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Agriculture and Rural Affairs Committee meeting – June 5, 2015 – Audio Stream
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A
A
If
you
have
a
few
as
well
as
the
presentation,
I
just
have
to
read
a
a
obligatory
statement
sprint
now.
This
is
a
help
being
to
consider
the
proposed
zoning
bylaw
amendments
listed
as
item
5
on
today's
agenda.
For
the
item
listed
above
only
those
who
make
all
submissions
today
or
with
the
submissions
before
the
amendments
are
thought.
It
may
appeal
the
matter
to
the
entire
school
board.
In
addition,
the
application
the
applicants
may
have
to
near
the
amount
or
to
the
interior.
A
A
Proposed
turn
with
council
priorities
for
2015
to
2018
that
the
a
across
rural
affairs
committee
recommend
council
approve
appendix
English
section
3
surface.
This
is
the
term
offense
price
for
the
entire
city,
and
every
committee
will
have
an
opportunity
to
to
oversee
these
these
term
council
priorities.
If
you
notice
in
the
reports,
there
are
a
number
of
the
ones
that
deal
with
era
also
view
and
other
committees.
So
as
chair
of
Eric
I
also
happen
to
sit
on
on
the
Environment
Committee.
A
A
lot
of
are
a
lot
of
our
strategic
priorities
are
jointly
coupled
with
the
environment.
For
members
up
here
actually
sit
on
the
Finance
f-mount
Economic
Development
Committee.
There
are
some
items
there
that
also
have
a
correlation
between
between
the
two
and
then
I
know
that
myself
and
George-
and
we
still
on
Transportation,
Committee
I,
know
there
are
a
number
of
items
there
as
well.
So
we
do
have
a
lot
of
pretty
good
representation
from
a
closed
rule,
Affairs
Committee
on
the
various
other
committees
that
will
be
overseeing
these.
A
These
chairmen
council
priorities
and
they're
well
enough.
The
opportunities
throughout
the
month
of
June,
as
these
come
to
other
committees
for
for
discussion
and
then
force
to
effect,
go
and
to
counsel
so
I,
don't
know
if
there's
any
specific
things
that
we
want
to
hold
on
that
for
a
real
okay
to
receive
the
report.
C
B
A
B
D
A
D
A
A
Specifically,
you
want
to
talk
about.
We
can
hold
the
item
now
and
come
back
to
it.
If
you
want
to
review
it,
we
just
we
just
hold
the
item.
We're
gonna
have
a
presentation
on
the
rural
residential
land
survey,
so
you
wanna
just
come
back
to
this
after
that
presentation
all
right,
so
the
SOL
hold
the
item
and
we'll
move
on
to
the
next
step.
Then
we'll
come
back
to
that
after
you
get
a
chance
to
look
over
a
bit
more.
A
A
So
again
we
have
a
presentation
on
item
number
four,
which
is
the
rural
residential
land
survey
2013-2014
and
then
a
number
five,
so
we're
gonna
hold
that
under
five
comprehensive
zoning,
bylaw
2008
2005
2250
on
the
west
sowing
bylaw
amendments
in
this.
This
is
a
visitor
report
that
goes
both
to
planning
and
to
to
planning
into
agricultural
affairs
committee.
There's
three
specific
items
that
deal
with
in
the
rural
area:
one
is
a
minor
change
to
the
the
rural
commercial
sub
zone
12
zone.
A
One
is
a
recognition
that
a
building
was
demolished
in
2004
and
other
one
is
just
recognizing
that
we
built
a
road
that
we
haven't
yet
said
is
a
row
yet
so
it's
small
small
things,
but
there
is
some
minor
amendments
based
on
a
change
that
was
brought
forward
except
planning
committee.
You
know
what
councilor
blade
introduced
that.
E
A
So,
like
I
said
it's
a
it's,
it's
a
very
technical
nature
and
it's
a
motion
that
was
already
approved
at
Planning
Committee,
because
the
nature
of
this
report
coming
to
both
committees
has
to
be
come
through
this
as
well
on
the
amendment
okay
and
on
the
reports.
Thank
you.
So
with
the.
If
it's
the
boiler
committee
we'll
go
back
to
to
the
survey
and
the
presentation
right
now
and
then
go
to
item
2
following
the
following,
the
presentation.
B
B
B
E
B
B
B
F
G
C
That
taking
in
consideration
all
the
EPA
area,
the
train,
track
setback.
All
all
all
those
in
consideration
is
those
available
ought
to
be.
There's
like
I
know
what
we
hear
or
we
have
so
many
available.
But
then,
when
the
applicant
comes
in,
we
have
so
many
area
whether
EP
or
train,
track
right
away,
or
it's
all
that
been
taken
into
consideration.
It's.
C
A
A
Number
I
assume
were
so
we're,
including
the
three
thousand
potential
estate,
lots
and
then
I
know
that's
in
in
Richmond.
Let's
say
we
have
between
three
thousand
four
thousand
potential
lots
of
2004
tential
lots
in
in
manitech.
So,
but
are
we
still
looking
at
that
three
thousand
number
when
it
comes
to
a
state
law?
