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Agriculture and Rural Affairs Committee - Wednesday, February 4, 2021 - video stream
Agenda and background materials can be found at http://www.ottawa.ca/agendas.
A
So
it
is
time
for
us
to
to
start
our
meeting.
I
see
we're
all
all
here
on
the
screen.
Thank
you
very
much,
folks
called
this
meeting
to
order
for
agriculture
and
rural
affairs
committee,
thursday
february
4th
2021,
fair
statement
republic
hearing
for
op
and
zoning
items.
This
is
a
public
meeting
to
consider
the
proposed
comprehensive
official
plan
and
zoning
bylaw
amendments
listed
as
item
3
on
today's
agenda.
A
A
E
F
A
A
We
do
have
a
presentation-
rural
ontario
municipal
association,
municipality
connectivity,
road
map,
and
for
that
reason
we
invited
the
council
of
lieber
as
the
chair
of
the
I.t
subcommittee,
but
they
will
come
back
to
the
presentation.
Momentarily
item
number
two
from
planning
infrastructure
and
economic
development
planning
service
item
number:
two:
is
the
high
social
impact
projects
program
that
the
agriculture
and
rural
affairs
committees
recommend
council
receive
this
report
for
information?
A
Received.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
Item
number.
Three
will
hold
item
number
three,
as
that's
four:
four:
nine:
seven
o'keefe
court.
We
have
three
presentation,
one
from
our
staff,
one
from
miss
susan
brown,
smith
and
from
orchard
state,
the
community
association
and
also
from
andrew
glass.
The
properties
group
applicant.
A
So
we'll
hold
item
three
item
item
number
four
is
the
public
works
and
environmental
service
department,
parks,
forestry
and
storm
storm
water
service
and
item
four
is
faulkner
municipal
joint
amendment,
the
in
the
engineers
report
we
have,
but
we
do
have
two
delegations
to
speak
on
this
report.
So
we'll
hold
item
number
four,
so
we'll
go
to
item
number
one
and
it's
a
presentation
from
from
roma.
I'm
going
to
ask
our
clerk
to
to
share
the
screen
and
put
the
presentation
on
the
screen.
If
you
don't
mind,
thank
you.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
I
tried
to
be
brief
about
this,
but
this
is
a
very
important
to
all
of
us.
I
think
lately
we're
all
receiving
daily
email
about
the
e-learning
and
e-health
and
the
lack
of
strong
broadband
in
the
rural
area
next
and
and
roma.
Just
for
our
colleague
roma
is
is
the
rural
ontario
municipality
association.
A
We
we
work
together
with
amo,
aimo
represent
444
municipality
in
ontario,
and
roma
is
a
function
to
deal
with
our
rural
rural
issue
in
ontario
and
obviously
we
all
know
ottawa,
80
percent
of
otherwise
in
the
rural.
For
that
reason,
we're
always
being
participant
in
roma
almost
every
year,
and
I
want
to
thank
councillor.
The
rules
usually
attend
roma
alongside
myself.
Next
slide,
please
a
little
bit
about
this.
As
I
mentioned,
roma
and
you
know,
working
together
with
emo
ammo
is
a
non
paris
and
not
for
profit.
A
A
We
should
have
good
broadband
service
and
we've
been
working
together
with
both
level
of
government
and
as
we
you
know,
last
year
the
federal
government
announced
funding
for
connectivity
and
what
they
call
it
the
last
mile-
and
I'm
not
here
as
a
technical
person,
but
I
just
want
you
to
know
we
work
together
with
our
local
mp
in
in
in
our
community.
Also
roma
worked
with
with
the
government
and
this
file
alive
even
during
pandemic.
That
was,
the
topic
were
talked
about
the
most,
even
this
year's
more
than
other
years
about
that.
A
You
know
the
lack
of
broadband
service
to
you
to
the
rural
area
and
and
when
you
know-
and
sometimes
we
hear
also
from
our
colleagues,
not
necessarily
in
the
rural
area
we
heard
about
them,
counselor
harder
more
than
once
said.
I
can't
have
my
video
on
in
the
morning.
If
I'm,
if
I'm
at
home
in
bad
haven
so
and
bar
haven
is
not
a,
you
know,
obviously
is
a
high
density
area.
A
So
broadband
issue
is
right
across,
I
would
say
across
the
city,
if
it's
you
know,
and
across
a
lot
of
small
municipality
and
and
and
there's
that
chart,
I
don't
want
to
read
it
for
you,
but
you
can
all
see
the
health,
the
education,
the
leisure
entertainment
all
these
connectivities.
We
need
next
slide,
please.
A
A
So
here
what
the
recommendation?
The
actions
on
that
telco
build
better
relationship
with
municipal
government
share
information
more
consistent,
so
I
don't
want
to
read
it,
but
this
is
what
we
are
looking
for,
if
it's
too
cost
prohibitive
to
build
an
area
of
need,
do
not
you
know,
there's
other
technology.
A
The
use
of
the
utility
hydro,
one
or
hydro
ottawa
utility
pole
use
the
right
airway
for
from
the
city
of
ottawa
and
what
else
this
city
can
help
to
provide
and
that's
why
we're
looking
for
economic
development
to
to
be
helping
us
to
respond
to
some
of
those
requests
coming
from
other
next
slide?
Please.
A
And
here's
determine
what
role
municipality
can
play.
Obviously
I
spoke
a
little
bit
too
soon
about
this,
but
this
is
clearly:
let's
you
know
the
advocacy
side
that
the
municipal
own
broadband
network
and
and
how
could
we
help
so
we
get
so
many
requests
from
a
company
looking
for
a
letter
of
support
from
the
mail
and
the
rural
councillors,
how?
How
could
we
maximize
that
role
of
us
and
how
can
we
we
help
them?
A
You
know,
obviously
the
municipality
don't
have
the
money.
The
federal
government
and
the
provincial
government
are
put
together
toward
improvement
for
broadband
broadband
services
in
the
rural
municipalities,
but
nevertheless
we
have
a
role
to
play
and
I
like
that
role
to
be
to
be
clear
so
to
all
of
us.
A
A
A
This
is
in
addition
to
the
600
million
agreement
with
the
salsa
to
secure
advanced
low
earth,
orbital
capacity.
Next
and
again,
the
other.
As
I
said,
the
applications,
the
wrapped
response
was
due,
I
think,
not
january
50.
I
believe.
Oh
sorry,
yes,
the
rest
of
the
program
due
february
15
with
the
project
to
be
completed
by
march
31st
2027.
A
A
C
A
That's
my
last
flight.
Thank
you
very
much
cat
for
running
there
and
I
see
councillor
harder,
put
her
hand
up,
but
before
we
go
to
council
harder,
I
was
wondering
if
chris
cope
did.
I
miss
anything
because
obviously,
we've
been
working
with
you
very
closely
with
roma
and
all
the
information
did.
I
miss
anything
from
my
presentation.
A
D
Yep
just
want
to
see
if
lily,
maybe
mutes
her
her
mic.
No,
and
thank
you
very
much
for
the
presentation.
The
the
rural
broadband
connectivity
issue
is
a
really
frustrating
one.
I
actually
just
did
a
quick
speed
test
sitting
here
in
hintonburg
and
with
three
adults
in
the
house.
Most
of
us
are
on
zoom.
At
the
same
time
I'm
getting
280
megs
per
second
download
and
21
up.
You
know
the
the
disparity
between
what
is
available
in
the
rural
areas
and
in
the
urban
areas
is
is
often
very
striking.
D
The
city
has
actually
begun
to
do
some
of
that
work
with
rights
away
folks
to
ensure
that
when
providers
want
to
bring
things
like
fiber
out
to
the
rural
areas
that
we're
trying
to
facilitate
that
in
the
governance
review,
something
that
councilor
moffat-
and
I
worked
on
last
term
of
council,
where
small
providers
were
having
a
difficult
time
getting
municipal
access
agreements
to
hang
their
equipment
on
our
polls.
We've
we've
now
delegated
that
to
staff,
to
try
to
to
avoid
the
council
vote
and
to
try
to
ensure
that
that's
moving
more
quickly.
