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Agriculture and Rural Affairs Committee - Agenda 22 - Thursday, May 6, 2021 - live stream
Materials can be found at http://www.ottawa.ca/agendas
A
Okay
good
morning,
everyone
and
welcome
to
the
agriculture
and
rural
affairs
committee
meeting
thursday
may
6
2021.
Let's
read
that
statement
this.
If
this
is
a
public
meeting
to
consider
the
proposed
comprehensive
official
plan
and
zone
and
bylaw
amendments
listed
as
item
1
and
3
on
today's
agenda
for
the
items
just
mention,
only
those
who
make
oral
submissions
today
or
written
submissions
before
the
amendments
are
adopted
may
appeal
the
matter
to
their
local
planning
appeals
tribunal.
In
addition,
the
applicant
may
appeal
the
matter
to
the
local
planning
appeal
tribunal.
A
If
council
does
not
adopt
an
amendment
within
90
days
of
recipient
of
the
application
for
a
zoning
120
days
for
an
official
plan
amendment
to
submit
written
comment
on
these
amendments
prior
to
the
consideration
by
the
city
council
on
may
12th,
please
email
or
call
the
committee
or
council
coordinator,
so
this
meeting
is
held
by
zoom.
We
all
know
the
drill.
Please
stay
on
mute
till
you
ask
to
speak,
use
the
raised
hand
and
the
bottom
of
your
screen
and
with
that
I'll
I'll,
ask
mr
desjardins
to
take
crow
call.
Mr
desjardins.
B
A
So
a
declaration
of
interest
see
none
confirmation
of
minute
minute.
21St
meeting
of
4th
of
march
2021
of
agriculture
and
rural
affair
committee
is
the
ministry.
Okay.
Thank
you
we'll
go
through
the
consent
agenda
and
then
we'll
come
back
to
the
held
item
plan
and
infrastructure
and
economic
development
plan
service.
Zoning
by
law.
Amendment
5564,
william
mcewan
drive
item
number
one
that
the
agriculture
and
rural
affairs
committee
recommend
council
a
proven
amendment
to
zoning
by
law.
A
2008-2504
5564,
william
mcewan,
prohibit
residential
development
on
the
retain
farmlands
and
permit
to
reduce
lot
width
of
20
meter
on
the
server
land,
as
detailed
in
document
two
document,
two
that
the
agriculture
item:
two,
the
agriculture
and
rural
affair
committee,
approve
the
consultation
detail
section
of
this
report
be
included
as
a
part
of
the
brief
explanation
on
item
number.
One
is
a
carry
okay.
A
Thank
you
item
number
two
we
have.
We
do
have
a
presentation
by
our
staff
and
that's
the
ottawa
rural,
clean
water
program,
2006
to
2020,
review
and
renewal.
So
we'll
hold
item
number
two
for
a
presentation
from
our
staff
item
number
three
is
official
plan
and
zone
in
by-law
amendment
2621
donnelly
drive
in
reader.
A
Google
item
number
one
that
the
agriculture
and
rural
affair
committee
recommend
council
approve
to
propose
amendment
to
the
official
plan
volume
1
schedule,
a
by
removing
the
significant
wetland
designation
from
the
southern
portion
of
2621
donnelly
drive,
as
detailed
in
document
2
and
b
approved
a
proposed
amendment
to
zoning
bylaw
amendment
for
a
portion
of
2621
donnelly
drive
from
environmental
protection
zone,
subzone
3
ep3
to
a
rural
countryside.
Are
you,
as
detailed
in
document
3.
item
number
2,
that
the
agriculture
affair
committee
approved
the
consultation.
A
B
A
Thank
you
very
much
item
number
four.
We
do
have
the
speakers
and
that's
amendment
to
the
engineers
report
for
the
faulkner
municipal
drain,
so
we'll
hold
item
number
four.
Also.
We
have
a
presentation
from
the
oscar
youth
association
at
the
open
mic
session.
We
do
have
an
additional
item
and
this
is
a
motion
move
by
councillor
deruse.
A
It's
for
additional
item
to
the
agenda
today
that
the
agriculture
and
rural
affairs
committee
approve
the
addition
of
this
item
for
consideration
by
the
committee
at
the
sixth
may
2021
meet
in
pursuant
to
section
89,
three
of
the
of
the
procedures
by
law,
and
basically
this
is
to
do
with
the
direction
then
prepare
and
work
out
with
the
staff.
But
first,
and
can
we
add
the
additional
item?
A
Okay,
okay.
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
We
can
deal
with
this
item
by
at
the
end
of
our
agenda,
but
I
will
go
first
to
to
item
number
two
and
we
have
geraldine
wildman
and
tara
redpath
to
do
the
presentation
so
we'll
turn
it
to
do.
I
see
jordan,
oh
yes,
jardine
and
tara
they're
both
here
jealous.
We
turn
it
to
you
to
introduce
your
colleague.
B
Thank
you
counselor.
So,
today,
tara,
red
path
are
one
of
the
planners
in
my
group.
Under
natural
systems,
we'll
be
giving
you
a
brief
overview
of
the
review
that
she's
done,
which
is
a
requirement
every
five
years,
or
so
we
we
do
a
review
of
the
program
and
we're
hoping
that
you
all
continue
to
support
the
program.
It's
incredibly
important
and
our
dollars
can
stretch
very
far
out
in
the
community
on
some
of
these
projects.
So
it's
a
great
news
story
for
the
rural
area
and
I'll
I'll
turn
it
over
to
tara.
Thank
you,
chair.
C
C
C
C
Since
the
year
2000,
the
ottawa
rural,
clean
water
program
has
provided
cost
share
grants
to
farmers
right
across
the
city,
as
well
as
rural
landowners
for
projects
that
protect
surface
water
and
ground
water
quality.