It's
including
the
settlement
that
we
made
with
Cavanaugh
at
prior
to
the
official
plan
review
last
year,
the
devotee,
oh
man,
you
know
just
on
this,
you
know.
Do
we
have
the
number
on
the
state
wants
specifically.
A
B
B
H
Sorry,
mr.
chair
the
report,
that's
before
you
provides
a
what
lot
potential
is
there
as
we
get
into
the
development
process
on
subdivisions?
There's
always
things
that
does
come
up
to
the
point
that
was
made
by
councilor
Alkatiri.
There
are,
you
know
there
are
constraints
that
come
up
that
are
not
known
until
we
get
into
the
development
review
process,
whether
it's
geotechnical
restrictions,
whether
it's
environmental
restrictions,
whether
it's
you
know
other
setbacks
from
you
know,
we've
got
setbacks
from
quarry
lands
or
mineral
aggregate
lands,
or
so
there's
other
things
that
do
come
up.
H
So
it's
what's
captured
in
that
number
is
a
potential
for
development.
That
potential
may
not
entirely
be
realized
in
the
short
term,
I
guess
into
the
line
of
questioning
bike.
I
think
councilor
bleh
there
was,
you
know
we
do
have
a
lot
of
historically
approved
subdivisions
that
haven't
had
much
activity
on
them
in
some
time.
So
just
to
be,
you
know
clear
and
upfront
there
are.
There
are
a
number
of
those
historic
subdivisions
that
do
count
in
that
number.
H
You
know-
and
it
may
be
some
time
before
those
become
developed
because
of
ownership
interests
because
of
market
realities
or
demand
in
a
particular
area.
You
know
we
have
seen
a
number
of
those
subdivisions
get
acquired
by
by
developers
that
are
intending
to
move
them
forward
in
a
more
quicker
or
a
more
more
expedited
manner
than
they
have
been
or
there's
more
activity
happening
on
a
lot
of
those
old
subdivisions
in
the
last
three
or
four
years
than
there
has
been.
H
E
Before
that,
mr.
moody
I
think
would
be
quite
helpful
to
see
a
geographic
breakdown
of
where
this
potential
is
as
councillor
Moffitt
was
indicating,
there's
several
thousand
Watson
in
Richmond
and
Metcalfe
and
manically.
Excuse
me
and
I
know.
When
I
asked
this
question
during
the
Opie
process,
I
was
told
a
grandiose
number
available
in
the
East
End
and
when
I
asked
for
mapping
of
it,
it
was
not
subdivision
approvals.
E
It
was
not
village
lots
or
was
village
Lots,
much
of
which
is
actually
actually
being
actively
farmed
and
will
not,
in
the
near
time
ever
be
considered
for
development,
and
it
was
all
possibilities
for
severance
based
on
100%
efficiency,
of
your
severance,
so
I'm
not
sure
that
those
numbers
are
realistic
and
I
think
it
presents
a
false
picture
of
that.
True
development
potential
in
our
rural
areas
and
it's
not
balanced.
E
It's
very
heavily
weighted
on
one
side
of
the
city,
which
is
not
a
good
thing
or
a
bad
thing,
necessarily,
except
when
we
consider
infrastructure
and
the
pressures
that
that
unbalance
is
putting
on
it.
So
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
to
get
a
report
back
before
the
end
of
this
year
on
the
geographic
distribution
of
this
potential
and
exact
exactly
how
it's
accounted
for
in
terms
of
severance
--is,
historic
subdivisions
that
are
not
active.
How
much
of
it
is
actually
active
farmland.
E
A
Its
deferred
for
now
I
know
that
I
have
a
my
office.
I've
got
a
map
of
all
the
different
town
pending
in
approved
draft
plan
of
subdivisions
across
the
ward.
It
would
be
helpful
direction
to
staff.
Similar
maps
could
be
provided
to
to
all
rural
counselors
too,
so
that
you
have
those
identified
as
to
where
they
are
and
and
what
that,
what
the
the
law
it
can't
would
be
in
that
specific
area,
so
that
we
could
see
those
numbers
in
those
communities
a.
A
So
back
to
item
number
two
again,
the
term
council
parties
so
again,
I
was
speaking
briefly.
Yet
that's
what's
about
shared
items,
they
are
shared
all
of
them,
so
we
have
a
couple
strategic
initiatives,
streets
priorities
that
are
shared
between
a
cultural
affairs
committee
and
the
Transportation
Committee.
G
A
All
come
under
the
transition
mobility
section
and
then
under
sustainable
environmental
services.
There
are
three
that
are
shared
with
Environment
Committee.
There
are
water
environment
strategy
phase
to
increasing
the
forest
cover,
as
well
as
the
storm
water
management.
Retrofit
master
plan,
those
early,
the
specific
ones
that
do
deal
with
their
accuracy
are
only
five,
but
those
specific
ones
don't
have
any
questions
on
those
who
do
want
clarity
or
anything
cancellation.
Jake.
Thank.
C
You
thank
you,
mr.
chair,
and
that
mr.
box,
we
know
a
lot
of
that
when
we
talk
about
Road
specifically,
is
falling
under
Transportation
Committee,
but
obviously
that's
something.
