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From YouTube: Agriculture and Rural Affairs Committee - June 1, 2023
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Agriculture and Rural Affairs Committee Meeting - June 1, 2023 - for agenda please consult www.ottawa.ca/agendas
A
Good
morning,
everyone
and
thank
you
for
joining
us
in
person
and
also
on
hybrid
model.
We
have
some
of
our
colleagues
and
some
delegate
and
some
staff
on
line
and
in
audience
here.
So
thank
you
for
joining
us
for
our
June
1st
meeting
2023
and
it's
a
beautiful
day.
So
we
have
a
packed
agenda,
but
we'll
try
to
get
you
out
of
here
as
soon
as
we
can.
A
I
would
like
to
begin
by
acknowledging
that
this
meeting
is
being
held
on
unseated
anishinabi
alcohol
territory.
The
peoples
of
the
anishinabi
AL
Congo
Nation,
have
lived
on
this
territory
for
Millennia
their
culture
and
presence
have
nurtured
and
continue
to
nurture
this
land
I'll
ask
Kelly
to
have
a
roll
call.
Please.
C
A
You
Kelly
this
is
a
public
meeting
to
consider
the
proposed
comprehensive
official
plan
and
Zoning
byline
admins
listed
as
item
4.1
and
4.2
on
today's
agenda
for
the
items
just
mentioned,
only
those
who
made
oral
submissions
today
or
written
submissions
before
the
amendment
are
adopted,
May
appeal,
the
matter
to
the
Ontario
land
tribunal.
In
addition,
the
applicant
May
appeal
the
matter
to
the
Ontario
land
tribunal.
A
So
we
have
a
three
item
in
the
agenda.
We'll
start
with.
First
one
is
4.1
bylaw
Amendment
zoning
40.
Carside
Circle,
and
we
have
no
presentation.
We
have
no
delegation,
no
correspondence
but
I.
Also
from
my
understanding,
we
have
a
representation.
If
we
have
any
question
on
on
item
the
applicants
is
online.
If
we
have
a
question
but
I'll
ask
him:
if
we'll
carry
that
one
he'll
be
I,
think
he
shouldn't
be.
He
doesn't
want
to
speak
if
I'm
correct
on
that.
A
The
retained
parcel
from
rr2
9R
to
rr2
to
meet
minimum
zoning
provision
as
detailed
in
document
2
and
two
that
the
Agriculture
and
Rural
Affair
committee
approve
the
consultation
details
section
of
this
report
to
include
as
part
of
the
brief
explanation
and
a
summary
and
written
or
oral
Public
Sub
public
submission
to
the
prepared
by
the
city
by
the
office
of
the
city
clerk
and
submit
it
to
council
and
the
report.
Titled
summary
of
oral
and
written
public
submissions
for
items
subject
to
the
planning
act.
A
Explanation
requirements
at
the
city
council,
meeting
of
June
14
2023,
subject
to
submissions
received
between
the
publication
of
this
report
and
the
time
of
the
council
decisions,
any
questions
common.
Can
we
carry
that
Eric
buried
and
that
was
scary?
Thank
you
very
much.
4.2
again,
no
presentation,
no
delegation,
no
correspondence
the
applicant
is
is
here.
A
If
we
require
any
questions
and
the
report
recommendation,
the
other
agricultural
Affair
committee
recommend
Council
approve
an
amendment
to
zoning
by
law,
2008
to
50
for
1476
Century,
Road
and
57
58
First
Line
Road,
as
shown
in
document
one
to
permit
the
existing
users
as
a
detailed
and
document
tool
and
number
two.
That
Agriculture
and
neural
Affair
committee
approved
the
consultation
details.
A
Section
of
this
report
be
included
as
a
part
of
the
brief
explanation
and
a
summary
of
written
and
oral
public
submissions
to
be
prepared
by
the
office
of
the
city
clerk
and
submitted
to
Council
in
a
report
titled
summary
and
of
oral
and
written
public
submissions
for
item
subjects
to
the
planning
act.
Explanation
requirements
at
the
city
council,
meeting
of
June
14
2023,
subject
to
submissions
received
between
the
publication
of
this
report
and
the
time
of
council
decision.
A
Any
question
or
comment:
can
we
carry
that
one
carried?
Thank
you
very
much,
and
that
was
scary.
Too
5.1
we
have
a
motion
from
counselor
Kelly
and
it
is
any
report
and
I
think
we
have
a
delegation
committee.