The
program
offers
grants
of
up
to
fifteen
thousand
dollars
which
are
available
for
eighteen
different
project
types.
These
projects
fall
under
five
broad
categories,
which
include
nutrient
management,
soil
protection,
water
management,
land
stewardship
and
education
and
innovation.
C
The
program
is
delivered
in
partnership
with
our
three
local
conservation
authorities,
south
nation,
rito
valley
and
mississippi
valley.
The
program
was
last
renewed
in
2015
for
a
period
of
five
years,
with
a
budget
of
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
per
year,
which
is
funded
through
a
special
levy
to
south
nation
conservation
who
administers
this
program.
C
C
C
The
project
with
the
project
type
with
the
highest
intake
or
sorry
uptake
was
forest
management
plants
which
reflected
29
of
all
the
projects
completed.
Well.
Decommissioning
was
the
second
highest
type
coming
in
at
24,
with
erosion
control
projects
representing
21
of
all
projects
within
the
rita
woolburn
and
osgood
wards
erosion
control
projects,
which
are
shown
here
with
the
gold
colored
dots
were
the
most
popular
project
type
with
most
occurring
along
the
rideau
river.
C
A
high
number
of
well
decommissioning
projects
which
are
represented
by
the
lime.
Green
dots
were
also
completed
right
across
both
of
these
wards
and
the
whole
city.
In
fact,
the
highest
number
of
agri
agricultural
projects
were
undertaken
in
cumberland
war
and
these
included
projects
such
as
cover
crops,
manure,
treatment
and
storage,
as
well
as
nutrient
management
plants
within
west
carleton
march,
where
agricultural
lands
are
generally
less
productive.
Over
half
of
all
projects
undertaken
in
the
ward
were
forest
management
plans
which
are
represented
by
the
purple
colored
dots
as
well.
C
C
So
the
ottawa
rural,
clean
water
program
review
and
renewal
was
carried
out
into
in
2020.
We
conducted
interviews
with
our
conservation
authority
partners
as
well
as
the
past
program
coordinator.
We
also
sent
out
online
surveys
to
all
program
and
review
committee
members,
as
well
as
all
past
program
participants.
C
C
Although
the
program
is
promoted
through
a
wide
range
of
channels,
including
various
forms
of
print
through
social
media
through
presentations
as
well
as
events
across
the
city,
many
past
participants
felt
that
the
program
isn't
well
promoted
or
well.
Advertised
challenges
were
also
identified
at
the
program
committee
level,
where
we
have
experienced
inconsistent
participation
in
vacancies,
in
particular
from
some
agricultural
organizations.
C
C
So
I
would
like
to
highlight
our
key
recommendations
for
additions
and
changes
to
the
program.
There
are
other
aspects
of
the
program
where
we
would
maintain
the
status
quo
and
these
are
covered
off
in
document
one,
so
we
are
recommending
that
we
add
wetland,
habitat
restoration
as
a
new
project
type
to
this
program.
C
This
would
involve
the
creation
or
enhancement
of
wetlands
to
improve
water
quality,
reduce
erosion
and
reduce
flooding.
A
second
recommendation
is
to
modify
the
criteria
and
or
the
grant
structure
for
six
of
our
existing
project
types,
so
this
would
include
some
minor
updates
to
ensure
that
projects
are
maximizing
their
water
quality
benefits.
C
A
third
recommendation
is
to
enhance
the
effectiveness
and
the
efficiency
of
the
program
committee,
and
we
have
several
or
of
the
program
administration.
Sorry-
and
we
do
have
several
suggestions
for
this.
One
is
to
implement
staff
level
approvals
for
project
types
that
are
considered
straightforward.
So
these
projects
would
include
forest
management
plans
and
well
decommissioning.
C
We
would
also
so
ways
to
do
this
are
to
to
encourage
contractors
and
local
suppliers
to
continue
referring
this
program
to
to
customers
and
as
well,
to
use
social
media
more
effectively
to
tailor
our
communications
to
the
priority
project
types.
Of
course,
we
will
also
continue
to
work
with
our
rural
counselors
to
promote
this
program
through
your
channels.
C
A
D
D
I
know
this
is
program
well
well
received
by
our
community
and
our
farmer,
and
it
it's
it's
really.
It
shows
the
success
has
been
coming
to
an
in
the
past
and
I'm
happy
to
support
the
next
five
years.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
that
and
all
the
work
you've
done.
So
thank
you
and
geraldine
for
the
for
this
presentation.
A
E
C
For
sure,
thank
you
chair
for
that
question.
That
is
something
that
we
have
been
reflecting
on,
and
I
think
it's
hard
to
say
at
this
point
what
the
level
of
uptake
will
be
for
such
a
project
type
as
that
we
do
currently
have
a
category
for
the
retirement
of
fragile
land.
So
you
know
if
you
do
have
wetland
on
your
property.
You
are
areas
that
aren't
well
suited
to
agriculture.
C
There
is
a
category
that
does
kind
of
address
that
this
project
type
goes
a
bit
further
in
that
it
would
involve
actually
creating
or
enhancing
wetlands
for
habitat
to
balance
out
the
additional
funding
that
would
be
required.
We
have
made
a
recommendation
that
erosion
control
projects
should
be
that
we
would
like
to
see
priority
project
type
like
priority
funding
for
projects
that
have
more
natural
methods
of
of
repairing
erosion
concerns
and
then
also
focus
on
streams
that
are
smaller
and
that
are
and
or
that
are
on
agricultural
sites.
C
C
Yes,
well,
one
of
the
findings
in
the
review
was
that
over
half
of
the
28
programs
that
we
reviewed
across
the
province
do
have
these
types
of
wetland,
enhancement
and
creation
or
restoration
project
types.
They
do
call
them
different
things
through
the
different
programs,
but
especially
in
southern
and
eastern
ontario.
We
have
seen
quite
a
decline
in
our
wetland
ecosystems,
and
this
is
the
way.