D
We
have
polls,
we
have
conduits,
we
have
a
utility
company
in
in
hydro
ottawa
that
has
expertise
trying
to
ensure
that
we
are
leveraging
those
assets
as
best
we
can
to
ensure
rollout.
I
know
our
it.
Staff
have
been
extraordinarily
busy
for
the
last
year,
just
trying
to
ensure
that
you
know
our
corporation
is
able
to
work
from
home
and
they're
they're
scrambling
to
keep
our
partners
afloat
in
terms
of
I.t
connectivity.
H
H
X.0
I
mean
in
a
city
that
has
the
best
of
the
companies
in
canada
and-
and
second
you
know,
second
only
in
it
to
to
silicon
valley
in
the
states
and
with
the
opportunity
there,
surrounded
by
dark,
fiber
that
hydro
ottawa
has
laid
and
and
all
the
technology
that's
in
there
5g
I
mean
I
don't
know
why
we
haven't
been
chosen
other
than
the
fact
we're
the
nation's
capital,
and
we
tend
to
be
punished
for
that.
Sometimes
you
know.
H
H
We
should
have
a
piece
of
that,
because
we
have
an
incredible
setup
that
we
can
use
in
the
heart
of
our
city
in
the
geographic
center
of
ottawa.
It's
quite
amazing,
so
keep
plugging
away.
Somebody
will
make
a
breakthrough
someday,
invest.
Ottawa
chris
will
tell
you
works
extremely
well
and
has
a
lot
of
expertise
in
this
area,
as
well
as
the
staff
that
work
with
them.
So
I
think
the
more
people
we
have
looking
for
those
opportunities
in
that
funding,
the
the
sooner
it
will
happen.
I
Thanks,
I
was
almost
aghast
when
jeff
said
that
he
gets
280
up.
There
was
a
day
in
the
fall
where
I
was
one
up
one
down.
That
was
the
service
level.
I
was
getting
so
I
I
have
you
know.
I
live
in
a
more
remote
area,
so
I've
been
working
with
different
providers
and
I
know
exploring
that's-
been
I've
actually
upgraded
within
exploring
it
to
better
service
now
because
they
are
expanding
their
their
service
offering
in
the
area
storm
as
well.
I
I
spoke
with
bell,
intend
to
intend
to
reach
out
and
speak
with
rogers
and
tell
us
too
just
focusing
on
that.
You
know
we
have
a
lot
of
customers
and
we
all
do
in
the
rural
area
that
we
that
constantly
reach
out
to
us
about
these
issues.
So
you
know
any
work
that
roma
can
do.
I
know
amo
does
a
lot
of
work
on
this
front
as
well,
but
anything
that
that
can
be
done.
Exploring
that's
currently
looking
at
the
the
the
grant
program
to
provide
better
service
throughout
rural
ottawa.
I
You
know
I
personally,
whoever
the
service
provider
is
I'm
not
really
too
concerned.
What
I
care
about
is
that
we
we
do
what
we
can
to
get
the
best
service
possible
for
our
constituents
across
this
city.
We
often
do
get
left
out.
I
know,
there's
the
eastern
ontario
resource
network,
that
that
is
doing
a
one
gig
project
ottawa's
left
out
of
that.
So
it's
you
know
they're
kind
of
doing
their
thing
together
and
then
we
have
to
sort
of
focus
on
our
own
because
we're
part
of
that
bigger
city.
I
D
You
chair,
I
know
that
when
we
were
chatting
prior
to
this
meeting
and
when
we
are,
we
have
something
ideas
about
an
opportunity
to
partner
with
the
city,
lend
us
some
of
their
resources,
potentially
some
of
their
grant
money
to
sort
of
explore
this.
But
they
were
really
looking
for
a
point
person,
a
city
staff
member
that
could
be
the
point
person
and
I
know
we
were
both
hoping
that
that
could
be
identified.
So
is
that
mr
cope,
or
is
that
still
yet
to
be
determined.
A
Well
in-
and
I
I'm
not
sure
if
mr
willis
on
the
call
I
did
speak
with
mr
willis
and
if
there's
a
direction
here,
I
am
preparing,
I
would
I
would
introduce
it
after
we
hear
from
all
my
colleagues
you're
right
what
what
we
are
missing
all
along.
You
got
an
email
from
a
resident.
You
know
asking
so
many
questions,
we're
not
technical
people.
The
best
thing
to
do.
We
always
do
send
it
to
chris
cope
the
scope.
You
know
work
with
our
staff,
we
we,
you
know.
A
So
that's
what
we
look
and
there's
so
many
so
many
opportunities
out
there,
whether
from
the
federal
government
or
the
provincial
government
or
the
private
service,
counselor
moffat
talk
about
them
like
we
met
with
all
of
them
and
we
invite
them
to
our
award
and
we
show
them
and
we
work
with.
But
I
mean
the
end
of
the
day.
You
need
someone
to
be
a
quarterback
and
that's
what
I'm
looking
for,
and
I
know
when
we
talk
about
staff
and
in
the
city
during
the
pandemic.
Everybody
look
the
other
way.
A
You
know
they're
scared,
but
we
do
have
within
our
own
organization.
People
be
available
to
do
this
work
for
us
and
I'm
hoping
after
I
do
my
direction
and
staff
come
back
to
us
in
the
second
quarter.
We
we
have
a
clear
direction
or
position
where
we
are
in,
but
right
now,
as
we
speak
in
a
rural,
broadband
is
do
with
economic
development.
A
Innovation
technology
is
with
the
valerie
turner's
I
mean
we
need
them
working
together
and
I
think
that
two
groups
need
to
work.
But
as
far
as
I'm
concerned
my
advice
to
you,
anytime,
you
have
a
question
of
this
nature.
I
will
send
it
to
mr
co
or
send
it
to
me
and
I'll
I'll
try
to
to
help
get
to
the
answer.
G
In
the
same,
we
all
have
same
issues,
same
challenges,
but
also
counselor
shanthiri
he's
been
working
through
roma
and
the
last
five
years
to
making
sure
also
that
to
consider
arrow
when
they
put
their
planning
and
when
they
put
the
rural
grant
to
making
sure
arowa
got
some
of
it
and
the
issue
in
the
previous,
when
we
had
the
grant
for
natural
gas
or
any
other
things.
City
of
auto
were
considered
major
cities.
So
we
would
not
be
able
to
get
any
of
these
grants.
G
So
I
want
to
thank
councillor
shantiri
and
the
effort
that
his
effort
and
roma
and
amo
to
bring
this
attention
to
our
ministers
at
the
provincial
level
to
kind
of
take
a
look
at
it
because
really
like
council
mafik
mentioned,
if
eastern
ontario
had
a
specific
program,
we
are
excluded
from
it.
So
there's
a
lot
of
work
happening
behind
the
scene
and
the
city
of
ottawa.
Like
we
all
know,
we
have
major
geographically
challenging
an
issue
so
like
the
east,
south
north
will
we're
all
having
the
same
challenges.
G
So
I
just
want
to
take
that
moment
to
thank
you,
council
champion
and
thank
you
constable
moffat,
because
we
understand
the
issue
because
we
know
what's
going
on
and
I'm
hoping
throughout
the
challenges
and
who,
in
the
future,
one
that
this
grant
come
out
will
keep
advocating
for
the
resident
and
rural
ottawa
to
making
sure
to
get
some
money
out
of
that
one.
So
thank
you,
mr
chair.
J
So
I'm
sure
that
people
who
know
a
lot
more
than
me
can
figure
out
how
that
should
be.
But
I
think
it
is.
It
is
an
emergency
right
now
and
not
just
in
the
rural
areas
we're
all
through
the
city
where
we're
facing
this.
You
know
jeff
was
saying
what
he's
facing
in
in
my
home.
It's
the
same
thing
you
know,
and
so
it
is
prohibitive.
J
A
A
I
know
the
city
doesn't
have
money
and
I'm
not
asking
the
city
to
to
for
money,
but
we're
asking
the
city
to
help
those
groups
who's
coming
to
us
for
for
assistance,
whether
with
the
right
away,
utility,
anything
and-
and
I
think
councillor
deeper-
I
think
three
four
years
ago
was
trying
to
make
sure
the
small
company
also
have
a
role
to
play,
not
just
the
major
major
provider,
so
there's
direction
here
and
we
might
have
to
feel
free
to
modify
it.