Will
the
committee
will
be
accepting
listening
to
the
delegation?
Then
we
can
debate
the
motion
after
if
that's
possible,
we
have
Mr
Luke
granier
Mr
granier,
please.
D
Good
now
yeah
well,
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
speak
today,
I'd
just
like
to
start
by
saying
that
I
am
like
I'm,
not
opposed
to
paying
cilp
fees.
I've
never
asked
them
to
be
waived.
I've
just
asked
them
to
be
reduced
and
I
brought
you
a
copy
of
my
invoice
and
my
building
permits.
If
you
guys
care
to
see.
But
you
know
the
cilp
fees
are
not
the
21
741
dollars
for
for
our
permits,
fees,
which
is
fifteen
hundred
dollars
more
than
the
regular
development
fees.
D
D
You
know,
and
it's
been
very
frustrating
to
get
any
type
of
explanation
from
City
staff.
It's
a
responses
from
the
city
has
been
from
I.
Don't
know,
we've
just
been
tasked
to
collect
and
enforce
to.
Well,
you
can
always
appeal
it,
and,
but
not
a
single
person
was
able
to
to
direct
me
to
anyone
that
could
provide
me
with
a
reasonable
explanation
as
to
these
fees,
but
but
everyone
said
that
the
fees
are
extremely
high.
D
Like
I
just
want
to
understand
why
it
represents
such
a
significant
portion
of
our
invoice
for
our
billing
permit.
You
know
where
our
law
is
located
on
Morris
Island,
which
is
literally
on
the
border
of
the
city
of
Ottawa,
like
on
the
other
side
of
what,
when
we
stand
on
the
lot,
we
look
out
the
arm
prior
and
and
the
province
of
Quebec.
We
are
literally
on
the
city
limits.
D
As
far
as
I
know,
it's
an
unservice
lot.
The
only
thing
that
the
city
provides
is
garbage
collection,
Romans,
you
know,
and-
and
there
is
there
is
no
official
City
plans
for
new
parks.
Nowhere
near
us
and
as
far
as
I
know,
the
closest
park
is
within
eight
kilometers
and
the
next
after
that
is
12
kilometers
the
city
that
particular
lot
has
been
in
private
hands
for
over
50
years.
There's
there's
nothing
around
us
and
you
know.
I
I
got
extremely
frustrated
trying
to
get
an
explanation.
D
You
know
working
hard
to
try
and
get
some
resolution
for
us
and
my
understanding
he's
getting
a
lot
of
pushback
on
his
motion
and
when
he
asked
me
to
come
and
speak
to
you
guys-
and
you
know
honestly
I
was
like
my
first
thought
was:
what's
the
point
you
know
I've
grown
so
skeptical
at
this
point
is
like
there's,
there's
no
point
in
coming,
but
then
I
started
thinking
about
it
and
and
I.
Think
it's
really
up
to
to
you
guys
to
tell
me
what
we
are
getting
for
twenty
one
thousand
dollars.
D
It's
it's
I,
don't
know
the
fees
just
seem
extremely
high
and
and
just
the
way
the
the
fees
are
calculated.
There
seems
to
be
some
some
unfairness
to
that
I
know
of
another
fellow
that's
just
in
in
the
same
ward,
he
bought
160
Acres,
separate
five
acres
and
he's
building
on
the
five
acres.
His
fees
are
less
than
half
of
ours.
There
are
ten
thousand
dollars
just
because
our
our
property
happens
to
be
on
the
waterfront
and
it's
assessed
at
a
higher
value.
D
I
said,
and
then
you
know
to
make
things
worse,
we
had
to
pay
the
city
500
to
get
an
appraisal,
and
the
appraisal
came
in
at
the
exact
dollar
amount
that
we
pay
for
the
land.
So
I
don't
think
there
is
very
extensive
research
that
had
to
be
done
or
was
done
like
to
the
dollar.
It
came
exactly
to
developer
and
we
had
to
pay
the
city
to
determine
what
the
city
is
going
to
charge
us
to
me.
D
That's
doesn't
make
much
sense,
so
I
understand
you
guys
are
are
concerned
about
creating
a
precedent
with
this
motion
and
I.
I
do
appreciate
your
situation,
but
at
the
same
time,
I
would
ask
that
you.