C
E
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Congratulations,
you
know
other
hand
going
up
no
question.
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you,
tara
and
joel
dean
for
your
work
on
this,
and
it
cannot
be
more
supportive
of
this
during
the
the
floods
and
when
the
mvca
help
out
people
to
to
protect
their
property.
That
was
very
welcoming
news
and
and
we're
still
working
together
with
the
mvca
on
this.
A
So
we
have
the
item
number
one
to
receive:
the
arwa
rule,
clean
water
program,
2016,
2020,
review
and
renewal
document.
One
and
item
number
two
to
approve
the
2021
2025,
auto
aurora
clean
water
program,
as
outlined
in
this
report
and
described
in
document
one.
So
can
we
receive
and
approve
item
one
and
two.
A
F
Thank
you,
mr
chair
yeah.
This
is
the
meeting
to
consider
under
the
drainage
act
of
the
the
faulkner
report.
It
was
originally
tabled
a
couple
of
months
back
at
iraq
and
it
was
referred
back
to
the
engineer
under
section
57,
just
to
revise
the
the
allowances
which
mr
robinson
has
done,
and
there's
a
fairly
significant
increase
in
the
allowances
to
the
two
properties
in
question,
but
I'll.
Let
him
highlight
that
in
his
presentation.
B
G
So
what
the
suggestion
here
is
the
allowances
based
on
actual
land
values
using
or
the
farm
tax,
credit,
canada
and
municipal
property
assessment.
Corporation
websites,
they
say,
may
provide
guidance,
but
basically
are
ones
that
are
that
we've
been
utilizing
for
a
long
time.
I
might
add
that
the
farm
credit
canada
we
used
to
be
able
to
get
more
detail
from
them,
but
now
what
is
available
available
to
everybody,
not
just
us
is,
is
averages.
So
there
is
an
average
for
all
of
eastern
ontario,
but
it
isn't
isn't
as
specific.
G
A
A
H
H
H
H
E
H
H
Well
dated
back
to
last
year,
if
you
want,
I
don't
care
one
way
or
the
other,
it's
not
just
what
we
grow
on
it.
When
you
make
this
ditch
wider,
we
have
to
keep
back
another
three
feet,
or
so
with
machinery
you
can't
drive
a
big
combine
down
the
edge
of
a
ditch,
so
we're
losing
a
lot
more
than
what
you're
talking
about,
but
this
land
is
number
one
land.
E
H
H
Oh,
it's
a
99,
acre
farm.
If
you
take
say
three
acres
off
it:
it's
the
income.
Every
year,
that's
gone,
I
don't
mind
giving
this
land
up
for
something
that's
going
to
help
the
farmers,
but
this
is
just
for
subdividers
in
statesville
they're,
going
to
run
their
subdivision
water
down
past
us.
So
why
should
I
be
the
straight
goat
to
supply
a
bunch
of
myelin
for
them
no
way.
A
A
I
Thank
you
good
morning,
I
own
the
property
beside
the
southernmost
section
of
the
faulkner
dream,
I
researched
the
1975
engineers
report
by
aj,
graham
engineering
for
the
drain,
and
I
found
that
my
property
was
not
included
nor
assessed
in
the
report.
My
property
naturally
drained
southward
into
the
flowing
creek
drain,
not
eastward
into
the
faulkner
dream.
I
I
E
E
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
dawson.
I
don't
see
any
other
question
for
you.
Thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you,
mr
smith,
also
for
submitting
your
email
to
us
last
night.
I
just
want
to
acknowledge.
I
receive
it.
So
thank
you
with
that.
We'll
turn
her
to
colic,
asking
for
mr
question
for
mr
robinson
or
mr
ryan.
J
And
then
you
would
come
back
with
the
quarter
vision
to
discuss
specifically
the
assessed
values
of
which
the
quarter
vision
does
have
the
authority
to
change,
assessed,
values
or
assessment
story
under
the
schedule
in
the
reports
and
then,
following
that
land
owners
do
have
the
ability
to
appeal
their
reports
and
their
assessed
values
to
the
drainage
tribunal
under
omafra.
Is
that
correct.
F
Yes,
just
so,
the
court
revision
can
deal
with
assessments
to
landowners.
These
are
not
assessments.
These
are
allowances
paid
to
the
landowner,
so
these
landlords
are
actually
getting
paid,
they're
not
being
assessed.
These
are
communal
systems
where
the
landowners
pay
for
these
they
paid
for
this
drain
to
be
constructed
back
in
the
day.
So
it's
their
drain.
It's
not
the
city's
drain,
so
the
the
allowance
is
dealt
with
at
the
through
this
process
through
the
meeting
to
consider,
but
the
assessments
yeah
to
accounts
for
moffat's
point.
J
So
when
you
were
here
in
march,
obviously
there
was
a
concern,
then
that
was
raised
by
both
mr
smith
and
mr
dawson
about
the
what
we
were
basing
it
on,
which
was
mpac
assessed,
values
from
2016,
so
no
question
there
they're
outdated
and
unfortunately,
we
just
heard
in
recent
weeks
that
they're
pushing
off
the
the
updates
to
the
assessed
values
from
mpac
out
to
2022,
but
we
were
able
to
obtain
some
new
information
which
allowed
us
to
come
up
with
a
higher
a
higher
value.
To
then
provide
a
greater
allowance.
J
F
Through
you,
mr
chair,
the
industry
standard,
I'm
not
aware
of
any
the
industry
standard
I'll,
let
mr
robinson
speak
as
well,
but
the
industry
standard
and
the
the
guide
for
the
drainage
engineers
in
the
province
of
ontario
from
omafra
is
to
use
the
the
impact
values
of
the
farm
credit.
Canada,
values.
We
don't
they
don't
get
into
speculation
with
respect
to
market
values.
