
is
kind
of
the
other
indicator
that
we
looked
at
was
riparian
cover.
So
these
are
this
is
the
amount
of
vegetation
along
water
courses
and
which
is
really
important
for
contributing
to
water,
water,
of
course,
health
and
again
riparian
cover
across
the
city,
is
well
below
federal
federal
guidelines.
J
I
just
want
to
there's
two
points,
just
a
flag.
First
of
all,
clearly
what
the
data
shows
us
is:
there's
more
work
to
be
done
for
contributing
to
the
health
of
our
streams
and
rivers,
and
indeed,
council
has
approved
the
water
environment
strategy
as
a
strategic
strategic
priority
for
this
term,
and
this
program
contributes
to
that
and
then
the
other
point
is
that
the
large
majority
of
our
water
courses
flow
through
private
property.
So
a
program
like
this
that
works
hand-in-hand
with
landowners
is
really
key
for
making
those
changes.
Protecting
and
improving
water.
J
J
We
did
review
the
goals
and
objectives
and
they
remain
relevant,
particularly
when
you
look
at
local
and
provincial
policy
directions.
We
do
want
to
add
a
specific
goal
to
the
program,
in
addition
to
the
objectives
which
I
won't
read
out
but
is
listed
there
and
then
we
have
suggested
some
modifications
to
the
objectives
both
just
to
make
the
language
more
straightforward
and
to
reinforce
both
the
importance
of
agricultural
best
practices
and
as
well
as
the
stewardship
of
our
forests,
and
our
would
lead
Center
and
our
wetlands.
J
We're
recommending
no
changes
to
eligibility,
so
all
landowners
in
the
rural
area,
including
the
villages,
would
be
remain
eligible,
as
would
all
farms
citywide
and
any
wealthy
commissioning
project
across
the
city
in
terms
of
funding.
We're
proposing
a
renewed
five-year
program
at
the
$200,000
per
year,
and
this
would
be
financed
initially
by
the
cumulative
surplus
and
then
continued
as
a
special
levy
to
stop
nation
for
the
remaining
years.
J
We'd
like
to
continue
working
with
the
external
program
committee,
because
I
think
this
is
an
effective
way
of
getting
guidance
for
the
program
and
we'll
review
the
terms
of
reference
and
look
at
enhancing
the
role
in
promotion.
And
finally,
we've
identified
ways
to
enhance
our
reporting.
So
we
continue
to
report
to
you
on
on
a
cheetah's.
J
So,
in
terms
of
the
eligible
project
list
you
recall
I
mentioned
we
have
16
projects
right
now,
so
we'd
like
to
maintain
all
of
those
grants,
although
we've
we've
simplified
them
a
and
just
organized
in
them
under
under
a
series
of
categories,
there
are
four
of
our
existing
projects
that
we
would
like
to
modify
and
I'll
just
touch
on
a
couple
of
them.
The
first
is
we'd
like
to
increase
uptake
of
the
watercourse
buffers,
and
we
propose
to
do
this
by
offering
two
methods
to
deliver
shoreline
plantings.
J
The
first
is
when
the
landowner
completes
the
project
and
applies
for
a
grant
as
reimbursement
and
the
second
way
the
landowner
works
together
with
our
local
conservation
authority
to
both
plan
and
implement
the
project
again,
overcoming
that
barrier
of
doing
that
initial
upfront
work
for
a
project,
the
other
one
I
wanted
to
flag
was
on
demonstrations.
We
think
this
is
a
really
important
way
to
showcase
some
of
the
innovative
technologies
that
are
out
there
and
create
opportunities
for
hands-on
learning.
J
We
are
suggesting
adding
four
new
project
types
cover
crops,
our
overwintering
crops
that
are
really
effective
at
protecting
soil
from
erosion,
particularly
in
heavy
rain
events.
So
these
are
things
like
winter,
wheat
or
alfalfa,
and
we're
increasingly
seeing
this
as
a
grant.
That's
supported
across
Ontario,
including
in
the
sister
programs
offered
by
self
nation
and
Rito
outside
of
the
city's
boundaries.
J
The
proposed
support
to
the
forests
and
conservation
management
plans
would
enable
landowners
to
get
advice
on
how
they
should
be
managing
their
woodlot,
so
their
wetlands,
their
forests
and
also
make
them
eligible
for
provincial
tax
incentive
programs.
The
innovative
project
category
basically
lets
us
respond
to
innovative
ideas
that
protect
water
quality
and
then
the
last
project
type
is
first
septic
system
repairs.
J
This
was
a
project
type
that
was
removed
in
this
last
phase
and
we
did,
and
primarily
that
was
removed
because
of
the
budget
pressures.
So
this
this
project,
septic
system,
replacements
and
well
upgrades
took
two-thirds
of
the
budget
in
the
last
phase,
and
so
during
this
review,
we
looked
at
options
for
supporting
septic
systems.
We
looked
at
education
and
awareness,
we
looked
at
supporting
septic
inspections
and
then
of
direct
support
to
repairs
and
replacements,
and
it's
this
last
category
that
we're
proposing
to
support,
but
in
a
focused
way.
J
Last
slide
on
the
on
the
proposed
changes.
Again,
as
as
I've
said
already,
the
program
really
was
found
to
be
an
effective
way
to
work
with
to
work
with
landowners,
and
the
partnerships
indeed
were
a
good
way
to
have
a
cost-effective
and
straightforward
program.
We
are
proposing
a
series
of
improvements,
and
these
were
really
looking
at
some
of
the
barriers.
How
do
we
overcome
the
barriers
that
are
being
identified
and
there's
a
couple
of
examples
up
there
that
are
fairly
straightforward?
J
So,
in
summary,
we
think
the
program
works
really
well.
We've
identified
a
couple
of
ways
that
we
think
we
can
improve
it,
notably
for
new
project
types,
some
modified
delivery
options
and
enhanced
promotion,
and
we
really
think
that
in
this
way,
we'll
continue
to
be
able
to
support
landowners
for
their
benefit
and
also
for
environment
benefit,
so
I.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
or
clarifications.
B
G
G
Precision
farming
didn't
you
know:
I'm,
not
a
farmer
but
precision,
Flemington
to
me,
say
GPS
or
the
auto
steering
pilot
for
the
tractor
or
the
things
that
Benoit
was
talking
about
right
and
so
I
think
we
need
to
figure
out
a
way
to
make
it
clearer
exactly
the
types
of
projects
that
are
eligible,
the
winter
cropping
as
an
example
to
his
eyes
lit
up
when
you're
talking
about
winter.
We
may
be
getting
some
funding
for
that.
G
The
area
of
the
city
that
didn't
get
a
lot
of
grants,
notably
mine,
is
the
one
with
all
the
red
dots
in
it,
so
obviously
targeting
that
area
of
the
city
and
I'll
certainly
help
with
that
through
promotion
through
my
own
efforts
in
the
in
the
community,
but
clearly
we
should
be
targeting
where
we
still
have
those
high
phosphorus
levels
or
those
areas
that
were
concerned
about,
and
that
would
be
money,
but
otherwise
I
think
it's
a
great
program.
I
think.
Certainly
we
should
continue
and
it
have
any
any
way
we
can
increase.
The
funding.
H
You
Chad
and
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
this
presentation
and
also
want
to
thank
you
for
visiting
the
same
tech
firm
with
me
last
week.
The
lady
please
there
with
the
Graham
and
I'm
really
happy
to
see
the
the
new,
the
new
septic
improvement
and
then
oldest
so
I
will
be
supporting
this
program.
It's
a
great
for
our
land
owner
and
helping
our
agricultural
and
society.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
I've
really
spoken
this
and
thank
you.
C
K
J
C
H
C
Reason
I'm
asking
Allah
because
sometimes
we
have
something
on
the
books,
but
we
don't
have
the
funding
to
support
it.
Then
people
go
through,
as
you
know,
not
easy
to
apply
to
the
city
for
a
grant
and
then
to
find
out.
Well
there's
no
funding
available,
so
I'd
like
to
know
how
much
you're
suggesting
we
should
have
funding
available
for
this
before
we
go
out
and
say
you
have
you
know
you
can
apply
so
I'd
like
to
I'd
like
to
shed
some
light
on
this.
If
you
don't
mind
so.
C
I
I
You
know
rather
focused
and
tailored
controlled
element
to
avoid
overwhelming
the
program,
as
was
the
case
in
the
the
initial
term,
that
the
costs
of
that
particular
element
overwhelmed
the
entire
program
and
we
weren't
able
to
accomplish
as
much
so
I
think
what
we've
tried
to
do
here
is
identify
it
as
having
a
clear
positive
impact
on
source,
water
and
or
surface
water
by
by
the
limitations,
and
also
by
having
a
categorization
length
of
twenty
thousand
with
a
maximum
of
a
thousand
on
any
particular
single
project.
And
it
would
only
go
towards
those
repairs.
C
I
In
the
previous
term,
we
had
funds
set
aside
or
in
the
previous
term
this
this
program,
categorization,
was
was
removed
from
the
program
itself
and
so
we're
looking
at
limiting
it.
You
know
the
the
math
would
be
likely
somewhere
in
the
order
of
20
to
23
projects,
because
there
is
a
maximum
of
a
thousand,
and
many
of
these
programs
would
would
likely
be
eligible
for
that.
I
There
may
be
a
few
that
aren't
so
it's
a
limited
reengagement,
if
you
will
in
this
program,
while
still
trying
to
accomplish
the
other,
the
other
initiatives
and
and
limiting
it
to
those
areas
where
we
have
high
degree
or
comfort
that
it
is
making
a
very
positive
impact
on
that
receiving
surface
water.