We
hear
time
and
time
again
about
the
road
and
the
lack
of
funding,
to
say
the
least.
Even
a
couple
of
years
ago,
the
mayor's
initiative
Auto
on
the
move.
We
make
a
huge
investment
in
our
road,
but
if
you
look
in
today's
budget,
what
road?
C
It's
almost
eighty
million
dollar
less
than
what
we
had
in
that
perhaps
and
that's
creating
a
plus
short
time
after
time
with
the
increased
after
material
cost
and
the
kilometre
asked
fall
today
is
different
than
kilometer.
After
all
was
ten
years
ago,
and
we
see
we
have
less
funding
going
to
that
area.
So
it's
what
looks
like
it
is
is
we're
falling
behind
even
from
the
Army
report,
which
is
we
used
to
be
part
of
it
as
a
city,
and
we
will
follow.
C
You
know,
measuring
the
success
of
our
road
and
now
we're
seeing
that
we're
falling
under
stand.
We
did
a
huge
step
with
with
Ottawa
on
the
move,
but
now,
since
we're
going
backward
instead
of
going
forward
so
we're
we,
you
know
and
I
know
the
Transportation
Committee
will
be
talking
about
this,
but
nevertheless,
most
of
the
roads
today
is
is
in
a
rural
area.
F
D
Yeah
the
items
that
are
identified
in
the
appendices
align
directly
with
the
transportation
master
plan
that
Council
has
adopted.
I
know
that
you're
quite
correct.
There
was
a
dip
in
the
in
the
allocations
for
road
construction,
because
the
road
projects
were
accelerated
over
the
last
term
to
to
minimize
the
the
impact
in
terms
of
transportation
throughout
the
city,
while
the
yell
RT
construction
was
going
on
through
to
2018,
but
certainly
an
item
I
can
discuss
with
you
further
with
the
treasurer
end
with
annual
okay.
C
That
policy
has
changed
on
in
this
area,
and
I
asked
the
treasurer
and
I'll
ask
you
again
if
we
are
to
make
any
changes,
I
like
to
address
the
private
approach,
which
is
the
entrance
to
people
in
the
rural
area,
especially
I.
Remember
in
Wisconsin
we
pay
a
fee
and
with
the
development
charge
on
this
at
the
township,
to
maintain
those
private
approach.
C
Now
in
2003,
I
think
the
policy
has
changed
and
in
lieu
of
no
longer
taxing
that
their
song
warrant
and
in
that
area
we'll
just
you
know,
people
will
take
care
of
their
own
culvert.
Now
we
seem
we're
going
back
to
that
approach,
so
my
question
is
going
to
be,
and
I
will
continue
asking
the
same
question.
What's
going
to
happen
for
the
private
approach
for
those
people
who
already
paid
the
township
of
the
time
to
maintain
those
culvert
maintenance
and
and
functioning.
C
Well,
Dixon's
here
and
I
already
I
already
I
left
you
in
the
parking
lot,
so
he
got
a
heads
up
then
more
than
he
did
but
and
I
know
is
going
to
go
to
a
public
consultation
and
I
know
that
we're
going
to
be
speaking
about
this
more
than
once,
but
I
mean
it's
not
just
a
rural
area.
To
my
knowledge,
there's
some
in
the
urban
area.
They
have
the
private
private
approach
and
that
policy
was
changed.
My
biggest
concern
is,
if
you're,
going
to
change
that
policy.
D
C
As
I
see
here
on
on
I'm
paying
to
126,
we
talked
about
the
water
inviting
strategy
and
then
you
talk
about
the
storm
management.
So
obviously
that's
something
we're
going
to
see
some
work
done
within
2015,
16,
17
and
18.
So
if
you're
taking
the
wrote
to
the
show
about
talking
to
their
communities
before
any
changes
or
my
correct.
B
Element
that
will
be
a
part.
Thank
you.
There
will
be
a
part
of
their
water
and
wastewater
rate
structure.
There
will
also
be
public
consultation
involved
in
those
other
two
initiatives
that
you've
spoken
up,
so
there
will
be
provide
lots
of
opportunity
to
hear
from
the
public
on
all
three
of
those
different
initiatives.
Okay,
thank
you.
E
So,
just
a
Dixon
just
to
follow
up
on
what
councillor
anterior,
which
was
getting
into
so
as
part
of
this
process.
We
will
also
be
reviewing
our
service
standards
because
I
think
that's.
The
key
is
that
we
need
to
look
at
the
service
standards
in
terms
of
ditch
maintenance
and
and
the
private
approach
for
new
replacements.
B
F
B
E
B
A
service
level
review
and
will
not
be,
but
if
there
were
decisions
that
were
reached
previously
and
agreements,
those
have
to
be
taken
into
consideration
when
we're
looking
at
the
basis
around
which
services
are
allocated.
So
there's
a
bit
of
a
nuance:
difference
between
the
service
level
review
in
my
mind
and
the
basis
upon
which
costs
were
allocated
previously
and
I'm,
trying
to
separate
those
into
two
separate
buckets.
If
I
may.
A
Thank
you,
I,
don't
want
when
this
issue
comes
up.