But
I'm
going
to
read
it.
A
So
and
honestly,
I
put
it
in
rural
ottawa
and
I
think
it
would
be
fair
to
say
in
ottawa
without
just
that,
because
we
all
have
have
this
issue
and
I
will
take
the
warning-
and
I
will
give
it
to
the
mr
desjardins,
so
I'm
going
to
have
it
with
service
in
ottawa
without
the
ruler
and
counselor.
The
rules
is
right.
There's
also,
we
need
help
from
from
our
senior
management
to
to
always
include
ottawa.
A
So,
if
no
other
speaker
I
like
to
I'd
like
to
receive
this
presentation,
can
we
receive
it
and
with
the
direction
to
staff
and
to
come
back
to
us
in
the
q2
of
2021
for
improved
service
in
ottawa?
Thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you
very
much.
Councillor
lieber
for
joining
us
today
feel
free
to
stay.
If
you
like
we're
friendly
group.
Thank
you.
A
K
L
L
The
cedar
hill,
golf
and
country
club
and
orchard
estate
subdivision
is
located
approximately
350
meters
from
the
property
to
the
east
and
northeast
and
there's
also
an
expansion
of
a
there's,
also
a
state
law,
residential
subdivision
to
the
north
end
and
a
draft
plan.
Expansion
for
it
and
the
lands
immediately
budding
this
subject.
L
Property
would
be
conservation
lands
because
there's
some
wetlands
immediately
north
of
4497
and
there's
also
a
proposal
for
to
connect
that
future
expansion
of
the
estate
lot
with
a
public
road
that
would
go
down
between
the
subject,
lands
and
lytle
park
connecting
to
o'keefe
court.
So
their
proposal
for
a
future
city
street
to
the
immediately
west
of
lytle
park,
the
lands
surrounding
are
all
on
private
services
and
south
of
o'keefe
court
court
is
in
a
business
park.
That's
developing
and
that's
in
the
urban
area.
L
So
in
the
official
plan,
the
subject
property
is
in
the
general
rural
area
and
it
represents
so
keith
court
represents
the
divide
of
the
urban
and
rural
area
should
be
noted.
In
2008
there
was
an
application
to
this
committee
to
bring
municipal
water
to
4497
o'keefe,
which
was
approved,
and
it
remains
on
private
septic.
Next
slide,
please
so
just
this
just
gives
context
of
the
the
urban
area
to
the
south
and
the
secondary
plan,
which
is
in
place
for
the
business
park
on
the
south
side
of
o'keeffe.
L
That's
in
the
area,
nine
and
ten
secondary
plan.
That's
a
business
park
that
has
zoning
which
doesn't
permit
warehousing
next
slide,
please
so
the
subject
proposal
so
existing
today
the
permitted
uses
on
the
subject:
property
are
warehousing
light
industrial
office,
research
and
development,
tech
industry.
L
The
proposal
is
to
amend
the
exception
zone
because
it's
it
has
an
exception
401r,
which
basically
there's
a
statement
in
there
that
says,
any
single
warehouse
use
may
occupy
up
to
a
maximum
50
percent
of
the
gross
floor
area
of
any
building.
So
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
remove
that
provision
and
maintain
all
the
other
provisions.
So
all
the
other
land
uses
and
there's
also
a
holding
symbol
on
the
property
which
requires
site
plan
control
to
be
approved
before
the
h
can
be
lifted.
L
The
other
half
would
have
to
be
occupied
by
another
tenant,
such
as
a
light
industrial
use.
So
that's
a
125,
000
square
foot
warehouse
or
they
could
propose
multiple
buildings,
such
as
200
000
square
foot,
buildings
with
50
occupancy
of
being
a
warehouse.
So
that's
currently
what
the
applicant
could
could
do
next
slide.
Please.
L
L
So,
no
matter
what
the
applicant
is
going
to
have
to
go
through
a
site
plan
control
process
and
deal
with
the
lift
the
holding
provision
once
they
seek
site
plan
approval
once
we
know
more
about
the
tenant
and
the
nature
of
the
buildings
and
who
would
occupy
them,
then
staff
would
require
a
further
transportation
study
to
to
figure
out
exactly
the
users
of
the
building.
How
that
has
impact
on
on
signals
down
the
street
or
accesses
and
so
forth.
L
And
finally,
this
is
a
site
plan.
There
was
an
active
site
plan
in
2016
that
remains
on
hold,
while
the
applicant,
I
guess,
determines
what
kind
of
tenants
they
can.
They
can
bring
to
this
the
property
and
how
they're
going
to
reconfigure
the
buildings
and
so
forth.
But
this
is
one
of
their
concepts
that
they
have
developed.
A
C
C
It's
special
all
of
the
stakeholders
have
worked
together
to
create
something
that
is
going
to
work
for
everybody,
because
these
bridges
part
any
development
that's
downstream,
has
to
be-
must
not
undermine
that
rural
to
urban
transition
zone
and
o'keefe
benefits
as
a
protected
local
road
4497
is
not
an
island
unto
itself
and
any
development
there
must
be
complimentary
next
slide.
Please
4497.
C
C
This
use
has
already
been
rejected
as
non-compliant
and
does
not
fit
with
the
prestige
business
park,
world
to
urban
transition
zone.
So
what's
changed,
the
50
restriction
was
put
in
place
as
a
compromise
to
support
the
original
park
business
park,
concept
of
multi-tenant
multi-uses
that
complement
the
prestige
business
park,
and
this
compromise
must
be
respected.
C
There
is
no
net
benefit
to
our
adjacent
lands
or
our
community
from
the
zoning
amendment
and
in
fact
it
achieves
the
opposite
outcome.
Next
slide
traffic:
it's
not
the
only
concern
that
we
have,
but
boy
is
it
a
biggie?
Everyone
agrees
that
the
current
traffic
studies
are
out
of
date
and
a
poor
foundation
for
an
informed
decision.
C
This
table
shows
the
original
traffic
that
was
anticipated
with
the
property
is
four
small
to
medium
trucks
running
in
the
day,
and
that
is
vastly
different
from
15
to
16.
40
foot,
80
ton
trucks
running
at
night,
potentially
every
two
to
three
minutes,
and
that
is
what
this
zoning
amendment
will
permit.
C
So
why
would
we
remove
a
restriction,
then
incentivizes?
This
outcome,
based
on
data
that
we
know,
is
wrong.
Next
slide:
provincial
policy
statement.
The
point
of
this
this
slide
is:
is
that
a
single
tenant,
large
distribution
center
would
require
costly
infrastructure
changes,
rural
incompatibility
issues
and
development
patterns,
not
compliant
with
the
provincial
policy
statement,
and
it
is
not
guidelines
and
they
must
be
respected.
Next
slide.
Employment
area,
vision,
employment
area
vision
is
a
valuable
and
important
planning
tool.
It
informs
planning
decisions
for
the
subject
property.
C
Updating
this
vision
is
paramount
to
minimizing
impact
on
surrounding
lands.
Warehousing
is
only
one
of
many
options
that
the
developer
has
to
make
a
positive
contribution
to
the
area
and
it
is
a
jewel.
So
why
are
we
incentivizing
a
use
that
is
less
than
optimum
and
encourages
the
very
type
of
truck
traffic?
We
seek
to
avoid
last
slide
recommendation
committee.
C
You
have
the
power
to
decide
how
development
proceeds
we
employ,
make
an
informed
and
balanced
decision
with
net
positive
benefits
to
all
stakeholders,
not
just
one
and
you're
not
informed
the
traffic
date
is
out
of
date.
The
potential
long-term
impacts
are
horrific
traffic,
health,
environment
and
more
and
now
is
the
time
for
a
rock
to
show
leadership.
C
If
the
applicant
chooses
to
bring
forward
an
application
that
provides
us
all
with
sufficient
details
so
that
all
stakeholders
can
make
informed
decisions
with
awareness
of
the
impacts,
we
would
welcome
that
working
together.
We
can
accomplish
amazing
developments,
but
throwing
away
a
compromise
that
was
put
in
place
for
a
very
good
reason.
To
begin
with
is
not
the
way
that
the
good
development
should
proceed,
and
for
that
reason
the
united
states
community
association
recommends
that
you
deny
the
application.