Well,.
C
I
hope
you
can
share
that
information
with
the
conservation
authority,
because
sometimes
they're
gone
with
some
old
information
give
to
the
resident
and
the
resident
car
not
to
be
disappointed.
No,
it
doesn't
exist
anymore,
so
I
hope
we
can
communicate
properly.
So
we
don't
create
false
expectation
country,
good
one.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you,
sir.
C
B
You,
sir,
you
nail
this
one.
Thank
you
again
for
the
presentation
and
the
good
work
in
the
program.
I
know
I
had
a
chance
to
visit
schedule,
schedule
Corner,
View
farms.
Last
week
they
actually
celebrated
their
60th
anniversary
as
a
farm
in
the
in
the
auto
area.
So
they've
got
that
one
of
the
I
think
one
of
the
most
interesting
things
that
happens
on
farms
these
days
is
the
bio
digesters.
I.
B
B
E
E
E
M
E
The
closing
allowance
is
governed
by
team,
useful
act
and
therefore
does
not
meet
the
definition
of
development
development
requiring
approval
under
the
Planning
Act.
However,
there
are
policies
in
the
Official
Plan
which
speak
to
closing
and
selling
of
unopened,
Road
allowances,
section
231
transportation
states
that
the
city
will
not
close
and
sell
unopened,
Road
allowances
lanes
or
roads
that
have
reasonable
potential
in
the
short
term
or
long
term
for
use
as
a
roadway,
a
transit
or
utility
corridor,
or
a
pedestrian
or
cyclist
link
or
public
access
to
the
shore
of
a
water
body.
E
E
Staff
do
not
support
the
Road
closing
application
for
the
following
reasons.
The
road
allowance
has
a
reasonable
potential
in
the
long
term
to
be
used
and
as
an
east-west
transportation.
Linkage
and
also
the
road
allowance
has
a
potential
to
provide
a
watercourse
access
to
the
Jacque
River,
which
would
serve
as
a
residence
in
the
bar
Haven
and
the
surrounding
area.
Please
note
also
that
at
the
present
this
road
allowance
is
not
being
used
as
a
public
access
to
the
watercourse.
B
B
A
Good
morning,
a
bit
of
background
I'm
fifth-generation
to
live
at
this
location.
The
president
house
we
live
in
was
built
100
years
old
was
built
in
1915.
The
original
homestead
was
actually
built
on
the
road
allowance.
My
father
talked
about.
It
was
a
law
of
building
the
judge
that
up
map
it's
a
little.
The
area,
the
buildings
that
takes
is
a
little
more
than
I
thought
we
have
been
aware
of.
A
We
were
in
the
rule
around
still
about
three
or
four
years
ago,
city
in
the
pian
city
of
ottawa
didn't
pick
it
up
either
we
started
with
an
above-ground
pool,
probably
20
years
ago,
on
May
26
2003.
We
had
the
permit
for
the
in-ground
pool
and
it
wasn't
picked
up
then
so
some
of
the
buildings
there
there's
a
square
timber
building,
that's
the
presently.
We
remodel
it
for
a
shop,
it's
all
square
timber,
we've
jacked
it
up
and
put
siding
on
it
and
I
would
assume
that's
more
100
years
old.
Also.
A
So
when
people
come
down
mckenna
casey
presently
they
turn
right
and
it's
usually
in
the
front
of
a
gravel
truck
or
a
garbage
truck
and
the
gravel
struck
lay
on
the
air
horn.
So
I
can
see
someone
coming
down
turning
or
turning
right
on
McKenna
Casey
and
then
having
to
make
a
quick
left.
It's
a
disaster
waiting
to
happen,
plus
the
only
transportation
realizes
that
to
this
road
extension
to
go
anywhere.
They
have
to
build
two
bridges
to
cross
the
dark
river
twice
to
get
to
the
Richmond.
A
Road
plus
I
was
approached
by
Stefano
rod
price
about
six
months
ago
that
the
construction
company
is
looking
to
get
access
to
the
Lions
over
there
to
some
of
the
best
more
terse
and
it's
across
the
river
from
my
our
farm
in
the
auto
area
and
it's
landlocked
but
they're
looking
who's
a
that.
He
wanted
to
know
who
the
landowners
were.
So
they
could
approach
them
for
to
make
a
temporary
road
I
feel
that
fallow
field
roads
a
mile
north
easily
access
widen
for
an
east-west
transit.
Ization,
no
bridges
have
to
be
involved.
A
You
can
go
to
the
South.
You
have
Cambrian
Road
MTO,
deferred
flyover
on
the
four
sixteen
on
Campion,
that
I
think
the
city
should
start
and
get
the
moving,
but
actually
incorporate
a
cloverleaf
there.
So
I
think
that
to
make
this
an
east-west
corridor,
it's
sort
of
cost
as
a
taxpayer.
It's
not
it's,
not
feasible,
plus,
as
you
can
see,
it
kind
of
limits
to
what
I
can
do
there
as
a
farming
operation
and
plus
as
a
first
June.
My
English
son
started
with
me
that
he
wants
to
take
over
so
it'll
be
six
generations.
B
Thank
you
very
much
for
Supriya
tieu
coming
out
and
and
speaking
on
the
item,
sir
sheds
light
on.
Essentially
some
things
I
was
going
to
say
to
you.
So
just
can
we
get
the
just
hit
the
the
presentation
put
up
on,
even
though
it
blinds
me
yep,
so
yeah
it
stay
on
the.
Can
you
score
the
map,
the
transportation
map,
there's
a
ferry
so
because
I
want
to
speak
on
the
item
and
and
put
forward
a
motion
I'm
just
going
to
hand
over
the
chair
to
our
Vice
Chair
councillor,
Drew's.
H
B
I'd
like
to
speak,
sir
five
minutes
thanks
and
thanks
mr.
chair
so
Anya.
Clearly,
as
mr.
Hill
pointed
out,
there
are
some
some
real
concerns
as
to
with
this
road
allowance.
I'm,
really
not
sure
how
a
row
allowance
can
end
up
in
a
situation
where
there's
been
a
barn
on
it
for
a
hundred
years,
but
one
of
the
two
the
two
points
that
staff
make
in
terms
of
the
reason
to
do
not
close
it.
First
of
all,
it's
important
to
know,
but
the
road
allowance
itself,
it's
an
old
concession,
Road
allowance.
B
It
said
nepean
concession,
none
of
it
actually
lines
up
so
mechanic
AC
itself
lines
up
with
rushmore
west
of
oliver
shin
road.
But
of
course
the
road
allowance
to
get
from
each
actually
do
not
line
up
with
the
two
roads.
So
it
creates
quite
a
bit
of
quite
a
jog
in
the
road.
It's
also
as
as
mr.
hill
mentioned,
it's
at
the
bowl
of
the
jock,
so
the
jock
actually
goes
up
and
then
comes
back
down,
which
would
create
the
need
for
two
bridges,
whereas
north
of
that
you
would
not
have
that
need.
B
But
in
terms
of
a
future
transportation,
I
mean
it's
not
exactly
set
in
stone.
That
is
a
grey
arrow.
That's
really
it
it's
it's
an
arrow
that
would
run
you
through
some
of
the
best
a
kosher
land
in
the
City
of
Ottawa
to
get
to
the
safe
South
Canada
I
would
not
be
for
promoting
developments
south
of
Hope
side
road,
which
is
essentially
exactly
where
you
need
to
go
to
get
to
get
transit
from
transit
route
or
LRT
routes
from
bar
Haven
up
to
up
to
Canada.
B
I
I
would
hope
that
council
would
never
support
development
of
primary
chilean
city
of
ottawa.
That's
one
of
the
strongest
things
that
I
I
campaigned
against
and
I
work
against
at
the
city.
So
certainly
this
would
be
counterintuitive
to
that,
but,
ultimately,
and
if
you
can
use,
go
to
the
last
slide
again.
B
I'm
not
sure
if
there
was
a
potentially
a
mistake
in
drawing
the
lines
at
some
point
in
the
past,
but
for
or
a
barn
to
be
in
the
in
the
row
allowance
for
a
hundred
years
for
a
pool
to
be
permitted
inside
the
road
allowance.
It
just
makes
sense
for
us
to
to
correct
this.
I
know:
I've
spoken
with
them.
Mr.
Hill
about
this
for
probably
the
past
two
years.
B
This
was
the
best
Avenue
for
him
to
take
in
order
to
address
these
these
issues,
so
I'm
gonna
put
for
a
motion
that
we
alter
B
recommendation
to
say
that
that
we
approve
sorry
that
we
approve
the
the
road
closure
as
opposed
to
refuse
it.
So
essentially
that
regulars,
Rural,
Affairs
Committee,
recommend
council
approve
a
street
closure
application
for
3128
moody
Drive,
as
shown
in
document
one
I
would
further.
B
If
that's
approved
by
a
by
committee
and
I
know,
you
can
ask
the
community
seconds
I
would
then
direct
staff
to
add
the
necessary
conditions
of
approval,
as
we
would
normally
as
our
standard
in
any
sort
of
road
closure
application?
Of
course
they
aren't
attached
at
the
time,
because
it's
a
it's
a
refusal
recommendation,
but
of
course,
if
we
do
approve
it,
there
are
conditions
of
that
approval,
which
then
I
would
direct
staff
to
to
work
on
to
apply
to
the
to
the
approval
of
the
of
the
road
closure.
C
You
mister
chair
so
to
to
our
staff,
and
maybe
legal,
can
help
us
here,
the
as
you
know,
access
Lane
and
on
open
road
on
loans
and
maintained.