Andy.
Would
you
like
to
comment
further.
G
Yeah,
I'm
sorry
you
just
had
to
unmute
myself
there.
No,
I
think,
basically,
that's
that's
it.
The
problem
with
something-
and
I
guess
from
our
point
of
view-
is
we
we,
I
think,
are
required,
but
certainly
like
to
use
something
that
is,
is
available
and
is
defensible
and
that
that
basically,
an
organization
has
come
up
with
a
value
rather
than
trying
to.
I
guess
deal
with
with
something
short
of
going
to
the
extent
of
actually
having
an
appraisal
done,
which
I
I'm
not
aware
of
that
happening.
G
But
I'm
not
aware,
for
instance,
the
city
of
ottawa
has
established
such
a
value,
so
the
the
options
that
are
there,
you
know
the
primarily
the
the
impact
is
really
the
the
operative
one.
And
this
you
know
farm
assess
information
which,
as
I
mentioned,
is,
is
in
a
very
general
way
available.
So
so
I
I
think
in
principle,
I'm
not
aware
that
other
than
there
there
could
be
a
specific
situation
where
there
has
been
a
requirement
to
actually
have
a
an
assessor.
G
G
I
mean
it's
the
and
then
I
think
dave
has
pointed
out
that
the
quarter
vision
can
deal
with
assessments,
but
they
cannot
deal
with
allowances.
So
if
there
is
a
if
there
is
an
appeal
to
allowances,
it
would
go
to
the
tribunal,
but
you're,
obviously
right
if,
if,
if
the
people
who
are
being
assessed
the
cost
as
a
result
of
the
allowances,
they
would
certainly
have
the
same
right
to
to
appeal
and
to
and
to
speak
to
that.
E
Just
like
what
I
do
thank
you,
chair,
just
sort
of
following
up
on
what
councilor
moffatt
was
was
talking
to
how
wa
like
if,
if
this
was
to
be
appealed
to
a
truck.
I
I
how
often
like,
if
we
don't
deal
with
it
now,
we
and
we
put
it
off
and
we
allow
the
landowners
to
appeal
to
another.
How
often
does
that
actually
end
up
in
success?
E
I
I
would
love
to
see
us
at
iraq
do
something
to
to
protect
the
the
landowners
number
one,
because
this
is
prime
agricultural
land,
and
we
have
signed
a
document
that
we
are
supposed
to
be
protecting
agricultural
land.
We
will
be
losing
these
gentlemen
will
be
losing
the
potential
to
to
continue
to
grow
cash
crops.
E
It's
not
an
insignificant
loss.
It
is
due
to
development
and-
and
we
are
we
have.
We
have
voted
to
protect
our
agricultural
land
from
further
development,
so
I
think
it's
up
to
it
would
be
incumbent
on
us.
Whatever
the
you
know,
the
process,
I
I
understand
there
is
a
process,
but
it
has
to
start
somewhere
and
if
we
can
direct
that,
if
this
land
be
assessed
and
and
be
and
the
the
landowners
be
compensated
fairly,
I
think
this
would
satisfy
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
concerns.
E
K
Yeah
I
was
gonna,
ask
a
question:
I'm
just
trying
to
wrap
my
head
around
it.
I
I
understand
that
doing
an
appraisal
based
on
a
third
party
assessment
rather
than
mpac
is
not
the
usual
procedure,
but
my
I
just
want
to
have
perhaps
mr
robinson
check
me
on
this.
If,
for
some
reason
an
appraisal
were
to
happen,
not
use
the
mpac,
but
a
third
party
you'd
have
to
use
a
third
party
for
all
the
landowners
and
since
we're
using
a
very
prescribed
formula
that
divides
up
the
share
amount
based
on
property
value.
K
G
G
G
It's
going
to
be
the
individual
property
owners
who
end
up
paying
for
it
and
the
other
thing,
and
I
it's
not
my
place
to
make
this
decision.
Obviously,
but
you
know
to
get
an
assessment
done
on
every
dream:
if
you
set
the
precedence
is
becomes
again
another
significant
cost
to
get
an
appraiser
in
to
to
appraise
the
land.
For
if
it's
for
this
drain,
then
you
know
the
concern
I
would
have
is
not
now
sets
a
precedent
to
be
used
on
other
drains.
K
Okay,
yeah
thanks
for
clarifying
I'm
not
suggesting
at
all
that
impact
shouldn't
be
used.
In
this
case,
I
just
was
trying
to
make
sure
I
was
understanding
the
the
implications
of
of
the
suggestion
that
a
different
type
of
appraisal
was
used.
The
other
thing-
and
I
don't
know
if
there's
anyone
from
the
official
plan
team
here
or
perhaps
from
legal
who
could
clarify,
but
we
did
in
the
official
plan
as
as
councillor
meehan,
has
recognized,
put
some
protection
around
farmlands,
but
I
think
we
also
allowed
for
infrastructure,
as
an
exception
to
that.
K
L
Mr
chair,
I'm
not
certain
that
anyone
is
here
who
can
speak
to
the
official
plan.
I
would.
I
would
recommend
that
this
type
of
infrastructure
would
certainly
not
be
in
contravention
of
what
council's
direction
is,
but
we
can
review
that
for
you
and
confirm
if,
if
you
would
like
us
to
take
that
back-
and
I
can
consult
with
our
official
plan
team
just
to
confirm
that.
K
A
J
Sorry
the
motion
the
motion
was
specifically
because
I
think
I
might
have
moved
it
myself
for
cancer.
I
can't
remember
exactly
what
it
was
specifically
about
actually
not
allowing
infrastructure
in
agricultural
zones,
but
but
it
being
things
like
storm
water
ponds,
so
not
permitting
the
stormwater
pond
to
be
built
outside
of
the
urban
area
and
in
an
agricultural
area
so
that
you
could
net
more
space
in
the
urban
boundary
for
development
that
your
impacts
and
development
had
to
be
embraced
within
the
urban
area.