A
A
J
Very
good,
thank
you
again,
my
name's
andrew
glass.
I
I'm
a
director
of
development
acquisitions
here
at
the
properties
group
and
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
respond
to
this
application.
You
know
this
has
obviously
gathered
a
lot
of
attention
over
the
last
few
days
seems
to
be
some
great
concern
about
the
size
of
what
we
have
here
or
what
we're
proposing.
So
I
think
the
site
plan
is
up
on
the
on
the
screen
that
you
have
in
front
of
you.
J
What
I'm
just
prefacing,
that
it
is
not
our
intention
to
develop
the
site
as
an
amazon
type,
wayfarer
scale,
type
distribution
of
warehouse.
That
has
never
been
our
intention.
We
see
the
market
opportunity.
You
know,
we
see
the
market
opportunity
here
for
smaller
light
industrial
and
warehouse
type
uses,
but
nothing
of
the
scale
that
we
see
at
amazon,
the
likes
of
which
could
include
you
know.
Plumbing
parts
suppliers,
electrical
parts,
suppliers
that
have
a
warehouse
component
together
with
an
accessory
showroom,
but
not
on
that
scale.
J
The
conceptual
plan
that
you
see
in
front
of
there
is
is
a
is
a
campus
style
development.
Comprised
of
you
know
several
buildings
totally
as
sean
pointed
out
somewhere
between
200
and
250
000
square
feet,
the
concept
plan
is,
you
know
it's
nowhere
near
the
scale
of
what
has
happened
or
is
happening
with
the
amazon,
and
they
don't
mean
to
kick
on
amazon.
J
But
you
know
if
you
look
at
that's
the
69
000
square
foot,
building
for
comparison
purposes,
only
that's
slightly
smaller
about
10
000
square
feet
smaller
than
the
loblaw
store
at
the
bar
haven,
town
center
and
the
other
buildings
such
as
the
the
19
000
square
foot.
Building
and
again
these
are
concept
right
now
that
has
the
plan
has
no
status.
It's
still
subject
to
site
plan
approval
that
building
would
be
about
the
size
of
what
you've
been
to
the
farm
boy
at
woodbridge
and
clearage.
J
J
The
proposed
campus
is
probably
comprised
of
several
buildings,
so
it's
understood
now
that
there's
a
there's,
a
motion
that
has
been
considered
to
remove
this,
this
50
cap
on
on
a
warehousing
on
warehousing
within
a
building
and
just
to
point
out
the
difference
here.
If
you
look
at
that
19
000
percent,
going
with
that
50
calf,
that's
there!
If,
if
we
had
a
tenant
that
came
to
us
and
said
like
I'll
use
like
a
westbourne
ready,
electric,
a
plumber
like
an
electrical
parts,
supplier
came
to
and
said
yeah.
J
We
need
about
19
000
feet
and
we
have
to
turn
around
and
say.
Well,
we
can
give
you
eight
and
they
go
somewhere
else.
Well,
that's
the
type
of
tenant
that
this
zoning
that
is
in
place
contemplated
and
now
with
that
cap
it
frustrates,
or
it
prevents
us
from
from
tenanting
the
building
with
that
type
of
attendant,
so
removing
that
cap
now
to
get
to
the
idea
of
get
to
some
sort
of
compromise
here
in
the
spirit
of
cooperation
that
we
understand.
J
There's
a
motion
on
the
table
where
we
have
agreed
to
a
hard
cap
on
the
size
of
any
individual
warehouse
type
tenant,
and
we,
I
think
the
hard
cap
that
we've
sort
of
come
to
is
about
eighty
eight
thousand
square
feet.
I
use
square
feet
about
eight
thousand
one
hundred
seventy
square
meters
that
gives
should
give
the
community
association
enough
comfort
that
this
is
not
going
to
be
on
the
same
scale,
anywhere
close
to
being
the
same
scale
as
a
as
a
wayfarer
or
a
amazon
type
warehouse
and
we're
in
the
spirit
of
cooperation.
J
We're
satisfied
to
live
with
that
that
compromise,
and
we
would
hope
that
the
community
association
would
would
find
their
way
to
find
that
satisfactory
as
well.
Many
of
the
other
issues
that
were
brought
up
by
mrs
brownrigg
are
you
know
things
like
traffic
that
would
be
dealt
with
at
site
plan
approval
stage.
You
know
provincial
policy
statement
issues.
You
know
the
infrastructure,
improvements
that
revolve
around
building
that
interchange
there
that
supports
this
type
of
news.
That's
what
the
provincial
policy
statement
tries
to
encourage
is
that
one.
L
J
A
I
I
What
I
find
is
that
the
opportunity
to
come
to
committee
with
an
application
like
this
gives
us
a
chance
to
address
some
of
those
concerns
from
a
larger
perspective
scale.
So
the
concern
here
appears
to
be
mainly
that.
Well,
I'm
not
going
to
say
I
don't
want
to
minimize
or
anything,
but
but
one
of
the
main
concerns
is
that
it
could
become
one
large
scale,
operation
site
on
this
on
this
property.
I
think
the
the
motion
before
the
motion,
the
proposed
motion,
the
pro's
amendment
to
cap
the
building
size.
I
C
C
Thank
you,
scott,
so
much
for
that
that
question
I
I
do
appreciate
it,
and
I
would
like
to
thank
andrew
goss
for
his
presentation
as
well
and
and
sean
moore
in
response
to
your
question.
I
think
there's
two
points
that
we
need
to
bring
forward
the
motion
and
I
have
had
an
opportunity
to
review.
It
actually
doesn't
solve
the
problem
because
the
site
is
allowed
to
be
100
warehousing.
C
That's
that's
our
current
conundrum,
so
the
size
of
the
building
is
it's
a
red
herring
and
the
intentions
of
the
developer
are
a
red
herring.
The
the
fact
of
the
matter
is
this.
Zoning
amendment,
as
currently
written,
would
allow
100
large-scale
distribution
or
warehousing
complex
and
the
building
size
restriction
does
not
achieve
the
net
benefit
outcome
that
we're
looking
for,
which
is
to
ensure
that
the
development
proceeds
in
a
manner
where
the
type
of
traffic
is
scaled
back
to
that
with
the
original
concept
for
the
site.
C
And
yes,
there
are
certain
items
that
can
be
looked
at
later
when,
in
terms
of
when
we
get
to
site
plan
and
how
the
provincial
policy
statement
will
apply
et
cetera,
but
fundamentally
what
we're?
Not
seeing
here
is
any
net
benefit
to
any
stakeholder
other
than
the
applicant
and
it's
in
and
it
actually
incentivizes
the
very
type
of
development
that
we
all
agree
is
not
optimum.
I
All
right
thanks
yeah,
it's
tough
right,
because
transportation
issues,
traffic
issues
are
are
generally
associated
with
the
site
plan
process
and
not
necessarily
with
the
zoning
process,
and-
and
I
tried
to
work
with
this
on
with
staff-
to
understand
exactly
what's
being
asked
for
here
and
understanding
that
a
building
of
let's
say
a
hundred
thousand
square
feet
could
be
built
on
this
site.
That
would
actually
be
fifty
percent
warehouse
on
one
side
and
fifty
percent
warehouse
on
the
other
side.
I
So
it's
you
know
the
fact
that
that
exists,
that
it
could
be
a
hundred
thousand
square
foot
warehouse
just
separated
in
two
with
two
different
tenants
seems
to
seems
to
be
at
odds
with
with
the
notion
that
it's
an
issue
to
remove
the
50
cap
because
it
seems
like
the
warehouse
use.
Is
there
no
matter
what
now
we're
just
seeing
that
they
want
to
proceed
with?
Maybe
just
100
of
a
building
to
be
one
tenant?
And
I
don't.
I
A
H
But
but
susan,
I
would
say,
is
one
of
the
architects
of
areas
nine
and
ten
going
back
to
the
nineties.
So
she
knows
of
that
which
she
speaks.
So
what
this
motion
does
and-
and
and
it
surprises
me-
it
doesn't
give
susan
and
her
community
what
they
want,
which
is
sustain
the
previously
agreed
to
position.
H
H
H
That
would
be
a
game
changer
for
this
at
land
as
well.