Road
allowance,
although
is,
is
very
sensitive
issue
in
many
part
of
the
city,
especially
the
one
access
to
the
water
or
future
road
or
development.
So,
in
a
case
like
this
I
understand
what's
happening
here,
but
I
also
understand,
there's
some
folks
in
other
part
of
the
city.
N
N
B
Know
no
I
I
would
I'd
like
to
just
clean
this
up.
Obviously
this
is,
as
mr.
you
mentioned,
is
a
sixth
generation
farm
or
it's
gonna,
be
a
generation
farm
I.
Think
they'd
want
to
address
these
issues
and
be
able
to
to
solve
this
problem
long
term
as
opposed
to
something
that
may
expire
at
some
point,
I
think
in
in
the
future.
If
there
was
ever
a
desire
to
put
something
through
here,
I'm
pretty
sure
the
city
has
the
wherewithal
to
take
necessary
actions
to
take
the
land
they
need.
C
N
Thank
You
staff
have
any
sense
how
many
issues
like
this
there
is
out
there.
How
much
of
this
was
going
on
across
the
the
the
city
where
they're
building
on
to
rolled
allowances,
because,
as
the
chair
points
out,
this
is
an
example
where
buildings
have
been
there
for
a
long
time
the
pools
been
approved
under
the
City
of
Ottawa
correct
permit
it.
So
you
know
we
have
responsibilities
here
and
I
think
we
neglected
to
do
that
at
the
time
of
permitting
and
and
so
I'm
just
curious.
N
F
Mr.
champ,
through
you
I,
don't
think
it
an
idea
or
understand
the
magnitude
of
this
issue.
I,
don't
think
that
there
is
a
lot
of
these
issues
out
there,
but
in
terms
of
because
a
lot
of
these
issues
are
more
very
you
know,
either
a
complaint
has
been
made
or
or
somebody
realizes
that
there's
an
error
and
they
they
want
to
close
the
road.
So
there
isn't
a
great
understanding
that
this
is
an
issue
other
than
this
specific
site.
F
N
Now,
when
you
did
the
report
to
suggest
that
we
leave
it
as
the
road
allowance,
a
big
part
of
your
recommendation
is
because
of
that
grey
arrow
that
we
see
on
the
other
map.
Did
anybody
talk
to
transportation
and
say
they
ever
intend
to?
You
know
how
much
thought
went
into
putting
that
arrow?
There.
I
N
G
You
know
much
mister
I
want
to
ask
a
question
with
its
conceptual
arrow
idea,
because
I
in
the
urban
area
I'm
dealing
with
a
community
design
plan
that
has
a
conceptual
road
arrow
going
through
a
guy's
house
and
he
wasn't
told
about
it
and
he's
trying
to
sell
his
house
and
deals
have
fallen
through
because
you
know
the
buyer
is
doing
their
due
diligence
and
they
find
the
CDP's
and
and
off
you
go
now
he's
out.
You
know
potential
buyers.
So
when
we
draw
these
conceptual
arrows
on
a
map,
are
we?
G
N
N
G
G
Markey
who
provided
us
some
guidance
on
how
we
would
change
the
notification
process
for
these
kinds
of
things
going
forward
if
a
proposed
change,
whether
it's
a
road
or
a
park
or
anything
else,
is
going
to
impact
someone's
private
property,
how
they
can
be
specifically
notified
that
this
is
one
of
those
public
meetings.
You
can't
just
let
your
neighbors
go
to.
You
should
show
up
to
it.
How
do
we
do
that?
G
B
All
right,
thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
mr.
Hill,
for
coming
and
taking
the
time
to
come
down
in
this
cell
as
well
appreciate
your
time
so
we're
gonna
move
on
to
item
number
six,
which
should
plan
a
subdivision
and
zoning
bylaw
amendment
applications
for
1705,
old,
Prescott,
Road
and
I
do
believe.
We
will
have
a
presentation
on
this
as
well.
B
O
O
The
staff
position
for
this
is
that
there
are
still
major
revisions
to
reports
that
are
required,
responding
to
comments
made
by
the
city
and
the
Conservation
Authority.
The
Conservation
Authority
has
indicated
that
the
information
provided
in
the
hydrogeological
report
does
not
meet
provincial
guidelines
and
regulations
and
in
the
absence
of
further
information,
the
subdivision,
as
proposed,
proposes
risks
to
public
health
from
unsafe
drinking
water,
unstable
soils,
and
it
also
threatens
the
protection
of
a
provincial,
a
significant
wetland.
O
In
addition,
staff
have
been
directed
by
council
to
assess
development
applications
with
regard
to
OPA
150,
which
states
that
the
minimum
lot
size
permissible
for
privately
serviced.
Village
Lots
is
to
be
0.4
hectares,
whereas
this
proposal
has
a
minimum
lot
size
of
points
of
0.2
hectares,
and
this
policy
was
determined
by
council
as
a
result
of
studies
and
analysis
which
determined
that
density
higher
than
this
is
not
sustainable.
In
the
long
term.
O
The
proposed
subdivision
is
located
in
the
village
of
really
in
the
southern
end,
fronting
on
Prescott
Road.
You
can
see
it
highlighted
in
blue
in
terms
of
context.
On
the
westerly
side,
there
is
an
existing
croplands
and
a
barn.
The
majority
of
the
the
remainder
of
the
site
is
fort
hor
stood
and
there
is
hydro
easement
running
through
Ana
and
a
trans
northern
pipeline
that
run
easement
that
runs
through
it.
O
O
It
has
the
main
accesses
from
Prescott
Road,
with
a
connection
to
Donwell
Drive
to
the
shadow
Ridge
subdivision
to
the
north.
There
are
two
stormwater
management
ponds
located
on
there
and
called
block
104
and
106
it.
Everything
east
of
the
hydro
corridor
to
the
is
is
to
remain
open
space
and
there's
still
or
and
there's
an
additional
future
connectivity
per
vote
to
the
west
and
to
the
south.
O
The
property
State
before
is
in
the
village
of
Greely
and
designated
village,
as
per
the
official
plan.
The
intents
in
regards
to
residential
development
is
to
permit
for
a
range
of
housing
forms
to
meet
the
needs
of
the
villages
population,
where
the
form
and
scale
of
development
is
limited
by
the
available
servicing
methods
and
subject
to
the
policies
on
water
and
wastewater
official
plan.
Amendment
76
is:
it
is
full
force
in
effect,
which
direct
staff
to
review
for
safety
of
drinking
water
for
private
servicing,
OPA
150,
which
was
approved
by
Council,
is
currently
under
appeal.
O
O
In
terms
of
the
rezoning
violent
by
law,
bendin
application,
the
property
is
currently
zoned,
Development
Reserve,
which
is
intended
for
future
village
development.
So
once
the
application
for
plan
of
subdivision
determines
the
viable
creation
of
Lots
as
owning
bylaw
amendment
would
come
forward.
In
this
case,
the
applicant
is
proposed,
proposing
site-specific
zoning
similar
to
the
subdivisions
that
are
highlighted
in
this
graphic,
which
is
for
a
minimum
of
0.2
hectare.
Size
Lots
with
the
minimum
lot
width
of
30
metres
and
LOC
coverage
of
25%.
O
The
public
consultation
done
so
far
was
for
a
circulation
to
the
community
associations
and
property
owners
within
120
metres.
A
development
information
sign
was
posted
in
a
statutory
public
meeting
held
the
items
listed
above
are
some
of
the
issues
that
the
public
for
concerns
that
the
public
have,
which
basically
measure
nears
the
city
staff
concerns
and
what
we're
reviewing
the
application
for
and
now
I'm
available
to
answer
any
questions.
Thank
you.
B
H
P
H
You
but
I
just
want
to
cross
this.
The
subdivision
one
is
located
right
now,
west
north
of
it
there
is
a
202
unit,
229
it
was
approved
and
the
city
approved
on
half
acre
and
it's
the
same
same
cross,
st
and
the
city
and
you
the
developer,
who
came
to
an
agreement,
and
you
guys
I
think
we
spoke
about
that
that
the
we
told
them
to
use
a
special
subject
Waterloo
or
so
that
we
offer.
H
Or
did
we
work
with
the
developer
for
us
to
to
come
to
this
conclusion
or
to
be
able
not
to
go
to
OMB?
That's
where
my
question
is
that
we
every
work
with
this
and
I
know
it's
in
pilot
Pro
I
am
pilot,
but
there
is
project
on
that,
but
that's
like
four
years
ago
and
do
we
have
any
result
over
this
or
something
we
can
guide
the
committee
here
to
make
a
decision?
Okay,.
F
Through
you
chair,
there's
a
submission
jock
wind
farm
development,
that's
on
old
prescott
near
the
park.
Why
and
there
is
within
the
draft
conditions,
a
requirement
for
them
to
go
on
the
Waterloo
biofilter,
with
nitrate
reduction,
that
that
proposal
was
negotiated
between
the
city
and
the
developer
and
as
a
basis
for
approval
on
a
pilot
project.
We've
only
had
one
year's
worth
of
data
so
far,
so
it's
it's
too
soon
for
us
to
say
that
this
is
the
the
form
of
development
that
were.
We
would
like
to
see
and
really
in
this
area.
G
G
Thank
you.
So
that's
a
lot
of
stuff,
and
so
when
we're
saying
that
there
are
unresolved
issues,
is
that
that
those
studies
were
done
and
we
don't
like
the
answers,
or
was
it
that
those
studies
were
not
done
with
the
proper
vigor
like
what
exactly
you
know,
pick
one
I,
don't
care
and
tell
me
why
it
doesn't
meet
her
star.