J
The
tough
thing
is:
that's
not
a
comparable
for
what
we're
dealing
with
right
now,
because
because
the
drainage
acts
give
status
to
these
drains,
this
is
a
municipal
drain.
This
isn't
the
first
musical
train
that
we've
dealt
with
in
this
instance.
In
fact,
this
committee,
and
in
rita
gilbert
alone
van
gaal,
monahan
arbuckle,
you
know
faulkner
is
just
another
one
of
them.
Don't
forget
the
cranberry
creek,
please
well,
cranberry
creek
is
not
a
development.
That
is,
I
mean
it's
still
on
farm
drain
for
farm
purposes,
a
whole
other
can
of
worms.
J
If
you
have
six
hours
we
can
dive
into
it,
but
yeah.
So
all
those
other
ones
I
mentioned,
though
monahan
arbuckle
and
van
gaal
are
all
impacted
by
development,
but
there's
landowner
impacts
too,
and
it's
just
not
perfect,
and
I
mean
I've.
Never
I've
never
been
one
to
look
to
the
drainage
act
for
for
fairness,
it's
not
necessarily
built
that
way.
It's
it's!
It's
a
tough
act
to
to
work
with,
and
it
doesn't
always
lend
the
best
result
in
the
end.
J
But
it's
what
we
were
it's
the
framework
we
have
to
work
within
and
it's
the
act
that
we
have
to
work
within.
It
hasn't
been
updated
since
the
1800s,
but
staff
are
following
the
the
procedures
that
we
have
in
front
of
us
through
this
act
and
coming
to
this
committee.
So
it's
it's
not!
There's
no
perfect
science
here
when
it
comes
to
dealing
with
these
things-
and
you
know
andy
when
he
speaks
to
that
precedent
setting
reality,
we
will
have
other
drains.
J
We
had
a
drain
actually
in
in
greeley
that
also
had
compensation,
and
I
think
it
was
actually
the
person
who
was
getting
compensation.
They
ended
up,
appealing
it
and
killing
the
drain,
but
but
it's
these
can
be
very
convoluted
things,
but
it's,
I
think.
Ultimately,
we
gave
direction
to
try
to
come
with
a
better
result
back
in
march.
J
E
Thank
you
chair.
No,
it
is
better,
but
it's
still
not
fair
for
the
two
landowners
who
will
be
losing
prime
agricultural
land,
and
I
I
would
take
ex
you
know
exception
to
what
mr
robinson
is
saying
about
the
state
setting
a
dangerous
precedent.
I
think
that,
on
a
case-by-case
basis,
we
can
we
can
rule
if,
if
the
landowner
is
losing
land
specifically
because
of
residential
development,
no
other
reason,
then
they
should
be
compensated
at
it
at
a
market
value.
E
If
it
has
to
do
with
other
drainage
issues
on
agricultural
land,
then
it
is
a
different
situation
and
because
this
the
drainage
act
is
not
perfect,
we
have
to
make
it
as
perfect
as
possible
for
people
and
that's
what
I'm
suggesting
that
at
this
point
we
have
to
do
better
and
if
ever
there
is
a
reason
to
do
that.
It
is
this
situation.
We
don't.
We
don't
want
these
gentlemen
to
lose
their
agricultural
like
a
portion
of
their
land,
that
it
is
not
fair.
They
didn't
ask
for
the
residential
development.
E
This
is
land
that
they
have
been
using
it's
their
land,
and
if
this
was
a
house,
it
would
be
a
different
story.
This
this
is
land
and
we
they're
not
going
to
get
it
back
once
this
drain
is
built,
and
we
know
that
and
I'm
all
about
fairness-
I
I
you
know
we
need
that.
Obviously
the
drain
is
required,
but
it's
not
because
they
require
it.
If
it
were
up
to
them,
they
wouldn't
have
it.
E
So
that's
what
I'm
saying
like
like
if
we
run
a
press,
I
think
this
is
the
time
to
do
it
and
I
don't
think
it.
It
takes
geniuses
to
say
if
someone
is
losing
land
because
of
a
development
or
not,
because
or
because
of
something
else,
there's
two
different
situations
there
and
it
they
can
be
dealt
with
separately.
A
So
what's
on
the
front
of
us
today
is,
as
we
have
from
this
from
you,
and
mr
robinson
is,
is
so.
This
is
not
an
assessment.
This
is
allowance,
so
basically
we
can
vote
to
accept
or
we
can
and
then
the
the
farmers
or
the
mr
smith
and
mr
dawson.
They
still
have
the
opportunity
to
appeal
to
the
tribunal,
but
what
other
option
do
because
we
like
any
any
allowance?
It
has
to
have
a
formula-
and
we
heard
from
mr
robinson
if
the
formula
was
used.
F
So,
mr
chair,
through
you
yeah
there,
the
committee's
options
are
basically
yes
or
no.
You
can't
direct
the
engineer
on
how
to
determine
his
allowances
that
you
don't
have
that
that
power.
So
he's
he's
an
independent
engineer.
Just
a
couple
of
points.
This
drain
is
not
a
city
drain,
it's
it's!
It
has
status,
it's
a
private
communal
system
with
legal
status
under
the
drainage
act,
these
landowners
paid
for
this
drain
because
it
benefits
their
property.
Okay,
when
it
was
originally
constructed.
That's
what
drains
do
it
provides
legal
outlet
for
their
water?
F
So
all
these
lands
do
benefit
from
the
drain.
In
this
particular
instance.
Yes,
the
subdivision
needs
improvement,
so
the
improvements
are
being
done
downstream,
so
one
property
owner's
being
paid,
some
38
000
and
another
one's
being
paid,
some
11
000,
but
the
committee's
options
again
back
to
that
point
are
yes
or
no.