Of
course,
all
the
time
I'm
sure
you're
hearing
that
now
and
even
I
know
I
haven't
even
up
with
someone
that
there's
a
matter
Brook
that
even
the
same
thing
I
have
to
remind
that
individual
that
in
2003
the
private
approached
by
law
changed
and
which
makes
the
culvert
their
responsibility.
A
Fortunately,
we
have
a
bunch
of
staff
that
said,
I
used
to
work
for
your
Township
and
they
used
to
have
a
processes
has
to
how
they
did
that
and
I.
Think
one
of
the
challenges
that
we
had
when
we
changed
that
private
approach
by
law
was
that
when
residents
take
on
that
culvert
change,
there
is
no
process
for
inspection
or
for
ensuring
that
they
replace
it
the
right
way.
So
we
first
in
Sankara
all
Club
we're
currently
doing
a
survey
of
the
of
the
ditches
in
terms
of
the
elevations,
because
what
we
have
is.
A
We
have
culverts
that
are
installed
too
high,
too
low
angle
in
wrong
the
wrong
direction
so
that
it's
almost
a
reverse
flow
and
whereas,
if
we
have
a
new,
a
new
installation,
so
a
new
when
you
come
in
to
apply
for
a
new
private
approach,
we
do
inspect
those.
So
we
do
ensure
that
the
culvert
is
put
at
the
proper
grade
and
creates
the
the
flow.
A
So
there
are
some
things
that
we've
done,
that
that
that's
have
created
new
problems
and
if
we
need
I
think
we
need
to
understand
the
changes
that
came
in
2003
with
the
impact
of
those
have
been
and
also
I,
wouldn't
mind,
learning
exactly
what
the
cost
of
of
the
program
was
before.
So
after
asuma
in
2001
and
2002,
we
were
replacing
culverts
on
behalf
of
residents.
I
think
it
would
be
worthwhile
for
the
committee
members
to
know
what
were
those
costs
I
know
I'm
getting
off
topic
cuz.
This
isn't
chairman
counts
parties,
but
what?
A
What
were
those
costs
in
2001-2002
of
replacing
culverts
on
private
approaches?
Because,
if
that's,
if
that's
something
that
we
want
to
look
at
going
back
to,
and
we
need
to
know
what
we're
talking
about
in
terms
of
in
terms
of
financial
law,
finance
constraints.
Is
that
something
that
we
can
find
because
I
know
in
speaking
to
the
guys
that
used
to
work
in
rehab
Township.
It
wasn't
many,
maybe
15
a
year,
so
I'm
not
sure
what
it
was.
Citywide
2001-2002
I.
B
A
I
think
that
information-
that's
that's
worthwhile,
to
have,
especially
for
me
through
other
processes
through
this
process
through
this
year
and
next
year,
to
understand
the
impact
and
if
we
want
to
look
at,
you
know
using
a
different
approach
to
to
reinstate
that
kind
of
a
program
like
we
need
to
know
what
the
with
the
cost
Center.
So
I
appreciate
that
Dixon
thing
any
other
questions
on
chairman
council
parties
and
we
have
the
the
environmental
forces
as
well,
includes
the
increased
force
covered
I
see,
do
Barclays.
A
B
E
B
A
Watch
I
know
one
of
the
key
things
and
we
dealt
design
with
splice
chair
Barney
lost
chair,
one
of
the
key
things
that
the
city
is
doing
in
battling.
The
emerald
ash
borer
issue
is
that
we
aren't
replacing,
let's
say
one
species
with
entirely
another
species,
so
in
situations
no,
if
the
Vista
one
of
the
biggest
challenges
we
had
was
that
we
had
to
go
and
cut
down
every
single
tree
on
the
road.
A
So
in
future
cases
when
when
we
do
that
we're
planting
six
or
seven
different
species
of
trees
on
that
road,
so
that
if
a
future
situation
came
up
like
Dutch,
elm
or
like,
and
will
for
that,
we
don't
see
such
devastation,
like
we've,
seen
right
now
with
the
emerald
ash
borer
so
on
on
surfer
can
surprise
any
other
questions.
Are
we
good
all
right
so
carried
on
item
number
two,
so
on.
A
So
yeah,
let's
just
assume
that
that
councillor
Therese
figured
out
how
to
use
his
mic
and
said
that
it
was
okay
for
me
to
go
ahead
with
my
with
my
motion
so
that
the
rules
of
procedure
be
waived
due
to
the
fact
that
say
this
is
always
a
this
has
to
do
with
the
installation
of
stop
signs
on
roe,
Democratic,
Road
and
complete
any
associated
works
required
to
establish
a
four-way.
Stop
control
configuration
at
that
intersection.
A
The
reason
why
I'm
asking
for
ROS
procedure
be
waived
is
this
something
I
been
working
on
for
a
little
while,
but
just
haven't
got
to
this
point
yet,
but
every
summer
on,
Pollock
Roe,
there's
a
summer
in
theater
camp
a
summer,
theater
swim
camp,
that's
that
operates,
and
it
does
generate
quite
a
bit
of
traffic
and
the
proximity
of
that
camp.
To
this
intersection
does
cause
some
concern
and,
in
speaking
with
residents
up
along
entirely
the
length
of
Pollock
and
the
length
of
McCourt
Oak
Road.