Your
satisfaction.
O
Well,
in
terms
of
the
like,
these
reports
were
brought
in
it
wasn't
that
rigor
wasn't
done,
but
the
city
and
or
the
camp
Conservation
Authority
had
comments
regarding
clarifications
and
for
these
studies
to
be
revised
and
resubmitted
for
reviews.
So
a
lot
of
the
responses
back
to
our
comments
were
were
that
they
wanted
the
report
to
to
stand
as
it
is
so.
G
O
From
the
Hydra
G,
the
city
relies
like
we
reviewed
ourselves,
but
we
rely
highly
on
the
conservation
authority
and
in
terms
of
the
issues
that
they
had
I,
don't
want
to
speak
on
behalf
of
the
South
nation
conservation
authority.
We
do
have
Tessa
here
from
south
nation
conservation
authority
and
perhaps
she
could
speak
to.
P
Well,
sorry,
I
didn't
actually
prepare.
Anything.
I
was
just
here
to
observe,
but
I'm
happy
to
talk.
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
South
Asians
roll
first,
so
we
review
Hydra
G
as
an
independent,
reviewer
and
I
review
for
three
main
things.
The
first
is
that
do
you
meet
provincial
guidelines?
The
second
is:
did
you
did
you
use
proper
standards
and
current
standard?
When
you
do
your
investigation
and
the
third
is,
does
everything
make
sense?
P
Does
the
science
make
sense
in
terms
of
the
Hydra
G
I
had
about
17
pages
of
questions
when
I
saw
the
first
report,
the
largest
issue
I
had
was
the
lot
density,
which
again
goes
along
with
the
point
for
I'm
hectare
requirement,
but
the
lot
density
on
didn't
a
provincial
guidelines
in
terms
of
the
the
requirements
that
we
need,
that
they
didn't.
They
didn't
show
that
the
nitrate
dilutions,
sorry,
the
septic
impact
assessment,
met
the
requirements
of
the
provincial
guideline,
so
that
was
one
of
the
largest
issues
was
lot
density.
Answer.
G
P
And
this
issue
so
from
past
reports
done
in
the
green,
the
area
this
has
the
jock
with
jock
Whitford
report
from
2001
has
identified
septic
septic
lot,
sizing
it
being
or
sir
I
should
say,
lot
sizing
to
be
very
to
be
highly
scrutinized,
especially
in
an
early
area,
because
there
is,
there
are
existing
issues
from
contamination
from
septic
systems,
and
so
we
do
really
go
through
this
thoroughly
to
make
sure
that
we
meet
provincial
guidelines,
which
is
the
standard
that
we've
been
directed
to
to
look
at
for
lot.
Sizing
yeah.
G
And,
to
be
perfectly
honest,
amongst
all
the
other
things
that
are
there,
those
are
all
very
important
issues
to
understand,
but
when
we're
talking
about
potentially
polluting
drinking
water,
that's
a
big
concern
for
me
and
so
I'm,
without
prejudicing
other
presentations
coming
I'm,
very
hesitant
to
even
lean
towards
supporting
the
recommendation
to
not
support,
stop
honor.
So
thank
you
very
much
differently.
A
N
You
mr.
chair,
the
representative
from
South
nation,
just
mentioned
that
they
had
17
pages
of
questions
based
on
the
report
that
calls
for
me
that
raises
questions
about
the
quality
of
that
initial
report
that
came
in
the
other
parts
of
this
application.
That
was
reviewed
is
that
the
level
that
you
got
as
well
like
lots
of
questions
to
do
with
every
piece
of
it.
O
Yeah
for
the
other
studies
said
that
we
have
significant
issues
with
the
geotechnical
investigation
report.
However,
those
responses,
the
comments
that
the
city
provided
are
recent
and
the
applicant
hasn't
had
a
chance
to
respond
for
those
to
those
and
I
would
say
the
same,
also
for
the
environmental
impact
statement,
and
that
is
for
the
two
documents
to
to
respect
one
another.
In
terms
of
the
unstable
soils.
O
N
N
A
N
C
So
yeah
just
a
quick
question.
Mr.
chair
and
I
heard
from
mr.
McEwen
speaking
about
the
pilot
project
was
only
one
year
in
in
across
the
street
over
in
the
same
area.
What
would
be
what
would
be
your
recommendation
if
to
come
back
with
the
full
review
of
of
that
pilot
project
like
what
we
have
a
full
project?
Obviously,
we
expect
so
many
years
in
the
making
to
be
able
to
review
it
and
give
you
your
recommendation
based
on
this.
F
Chair
for
you
to
answer
this
question
is
a
bit
difficult
because
the
project
really
has
to.
We
have
to
have
a
lot
of
information
from
that
to
decide
if
this
is.
This
is
something
that
staff
could
support.
Not
just
do
these
systems
work,
but
are
there
monitoring
processes
in
place
to
ensure
that
they
work
continually,
and
so
that's
what
this
project
is
is
really
is
for
is
to
find
out.
You
know:
how
can
we
implement
the
the
recommendations
of
of
these
draft
conditions
and
is:
is
this
a
viable
process
or
for
continual
development?
C
F
B
It
has
the
current
applicant
showing
willingness
to
do
something
similar,
a
similar
arrangement
as
the
Quinn
firm,
not
or
not,
or
not.
Okay,
thank
you.
Okay,
so
we're
gonna
relate
to
the
speaker's.
Our
first
speaker
on
the
item
is
Bill
Walton,
I
notice,
you
also
have
Stephanie.
Morris
is
also
listed
to
speak,
so
you
guys
need
to
come
together.
L
Okay,
mr.
chairmembers,
the
committee,
my
name
is
Bill
Hills
man,
the
way
we're
gonna
structure.
This
is,
if
it's
all
right
with
you.
Mr.
chair,
is
that
we
have
five
speakers.
We
each
going
to
take
our
five
minutes.
Obviously
well
after
I
finish,
you
know,
you
ask
me
questions
or
whatnot.
You
saw
we're
in
your
hands
for
that.
So
I
want
to
speak
very
briefly,
I'm
a
president
of
Holzman
consultants,
the
planning
consultants
on
the
file.
L
Now
we
also
have
Steve
Patterson
our
Steve
Walker,
simply
from
Patterson
a
professional
engineer,
who's
going
to
deal
with
them,
the
hydro
G
issues
and
we
have
Stephanie
Morris
well.
One
of
my
associates
is
going
to
deal
with
some
of
the
checks
and
balances
that
we
propose
to
you
and
that's
the
list
of
draft
conditions
of
approval
that
we're
putting
before
you.
Now.
We
don't
expect
you
to
read
all
129
right
now
and
memorize
them.
We're
gonna
have
Jeff
Stanley,
who
is
the
the
family
that
owns
this
land
him
and
his
father?
L
Cecil
are
here
today
and
they've
owned
the
lands
for
many
years
as
well
than
to
follow
up
and
summarize,
as
Dan
Anderson.
He
is
one
of
the
joint
venture
partners
here,
so
I
think
it's
it's
worth
taking
my
my
four
and
a
half
minutes
now
to
outline
a
little
bit
of
the
evolution
of
this
this
project,
because
it
is
a
rather
significant,
certainly
relates
to
the
issue
of
why
we've
proposed
half
acre
lots
or
Missouri
0.2
hectare.
L
Lots
on
this
now
the
Stanley
family
had
been
a
long-standing
residents,
the
area
they
did
the
number
of
years
of
I
think
in
the
70s,
a
Stanley
Park
subdivision
to
the
northwest
the
site
they
as
early
as
2008.
They
met
with
the
previous
Ward
council
and
many
stakeholders,
and
they
talked
about
advancing
this
project
here.
L
They
obviously
were
envisioning
a
certain
number
of
technical
studies
which
was
started
in
around
that
time,
and
they
were
basically
ready
to
go
for
2012
and
they
were
course
guided
by
the
policies
in
place
during
that
time.
So
they
prepared
a
number
of
the
technical
studies.
They
had
a
different
consulting
team
working
for
them.
They
approached
the
staff
in
the
about
September
August
September
of
2013.
L
Why
I
mentioned
that
date
is
OPA,
150
came
into
follow,
was
adopted
by
council,
December,
11th
2013,
so
four
or
five
months
earlier,
they
approached
staff
and
they
said
we've
got
this
project
here.
We've
always
envisioned
it.
It's
going
to
be
very
consistent
with
everything
around
it.
Basically,
the
point
Hector
Lots
and
we'd
like
to
move
forward
so
long.
The
staff
rightly
so
said:
you'll
have
to
pre
consult
with
us
and
staff,
rightly
so
to
ask
for
some
materials.
L
So
it
took
a
couple
months
to
get
the
materials
and
the
they
got
the
materials
in
November
of
2013.
Again
we
have
this
December
11th
date
coming
forward.
Now
my
understanding
was
we
weren't
retained
to
the
time.
Exp
consultants
were
handling
the
the
work
for
them
at
the
time
that
they
had
set
a
pre-consultation
date
for
December
5th.
L
They
also
were
they
they.
They
obviously
realized
at
that
point
that
they
were
into
a
big
process
here
they
looked
around
and
they
were
very
familiar
with
Sunset
Lakes
Development
Corporation,
they
met
with
them
and
they
actually
entered
into
a
joint
venture
a
number
of
months
later.
So
this
is
the
Stanley
Project
and
Jeff
will
speak
to
the
importance
of
it
for
there,
but
they
obviously
understood
that
this
was
going
to
be
complex.
That's
fine!
L
So
they
as
they
prepared
they
paired
all
the
reports
and
the
plans
and
he
submitted
them
in
December.