You
cannot
direct
the
engineer.
A
F
Yes
and
a
lot
of
cases
chair
in
a
lot
of
cases,
landowners
are
are
assessed
and
they're
also
given
allowances.
In
some
cases,
it's
a
wash.
It
works
out
to
zero,
but
lands
benefit
from
good
drainage.
Any
farmer
will
tell
you
that
their
farms
benefit
from
this
drain,
whether
they
benefit
the
dancing
is
determined
they
aren't
benefiting
necessarily
from
these
improvements
per
se.
That's
why
they're
being
paid
an
allowance,
but
their
lands
do
benefit
from
the
drain
which
they
own
and
they
paid
for.
A
B
G
G
The
block
developments,
the
areas
of
development,
so
that
these
land
owners,
including
the
two
landowners
and
in
in
we're
talking
about,
are
getting,
are
getting
some
significant
benefits
as
well.
I
appreciate
very
much
the
concern
about
losing
the
land
and
once
it's
gone,
it's
gone,
but
I
think
it
would
it's
incorrect
to
say
that
the
total,
and
only
reason
for
doing
these
improvements
is
because
of
the
proposed
development.
A
M
G
Yeah
it's.
If
you
approve
the
report,
then
it
goes
basically
to
council
and
it
gets
first
and
second
reading
and
and
after
that
occurs
there,
there
is
the
opportunity
for
any
landowner
who
is
assessed
on
the
drain
to
appeal
it
to
the
referee.
If,
for
legal
reasons,
a
the
feeling
is
that
there's
something
wrong
legally
or
or
to
the
tribunal
on
the
basis
of
assessment,
no
assessments
or
technical
aspects,
I
might
add,
in
between
going
to
one
of
those
other
agencies.
G
There
is
the
court
revision,
but
I
think,
as
mr
ryan
has
pointed
out,
the
quarter
revision,
which
is
made
up
largely
of
iraq
or
entirely
of
iraq,
can
only
look
at
the
actual
assessments,
not
the
allowances.
So
if,
if
the
committee
was
to
approve
this
and
then
it
goes
to
council
against
first
and
second
reading,
then
there's
a
time
frame
in
which
any
property
owner
can
appeal
to
the
tribe
drainage
tribunal
in
this
regard,
if,
if
the
concern
is
over
allowances,.
M
F
So
if
I
could
jump
in
there,
so
there's
other
land
owners
that
need
this,
this,
these
drainage
improvements,
counselor
ie,
the
development,
it's
tied
to
other
approvals
that
they
have
obtained
and
require-
and
it's
also
tied
to
permits
that
the
engineer
has
obtained
through
the
conservation
authority
and
through
fisheries
and
oceans,
canada.
So
if,
if
the
answer
is
no
these
other
landowners
could
appeal
that
decision
of
council
once
it
gets
to
council
to
the
tribunal
or
the
referee,
the
drainage
referee.
A
So,
mr
ryan,
based
on
the
vice
chair's
question,
so
even
if
we
for
any
process
to
move
forward,
we
need
to
vote
on
this
and
this
item
voting
for.
Yes,
it
doesn't
mean
it's
a
done
deal.
It
means
that
whether
the
farmer
or
other
can
still
go
for
for
referee
review
or
can
go
to
the
tribunal.
Is
that
correct?
A
That's
correct,
mr
chair,
so
doing
nothing
really
it.
It
is
not
an
option
here.
Like
I
mean
it's
gonna,
it's
gonna
help
the
process
and
for
for
all
party,
because
if
we
wanna
move
forward-
and
you
have
to
create
that
opportunity-
whether
they,
whoever
going
to
appeal,
they
can
appeal
them
because
right
now,
there's
no
appeal
process.
If
we
vote
no,
so
that
means
that
report
will
be
frozen
and
know
what
will
be
done
and
then
we'll
be
challenged
for
for
not
doing
so.
Is
that
correct,
not
correct?
A
Okay,
so
so
colleague,
I
mean
whether
we
you
know.
First
of
all,
we
cannot
make
change
to
the
assessment
or
to
the
allowance
here
and
what
we
can
do
vote
on
this
and
move
forward.
Let's
go
to
council
and
if
the
the
two
farmers
or
other
feel
they
need
to
request,
review
or
appeal
to
the
tribunal,
then
that's
their
opportunity.
G
K
M
A
So
we
have
the
the
additional
item
we
agree
earlier
to
to
add
to
our
agenda
and
that's
a
direction
prepared
by
staff
with
the
councillor
deruse
on
the
biosol
program.
I
think
I'll
turn
over
to
council
gurus.
You
don't
have
to
read
the
whole
motion.
I
think
most
of
us
saw
the
the
notice
of
motion,
but
now,
since
his
only
direction,
I
think
will
make
sense
to
deal
with
it.
If
mr
desjardins,
for
some
reason,
we
cannot
prepare
a
report
for
this
coming
council,
I
think
we
can.
A
D
Thank
you,
mr
chair
I'll,
make
it
I'll
keep
it
very
brief.
I'm
not
going
to
read
it
all,
but
I'll
give
a
quick
couple
highlight
why
we're
doing
this-
and
this
is
a
this-
is
a
good
learning
experience
and
practice.
The
best
practice
that
we
were
we've
experienced
in
osgood
ward,
20..
There
is
a
new
product,
I
actually
start
introduced
to
the
to
the
farmer,
and
it
is
a
biosolid
pellet
and
we
don't
have.
D
This
is
the
first
time
that
been
implemented
in
the
city,
so
it
created
a
lot
of
problem
between
the
resident
and
ishmael.
Of
course,
farmer
all
were
all
always
there
ambassador
of
the
of
the
land.
So
there
is
some
experience
and
the
city
of
iowa
has
a
process
on
our
bible,
salad,
so
we're
thinking
there
is
best
practice
and
people
could
learn
from
it
from
our
experience
with
working
with
omafra
and
ministry
of
environment.