You
know
that
you
would
be
more
concerned
about
doing
what's
right
then,
what's
you
know
creating
a
precedent
so
I
I
could
go
on
and
on
about
some
of
the
discussions
I've
had
with
some
of
the
city
staff
and
whatnot,
but
it's
I.
D
A
Thank
you
very
much,
Mr
granier.
We
appreciate
actually
you
coming
and
put
your
concern
on
a
public
record
and
then
it
was
encouraging
from
you
to
come
and
speak
to
us
and,
of
course,
to
address
the
concern
and
I'm
I'm
gonna
see.
If
the
committee
have
a
question
for
you
and
then
we'll
we'll
deal
with
the
detail
with
the
motion
in
a
bit,
but
the
council
I.
E
A
Deal
with
it
we're
going
to
deal
with
questions
to
stuff
after
if
any
question
for
Mr
Bernie,
you're,
good
counselor,
raduloff
and
Council
kit,
Mr
Granite.
Thank
you
very
much
for
coming
and
we're
going
to
move
to
a
question
for
staff
and
then
we'll
deal
with
the
motion.
Thank
you
and
I
think
we
have
Kevin.
A
E
I
know
I
would
thank
you
very
much
Kevin
for
for
the
time
you've
taken
over
the
last
month
and
a
half
now
on
this
file
and
I
guess
you
know,
I've
got
a
a
decent
understanding
now
on
on
your
position
and
why
it
is
where
it
is
so
one
question
that
I
had
for
you
just
out
of
one
what
Mr
Grenier
was
explaining.
He
mentioned
another
property
owner
who
is
paying
significantly
Less
in
cash
and
lieu
of
Parkland.
Is
that
because
he
severed
a
property
and
created
a
property?
F
I'm
not
thank
you
through
you,
Mr
chair,
thank
you,
I'm,
not
exactly
familiar
with
that
scenario,
but
or
that
particular
property.
But
the
scenario
you
mentioned
if
it
was
a
severance
there
is
a
reduced
rate
and
it's
not
a
flat
rate.
It
is
still
based
on
land
valuation,
but
there
is
reduced
calculation
to
400
square
meters
when
there
is
a
severance
and
this
the
supply
is
primarily
to
if
you
consider
Farm
properties
that
might
be
divided
into
two.
F
F
It
3D
Mr
chair.
If,
if
the
question
is
regarding
why
Severance
versus
not
Severance
the
reason
for
severance
was
we
actually
had
a
discussion
with
Agriculture
and
Rural
Affairs
Committee
in
2022,
when
we
were
developing
the
bylaw
to
say
how
does
this
apply
or
how
does
it
not
so
the
difference
between
a
residential
law
development
such
as
the
loggers
way,
one
that
is
here
today
versus
a
very
traditional
Family,
Farm,
changing
into
two
hands.
F
E
For
me,
it
was
the
reason
we're
here
today
is
just
because
I
didn't
think
that
was
fair,
that
he
didn't
have
the
option
to
pay
the
lower
calculated
rate,
I'll
stop
using
the
term
of
flat
rate,
and
so
and
so
that's
why
I
I
wanted
to
and
I
and
in
speaking
with
Kevin
I,
just
wanted
to
reduce
it
I've,
never
and
and
he's
right,
even
in
the
rural
areas.
I
think
there's
a
the
attitude
that
you
know.
E
We
we
shouldn't
have
to
pay
cash
in
the
Parkland,
but
that's
absolutely
not
the
argument
that
I'm
making
or
that
I
think
Mr
Grenier
is
making
here.
I
I!
Think
making
it
more.
Fair,
though,
is,
is
the
question,
and-
and
that's
why
we're
here
and
and
to
do
that
we
weren't
able
to
reduce
the
fee,
because
that
would
have
required
a
change
in
the
bylaw.
Is
that
correct,
Mr,
Marie.
E
So
that's
why
we're
doing
a
waiver,
because
that
doesn't
require
a
change
in
bylaw.
So
that's
how
we
ended
up
here
and
and
the
reason
I
wanted
to
waive
just
the
ward
portion
was
because
that
doesn't
affect
any
other
Awards,
but
I
do
admit
that
that
could
cause
a
precedence
and
and
other
people
to
ask
for
the
same
thing.
So
I
understand
the
concerns.
E
I
hope
that
we
could
waive
the
the
ward
portion
of
Mr
grenier's
fee
so
that
we
get
down
to
sort
of
the
the
lower
calculated
fee
that
that
other
people
do
enjoy
outside
of
going
to
pull
a
building
permit
so
and
and
I.