2014
staff
reviewed
the
materials
for
for
completeness.
Not.
Why
did
they
answer
every
concern
and
I
want
to
mislead
you
and
Ashleigh,
deemed
both
the
subdivision
application
and
the
rezoning
or
zoning
bylaw
amendment
complete
for
the
purpose
of
circulating
and
again
the
circulation
goes
on
and
there's
comments
received,
which
is
a
standard
practice
and
17
pages
or
seven
pages.
There's
always
lots
of
pages
of
comments,
and
that's
fine
and
some
are
major.
L
Some
are
relatively
minor
and
that's
just
what
would
happen
so,
of
course
we
made
a
resubmission
shortly
thereafter,
a
resubmission
in
April
to
address
the
concerns,
and
ever
we
have
here
is
our
experts.
Our
opinion
has
been
presented.
Staff.
Don't
accept
that
so
that's
sort
of
the
dilemma
that
I
believe
that
you
have
to
face
one
of
the
things
that
that
was
good.
B
L
There
was
also
no
presentation
of
the
transition
policies
to
the
world
loop
I
mean
the
Stanley's
world
they're
not
coming
down
to
talk,
find
out
about
OPA
150
at
Planning
Committee.
They
were
never
informed
of
the
transition
policy
till
it
was
too
late.
If
they
had
known
I
can
assure
you
that
if
they
were
told
of
those
on
December
17th
and
had
the
meeting
they
would
have
hustle
an
application
obviously
tried
to
get
their
application
before
December
11th
they
couldn't,
but
they
would
have
so
we're
caught
now.
L
We
think
that,
again
that
a
minimum
lot
size
is
really
dependent
on
the
technical
analysis,
hydro,
G
and
others,
though,
to
be
able
to
support
the
number
of
lots
and
others
now
Steve
Walker
is
going
to
come
up
now
he's
going
to
speak
to
that.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
we
don't
want
anything.
That's
unsafe,
we're
gonna,
have
development
on
half
acre
lots,
that's
consistent
with
and
actually
larger
than,
many
lots
around.
That's
going
to
be
safe
from
an
environmental
point
of
view.
Steve
thank.
B
You
I
just
wanted
to
say
one
thing
here:
there's
always
talking
about
OPA
154,
so
PA
76,
just
to
be
clear.
This
does
have
to
be
considered
under
OPA
76.
So
if
that
was
the
only
issue,
if
the
only
issue
came
down
to
lot
size,
this
application
would
not
be
rejected.
It's
just
that
with
that
with
the
minimal
want
size
of
half
an
acre,
there
still
are
conditions
that
have
to
be
met.
B
L
Chairs
I'll,
just
to
just
add
to
that
and
I
agree
completely
with
you.
That's
why
we
have
a
list
of
129
draft
conditions
and
we're
going
to
tell
you
that
the
science
is
there.
That
has
been
proven
over
the
course
of
time
on
previous
subdivisions
and
that
those
fears
that
are
being
expressed
by
staff
to
you
are
no
different
than
any
of
the
other
subdivisions.
So
I'll.
Q
Well,
thank
you
mr.
Gerald
Troy
be
quick.
Yes,
first
of
all
I'll
introduce
myself.
My
name
is
Steven
Walker
I'm,
a
principal
with
Patterson
group
I've,
been
like
a
licensed
professional
engineer
in
Ontario
I've
been
practicing
for
38
years
in
the
areas
of
hydric
geology
and
and
field
sciences.
Our
firm
has
been
practicing
in
Ottawa
for
60
years,
we're
quite
familiar
with
development
in
the
rural
area
and
specifically,
I've
been
involved
with
several
land
development
applications
in
greeley.
Q
Typically,
they
do
end
up
going
before
the
interior
municipal
board
and
in
each
and
every
case
to
be.
My
evidence
has
been
accepted
by
the
board.
The
methodologies
used
in
the
conclusions
reached
for
this
application
are
consistent
with
these
previous
applications,
which
have
been
supported
by
the
OMB.
Without
getting
into
the
details
of
this
application.
Q
The
committee
should
be
cognizant
the
fact
that
the
development
of
greeley
has
proceeded
in
a
manner
that
ensures
a
safe,
reliable
source
of
drinking
water.
Approximately
13
years
ago
and
Tess
alluded
to
this.
The
city
had
put
a
freeze
on
development
in
greeley
so
that
they
could
conduct
the
necessary
studies
to
confirm
whether
or
not
the
development
of
greeley
could
proceed.
At
the
point,
Hector
village
lot
size
existed
under
the
efficient.
A
very
detailed
study
using
sophisticated
groundwater.
Modeling
techniques
was
commissioned
by
the
city
to
Jake's
Whitford
limited.
Q
The
results
of
that
study
predicted
that
at
full
build-out
of
Greely
at
half
acre
lots.
The
overall
night
trade
impact
would
be
of
the
order
of
about
one
milligram
per
liter.
The
provincial
drinking
water
objective
is
ten
times
that
amount.
In
fact,
I
have
a
copy
of
the
report
here,
and
they
have
these
nice
plans
in
here
that
wasn't
prepared
to
transact
on
this
report.
Q
Q
We've
also
done
sampling
off-site
as
part
of
these
studies
that
we've
done
and
we
find
that
subdivisions
as
old
as
60
years
old,
we're
not
seeing
nitrates
in
the
water,
typically
very
low,
nitrates
or
even
non-detectable,
so
they
have
been
performing
quite
well
with
respect
to
the
city's
common
in
the
staff
report
that
approving
plans
of
subdivision
on
point
to
hectare,
lots
will
create
even
more
risks
to
the
public
cells.
Health
is
without
technical
merits,
as
mentioned
above.
The
city's
own
experts
have
concluded
otherwise
based
on
scientific
analysis
with
any
development
on
private
services.
Q
Subdivisions
are
phased
so
that
no
more
than
40
Lots
can
be
developed
at
one
time
and
I
think
we
heard
that
so
prior
to
release
the
next
phase,
there
will
be
more
hydrogen
studies
to
confirm
that
things
are
working.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
things
are
working.
If
they're,
not,
you
have
to
revisit
the
report
and
revise
recommendations
accordingly,
if
everything's
fine,
then
we
proceed
and-
and
that's
what's
happened
in
the
past-
we
find
everything
is
fine
in
this
phase
of
elements
and
they
proceeded
out
for
folks.
Q
This
developed
this
particular
development
also
incorporates
significant
green
space
area
as
well
as
two
large
ponds
providing
for
a
significant
decrease
in
the
actual
lot
density
on
the
site,
while
the
minimum
lot
sizes
point
to
hector's.
The
actual
density
of
development
is
about
point
nine,
five
acres
foot
home,
which
is
plate
large.
Our
analysis
indicated
that
this
personal
land,
under
the
proposed
design
concept,
could
support
156
Lots
using
nitrate
solution
methodologies.
Q
Our
experience
in
the
Greely
areas
that
peat
existed
in
other
subdivisions
as
well,
which
are
now
currently
developed,
deep
repeat,
deposits
are
also
quite
common
throughout
the
urbanized
areas
of
Ottawa,
such
as
Vanier
the
Dow's
Lake
area,
north
of
Carling,
Morrison
Drive,
it's
widespread
through
the
city
and
you
deal
with
it.
There
are
ways
to
deal
with
it
and,
on
this
particular
site,
most
areas
to
be
developed.
The
actual
thickness
of
peat
is
nothing
more
than
the
thickness
of
a
topsoil
layer.
Q
It's
only
described
as
peat
by
the
texture
of
the
soil.
In
summary,
it
is
our
opinion
that
the
site
can
be
safely
developed
at
the
specified
density
about
0.2
hector's
or
a
lot.
In
addition,
it
is
our
opinion
that,
in
the
opinion
of
others,
that
the
Greely
area
has
a
high
quality
groundwater
aquifer
and
that
will
continue
to
supply
a
great
safe
drinking
water
supply
in
the
future.
Q
N
Q
Of
this,
this
report
actually
confirms
what
we're
saying
the
city's
report
that
they
commissioned
13
years
ago
and,
as
I
said,
they're
they're
predicting
based
on
detailed
modeling
and
detailed
sampling
through
the
area
that,
if
you
really
was
fully
built
out
at
five,
acre
lots
or
point
to
hectare
lot
better.
Okay,
that
you
would
expect
your
nitrates
might
reach
in
the
order
of
one
milligram
per
liter,
which
is
one
tenth
of
what
the
provincial
standards.
E
O
P
Patterson
report
for
the
subdivision-
sorry
yeah,
so
I
would
like
to
I
guess:
I
just
want
to
state
that
I
review
their
report
based
on
provincial
guidelines.
I
also
looked
at
this
report
in
terms
of
they
had
very
specific
recommendations
in
this
report
when
you
develop
and
those
recommendations
did
talk
about
following
provincial
guidelines
and
the
following
provincial
guidelines
would
be
one
of
the
really
big
keys
and
mr.
Walker
has
also
stated
that
this
the
land
can
support
a
hundred
and
fifty
six
based
on
his
nitrate,
dilution
calculation
I've
commented
on
this
in
my
report.
P
Some
of
my
comments
would
be
that
there
he
hasn't
provided
enough
support
for
some
of
the
values
used
in
that
calculation.
I,
don't
know
how
much
detail
you
want
to
get
into,
but,
for
example,
when
a
part
of
the
calculation
would
be
looking
at
infiltration
factors,
so
you
were
looking
at
how
water
can
come
into
to
dilute
the
effluent
coming
out
of
septic
systems,
and
one
of
the
assumptions
they
used
was
that
the
entire
the
entire
portion
of
land
would
be
forested
after
it's
built
up.