So
we
have
what
we
have
to
deal
with.
We
have
an
application
before
us,
susan's
concerns
and
susan.
I'm
just
calling
you
susan,
because
you
know
not
to
be
rude,
but
it's
just
who
we
are,
but
because
I
think
that
it
it
makes
it
better.
We
have
the
the
compliance
of
the
applicant
and
they
will
be
on
advised
and
on
on
record
of
understanding
how
important
this
land
is
to
the
integrity
of
this
community.
H
So
you
have
the
emotion
on
the
screen.
I
don't
think
that
I
need
to
read
it
out
because
you
all
can
read
yourself
and,
as
I
said,
susan
has
seen
this
somebody's
trying
to
get
me
on
my
phone
here.
I
made
the
mistake
of
coming
to
the
ward
office.
That's
why
there's
all
kinds
of
stuff
happening,
I'm
the
only
one
here,
but
it's
distracting.
H
So
I
would
ask
you
to
support
this.
I
look
forward
to
further
discussion
with
the
applicant
and
with
susan
and
when
I
think
back
to
how
we
got
with
the
to
the
original
agreement,
it
really
was
about
those
places
like
a
westboro
kind
of
a
carpet
place
or
the
rise
in
kitchen
place,
or
you
know
where
people
would
go
to
a
showroom
and
there'd
be
a
warehouse
to
that
would
deliver
to
a
high
growth
area
and
the
location
you
know,
would
serve
chem
phil
to
prescott
for
that
matter.
H
A
J
A
L
Okay,
go
ahead.
I
was
just
gonna
say,
mr
chair:
that's
correct
that
the
a
site
plan
would
come
forward
to
implement
whatever
whatever
buildings
they're
looking
to
construct,
and
we
would
require
a
update
to
the
transportation
study
at
that
time,
because,
right
now
there
is
a
2016
transportation
study,
that's
higher
levels,
showing
their
vision
of
their
multiple
buildings
and
that's
what
we're
relying
on
but
depends
on
what
configuration
and
what
uses
come
forward
with
the
site
plan.
J
I'm
just
wondering
my
concern
sometimes
is
because
miss
brown,
rick
smith,
was
citing
the
outdated
studies
being
used
to
for
this
zoning
application
that
I
have.
Sometimes.
I
think
we
do
it
backwards
that
we
should
be
looking
at
at
the
impacts
of
any
great
development
on
this
area
right
now,
what
it's
going
to
do
to
traffic
in
the
area
once
it's,
you
know
at
site
plan.
Sometimes
it
just
goes
through
because
it's
gone
through
that
stage.
J
C
C
We
have
concerns
that
if
a
zoning
amendment
is
brought
forward,
yet
the
road
infrastructure
is
really
not
there
and
it's
going
to
exacerbate
bottlenecks,
and
in
addition
to
that,
the
amendment
itself
would
undermine
the
basic
principles
of
o'keeffe
being
a
rural,
local
road.
Then
passing
this
amendment
or
or
even
emotion.
Quite
frankly,
I
don't
even
think
it's
fair
to
the
do
the
developer,
because
it's
creating
a
scenario
where
there
are
expectations
created
that
downstream
the
site
plan
may
not
even
be
feasible.
C
A
Any
other
questions
from
my
colleague
I
see
an
answer:
well
we're
going
to
vote
on
the
motion
from
chair
harder
or
counselor
harper
on
this
item.
I
believe
our
legal
staff
are
okay
with
the
referring
this
till
february
24th
council
meeting.
So
it
doesn't
go
to
council
on
february
10
before
council
24..
A
Seventy
five
point
five
square
meter
in
size
and
therefore
be
it
resolve
that
that
rezoning
report
for
four
four
nine
seven
o'clock
be
deferred
until
february
24,
2021
city
council
meeting.
They
further
resolved
that
there
is
no
further
notice.
Pursuant
to
this
planning,
subsection,
34
subsection
17.
L
D
A
D
A
D
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
very
much
folks.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
susan
and
andrew
for
for
your
presentation
and
to
our
staff
as
well.
Now
we
go
to
item
number
four
faulkner
municipal
drain,
amendment
to
the
engineers
report,
and
now
we
do
have
two
folks
delegation,
jeff
dawson,
as
a
delegate
to
speak
on
item
number
four.
D
D
D
D
A
A
D
A
I
A
H
Yeah,
I
was
actually
sending
a
text
to
counselor
moffat,
who
knows
more
about
drains
than
anybody
that
I
know
that's
ever
been
on
council.
I
didn't
get
a
chance
to
because
you're
asking
me,
but
I
mean.
Is
it
our
role,
and
I
don't
know
this?
Is
it
our
role
to
agree
that
this
is
a
fair
price
or
are
we
dealing
with?
F
Yeah,
so
the
the
allowances
are
determined
by
the
drainage
engineer
and
he's
on
the
call
as
well.
So
we
can
explain
further,
but
it's
based
on
the
impact
assessment.
It's
not
based
on
market
value,
so
there
is
a
formula
that
they
use.
This
is
the
opportunity
for
the
land
owners
to
raise
this
issue
if
they
decide
through
the
drainage
act
process
that
they
disagree
with
the
decision
of
committee
or
council.
There
are
appeal
processes
available
to
them,
but
this
is
where
these
issues
are
to
be
raised.
F
But
if
mr
robinson
is
on
the
line,
I
would
ask
him
just
to
explain
how
he
came
up
with
these
allowances
and
just
to
explain
the
allowances
is
for
a
loss
of
any
land
or
crops
due
to
the
the
construction
or
the
improvement
of
the
drain.
The
drain
is
the
communal
drain.
It's
not
owned
by
the
city,
the
farmers
petitioned
for
it
back
in
the
day.
It's
their
drain.
M
Here,
thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
yeah
this
I'll,
explain
the
process
we
use
or
how
we
come
up
with
this,
but
also
I'll
refer
to
a
document.
That's
a
guide
for
engineers
working
under
the
drainage
act,
publication
852,
which
came
out
in
in
late
2018,
but
basically
it
it
captures
what
we
have
been
doing
and
essentially
what
it
says
about
the
value
of
allowances.
M
Create
a
number
or
pick
a
number
that
may
or
may
not
be
different.
Now
you
know-
and
in
this
case
what
we
have
used
is
the
value,
the
impact
value
from
march
2020,
which
was
the
most
current
at
the
time.
We
did
the
report
so
that
we
have
used
that
throughout
the
the
area
for
all
of
the
properties
where
there
is
land
being
taken.
So
I
I
think
it's
I.
M
M
M
That's
not
classified
by
impact
as
as
farmland
which
I
consider
might
be
speculative
land
because
of
the
potential
for
development,
but
the
bottom
line
is:
we've
used
the
impact
values,
it's
a
standard
practice
we
use
and
in
fact,
in
the
same
document
I
re
referred
to
it
as
one:
it's,
not
the
only
one,
but
it's
definitely
one
of
the
recommendations.
That's
made
there
so
that
we
I
mean
unless,
unless
the
committee
was
to
give
us
specific
directions
to
with
an
amount
to
be
used
there,
there
isn't
much
that
we
can
do
to
change
that.
M
F
Andy
dave
ryan.
Here
again,
could
you
just
highlight
how
much
land
we're
talking
about
for
these
these
owners?
How
much
land
is
affected
by
this?
These
improvements,
it's
an
existing
drain.
It's
I
know,
there's
some
widening
and
a
minor
relocation,
but
can
you
just
speak
to
that?
The
actual
land
that's
being
affected
by
this?
Please.
M
Yes,
well
in
the
case
of
mr
smith,
and
I
happen
to
have
some
documentation
in
front
of
me
on
that.
It's
about
0.9
hectares
and
to
put
again
the
value
that
we
have
used,
is
17
225
dollars
per
hectare
again.
That
comes
from
impact
so
that
the
value
that
will
be
paid
to
mr
smith
is
fifteen
thousand
five
hundred
and
two
dollars
plus
there's
some
additional
allowances
for
spreading
of
the
material
which
again
there's
a
method
we
use
for
that
now
I'll
come
to
the
other
property
in
a
minute.
M
But
the
what
we
have
done
in
this
case
of
this
drain
is
is
because
it
was
kind
of
initiated
as
a
result
of
development.