Do
kind
of
just
fundamentally
think
that
that
those
creating
the
lot
in
the
first
place
should
be
responsible
for
that
that
Parkland
and
cash
and
Liu
of
Parkland
so
I'm
going
to
leave
my
argument
at
that.
E
I
think
the
the
second
part
of
my
emotion,
I,
don't
think
anyone
has
a
real
issue
with
it's
just
a
matter
of
taking
a
look
at
options
in
terms
of
making
a
change
there
to
make
it
more
fair,
and
the
first
part
would
be
to
waive
the
ward
portion
to
to
reduce
it
to
about
half
for
Mr
Grenier.
So
I
will
leave
it
there
and
see
if
any
of
my
colleagues
have
questions
or
comments
or
anything,
they
want
to.
A
G
F
Three
Mr
chair,
councilor
kits
this
isn't
necessarily
a
DC
bylaw
review.
This
is
actually
the
cash
in
lieu
of
Parkland.
So
this
is
the
the
park.
Dedication
bylaw,
as
we
mentioned,
is
already
under
appeal
and
will
be
coming
back
to
council
for
a
form
of
revision
once
we
receive
settlement,
so
we
we
can
address
it
at
that
point
and
then,
in
addition
to
that,
our
Parks
and
Rec
facilities,
master
plan
directed
us
to
review
the
cash
and
live
Parkland
policy.
F
C
F
F
The
park,
dedication
bylaw
of
today,
I
I,
did
submit
an
information
report,
but
the
park
dedication
bylaw
of
today
is
now
encumbering
lands
that
were
never
previously
considered
for
this.
Just
across
the
street.
From
these
Chambers
is
a
community
that
has
seen
massive
intensification
without
any
Cil
benefit,
just
because
of
the
size
of
the
lots
that
were
there
as
well.
F
The
the
planning
act
actually
instructs
us
to
take
it
at
building
permit
where
we
didn't
in
the
past
and
I
admit.
This
would
be
a
surprise
to
people
who
didn't
know
about
this,
because
we
had
a
practice
since
2009
of
not
collecting
it
by
building
permit,
but
we
have
been
instructed
through
our
home
processes
that
got
us
to
today
whether
it
was
the
Parks
and
Recreation
facilities,
master
plan
or
through
the
bylaw
approval
to
now
consider
it
a
building
permit
to
satisfy
what
the
planning
act
says.
C
F
Mr,
chair,
I
I
did
not
take
a
look
at
a
global
map.
I
did
put
in
my
report
that
we
tend
to
collect
and
in
in
the
case
of
Ward
five,
the
funds
are
collected
and
pooled
into
larger
projects.
In
the
case
of
Ward
five,
we
are
currently
undertaking
the
a
significant
Improvement
and
expansion
at
the
corkery
community
center.
C
Okay
thanks
so
much
I,
don't
know
if
this
is
more
for
for
Adam,
but
do
we
have
any
other
similar
files
that
will
be
coming
before
us,
where
an
amount
such
as
this
would
would
need
to
be
collected
in
Cil,
any
any
files
that
you
foresee
coming
forward?
Where
you
know
this
sort
of
issue
may
come
up
again.
H
It's
hard
to
tell
Mr
chair
because
it
in
this
case,
when
it's
based
on
a
building
permit
application,
it's
not
something
that
comes
through
planning
Services.
It
goes
directly
to
building
code
services,
so
we
do
assess
cash
and
lieu,
where
appropriate,
for
plans
of
subdivision
or
site
plan
control
applications,
but
those
are
not
at
the
individual
building
permit
level.
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
councilor
luloff
and
thank
you
Adam
for
the
answers.
I
I,
just
wanna,
I
I.
Thank
you
very
much.
Kevin
for
the
explanation
and
I
understand.
I
personally
I
know
the
motion
is
on
the
screen
and
then
in
front
of
us
to
deal
with
it.
We
have
two,
therefore
be
it
resolve,
but
I
personally
I,
look
at
it
from
a
Cil
perspective,
counselors
in
the
rural
area.
I
really
don't
have
a
lot,
sometimes
much
choices.