That
obviously
cannot
happen.
It
doesn't
make
any
sense.
P
Loss
will
have
to
be
cleared
to
build
houses.
Another
part
of
it
would
be
taking
out
impervious
areas
if
there's
a
house,
obviously
water
can't
dilute
into
the
ground.
Mr.
Walker
had
put
in
his
report
that
the
houses
will
be
a
220
metres
squared
and
in
my
in
my
in
another
area
of
the
report,
he
actually
puts
in
a
draft
lot
layout
and
he
has
340
meters
for
the
home.
So
I
just
asked
in
my
comments,
rectify
the
difference.
P
If
you
want
to
have
smaller
homes
and
use
that
area
for
dilution,
that's
fine,
but
the
recommendation
have
to
say
no
house
is
going
to
be
higher
than
220.
If
the
houses
are
gonna
be
340,
then
you
have
to
include
take
that
area
out,
because
you
can't
have
water
coming
into
the
ground
if
there's
a
house
there.
So
it's
a
lot
of
comments
like
that.
N
Appreciate
your
honesty
and
because
where
I
was
going
with,
that
is
the
concern.
I
have
what
his
comment
was
really
it
beyond
this
proposal,
you
said
Greeley
could
be
built
out
to
that
factor,
and
so
that
could
have
implications
for
other
proposals
coming
forward.
Based
on
your
report,
if
there's
those
questions
to
deal
with
those
that
report
I
certainly
would
like
to
see
the
answers
to
thank.
Q
You
I
just
clarify,
which
are
said:
I
I,
didn't
I,
didn't
say
that
I
have
concluded
that
I
said
the
city's
consultants
concluded
that
in
this
Jake's
Woodford
report,
that
was
the
study
that
they
did.
I
haven't
done
a
study
on
the
whole
village
of
Greeley,
but
this
is
a
report
that
the
city
of
Commission
thank.
N
B
N
O
B
B
R
Good
morning,
my
name
is
Stephanie
Morris,
also
locals
and
consultants,
to
give
some
additional
background.
Given
that
the
committee
has
asked
about
the
number
of
issues
outlined
in
the
staff
report,
mr.
Holman
and
I
met
with
city
staff
at
their
request
five
weeks
ago
to
go
over
the
outstanding
issues.
Following
our
most
recent
resubmission.
R
Just
prior
to
the
meeting,
we
sent
city
staff
a
copy
of
over
100
draft
conditions
that
we
had
prepared
for
their
review
in
advance
of
this
meeting.
The
draft
conditions
were
made
up
of
council
approved
standard
lists
of
draft
conditions,
other
conditions
from
similar
subdivisions
in
the
area
site,
specific
conditions
and
conditions,
proposing
solutions
to
some
of
the
outstanding
issues
that
would
need
to
be
cleared
following
draft
approval.
Don't
worry,
I
won't
go
through
all
129
of
them.
R
The
draft
conditions
proposed
would
offer
the
necessary
checks
and
balances
that
all
of
the
outstanding
issues
would
be
resolved
prior
to
registration.
At
the
meeting
with
city
staff,
we
were
told
that
the
issue
is
not
the
minimum
lot
size
policy
in
Opa
150,
as
has
been
discussed
today,
and
that
it
is
presently
under
appealed.
We
were
instead
told
that
the
issues
boiled
down
to
hydrogeology
and
then
the
presence
of
peat
which
staff
did
not
deem
to
be
adequately
addressed
through
the
EIS
and
geotech.
R
Following
the
meeting
who
we
inquired,
whether
written
comments
of
the
outstanding
issues
would
be
provided
so
that
we
could
appropriately
respond.
We
were
provided
with
those
comments,
just
this
past
Tuesday
and
they
have
all
already
been
responded
to
or
can
be
addressed
through
following
draft
approval
through
the
clearance
of
draft
conditions,
and
this
is
outlined
in
the
package
that
I
just
distributed
to
you
all.
The
drought
conditions
suggested
in
the
staff
report
would
give
an
additional
level
of
comfort
that
the
outstanding
issues
staff
have
regarding
the
geotechnical
investigation
and
EIS
would
be
resolved.
R
In
fact,
the
EIS
report
has
been
revised
and
it
concludes
that
the
boundary
of
the
wetland
is
as
submitted
and
it
won't
impact
the
subdivision.
So
the
issue
that
remains
to
be
decided,
as
we
have
been
discussing,
is
the
conditions
for
private
servicing,
has
studied
in
the
hydrogeological
and
terrain
analysis
and
the
number
of
lots
that
can
be
supported.
These
are
the
same
issues
that
have
similarly
gone
before
the
Ontario
Municipal
Board
successfully
many
times
over.
B
B
A
A
My
father
and
my
mother
had
given
us
to
do
something
with
toward
our
normal
retirement.
I
guess
you
could
say
we
lived
on
the
farm
and
we've.
You
know
worked
on
the
farm
for
years
and
we're
not
developers
all
three
of
us
just
have
regular
jobs
and
felt
we
would
be
able
to
develop
the
land
similar
to
how
my
father's
developed
his
and
then
this
first,
our
contact
with
the
city
went,
it
looked
like
it
was
gonna
go
through,
but
the
timelines
changed
and
we
were
kind
of
floored.
A
When
we
had
the
decision
that
24
hectares
were
gonna
be
put
in
place,
and
that
was
when
we
decided
it
didn't.
Look
like
you
were
gonna.
Have
the
funds
to
go
ahead
and
we
teamed
up
with
a
quality
builder
like
sunset
and
move
forward.
That
way
so
I'm
just
hoping
to
have
two
thanks.
Can
they
resolve
and
get
a
good
decision.
H
The
rest
of
the
subdivision
and
I
know
that
it
was
all
built
on
the
same,
and
similarity
of
that
subdivision
that
we're
building
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
bring
this
to
the
attention
to
the
committee
that
half
acre
lots
are
the
same
service
that
we
have
right.
Private
services
that
we
have
has
been
built
by
the
Stanley
family
before
how
many
home
Jeff
we
have
on
in
Stanley.
A
B
M
M
This
is
the
wetland
entirely
off
site.
There
is
a
120
meter
buffer
around
the
wetland,
also
entirely
off-site
in
the
hydrogeological
and
the
geotechnical
report
that
was
produced
typically,
as
has
been
found
in
every
single
subdivision
that
we
have
done
in
Greeley,
which
would
be
about
twenty
four
phases:
700
Lots,
there's
peat
staff
saw
the
peat
we're
running
into
trouble
and
heat.
We're
gonna
find
something
here,
and
they
said
oh
this
is
this
is
possibly
a
wetland.
M
M
M
M
The
decision
of
the
board
on
that
was
to
approve
the
density
at
one
point:
zero
two
units
per
acre
to
approve
half
acre
lots
on
virtually
the
same
conditions.
In
fact,
this
site
has
slightly
hydrogeological
conditions.the,
17
pages
of
comments
that
referred
to
didn't
indicate
that
that
the
work
that
was
done
by
mr.
Walker
or
by
our
firm,
which
I
think
you'll
find
if
you
investigate,
is
considered
work
of
a
very
high
quality.
M
It
indicated
concerns
about
methodology
and
each
time
there
is
a
there
is
a
new
hydrogeologist
and
a
new
set
of
academic
concerns
that
are
very
difficult
and,
and
with
respect
very
very
concerning
to
a
board
that
has
given
a
statement.
This
is
going
to
affect
the
drinking
water.
This
is
going
to
ruin
it,
and
yet,
when
we
have
the
time
to
deal
with
the
facts
uniformly,
the
decision
comes
down
so
recently
we
just
did
this,
and
my
question
is:
why
are
we
going
to
do
this?
M
All
over
again,
we
just
had
a
decision
of
the
Ontario
Municipal
Board
on
the
same
facts
that
said,
1.2
0
units
per
acre
is
safe.
In
these
circumstances,
so
I
have
lived
in
Sunset,
Lake
sink
really
for
22
years
in
my
well
is
60
feet.
Deep
I
am
living
in
the
most
densely
populated
area
of
the
village.
Up
gradient
of
me
are
homes
that
are
over
50
years
old.
My
own
neighborhood
is
mature.
My
family
of
six
is
drinking
the
water,
the
water
tested
this
summer
and
my
well
had
no
detectable
nitrates.
M
You
would
think,
then,
that
the
water
from
all
these
septics,
including
50
year
old
septics,
would
gather
in
the
pond
in
front
of
my
home
and
would
be
a
cesspool.
The
water
in
that
lake
tested
this
summer
had
no
detectable
nitrates.
These
are
the
same
conditions
that
are
uniformly
found.
We
have
15
ponds
in
700
Lots
in
six
developments
in
greeley.
These
are
this
is
the
data
that
is
produced.
What
is
produced
supporting
the
objections
that
we're
hearing
is
conjecture.
M
It's
not
data,
it's
an
academic
analysis
and
when
the
when
it
gets
to
the
board
as
the
board
called
it
a
diligent
critique,
but
mr.
Walker's
opinion
is
the
one
that
does
the
well
test
the
well
tests
in
the
area
to
the
north,
which
is
at
one
point.
Four
units
per
acre
have
a
maximum
at
the
property
line
of
20%.
Of
the
allow
fully
built
out
fully
matured
20%
off
site
to
the
north.
The
wells
on
site
have
virtually
no
nitrates.
The
water
moving
off
this
site
is
moving
south
and
east
out
of
the
village.
M
The
density
is
one
acre,
one
of
the
one
of
the
lowest
densities
we've.