In
the
area
we
have
assigned
a
very
small
part
of
the
total
cost
to
the
property
owners,
all
of
the
property
owners
and
in
the
case
of
mr
smith's
property
again
I
happen
to
have
it
in
front
of
me.
M
Sorry
29
000,
because
of
the
fact
that
the
amount
being
assessed
to
lands
is
fairly
low,
and
I
don't
think
that
that
doesn't
come
into
play
on
how
much
we
think
the
the
allowance
should
be.
We
again
we
based
it
on
on
the
impact
values.
Now,
in
the
case
of
mr
dawson-
and
I
don't
have
the
numbers
here,
his
area
that
is
involved
is,
I
think,
it's
0.33
hectares,
so
it
it
it's
again.
M
M
So
again,
we've
used
the
same
formula
as
far
as
calculating
how
much
his
allowance
is
and
then,
in
addition,
he's
also
getting
an
allowance,
we're
not
spreading
the
material
on
his
property
because
it's
the
drain
is
being
relocated
off
of
the
road
allowance.
The
reason
it's
being
relocated
off
the
road
allowance
is
that
in
that
area,
the
ditch
the
roadside
ditch,
which
is
also
the
municipal
drain,
is
up
to
three
meters
deep
and
it's
a
safety
hazard.
M
So
again
because
of
the
fact
that
the
there
isn't
a
lot
of
charge
back
to
the
individual
property
owners,
mr
dawson
will
get
a
fairly
significant
payment
directly
often
the
allowances
go
towards
balancing
off
or
or
reducing
the
amount
of
money
that
a
landowner
has
to
pay
but
say
in
this
case,
because
most
of
the
most
of
the
cost
is
being
charged
to
the
city
for
the
relocation
and
to
the
upstream
development
areas.
For
for
the
major
part
of
the
costs.
A
H
A
I
mean
okay
again
the
policies
to
follow
empath
and,
in
fact
that's
how
they
value
the
land.
I
understand
that
the
llama,
because
the
land
is
agricultural,
land
and
farmland
and
and
valued
separately,
if
it
lands
going
to
be
in
the
urban
development.
So
that's,
I
think
the
misunderstanding
that
counselor
governor
you
have
a
question
before
we
go
to
kathmandu
and
and
before
we
go
to
council
governor.
Is
mr
smith
managed
to
come
online?
E
Fight
for
the
committee,
thanks
for
the
opportunity
to
talk
here,
my
concerns
are
mainly
same
as
mr
dawson's.
This
is
not,
I
would
say
this
is
some
prime
number
one
agriculture
land
that
we're
talking
about
and,
in
my
calculations,
they're
going
to
take
4.2
acres
of
land
from
me
and
that's
something
I
can't
replace.
I
can't
buy
at
any
price
from
local
area
and
land
in
here
has
been
selling
for
around
20
000
an
acre.
E
We
figured
that
that
would
be
a
number
for
us
too,
but
we're
not
against
just
digging
the
original,
ditch
out
deep
in
it.
This
land
is,
I
think,
on
the
on
the
land
map.
It
is
not
as
good
alone,
and
it
will
no
matter
whether
you
dig
this
ditch
wider,
it
will
still
cut
in
and
we
will
lose
more
land
as
years
go
by
when
you
just
got
this
ditch
kind
of
settled
and
got
good.
E
The
sides
of
it
are
sticking
the
way
they
should
be,
but
there
is
one
hang
of
a
volume
of
water
comes
down
there
and
it
comes
at
a
very
fast
speed.
Now,
the
last
time
it
was
dug
out,
I
made
them
put
some
rip
wrap
up
on
the
end
of
my
north
end
of
the
farm
near
stitt's,
full
on
a
bit
of
a
curve
in
it,
as
there
is
a
bit
of
a
curve
in
the
road
there,
too,
at
aikens
and
and
shea
and
there's
got
to
be
something
done.
E
If
you
dig
this
up
again,
it's
got
to
be
rip
wrapped
with
something
or
some
kind
of
hydro,
seeded
or
because
I'm
only
guessing
at
this,
but
I'm
sure
that
water
is
doing
10
15
mile
an
hour
and
it's
coming
down
there.
It's
moving
because
of
the
great
grade.
That's
on
that
ditch
it's
as
you
get
deeper
and
deeper,
and
in
a
terrific
outlet
at
the
creek,
there
is
no
holding
it
back,
but
I
have
never
seen
the
ditch
flood
like
onto
our
farmland
or
anybody
else's
around.
E
This
land
will
never
be
returned
to
us,
because
the
next
generation
has
taken
over
my
daughter
and
her
husband,
and
if
you
want
to
figure
it
on
40
years
of
firm
and
that's
a
lot
of
food,
that's
not
going
to
be
raised,
and
since
this
covet
is
on
us,
it
seems
to
be.
People
are
getting
a
little
more
interested
in
where
their
food
comes
from
and,
as
I
say,
this
is.
This
is
number
one
nag
land.
E
This
is
not
swamp,
and
so,
therefore,
I
think
you
should
take
it
into
consideration
that
we
we
should
be
compensated
better
and
on
top
of
that,
the
price
of
crops
have
gone
right
through
the
roof.
This
morning,
the
chicago
border
parade
trade,
corn
prices
are
277
a
ton
and
we
normally
get
four
and
a
half
ton
to
the
acre
on
this
good
land
and
soybeans
is
678
a
ton,
and
you
know
we
get
a
ton
and
a
half
sometimes
better.
E
E
Oh,
so
I
think
I
know
you
have
formulas
and
things
that
you
work
this
all
on,
but
I
think
we
better
get
into
the
real
join
the
real
life
here,
because
what
I
tell
you
is
the
truth,
and
I
don't
know
how
epac
comes
up
with
these
numbers,
but
it's
not
this
area
at
all
and
therefore
I
hope
I've
enlightened
just
a
little
on
what's
what
the
real
world
is,
and-
and
thank
you
for
your
time.
Mr
chairman.
A
D
D
F
M
Yes,
I'm
here
and
I'd
be
happy
to
do
so.
Yes,
the
I
had
my
my
report
open
at
the
page
where
the
cost
estimates
are,
but
I
I
was
looking
at
something
else,
but
the
majority
of
the
of
the
cost,
as
I
indicated,
is
there's
a
portion,
the
lower
end,
where
we're
relocating
it
on
mr
dawson's
land
that,
because
it's
being
located.
M
We
there
is
a
presentation
if
we
want
to
put
it
up
later,
but
so
in
that
regard,
there's
a
special
provision
in
the
case
of
the
lands
that
are
being
developed
in
stittsville,
I
think
there's
17
a
b
and
d
and
then
there's
there's
20,
ef
and
h.
If
I
have
them,
which
are
the
the
17s
are
south
of
fernbank,
the
the
20s
are
north
of
fern
bank.
Is
that
we've
assigned
a
special
benefit
of
this?
M
M
A
special
benefit
to
their
properties,
and
you
know
to
to
a
large
extent
this
was
initiated
by
the
development
that's
taking
place
in
the
in
the
village,
as
well
as
the
desire
of
the
road
authority
to
to
move
the
drain
off
the
road.
So
so
that's
it's
just
a
provision
within
a
drainage
act.
Just
for
clarification
in
mr
smith's
case
is
that
the
0.9
hectares
that
is
being
allowed
for
for
basically
payment
for
the
use
of
the
land
and
not
where
it's
being
spread,
works
out
to
be
about
2.2
acres.
D
I
guess
for
clarity,
what
I'm
asking
is
we're
assigning
special
benefit
which
to
future
development
lands
in
block
17d.
Are
these
lands
that
are
already
in
the
urban
boundary?
Are
they
lands
that
are
in
the
potential
urban
boundary
discussion
that
we're
having
right
now?
What
if
these
lands
never
did
develop?
Does
that
mean
that
the
city
would
just
never
be
paid
back
for
that
portion
of
this
drainage
work.
M
D
M
D
I
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
smith
is
somewhat
right.
There's
the
the
saw
stems
the
faulkner
drain.
The
report
that
we
have
before
stems
from
development
in
the
area:
six
lands
in
stittsville
area.
Interestingly
enough,
there's
actually
a
stormwater
pond.