There
is
support
for
this
percent
support
for
this.
A
So
essentially
it's
I
don't
want
to
read.
The
whole
thing
was
a
bit,
but
yet
sorry
so
that
the
rules
procedure
be
waived.
Do
the
fact
that
the
theater
camp
is
located,
a
Pollock
will
be
running
through
July
August
and
there's
desire
for
the
four-way
stop
to
be
implemented
in
advance.
To
consider
the
following
motion.
F
A
So
onto
the
motion,
so
again
it's
it's
McCormick
and
Pollock.
What's
really
interesting
about
McWhorter
can
Pollock
is
that
for
one
reason
or
another,
the
stop
signs
are
on
the
quartic
road,
whereas
technically
they
should
be
on
Pollock
Road.
So
the
the
major
flow
of
traffic
is
the
one
that's
being
stopped.
Pollock
Road
is
is
not
being
stopped,
so
if
it
was,
if
it
was
done
properly,
the
stop
signs
would
be
in
Pollock
instead
of
a
quartic.
A
A
So
the
the
motion
here
will
call
for
a
full
4-way
stop
at
that
intersection,
so
that
just
go
to
the
the
resolution
that
the
echos
Rural
Affairs
Committee,
recommended
City
Council
approve
the
installation
of
stop
signs
on
Pollock
Road
I'm,
a
quarter
crowed
and
complete
any
associated
works
required
to
establish
a
four-way.
Stop
control
configuration
at
the
intersection.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Rishi
event,
council
juices,
now
abdicated
the
chair,
so
I
get
see
what
I
get
to
take
it
back
great
job,
great
job
I
heard
you
did
a
good
job
when
I
was
when
I
was
seconded
to
the
birth
of
my
my
son
a
couple
months
ago.
So
congratulations,
alright!
So
on
to
the
balance
of
the
the
agenda,
any
in
current
camera
items.
I
know
Guzman
the
open
mic
session
now.
Would
you
have
to
two
people
I
think
both
these
individuals
are
new
here,
I
think
for
open
mic
session.
A
G
You
mr.
chair
and
counselors
I'm
here
on
the
the
the
drainage
situation,
the
city
says:
I,
contribute
nothing
to
maintaining
stormwater
infrastructure
in
one
of
the
articles
in
this
paper,
I'm
not
going
to
get
into
the
the
well
water
and
stuff
cuz
that's
off
the
deal,
but
I
just
want
to
bring
you
up
to
speed
on
how
I
pay
for
stormwater
the
city
or
no
45
years
ago,
I
built
here
and
received
my
first
Hobbs
drain
bill
45
years
ago,
so
I
do
pay
into
stormwater
management.
G
This
is
a
municipal
drain
bill,
I
paid
also
from
my
gate,
culvert
and
insulation,
which
carries
no
water
period
in
1987
I
petitioned
to
have
the
hob
drain
extension
created
at
great
expense
to
my
neighbors
and
I,
just
to
get
rid
of
other
people's
water
being
dumped
to
on
us.
I
have
since
had
to
burn
my
property
to
keep
city
water
off,
because
the
drain
down
colony
road
cannot
handle
the
water
being
dumped
on
us.
Like
Tomlinson's,
got
a
a
permit
to
discharge
huge
amounts
of
water.
G
They
just
applied
for
a
new
permit
to
ditch,
to
create
more
water
on
us
plus
taggers
councillor
Moffat
was
at
my
place.
He
saw
the
berm
I'd
made
up
that
was
got
washed
out
a
year
ago.
My
sense
raised
at
another
foot
this
year.
We
had
no
big
runoff,
so
it's
still
intact.
In
other
words,
when
water
gets
onto
my
property,
there's
no
way
for
it
to
get
off
so
stormwater
management
that
hub
drain
extension.
All
that
that's
no
use
to
me.
What
is
there
for
is
to
get
rid
of
other
people's
water.
G
An
illegal
diversion
was
created
in
2005
from
flowing
Creek,
Yunel
rollouts,
directing
water,
Conley
and
Fluellen.
The
Robinson
report
shows
ten
times
the
amount
of
water
this
drain
was
meant
to
handle
when
they
did
a
study.
This
is
a
few
years
back
when
we
tried
to
get
the
flowing
Creek
turned
in
a
municipal
gain.
A
larger
culvert
was
installed
under
Fluellen
at
Colony,
which
I
protested
back
in
2011,
no
great
concern
to
anybody,
and
that's
up
against
the
smaller
culverts
downstream
that
the
city
did
reinstall
downstream.
G
G
We
had
roadside
meeting
May
6,
my
understanding
was
Fluellen.
Road
would
be
cleaned
out
between
the
Massey's
gate
and
on
Arthur's
place
any
of
the
high
spot
and
the
muck
that's
in
there
right
now.
There's
no
water
coming
down,
because
it's
all
held
up
the
trans-canada
trail.
I
just
took
a
bike
right
in
there
the
other
day,
and
this
culverts
are
totally
submerging
it.
On
the
south
side
of
the
trans-canada
trail
to
Beaver.
Have
it
all
blocked
up.