Yet
to
approve
so
I've
dealt
with
wetland,
I've
dealt
with
hydrogeology
the
question
last
one:
is
we
can't
go
against
staff
I
understand
you've
got
staff
they've,
given
the
opinions
got
conservation
authority.
The
question
ought
to
be
at
this
point:
how
can
we
disregard
the
opinion
based
on
the
very
conclusive
research
done
on
site
by
mr.
Walker?
Mr.
Walker
is
the
one
that
was
here
in
o3
and
well
before
that
that
that
reviewed
the
report
after
the
development
of
freeze
of
Greeley.
M
That
said
this
is
safe.
His
opinion
is
behind
every
single
one
of
the
700
lots,
plus
the
hundred
on
the
Stanley
farm
800
Lots
that
support
and
subsequent
performance
have
demonstrated
not
conjecture.
Subsequent
performances
demonstrated.
These
are
safe.
I
asked
you
to
this.
Might
conclude
it
good
a
confirm.
The
lot
size
is
subject.
Is
his
grandfather
be
accept?
The
report
of
mr.
Walker
see
accept
the
report
of
mr.
McKinley.
The
approve
the
draft
conditions
have
been
supplied
to
stuff
and
I'll.
Take
any
questions.
Thank.
M
Have
700
Lots
in
six
communities
they're
approved
in
phases,
so
there
would
be
approximately
twenty
four
phases.
They
would
go
through
hydrogeological
report
and
then
a
subsequent
performance
report
for
each
phase
release
the
performance
reports
typically
show
and
have
difficulties
in
the
well
reports.
In
other
words
mentioned.
This
is
a
year
after
we
have
performance.
I
have
well
reports
going
22
years
after
the
original,
no
nitrates.
M
H
B
B
B
H
H
Just
for
the
record,
I
cannot
support
staff
and
their
position
on
this
report.
I
live
on,
half
acre
myself
and
I
live
in
the
subdivisions
that
mr.
Anderson's
been
talking
about,
and
I
know
that
what
the
water
of
my
quality
of
my
water-
oh,
it's
great
and
I'd-
never
have
an
issue
again.
I'm,
not
scientist.
H
I
do
wanna.
I
was
going
to
talk
a
lot
about
the
lot
sizes,
but
I
guess
as
staff
and
I.
We
agreed
on
to
disagree
on
150
OPA
versus
76.
My
objection
was
to
this
subdivision
not
be
built
on
state
Lots
because
of
the
I'm
tired
of
seeing
OMB
ruling
on
us
all.
The
time
really
lost
its
identity.
We
do
not
have
Main
Street.
We
may
not
have
we're
trying
to
put
a
bike
lane
to
connect.
So
again
we
have
connectivity.
We've
been
working
hard
with
staff
wood
developer.
That's
the
only
reason.
H
That's
the
only
way
we
could
do
it
right
now
we're
putting
three
million
dollar
Park
at
Parkway
and
banks
it
and
none
of
the
people
can
enjoy
it.
We
have
to
go
through
different.
We
have
to
cross
roads.
We
because
you're
not
well
thought
out
so
I
mean
that
I
cannot
I
do
in
a
work
with
the
developer
and
I
know.
Probably
if
we
spend
some
more
time
with
the
developer,
the
I
see
I
see
in
it,
and
there
is
an
evidence
that
we
did
work
with
to
inform
yes,
the
environment.
H
H
For
half
a
half
acre
law
was
so
what
the
sir
with
private
services
so
I,
don't
know
why
in
this
case,
this
subdivision
could
not
work
if
there's
a
hundred
acre
lot
and
reporting
hundred
entries,
so
it
meant
every
criteria
on
size
law
that
we
asked
so
for
this
chair
I
cannot
support
the
staff
on
this.
Thank
you.
B
B
I
think
that's
probably
the
argument
that
you
hear
today,
but
at
the
same
time
sometimes
that
time
allows
things
to
get
through,
and
then
you
get
to
avoid
the
OMB,
because
we
can
come
to
a
conclusion
like
we
did
with
the
Quinn
firm
and
I
realize
that's
a
pilot,
but
nonetheless
it's
still
an
approved
subdivision.
So
I
think
that
I
think
had
we
been
able
to
find
some
more
time
to
have
staff
work
with
the
developer
on
some
of
these
issues.
B
I
think
maybe
we
could
have
come
to
a
different
conclusion,
but
since
the
item
was
forced
its
way
to
to
our
agenda
staff
had
no
choice
but
to
put
forward
the
recommendation
to
refuse
and
and
I
will.
I
will
be
supporting
that
as
well,
because
I
think
at
this
point
we
haven't
been
able
to
come
to
a
proper
conclusion
as
to
to
how
we
move
forward
and
how
we
address
the
concerns.
I
mean
you
look
at
the
report.
Even
the
concerns
of
the
community
are
similar
to
the
concerns
set
by
the
city.
B
Planning
planning
is
unique
right.
We
have.
We
have
people
that
say
that
communities
say
that
all
planners
do
is
give
developers
everything
they
want.
We
have
developers,
let's
say
that
staff
don't
do
enough
to
help
them
get
what
they
want.
So
it's
a
very
unique
situation,
whether
there's
two
different
sides-
and
we
don't
say
we
don't
always
come
to
come
to
conclusions.
We
don't
always
agree
on
it,
but
nonetheless
it's
unfortunate.
B
H
B
H
A
B
You
very
much
appreciate
everyone
seeing
this
time
to
come
out
today
and
speaking
on
the
item
and
appreciate
staffs
time
as
well.
So
that's
it
for
our
regular
agenda.
We
carry
number
7
at
the
beginning,
any
in-camera
items
we
have
none.
So
we
move
to
our
open
mic
session
and
we
do
have
three
speakers,
I
believe
they're
all
related
to
the
same
issue.
B
B
So
so
our
first
speakers
that
we
have
a
couple
of
our
elected
officials
in
the
room
and
they're
both
gonna
be
speaking
to
us
today,
so
we
have
Marc
Fisher
with
the
Ottawa
Carleton
District
School
Board,
but
our
first
speaker
I'll,
invite
Lisa
McLeod,
who
is
the
MPP
for
Anna
pian
Carleton?
They
can
come
together,
of
course,.
B
Oh
I
also
mentioned
to
elected
officials.
We
have
a
third
win.
Scott's
here
as
well.
Lin
is,
is
the
trustee
for
for
the
Ottawa
Carleton
District,
School
Board
and,
of
course
mark
is
a
trustee
for
the
Ottawa
Carleton
school
for
the
difference
for
different
zones
until
no
we're
dealing
with
here
today,
all
right
so
Lisa
quite.
K
So,
thank
you
very
much
we're
here
today
for
an
issue
that
is
of
mutual
concern
for
all
of
our
constituents
in
in
rural
Ottawa,
and
that
is
the
busing
situation
as
it
pertains
to
the
consortium,
pasta
and
the
12,000
new
routes
that
they
have
put
in
for
this
school
year.
We're
not
asking
a
direct
monetary
ask
here
today,
nor
what
I
want
to
do
that
as
a
provincial
politician.
K
Well,
that
we
are
asking
is
for
your
assistance
in
working
with
also
to
explain
to
them
the
difference
that
rural
constituents
are
met
with
with
respect
to
their
commute
to
school,
with
their
walk
to
school
and
with
with
the
issues
surrounding
the
busing.
So
this
is
a
major
concern
for
my
constituents
in
the
Rideau
of
will
burn
Ward,
as
well
as
in
the
Osgood
ward,
and
this
city
has
done
a
lot
in
the
past
14
years
in
order
to
enfranchise
and
and
reach
out
to
rural
constituents
and
I.
K
Given
the
fact
that
you
do
have
the
Eric
Committee
and
you
do
look
at
at
proposals
through
the
rural
lens
and
and
and
how
we
can
best
contribute
that
to
to
the
Austin
approach
when
they're
looking
at
the
new
design
of
routes
in
in
rural
communities
and
and
the
commute
to
to
rural
schools.
So
I'll
pass
it
over
to
to
Mark
Fisher,
who
is
with
the
Ottawa
Carleton
district
school
board,
and
we're
happy
that
that
Linscott
is
as
well
here
and
she
services
part
of
my
ward
as
well.
A
constituency.
S
All
right,
thanks,
chair
thanks
committee
for
for
taking
the
time
to
to
listen
to
our
viewers.
Obviously,
as
Lisa
said,
I'm
mark
Fisher,
with
zone
7,
which
covers
Osgood,
Township,
Gloucester
self,
Nepean,
Gloucester
South
gates
for
three
three
cities
owns
roughly
fifty
thousand
constituents
with
the
English
in
English
public
school
board.
S
But
when
you
look
at
places
like
Osgood,
Township
or
Metcalf
or
Greeley,
one
of
the
things
that
I'm
seeing
that
is
is
of
grave
concern
is
that
when
you
look
at
some
of
the
arterial
roads
in
these
communities,
in
many
cases
they
the
traffic
on
these
roads
is
is,
is
significant.
The
volume
is
significant
all
times
of
the
day.
When
you
look
at
these
roads
more
often
than
not,
they
don't
have
sidewalks,
which
makes
walking
very
difficult
for
young
ones.
When
you
look
at
winter
snow.
S
Clearing
is
another
issue
that
that
has
come
up
time
and
time
again
in
terms
of
clearance
of
the
snow
on
the
road
which
which,
when
you
don't
have
sidewalks,
is
an
issue
because
you
you
have
no
margin
of
walkability
along
some
of
these
roads.