A
Sometimes
we
do
upgrades
like
we
heard
from
Kevin
and
Constance
Bay
bockham
Bay,
Community,
Center,
those
expensive,
expensive
expansions
and
massive
and
quirky
communities
and
facility,
but
also
in
my
world
I've
built
I'm
building
off
dog
leash
for
my
community
and
sometimes
when
City
staff
I
want
to
upgrade
apart,
sometimes
we're
short
on
adding
a
component
or
another.
We
want
to
add
another
slide
or
another
kids
between
one
and
five
component
to
the
park
and
sometimes
limited
the
the
funding
is
limited
and
those
dollar
that
comes
into
this.
A
The
Cil
and
cash
and
Lou
for
counselors
under
under
us
to
be
able
to
spend
and
improve
those
community
park,
and
sometimes
the
parks
are.
We
have
situation
that
we
want
to
add
something
to
the
park
of
an
outdoor,
rink
or
something
like
that
and
those
money.
Sometimes
we
cannot,
in
the
same
cycle
of
that
year,
go
to
go
and
get
them
inside
our
budget,
so
Council
sometimes
have
some
of
those
dollars
to
be
able
to
use
to
improve
Community
parks
and
be
able
to
address
some
Community
Association
and
not
necessarily
for
this
case.
A
Mr
Gurney
I
understand
not
necessarily
should
be
in
the
backyard
of
any
Resident,
but
the
community.
All
the
community
on
the
whole
benefit,
and
it's
hard
for
me
to
sit
here
today
and
I
know
that
we're
going
through
appeal
and
our
staff
has
been
working
hard
with
us,
and
there
is
no
legal
rationale
or
planning
rationale
for
that
specific.
A
For
that
specific
decision
today
to
make
and
and
to
reduce
those
costs,
so
I
I
really
hard
for
me,
as
a
chair
of
Agriculture
for
Community,
sit
here
today
and
and
support
that
and
I'm
sorry.
Sometimes
it's
like.
Sometimes
you
have
to
make
a
different
and
difficult
decision,
but
that
also
like
Mr
Greninja
mentioned.
That
said
the
presidents,
but
really
we're
not
really
much
about
that.
A
That
will
be
a
step
forward
to
be
able
to
making
sure
that
we're
getting
our
Fair
assessment
for
our
rural
resident
and
for
that
reason,
I
I
do
I
cannot
support
the
first
part
of
the
motion,
but
we'll
be
supporting
the
second
part,
but
I
I,
don't
know
if
counselor
you
want
to
wrap
up
on
your
motion
or
we
can
just
because
we're
going
to
split
the
motion
on
The
Voice
go
ahead,
you're!
Okay,
with
that.
F
Thank
you,
I
I,
just
realized
I
need
to
correct
something.
I
said
to
counselor
kids.
She
asked
me
about
timelines
and
I
said
earliest
of
September.
Latest
November
I
need
to
add
a
caveat
to
that,
and
that
is
the
hopeful
expectation
that
our
mediation
is
successful.
If
that
mediation
is
not
successful,
we
are
looking
at
an
Olt
hearing
which
would
occur
end
of
October
early
November,
with
a
typically
a
six
month
or
so
window
before
final
decision,
I
I
believe
that's.
F
G
A
Thank
you
and
thank
you
for
the
clarification
and
if
there
is
no
more
question
on
that
or
the
comment,
can
we
we're
gonna
split
the
motion
and
we're
gonna
vote
on
them
separately,
so
we'll
we'll
go
first
for
the
therefore
be
a
result:
city
council
wave,
the
60
of
the
cash
and
Liu
of
Parkland
fees
required
for
the
pending
building
permit
at
57
or
three
loggers
way
being
in
World
portion.
Can
we
vote
on
that
one
separately,
counselor,
we'll
call
them.
B
A
Thank
you,
and
the
second
motion
be
further
resolved-
that
the
city
of
council
directs
staff
to
review
the
Parkland
dedication
bylaw
to
determine
whether
the
bylaw
should
be
amended
to
extend
the
transition
Clauses
for
Rural
buildings
permit
outside
of
village,
where
lands
were
subdivide
for
individual
residential
lot
purposes
prior
to
the
new
bylaw
coming
in
force
and
report
back
to
Agriculture
and
reference
committee
by
Q3
2024.
Is
that
motion
carry
Gary?
Thank
you
very
much,
and
can
we
receive
the
agricultural
Affair
Community
recommend
that
Council
received
this
report
for
information
received
received?
A
Okay,
and
that
concludes
our
agenda
for
now
any
in-camera
items
we
have
none
and
number
seven.