That
is
not
in
the
urban
area.
It
was
actually
shifted
outside
the
urban
area
into
the
rural
area,
which
equates
for
just
around
five
acres
of
land
so
that
it
wasn't
included
in
the
urban
area
for
development
purposes.
I
So
in
this
case
one
of
the
things
so
in
terms
of
cost,
you
know
we
when
we
sit
this
quarter
revision.
Do
you
have
the
ability
to
work
within
the
the
assessments
that
are
assigned
through
the
schedules
in
the
in
the
drainage
report?
Right
now,
what
I
was
suggesting
this
is
there's
there's
a
couple
things
that
play:
one
is
the
notification,
so
we,
both
mr
doss
and
mr
smith,
didn't
get
notified
as
quickly
as
we
would
have
liked
with
canada
post
challenges.
I
We've
had
the
notifications
were
sent
out
about
30
days
ago,
but
they
only
just
received
them
recently.
So,
in
a
case
like
this,
we
would
have
preferred
that
they
had
the
opportunity
to
speak
with
the
engineer
a
bit
more
prior
to
today
before
coming
to
here.
So
one
of
the
options
that
we
have
is
actually
taking
these
comments
from
both
mr
dawson
and
mr
smith
and
then
referring
the
report
back
to
back
to
the
engineer
so
that
they
can
further
evaluate
this
and
actually
have
further
discussions
with
both
these
landowners.
I
I
We
will
then
have
a
better
full
picture
of
this
when
it
comes
back
to
us
for
a
decision
and
then
should
future
issues
do
should
future
concerns
arise
still
there
are
those
those
appeal
mechanisms
in
the
drainage
act
process
which
include
quarter
of
vision,
which
is
us
and
then
also
through
the
drainage
tribunal
and
referee.
If,
if
it
came
to
that.
A
J
A
Yes,
there
is
an
I
seen
it
david
dwine,
that's
under
section
57
after
drainage
act,
they
were
allowed
to
to
to
come
to
the
court
provision
for
appeal,
but
what
what
council
marvin
making
reference
to
since
the
two
residents
didn't
get
a
proper
notification?
We
should
allow
more
time
to
go
back
to
the
to
the
engineer,
mr
robinson,
and
hopefully
they
can
come
up
with
something
otherwise
will
come
back
to
us
with
some
recommendation
for
court
provision
or
other
my
correctness
to
ryan.
J
A
A
How
much
time
do
you
need
to
come
back
or
mr
robinson
at
this
point?
Well,
that's
how
much
time
do
you
need
to
come
back
to
us
next
next,
iraq
meeting
or
maybe
further
down,
I'm
just
trying?
I
don't
want
to
put
a
pressure
on
and
to
give
an
opportunity
for
staff
engineers
and
residents
to
work
together.
F
A
I
M
I
don't
really
see
that
we're
going
to
be
able
to
do
very
much
in
that
regard,
because
again,
we've
used
this
standard
impact
information,
and
so
you
know
we'll
look
at
of
course,
I'm
just
sort
of
being
upfront.
I
I
don't
know
that.
There's
a
lot
of
room
without
some
additional
direction
from
the
committee.
A
Maybe
the
direction
to
our
staff
to
tell
us
what's
best
by
practice.
Like
I
mean
we
must
have
a
best
practice
in
the
province,
how
how
other
area
in
the
province
or
other
municipality
do
they
use
impact
or
would
they
use
market
value?
I
mean
it's
gotta
be
some
practice
out
there.
We
can
benefit
from
it
and
always
as
we
didn't
ask
you
folks,
if
you
need
a
presentation,
I'm
not
sure
if
that
would
help,
but
I
mean
we
did.
A
Staff
did
have
presentation
for
today,
but
if
we
are
waiting
till
april,
maybe
in
april
we'll
do
a
presentation
to
put
a
little
bit
more
content.
But
mr
ryan
is
there's
a
best
practice
in
the
province
about
the
compensation.
Can
you
bring
us
that,
up
with
your
report
in
april,
tell
us
how
other
municipalities
do
best
practice.
F
Absolutely
chair,
so
mr
robinson
alluded
to
it:
there's
a
guy
for
engineers
under
the
drainage
act
in
the
province,
a
provincial
guide
that
gives
them
guidance
on
how
to
do
these
into
andy's
earlier
comments.
It
is
based
on
the
impact
assessments,
not
it's
not
speculative,
on
market
value,
so
it
has
to
be
based
on
something
concrete,
so
they're,
based
on
the
impact
as
a
set
of
property
assessment,
values.
H
Yeah,
I'm
just
ki,
I'm
confused.
It
sounds
to
me
like
there's
a
process
in
ontario,
that's
being
followed
here.
I
don't
think
that
anything
that
we
wait
till
april
to
come
up
with
as
a
committee
or
as
a
council
is
going
to
change
that
unless
there
is
an
opportunity,
gentlemen,
to
gentlemen,
being
the
gentleman
that
actually
are
being
paid
by
the
city,
not
the
gentleman
who
are
farming,
the
land
for
the
two
of
you,
the
system
we
follow.
Is
it
the
system
that
ontario
dictates.
H
I
mean
aside
from
the
mpac,
I
mean
I
get
what
what
our
our
farmers
are
saying
I
mean
their
land
is
likely
worth
a
lot
more
than
impact.
That's
that
that's
an
un,
unfortunate
and
painful
fact
that
impact,
while
it's
better
than
it
used
to
be,
and
it's
you
know
working
faster
than
they
used
to
be.
But,
for
example,
you
know
mr
chair,
with
the
bias
as
an
example.
H
All
the
new
businesses
that
we
have
here
in
bar
haven-
not
many
of
them,
are-
are
giving
us
are
contributing
to
our
our
tax
base
and
that
because
mpac
hasn't
added
to
it,
so
they
will
and
we'll
catch
up
with
it.
You
know
what
I'm
saying
so,
obviously
the
mpac
would
definitely
not
have
caught
up
with
the
with
the
increase
in
the
in
the
affordability
of
land
in
our
city.
We
hear
that
from
everybody,
how
how
we've
run
our?
H
We
don't
have
affordability
anywhere
in
the
city,
and
we
heard
that
as
recently
as
from
jason
mcdonald
last
last
week
in
our
joint
committee.
So
I
don't
unless
there
they
can
tell
me
or
tell
all
of
us
that
there's
an
opportunity
for
us
as
an
individual
city,
to
change
that
I
think
maybe
a
direction
might
be
better
and
allow
the
gentleman
to
do
what
they
what
they
want
to
do,
which
is
go
to
the
appeal
process.
So
can
we
have
do
either
of
you
know
that
for
a
fact,.
A
Well,
first
of
all,
I
think
we
need
to.
We
need
to
defer
this
item,
because
one
of
the
up
one
of
the
gentlemen
didn't
notice
about
this
meet
until
yesterday
and
under
section
57
after
the
drainage
have
the
ship
been
notified
before
now,
for
whatever
reason,
canada,
post
or
other,
they
were
not
notified.
But
I
think
that
you
know
on
a
process
itself.
A
Obviously
mr
robinson
follow
the
process
being
set
up
by
the
by
the
guide,
but
if
any
changes
yeah
municipality
can
make
their
own
changes,
but
I
don't
think
we
are
able
to
do
changes
right
now,
I'm
not
flawed
regardless.
So
I
think
we
still
should
wait
and
we
should
hear
more
from
our
staff
what
other
municipality
used
for
best
practices.
H
A
I
Thanks,
I
would
simply
add
that
I
know
there's
some
some
concerns
or
discrepancy
between
the
market
value
and
the
impact
value.
One
thing
of
consideration
that
that
probably
wouldn't
have
been
an
issue
here
today
had
it
not
been
for
covid,
is
that
the
impact
assessments
that
we're
dealing
with
are
from
2016
they're,
quite
outdated.
That
was
supposed
to
get
reviewed
and
and
completed
in
2020,
but
was
pushed
off
to
2021.
I
So
we're
dealing
with
five-year-old
assessments-
and
that's
not
the
norm
in
this
province-
is
to
have
assessments
that
all
normally
these
would
have
been
updated
by
now
and
we'd
be
working
on
updated
assessments.