D
So
we
will.
We
will
ask
our
staff,
therefore,
to
be
resolved
that
the
ros
city
council,
direct
general
manager,
public
work
and
environmental
services
or
his
designate
to
write
to
the
minister
of
omecp
and
omafra,
as
well
as
the
cfia,
in
consultation
with
the
mayor
and
rural
councillors,
to
outline
key
concerns
and
potential
considerations
from
arawa's
perspective
to
help
inform
the
development
of
the
best
management
practices
aimed
at
pelletized
biosolid
producers
and
local
partners.
D
A
Thank
you
councillor
jerus,
for
for
this,
and
I
see
staff
been
involved
and
prepared
this.
This
nose
promotion,
mr
deserved
that
if
we,
if
we
accept
this
as
a
direction
to
staff,
does
it
have
to
necessarily
come
to
this
next
council
in
a
couple
of
days,
because
you
need
to
prepare
a
report
or
we
can
wait
to
the
council
after
that,
like
it's,
no
real
timeline
on
this
one.
B
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you,
council
of
jerusalem,
and
now
we
have
the
fun
stuff,
so
we
have
an
open
session
and
we
have
the
executive
director
of
oscar.
The
youth
association
has
a
power
presentation
for
a
powerpoint
presentation
for
us
so
and
nicole.
I
know
we
you
give
us
the
full
presentation
before,
but
today,
you're
gonna
give
us
just
a
small
small
portion
of
that
presentation.
So
the
floor
is
yours.
N
Great
there
is
a
powerpoint
presentation
that
goes
along,
oh
good,
it's
coming
up
now
beautiful.
Thank
you,
I'm
glad,
I'm
the
fun
part
of
the
presentations,
so
my
name
is
nicole
mccarricker
and
I'm
the
executive
director
of
the
osgood
youth
association
joining
me
here
today,
and
I'm
not
sure
if
she
is
has
been
joined
here
yet
is
emily
doswell,
oh
yeah.
Thank
you
emily.
N
So
the
reason
that
our
collective
was
formed
in
the
first
place
was
out
of
a
shared
concern
about
the
lack
of
accessible
and
consistent
mental
health
services,
education
and
support
for
rural
ottawa
youth.
So
this
slide
is
important.
Many
of
you
know
me
from
the
osgood
youth
association
and
the
rural
ottawa
youth.
Mental
health.
Collective
is
actually
comprised
of
partners
from
all
of
ottawa's
four
awards
with
rural
populations.
N
N
So
the
most
important
thing
to
note
here
on
this
slide
is
the
involvement
of
youth
with
lived
experience
on
our
collective
one
of
the
key
components
of
the
collective's
work
is
to
engage
youth
with
lived
experience
of
accessing
mental
health
supports
while
living
in
rural
ottawa.
So
these
youth
form
a
youth
advisory
committee,
made
up
of
youth
aged
13
to
23,
and
it's
really
important
to
us
that
the
work
that's
being
done
for
youth
is
done
in
consultation
with
these
youth
and
next
slide.
Please.
N
At
the
start
of
our
initiative,
we
conducted
a
community
needs
assessment
to
learn
about
the
state
of
mental
health
services
for
rural
ottawa
youth,
and
this
quote
here
is
indicative
of
what
we
heard
from
most
rural
youth
and
their
support
networks.
So
when
we
asked
what
mental
health
supports,
would
you
like
to
see
for
youth
in
osgood
ward,
at
one
osgood
ward
focus
group?
The
response
we
got
back
was
literally
anything
next
slide.
N
So
this
survey
is,
is
actually
really
exciting.
First
for
rural
ottawa,
it's
the
first
time
that
a
single
survey
has
been
used
to
check
in
with
youth
in
all
of
ottawa's
rewards
and
analyze
those
results
together.
As
a
group,
the
survey
was
quite
large.
It
took
youth
on
average
about
17
minutes
to
complete
and
we
have
a
ton
of
data
that
we've
collected
from
that
survey.
N
L
L
L
And
then
the
bulk
of
our
survey
was
asking
youth
about
what
types
of
programs
would
help
them
and
how
they
would
want
those
programs
to
be
structured.
The
top
seven
programs
out
of
the
whole
survey
were
programs
about
stress
and
anxiety
time
management,
positive
lifestyles
how
to
help
someone
experiencing
a
mental
health
concern
body,
positivity,
mental
health,
literacy
and
self-care.
N
Great,
thank
you
emily.
So,
as
I
mentioned,
those
were
just
a
few
small
tastes
of
what
we
learned
from
our
survey
and
this
kind
of
gives
you
a
bit
of
a
look
of
the
big
picture.
So
when
we
looked
at
all
of
our
survey
data,
our
collective
created
this
theory
of
change,
which
is
kind
of
a
road
map
for
what
we
can
do
going
forward
to
help
rural
youth
feel
more
supported
with
their
mental
health.
So,
as
you
can
see,
the
theory
of
change
has
five
strategies.
N
N
So
I'm
going
to
would
like
to
provide
you
with
just
one
example
of
the
kinds
of
activities
that
can
take
place
under
these
strategies.
So
this
is
I'll
kind
of
address.
These
little
points
on
the
next
slide
here
in
a
minute,
but
the
collective
is
currently
has
an
application
out
to
the
laidlaw
foundation
to
test
one
of
our
strategies,
which
is
the
communication
strategy
so
for
this
project,
we're
partnering
with
chio's
youth
net
program
and
cur
before
covet.
N
What
youthnet
did
was
make
in-school
presentations
to
ottawa
youth,
about
mental
health
resources
available
in
their
community
and
where
they
can
turn
to
for
help.