G
Tomlinson's
has
a
permit
to
discharge.
A
huge
amount
of
water
to
our
area
has
asked
for
another
target.
Taggart
also
charged
to
these
groups
should
be
made
to
provide
water
outlets
in
our
area.
We
shouldn't
have
to
pay
for
their
water
to
get
away
from
our
place
and
I
do
mind,
having
to
pay
to
provide
outlet
to
get
rid
of
other
people's
water
and
get
flooded
out
to
boot.
So
you
know
I've
been
trying
that
this,
since
1987
and
still
a
proper
thing
hasn't
been
done.
G
A
lot
of
negative
things
have
happened
like
the
larger
culverts
been
put
in,
that
diversions
from
flowing
Creek
to
the
flowing
Creek
or
from
flowing
Creek
to
the
hob
drain.
Extension
has
been
made
greater
because
of
the
wetland
designation,
and
you
know
that
this
water
has
gotta
be
gotten
rid
of
properly
I've,
been
applying
for
people
to
make
a
proper
outlet
somebody's.
G
Take
a
stand
and
do
the
right
thing
here:
make
an
outlet
for
all
this
water
Scot
yourself,
you're
supposed
to
have
a
meeting
with
Tom
black
to
verify
that
the
pipeline
drain
can
adequately
hold
any
water
going
down
there.
The
culvert
at
dawn
Arthur's
place,
is
3
feet
in
diameter.
The
Cobra
that
feeds
it
is
7
feet
diameter.
How
does
that
make
any
sense
right?
G
Next
to
that,
three-foot
culvert
is
a
12
foot,
concrete
box,
culvert
put
there
in
the
40s,
and
this
3
foot
called
as
far
as
I'm
concerned
is
a
dude
but
deliberate
holdback
of
water,
along
with
not
cleaning
out
the
ditch
along
Fluellen.
So
we're
not
asking
for
great
things
here:
just
get
rid
of
the
water
properly
anyway,
thanks.
A
Mike
I
I
know
that
some
obviously
myself
and
Derrick
were
there
yeah
with
you,
as
was
Chad
Finley
and
Marconi,
and
Dave
Ryan.
The
the
flow
I
mean
I
think
it
was
pretty
obvious
at
the
time
that
the
flow
was
not
being
held
up
along
Fluellen
under
the
culvert,
but
nonetheless,
Chad
did
commit
to
doing
some
cleanups
along
the
Fluellen
road
would
ditch
and
we'll
have
to
follow
up
and
suppose
he
hasn't
done
that
yet,
but
I
can
I
can
follow
up
with
with
Chad
to
see
what
he
has
a
timeline.
A
G
A
Oh
well,
it
must
be
right,
so
it's
just
specifically,
obviously
there's
a
huge
difference
between
miscible
drainage
and
stormwater
drainage,
in
that
municipal
drainage
is,
is
designed
to
drain
private
property,
and
your
right
is
paid
for
by
private
property
owners,
but
it's
because
it's
designed
to
drain
private
property
and
it's
petition
for
by
private
landowners
to
provide
that
drainage.
So
that's
not
really
taking
a
consideration.
When
we
talk
about
the
stormwater
drainage,
the
stormwater
management,
the
City
of
Ottawa,
you
look
up
the
road
from
you.
A
I
know
it's
not
directly
in
front
your
house,
but
recently
we
would
have
done
some.
Some
ditching
works
along
along
Fluellen
Road,
just
to
the
west
of
your
place
as
you'd
as
you
head
towards
towards
monster
Road
that
works,
those
works
there
would
have
been
charged
back
to
environmental
services
departments
from
Public
Works,
which
means
that
no
one
on
Fluellen
actually
paid
for
those
work.
So
that's
that's
what
we're
talking
about!
We
talk
about
stormwater
management,
another
example.
My
house
feeds
into
a
storm
water
drain
in
front
of
my
house.
A
Vernon
is
all
on
stormwater
drains
on
run,
underneath
the
road
this
this
summer.
We're
replacing
the
storm
water
management
system
under
Reda,
Valley,
Drive,
Thru
cars
residents
in
the
rural
area-
don't
pay
for
those
except
for
residents
in
richmond
because
they
get
water
and
sewer
bills,
so
they
pay
for
that
work.
But
but
that's
that's!
That's
the
crux,
the
situation
that
we're
talking
about-
and
you
know
it's
best
to
try
to-
and
I
you
know
in
any
explanation,
I
would
love
to
try
to
explain
Viswa
drainage
and
the
other
thing
and
and
and
stormwater
management.
A
G
I,
don't
want
I,
don't
I
just
want
to
verify
the
municipal
Jane
house
doing
an
extension
that
I
had
done
in
87
that
wasn't
to
get
rid
of
my
water.
That
was
to
get
rid
of
the
water
being
collected
and
overflowing
on
to
me
that
couldn't
get
away,
we
didn't
create
the
water.
This
is
from
highway.
7
chambers.
A
It's
still,
it's
still
private
property,
it's
still.
It's
still
water
and
private
property.
The
municipal
drain
is
on
private
property.