So,
if
we
could,
you
know
I'm
it
is
possible
that
we
could.
We
could,
you
know,
talk
in
the
meantime
with
mpac
see
if
they
have
some
information.
That
could
be
pertinent
to
this
discussion
that
could
give
us
a
bit
more
direction
on
how
we
could
properly
assess
these
lands.
I
I
get
the
challenge
with
market
value,
but
I
think
there
is.
There
is
something
that
we
should
do,
because
the
discrepancy
between
market
value
and
the
assessment
of
these
lands
is
quite
quite
severe
and
that's
after
2016
had
a
massive
increase
in
assessed
value
of
farmland
over
the
2012
assessed
value.
F
D
A
On
the
motion
carrier,
thank
you
very
much,
thank
you,
mr
robinson
and
mr
ryan,
for
helping
on
and
mr
dawson
and
mr
smith.
Thank
you
both
for
attending
today's
committee
meeting.
With
that
now
we
go
to.
We
have
open
mic
session
and
we
have
two
people
signed
up
to
to
the
open
mic
session.
Since
we
haven't
had
a
open
mic
for
quite
some
time,
we
can
just
open
mic.
We
can
just
hear
what
our
residents
have
to
say
without
any
comment
or
any
back
and
forth.
A
B
B
B
That's
it.
Thank
you.
This
quotation
might
have
given
optimism
that
the
plan
would
address
these
deficiencies,
but
any
optimism
is
soon
dashed
when
the
plan
itself
is
studied
for
rural
internet.
That
one
sentence
is
the
single
appearance
of
the
word
internet
amongst
264
pages
for
rural
transportation.
The
draft
plan
lacks
vision
and
direction
next
slide.
B
B
B
Thank
you.
There
is
significant
and
growing
interest
among
residents
in
finding
some
solutions.
A
recent
example
is
a
survey
conducted
by
the
huntley
communities
negotiation.
A
survey
focused
on
the
needs
of
carp
and
drove
responses
from
some
240
residences
residents
across
all
age
groups.
Another
study
is
being
undertaken
by
a
community-based
group,
the
rural
transportation
solutions
for
ottawa,
they're
working
to
engage
residents
across
rural
ottawa
and
we'll
be
seeking
counselors
input
to
a
survey
as
well
as
help
engaging
our
rural
residents.
Their
website
will
go,
live
shortly
and
they'll
be
launching
their
survey
this
month.
B
B
The
rest
of
the
plan
does
not
even
follow
through
with
this.
What
we
want
to
achieve
statement
direction
on
transparent
solutions
becomes
even
more
elusive,
with
the
wording
at
the
bottom
of
the
slide,
where
it
says
that
the
use
of
personal
vehicles
is
the
most
prevalent
means
of
transportation
within
and
to
and
from
the
rural
area.
That's
simply
a
statement
of
the
status
quo.
A
telling
illustration
of
the
lack
of
vision
for
rural
transportation
next
slide.
B
B
B
Moving
to
the
internet,
the
avoidance
of
this
problem
area
is
evident
by
this
sentence.
Being
the
solitary
appearance
of
the
word
internet
in
this
entire
plan,
nowhere
else
is
there
even
mention
of
how
the
shortfall
in
internet
capacity
affects
rural
residents
across
all
areas
of
quality
of
life
and
business
next
slide.
B
B
A
Thank
you,
mr
hommel.
We
have
to
cut
it
at
this
point.
You've
been
over
your
time,
but
thank
you
very
much
for
your
presentation
and
I
hope
you,
you
heard
my
presentation
earlier
about
the
rural
broadband,
but
thank
you
for
taking
the
time
to
address
the
committee.
Our
next
guest
for
open
mic
session
is
that
peter
hume
and
peter
osmonds.
I
hope
I
said
detroit
power.
Also
they
have
a
powerpoint
presentation.
K
K
K
K
If
you
can
see
the
the
large
square
is
a
farm
on
frank,
kenny,
road,
it's
4431
and
4439,
frank
kenny
road
and
it's
the
dugas
family
farm,
and
you
may
know
the
the
dugout
family,
their
long-standing
residents
in
in
the
navan
area.
I
think
the
city
even
named
a
park
after
after
them
in
1985
the
farm
was
established
and
in
1985
two
homes
were
built
and
on
the
farm
property,
a
house
for
mr
and
mrs
dugas
and
a
house
for
their
son
robert
in
2016.
K
The
farm
was
sold,
the
dugouts
family
retired
from
farming,
and
it
was
bought
by
peter
hussman,
and
you
can
see
the
red
h's
that
I'm
that
I'm
showing
you
are
the
hoosman
farm
properties.
The
main
farm
is,
is
at
the
top
along
hoosman
road.
They
also
own
the
farm
property
immediately
to
the
the
south
of
the
of
the
subject
property.
K
Unfortunately,
what
we
find
ourselves
here
is
with
the
situation
where
you
actually
have
two
permanent
houses
on
the
property
and
that
we
can
show
them
on
the
next
on
the
next
two
slides.
So,
oh,
no
sorry!
This
is
a
slide
from
1991.
Just
to
give
you
some
perspective
on
how
little
the
farm
has
has
changed.
So
that's
the
the
farm
in
in
1991,
I
showed
you,
it
was
established
in
1985.
K
The
two
houses
were
built
and
there's
2017.,
so
very,
very
similar.
So,
in
all
that
time,
none
of
the
none
of
the
properties
have
have
really
changed
the
farm,
the
property
at
the
top
of
the
the
picture
is
the
is
the
homestead
and
the
the
the
house
at
the
bottom
is
robert
dugas's
family
home
who
he
lived
in.
K
We
run
afoul
of
the
temporary
nature
of
the
of
the
home,
and
the
only
way
to
achieve
a
a
farm
retirement
on
this
property
is
to
have
one
of
those
permanent
homes
demolished
and
in
fact,
the
city
city
staff
were
very
clear
and
they
were.
This
is
the
way
they're
interpreting
the
policy
they.
They
indicated
that
if
robert
dugas
moved
from
where
he
lives
and
where
he's
lived
since
1985
into
the
dugouts
family
home
at
4431,
and
then
we
demolished
44.39,
we
would
be
able
to
achieve.
K
A
Thank
you,
mr
hume,
for
your
presentation
and
obviously
we're
not
gonna
comment
on
this
will
leave
that
we
can
ask
staff,
after
a
special
on
a
policy
site.
So
thank
you,
mr
holm,
and
thank
you,
mr
hume,
for
your
presentation,
both
of
you
any
inquiries
from
our
colleague,
the
councilor
mafia.
We're
not
commenting
on
on
a
presentation.
Are
we.
A
We
can
ask
staff
after
to
to
give
us
some
of
our
stuff
on
the
call
they
heard
the
presentation
they
can
report
to
us
later
at
the
time.
But
in
the
meantime
we
just
heard
the
presentation.
I
think
that's
how
we
did
in
the
mid
government
about
the
open
mic.
We
were
just
listening
and
if
there's
anything,
take
away
we'll
come
back
with
staff
after
okay.
Am
I
correct
chris?
Do
you
have
legal
on
the
call
miss
enter.
A
Your
information
and
that's
for
an
extra
reason
not
to
touch
something
it's
going
to
be
on
the
front
of
another
way.
We
don't
have
jurisdiction
or
for
committed
adjustments,
so
so
we're
not
going
to
comment
on
it,
but
as
far
as
policy,
I
think
we
can
have
discussion
with
our
staff
because
we
have
op
right
now
we're
working
on
may.
If
we
need
some
clarity
on
a
policy
issue,
we
can
check
with
that
after.
But
thank
you
miss
intel.
Yes,
thank
you!
Thank
you,
okay,
so
any
inquiries
or
other
business.
A
So
before
we
adjourn
that
this
is
the
I
believe,
if
counselor
support
committee
recommendation,
that
would
be
last
meeting
for
council
governor
be
a
vice
chair
of
iraq.
I
know
councillor
guy
our
stay
in
on
iraq
and
we
thank
him
for
that,
but
I
always
just
want
to
say
on
behalf
of
the
committee
and
staff.
Thank
you,
mr
vice
chair,
for
your
support
and
looking
forward
working
with
the
new
vice
chair
in
the
next
couple
of
years.