So
the
issue
that
I
have
and
I've
tried
to
bring
to
the
attention
of
the
Ottawa
Student
Transportation
Authority,
is
that
there's
a
requirement
to
look
at
some
of
these
busing
issues.
S
The
walkability
issues
in
a
different
light
in
in
the
rural
part
of
the
city,
because
what
works
in
the
inner
part
of
the
city
doesn't
necessarily
work
in
the
rural
part
and
what
I've
heard
consistently
from
them?
Is
that
we'll
leave?
If
we
have
some
special
dispensation
for
this
case
and
Osgood?
Well,
you
know
we've
got
to
have
a
policy
that
applies
across
the
city
and
I.
S
You
know,
wanted
to
make
themselves
ready
to
appreciate
that,
in
addition
to
that,
what
is
often
been
sent
to
me
is
well.
The
city
treats
this
road
this
way.
Therefore,
unless
they
change
their
determination,
we
can't
do
anything
about
it.
So
it's
it's
there's
this
funny
conversation
that's
happening
here.
That
I
think
now
requires
the
school
board's,
the
city
and
the
Ottawa
Student
Transportation
Authority,
which
is
a
separate
and
independent
board
to
perhaps
come
together
and
talk
about
some
of
these
issues
and
I.
S
Think
walkability
and
busing
is
a
starting
point
and
and
and
I
think
there
are
certainly
other
issues
where
there
there
needs
to
be
some
like
mindedness
around.
You
know,
planning
and
sharing
services,
but
I
think
walkability
is
certainly
the
first
one
that
has
come
to
my
attention
where
I
think
there
there
are
some.
You
know
clear
lines
of
you
know
synergies
between
what
we
do
as
a
school
board.
What
the
city
does
and
I
think
what
Boston
should
be
doing.
So
with
that
all
closed
I.
K
Never
been
accused
of
being
too
quiet
either.
So
the
I
think
there
are
some
natural
synergies,
as
trustee
Fischer
has
pointed
out,
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
would
really
benefit.
My
constituents
and
our
mutual
constituents,
it
is,
is
maybe
perhaps
creating
a
meeting
between
the
two
chairs,
as
well
as
the
appropriate
transportation
officials
between
not
only
the
consortium
but
also
the
City
of
Ottawa
and
and
explaining
to
them
the
situations
that,
as
trustee
Fischer,
has
talked
about
and
looking
at
some
options.
K
One
of
the
things
that
are
the
the
our
school
boards
have
been
getting
very
good
at.
Are
these
walking
school
buses
and
perhaps
that
there's
an
opportunity
there
to
restore
some
of
the
busing
for
some
of
the
families,
but
also
ensuring
that
during
the
warmer
months,
so
there
are
options
that
aren't
going
to
be
very
costly,
but
but
I
think
it's
important
for
us,
as
as
politicians
in
the
area
to
have
the
conversation
with
us
using
the
city's
data
and
using
the
city's
planning
methods.
B
T
Thank
you
I'm
one
of
the
concerned
parents
I'm
in
Metcalfe.
Back
in
March.
We
got
the
letters
that
the
kids
are
going
to
be
walking
within
a
1.6
kilometers
zone
I'm
just
on
the
outskirts
of
the
Metcalfe
line.
So
I
did
a
quick
calculation
and
did
a
measurement
two
different
ways
and
I
was
over
that
amount.
T
Then,
when
I
got
in
touch
with
austa,
they
have
my
son's
walking
up
a
city
path
that
cannot
be
maintained
during
the
winter
because
there's
a
a
wooden
bridge,
but
because
it's
a
city
path,
that's
how
they're
to
get
to
school.
So,
therefore,
I
am
in
the
walk
zone,
because
that
will
bring
me
within
that
walk
stone,
but
the
way
that
they
actually
have
to
walk
is
excuse
me.
They
have
to
go
through
the
original
village
footprint
there.
You
have
to
go
through
three
roads
where
the
road
is
actually
only
6.5
meters.
T
It
was
designed
for
horse
and
buggy,
not
for
city
plows.
If
they're
walking
down
those
streets-
and
there
is
a
city
plow,
they
have
nowhere
to
step
on
they'll,
be
on
somebody's
property
or
in
snow
banks.
It's
actually
an
art
to
see
this
snow
plow
removers
do
the
snow
removals
down
those
small
roads,
so
Austin
is
basically
back
at.
We
use
city-data
you're
in
the
walk
zone.
Deal
with
it.
So
that's
when
I
started
to
get
counselor
Drewes,
and
you
know
mrs.
McLeod
and
mr.
T
Fisher
involved,
try
and
help
me
get
to
for
them
to
realize
that
we
are
the
city.
We
don't
have
the
lights.
That's
another
thing:
they
will
only
have
three
streetlights
and
a
1.8
kilometer
walk
from
the
school
to
my
home.
We
don't
have
street
lights
like
we
do
in
the
city,
so
there
are
a
bunch
of
concerns
and
I'm
not
and
I'm.
T
Also
here
on
behalf
of
a
lot
of
parents
and
Metcalfe
and
in
it's
good,
we're
currently
do
have
a
petition
going
I
couldn't
get
it
here
on
a
formal
basis,
but
it
is
a
very
big
concern
for
us
in
our
rural
community
so
yeah
and
it's
both
for
its
Catholic
in
the
public
or
right
beside
each
other,
the
school.
So
the
all
the
kids
have
to
walk
through
the
same
vicinity.
I.
A
A
G
I
could
opine
about
my
feelings
about
Austin
for
quite
a
long
time
and
I'll
happily
do
so
for
at
least
a
few
minutes.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
your
presentations
and
I
have
to
agree
and
would
go
one
step
farther
that
even
their
treatment
of
walkability
in
the
urban
area
is
far
from
sufficient,
especially
for
a
primary
aged
crime
or
aged
children.
The
rules
on
how
to
get
roads
designated
as
a
hazards
are
not
at
all
clear.
G
G
They
hire
public
relations
firms
to
try
to
convince
people
that
what
they're
doing
is
a
good
idea
and
hire
professional
lobbyists
to
come
to
City
Hall,
to
tell
us
that
what
they're
doing
is
great,
which
I
found
quite
unfortunate,
that
they
would
invest
their
money
that
way
and
so
I
wholeheartedly
agree.
One
of
the
fundamental
challenges
I've
seen
this
year
is
that,
because
there
is
not
alignment
between
the
two
budget
years,
the
city
runs
a
January
to
December
budget
year.
G
G
A
B
B
Similarly,
I
know
that
in
one
of
their
reviews
in
Mannatech
they
did
actually
expand
the
hazard
zone.
They
created
a
new
hazard
zone,
so
they
were
receptive
in
some
cases,
I
see
from
the
review
for
a
Medcalf.
That
outcome
was
no
changes
to
the
maps
required,
even
though
they
were
right
right
in
front
of
that
they
have
the
list
of
concerns
that
were
brought
forward
during
their
their
their
reports.
So
I'd
be
happy
to
see
coordinated
meeting
with
that
with
Vicky
Kiriakou
to
discuss
these
issues.
B
H
You
mr.
chair
and
I
just
want
to
echo
both
of
my
colleague,
counselor
Blair
and
counselor
morphic
on
this
issue
and
I
want
to
thank
actually
Lisa
our
MPP
Lisa
McLeod
and,
of
course,
mr.
Mark
Fisher
for
being
here.
Of
course,
also
the
DES
parents
and
I
know
Lori
is
here
on
behalf
of
lots
of
resident
in
our
world,
not
just
only
one,
but
you
it's
a
working
day.
Not
all
of
them.
H
They
are
here
and
they
understand
is
not
a
city
issue,
but
collectively
when
we
decided,
we
need
to
do
something
as
a
rural
and
that's
why
I
asked
them
to
come
here
today
to
speak
about
it,
because
even
the
City
of
Ottawa,
the
way
we
do
business,
we
have
implication
on
anything
to
do
in
a
rural
and
I
think
sense.
Multi-Mission
the
city
of
ottawa
demonstrated
that
we
could
work
with
urban
and
rural
and
Greenbelt,
and
we
we
could
deliver
to
our
resident.
H
It
doesn't
matter
where
they
are
base
is
as
good,
not
just
as
good.
The
City
of
Ottawa
is
one
of
the
biggest
city
in
Ontario,
so
I
just
want
to
thank
all
of
you
for
being
here
today
and
I'm,
really
looking
forward
to
work
with
the
chair
and
I'm
thanking
my
colleague
that
accepted
that
we
need
to
voice
our
our
resident
concern
to
let
them
know
that
even
the
City
of
Ottawa
does
business
different
at
the
rural
area
at
Google
than
than
the
urban,
and
we
talked
about
streetlights
safety.
H
B
L
B
No
plants,
no
plans
to
expand
any
roads
in
your
I.
Don't
think
well.
Tim's
gonna
make
sure
that
we
tell
people
about
when
we
build
roads
through
pools.
So
that's
he
was
taking
that
direction.
So
that's
it
for
my
session
notices
a
motion
for
consideration
subsequent
meeting,
seeing
none
inquiries,
I
do
caster
degrees.
Has
an
inquiry
Thank.
H
F
H
B
I'm
well
aware
of
that,
as
that
is
my
work,
so
if
we
can
project
coordinated
updates
at
the
next
committee
meeting
on
that
on
that
item,
I
kid
right
now,
but
we'll
just
wait
so
and
then,
in
terms
of
a
year,
update
earlier
status
reports.
Of
course
I'm
on
that.
So
is
a
counselor
Bladesman
on
that
study
group
from
last
term
and
I'm
sure
we
can
coordinate
a
report
from
Bruce
Finley
on
to
update
that
as
well.