There
are
situations
where
every
switch
means
to
go
long,
road
allowances,
but
for
the
most
part,
municipal
drains,
aren't
private
property
and
then
are
paid
for
by
the
private
property
and
landowners.
Well,.
A
Fair
I,
don't
have
anything
else,
but
I'll
follow
up
with
Chad
Finley
about
the
about
the
cleanup
along
that
ditch
and
I
am
supposed
to
meet
with
I
did
speak
to
the
TransCanada
folks
about
the
drainage
there.
They
they
reiterated
what
Tom
said,
but
I'll
still
still
touch
base
with
Tom.
So
I
can
go.
Take
a
look
at
it
myself.
Personally,
mm-hmm.
I
I
am
okay,
yes,
good
morning
mr.
chairman
and
councilors
and
I
want
to
speak
on
two
items
today,
and
the
first
is
something
you
and
I
have
talked
about
through
through
email,
and
that
is
the
opportunity
to
have
some
of
the
Iraq
meetings
in
the
evening
and
I
know.
You
said
it
depends
on
me
on
the
agenda,
but
there
may
be
more
people
that
would
show
up,
depending
on
whether
it
was
in
the
evening
or
not.
I
I
still
do
get
the
occasional
feedback
from
people
saying
that
they
would
like
to
see
the
meetings
in
the
evening
and
there's
no
guarantee
that
there
would
be
more
people
showing
up
then,
but
based
on
will
be
discussions
that
we
had
in
February.
Following
the
government's
review.
There
was
a
suggestion
that
we
would
have
suddenly
evening
and
I
just
think
it
would
be
nice
if
we
did
have
some,
particularly
in
the
summer,
so
that
was
item
one
now.
I
The
second
one
was
some
related
to
the
staff
report
on
the
master,
water
and
ladder
and
I
do
appreciate
the
feedback
that
I
got
from
you
and
also
the
heads-up
that
this
had
nothing
to
do
with
me
doing
well.
So
the
like
that
we
didn't
understand
that
and
also
the
discussion
that
I
had
doubly
but
was
yesterday
with
councilor
else
on
Terry.
It
has
become
a
clearer
I.
Think
it's
it's
a
little
bit
more
complex,
I.
Think
then
anybody
thought
to
indicated.
Stop
so
I
I
guess
one
of
the
triggers.
I
The
only
Authority
was
that
there
was
a
potential
for
rates
to
change.
You
know
that
it
would
affect
potentially
all
were
residents
and
in
a
report
we
couldn't
really
say
anything
that
related
to
to
us
to
any
of
us.
I
should
say
you
have
clarified
the
fact
that
some
real
residents
do
have
sewers
and
I
understand
that.
I
But
that's
why
I
think
you
see
an
extrapolation
well
like
to
pay
for
municipal
greens
I'm
already
paying,
or
are
you
going
to
be
a
double
dipping,
so
I
I
guess?
So
we
don't
look
forward
to
the
public
consultations
and
we're
hoping
that
the
report
that
comes
out
is
broad
enough
and
clear
enough
that
people
will
be
able
to
understand
exactly
what
we
wait
to
potentially
be
charged
for,
because
it's
looking
more
and
more
like
there
may
not
be
a
charge
for
certainly
for
sewers,
but
the
culverts
and
the
dragons
are
another
another
story.
A
Thanks
very
I,
just
a
my
aunt.
Sorry
on
the
first
points
that
you're
right,
so
we
do,
we
do
have
a
commits
you
to
have
beings
and
evening
when,
when
necessary,
the
one
thing
that
I
should
point
out
that
we
wouldn't
hold
I,
don't
think
we
would
hold
an
evening
meeting
just
to
benefit
the
open
mic
session.
Because
if
you
look
back
to
previous
years,
there
wasn't
a
massive
increase
in
in
open
mic
participation,
whether
or
not
we're
in
the
evening
or
in
the
daytime
or
everyone
in
the
rural
area
or
downtown.
A
A
So
you
know
you
know:
I've
made
a
good
point
over
here
to
me
saying
that
if
we,
you
know
a
zoning
issue
or
an
issue
when
it
relates
to
the
the
waste
management
facility,
that's
a
good
mean
that
we
would
hold
in
the
evening.
So
we
can
increase
participation
to
make
sure
that
we're
we're
available
when
people
needs
to
be
available,
but
on
an
agenda
like
this
there's
nothing
in
here
that
would
necessarily
warrant
this
meeting
being
at
7
o'clock
at
night
versus
10
o'clock.
A
Because
then
all
these
people
have
to
come
out
of
7
o'clock,
which
you
don't
want
to
pay
them
to
come
here
at
7
o'clock.
So
but
yet
so,
there's
no
question
that
we
are
open
to
having
these
meetings
in
the
evening.
You
know
we
purposely
move
this
meeting
to
Friday,
so
we
can
maintain
this
location.
We
had
looked
at
bumping
it
up
to
choose
dear
Monday,
but
this
wasn't
available
and
she
was
near
Monday.
I
didn't
want
to
go
back
to
City
Hall
with
a
meeting.
A
I
want
to
stay
in
Ben
Franklin
place,
but
certainly
in
the
future.