If
they're
experiencing
a
mental
health
concern,
so
in
ottawa
there
are
22
schools
that
serve
rural
ottawa
students
free
pandemic
youthneck
gave
their
mental
health
presentation
to
just
three
of
these
schools.
N
So
when
you
think
back
to
our
survey
results
that
one
of
the
biggest
barriers
for
rural
youth
to
get
the
mental
health
support
they
need
is
knowledge
of
resources.
That's
not
really
a
surprising
result.
The
the
fact
of
the
matter
is
they
just
simply
haven't
been
given
those
tools
yet
or
communicated
those
resources.
N
So
the
work
of
the
collective
can
change
that.
So,
if
we
are
approved
for
to
have
this
funding
from
laidlaw,
then
youthnet
and
the
collective
are
organized
and
ready
to
go
and
we'll
be
able
to
give
these
mental
health
resource
presentations
to
all
22
of
those
rural
serving
schools
in
the
fall
of
this
year,
and
so
that's
just
one
small
example
of
the
kind
of
impact
that
a
dedicated
youth
mental
health
collective
could
have
in
rural
ottawa.
N
So
what
you
see
here
is
mostly
with
my
osgood
youth
association
hat
on
I'm
talking
to
you
from
in
two
different
ways
for
this
presentation.
So
oya
is
actually
the
backbone
organization
for
the
rural
youth,
mental
health
collective,
but
as
the
executive
director
of
oya,
I
have
applications
currently
out
for
bell.
Let's
talk:
funding
label
funding
and
the
city
of
ottawa's
renewable
community
fund
to
do
individual
projects
in
osgood
ward.
N
To
give
you
an
idea
implementing
all
of
these
strategies
outside
of
the
rural
youth,
mental
health
counselors
themselves
would
be
approximately
250
000
annually
to
achieve
the
results
of
rural
ottawa,
youth
feeling
supported
with
their
mental
health
or
knowing
where
to
go.
If
and
when
they
need
support.
N
So
next
slide,
please
so
we
have
created
social
media
accounts
for
the
collective,
so
you
can
follow
our
work
on
facebook
and
instagram,
and
our
handle
is
rural
ottawa
youth.
So
this
is
a
great
way
if
you're
interested
we'd
love
it.
If
you
could
share
these
resources
through
your
channels,
but
this
is
how
we're
going
to
be
communicating
both
with
youth
and
stakeholders
going
forward
about
the
progress
of
our
project
and
next
and
final
slide.
N
A
D
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
just
I
unlike
you
I
I
heard
this
pronunciation
multiple
times
throughout
nicole
and,
of
course,
emily
that
we
have
here
with
us.
I
just
want
to
mention
emily
also
the
president
of
osgood,
the
british
community
association.
She
is
a
great
and
one
pillar
volunteer
in
our
community,
of
course,
with
the
oya
and
nicole
and
emily
and
their
team.
It's
been
amazing,
help
for
our
to
implement
programs
in
in
our
good
world
and
also
across
the
city
for
rural
for
rural
youth.
D
D
I
know
that
I've
seen
this
presentation
multiple
times,
but
when
I
see
the
result
of
the
survey
I
I
cannot
agree
with
you
more
transportation,
the
stigma
and
many
other
elements
that
how
you
created
the
survey
for
the
collective
and
I'm
happy
to
see
that
there
is
programs
like
that
start,
aiming
to
help
our
rural
mental
health
use
and
finding
some
solution
and
working
with
them.
So,
thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you,
mr
chair,
for
accepting
them
today
to
do
this
presentation
for
our
at
iraq.
So
I
appreciate
all
the
work.
M
B
N
So
that's
a
great
question.
I
think
you
know
there's
kind
of
two
ways
to
support.
The
first
is,
if
you
know
of
any
funding
that
is,
you
know,
would
be
applicable
to
this
area.
It
would
be
greatly
appreciated.
I
know
just
councillor.
Drewes
has
already
connected
us
with
united
way
for
us
to
present
our
ideas
for
potential
funding
there.
N
So
you
know,
any
of
those
connections
you
have
would
be
would
be
much
appreciated
and
as
soon
as
we
get
the
ball
rolling
with
getting
all
this
information
out
and
with
implementing
our
activities,
just
sharing
those
resources
and
letting
the
youth
in
your
communities
know
where
they
can
go
to
access.
Mental
health
support
would
be
really
beneficial.
M
A
Well,
thank
you
very
much.
Madam
best
shadows
are
so
nicole.
I
think
most
of
us
counsel
in
the
rural
area.
Specifically,
we
have
the
newsletters
that
goes
out
some
of
us
weekly
somewhere
by
weekly,
but
if
you
share
any
information
like
us
to
share
with
with
our
residents,
feel
free
to
send
it
to
us
or
include
us
in
your
mail
out,
and
we
can
share
them
with
with
our
social
media
as
well.
So
with
that,
I
want
to
thank
you
and
emily
for
for
being
here
today
and
sharing
that
information
with
us.
A
The
resource
center
also
is
a
great
resource
for
our
youth
and
other
and
and
still
a
lot
of
people.
You
know
that
you
know
tell
us,
oh
I
had
I
never
heard
from
them,
or
I
haven't
heard
from
from
this
organization.
So
so
we
have
work
to
do
and
try
to
promote
it
more.
So
I
hope,
with
your
engagement
to
us
on
on
social
media,
we
can
deliver
some
of
that
message.
N
Yeah,
thank
you
so
much
for
the
opportunity
we.
We
were
really
surprised
in
the
survey.
Actually,
those
results
that
we
got
back.
We
asked
whether
youth
knew
about
you
know:
ysb
or
the
kids,
help
phone
or
walk-in
clinics,
and
that
kind
of
thing,
and
then
the
number
of
youth
that
didn't
have
any
knowledge
of
those
resources
was
surprising
to
us.
So
getting
that
getting
the
word
out
there
is
is
important.