I
will
be
looking
at
at
every
agenda
whenever
it
comes
forward
and
sharing
those
items
and
basing
the
time
the
start
time
for
the
meetings,
whether
it's
were
summer
or
winter.
To
be
honest
with
you
to
make
sure
that
we're
being
as
as
open
to
our
residents
as
possible
and.
I
I
mean
I,
do
appreciate
having
a
meetings
here.
I
know,
I
still
get
some
comments.
Why
is
it
not
in
the
rural
areas
but
I
personally
appreciate
having
them
here?
I
think
that
living
a
West
Carlton,
where
I
always
find
I,
have
to
die
further
than
everybody
else.
I
know
that's
not
the
reality,
but
it
just
feels
like
that,
especially.
A
I
can
guarantee,
on
the
other
subject
that
every
member
of
this
committee
is
going
to
be
pretty
pretty
heavily
involved
in
in
in
the
stormwater
process,
going
forward
as
to
how
we
do
it
I
remember.
If
you
go
back
to
amalgamation
time,
hamsun
consulting
brought
forward
a
report
that
suggested
there'd
be
an
urban
levee
in
a
rural
levy
from
one
way
up,
for
whatever
reason,
the
transition
board
at
the
time
didn't
adhere
to
that,
and
they
just
stuck
it
all
on
the
tax
rate
or
on
the
story
on
the
rates
on
the
rate
budget.
A
So
you
know
why
did
I
don't
know,
but
these
are
the
things
what
we
looking
at
set,
but
at
that
time
they
had
looked
at
a
two-tiered
sort
of
sort
of
rate
structure.
I
think
that's
probably
fair,
maybe
even
going
to
the
the
urban
or
the
transit
rate,
which
is
a
three
structure,
would
be
would
probably
be
more
fair
but
set,
but
we'll
be
looking
at
that
as
we
go
forward
and
appreciate
your
involvement.
Thank.
F
B
F
Want
to
thank
you,
mr.
chair,
and
thank
you
very
much
for
being
here
this
morning.
I
just
want
to
assure
you-
and
we
did
this
speak
to
our
resident
when
we
changed
the
location,
because
it's
very
sensitive
for
our
rural
area
and
I
want
to
echo
my
colleagues
concern,
but
these
meetings,
when
the
agenda
is
not
happy
and
there
is
only
staff-
it's
better,
more
productive
to
have
it
in
these
places.
But
anytime
there
is
public
consultation
and
anything
it
related
to
any
issue
in
the
world.
F
A
F
F
Therefore,
yep
the
requirement,
through
there
risen
south
nation
source
water
protection
plan
to
complete
septic
inspection
on
a
private
septic
systems
within
wellhead
protection
area.
And
where
is
the
auto?
A
septic
system
office
is
equipped
to
conduct
these
inspections
and
will
be
completing
them
an
order
municipality
and
where
is
where,
as
cost
of
these
inspections
within
other
municipalities
are
being
offset
by
provincial
grants,
which
larger
municipalities
such
as
Arawa
are
not
eligible
for,
therefore
be
resolved.
F
That
staff
will
be
directed
to
work
with
the
Ottawa
septic
system
office
to
develop
a
two-year
program
to
offset
cost
for
private
septic
system,
which
required
instruction
as
a
result
of
source
water
protection
plan
and
therefore
be
it
further
resolved
that
a
budget
for
this
program
not
to
exceed
UK
per
year
to
be
established
within
with
the
existing
budget
envelope
for
the
Rural
Affairs
and
therefore
be
be.
It
further
resolved
that
any
further
extension
of
the
program
beyond
the
initial
two-year
require
subsequent
council
approval.
They.
A
Start
by
stems
from
the
the
source,
water
protection
management
planet
that
the
three
conservation
authorities
came
up
with
recently,
of
course,
in
the
RVCA
there's
16
municipalities,
15
of
them
get
grants
from
the
province,
and
we
don't
so.
This
is
whis
is
what
comes
from
that,
so
one
other
discussion
next
month.
Any
other
notice
of
motion
see
none
inquiries,
see
none
other
business,
none
adjournments.
B
B
E
H
H
F
F
G
H
H
C
A
Just
wanted
to
call
the
Lord
of
the
quarter,
vision
for
Friday,
June,
5th
2014
for
the
purpose
of
hearing
appeals
under
Section
52
of
the
drainage
act
by
owners
of
lands
of
land
assess
for
drainage
works
under
the
engineer's
report,
entitled
amendment
to
the
engineer's
report
for
divine
missile
drain
dated
January
21st
2015
for
the
divine
use
will
drain
north
of
divine
Road.
This
Court
will
now
convene
under
the
first
sitting
of
the
Chorio
revision
under
Section
46,
the
drainage
acts.
A
There
are
no
notice
of
appeal
if
I
remember
correctly,
that's
correct
mr.
chairman,
so
any
owner
of
land
assassinated
for
who
has
not
provided
written
notice
of
appeal
to
the
clerk's
office
in
advance
of
this
hearing
should
identify
themselves
to
be
Kirk's
assistant
at
this
time.
With
a
request
to
be
heard,
does
anyone
wish
to
be
heard
on
the
divine
pistol
drain,
seeing
none.