We
have
open
mind
sessions
and
first
on
the
list
is
Jane
Wilson
from
Ottawa
wind
concerns.
We
have
a
presentation
and
suppose
only
I
have
five
minutes,
I'm
sure
you've
done
the
rules
and
you
know
we're
going
to
give
you
an
opportunities
to
get
the
representation
up
and
we'll
give
you
five
minutes
when
you're
ready
foreign.
A
I
I
Most
of
them
are
in
Ward
21
and
Ward
5,
but
it
goes
across
the
city,
including
Osgood
and
Metcalf,
as
well
and
Cumberland,
for
myself,
for
those
that
haven't
met,
I'm,
a
retired
registered
nurse
and
a
healthcare
writer
and
editor
I
work
for
health,
Canada,
public
health
agency
of
Canada
County
Post
and
for
a
while
as
a
volunteer
I,
was
on
the
board
of
the
Environmental
Health
Association
of
Ontario.
So
those
are
my
concerns
is
health
and
environment.
I
So
I
won't
go
through
those
again,
but
we
did
in
previous
committee
meetings,
go
over
some
of
the
concerns
that
are
common
to
renewable
energy
developments,
specifically
noise
pollution
and
safety,
but
also
the
effectiveness
of
wind
power
projects
for
the
money.
Industrialization
of
communities
is
a
big
concern
because
that's
essentially
what
it
is
altered,
landscape,
the
cost
on
electricity
bills
and
the
effect
on
wildlife.
I
The
next
slide.
So
with
the
coming
bylaw
new
bylaw
process,
we
thought
we
would
hold
some
very
informal
information
sessions,
so
we
did
one
in
kinburn
and
one
in
North,
Gore
and
I.
Don't
think
it
was
the
promise
of
free
butter
tarts
that
got
everybody
out,
but
we
had
several
hundred
people
come
to
the
events
which
was
really
great
to
see
people.
We
did
learn
that
people
know
a
lot
more
about
wind
power
now
than
they
did
in
2009
when
the
green
energy
Act
was
passed.
I
So
it's
been
in
the
media
a
lot.
This
is
a
article
from
the
recent
Farmers
Forum
manateek
messenger
had
an
article
recently
and
I
guess.
The
week
Edition
this
week
has
got
an
excellent
letter
on
wind
power
and
whether
it
achieves
the
goals
that
people
set
for
it.
So
what
we
heard
from
the
people
coming
to
our
meetings
can
I
have
the
no
I
think
that's
it.
Concerns
about
the
wind
turbine
noise
pollution
seem
to
be
top
of
the
list.
I
People
are
aware
that
the
health
impacts,
if
you
can't
sleep
you're,
not
going
to
feel
very
well,
and
there
are
health
problems
that
go
out
from
that
people
mention
their
children,
they're
very
worried
about
what
noise
pollution
and
sleep
deprivation
would
do
for
their
children.
They're
worried
about
the
impact
on
electricity
bills.
People
just
feel
they
cannot
pay
anymore,
and
we
know
after
the
green
energy
act.
The
auditor
general
said
electricity
bills
went
up
250
percent
in
Ontario,
mostly
due
to
wind
and
solar.
So
people
are
concerned
about
that.
I
I
I
I
And
a
U.S
acoustician
told
me
that's
a
reasonable
compromise,
so
we've
communicated
that
to
City
staff
again.
To
conclude,
our
goal
is
really
just
trying
to
help
inform
people
in
rural
communities
and
we've
been
trying
to
work
with
City
staff
to
help
them
have
information
they
may
not
have
in
this
process
of
bylaw
development.
One
city
staffer
said
we
want
to
do
the
right
thing.
We
all
want
the
right
thing.
I
A
J
You
chair
and
Jane
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
coming
out
and
delegating
today
I
know
it's
a
long
drive
from
beautiful
North
Gore,
but
we
always
appreciate
seeing
you
in
person,
chair,
I,
don't
have
a
question
for
the
delegate,
but
I
do
have
a
question
for
staff,
so
I
can
hold
them
to
my
other
colleagues
that
had
an
opportunity
perfect.
We.
A
A
It's
raised
a
lot
of
concern
in
the
community,
especially
during
election,
and
we
kept
explaining
to
the
resident
what
the
rationale
behind
it
and
I
know
there
is
some
communication
between
staff
and
yourself
and
I
I'm
familiar
with
all
of
them,
but
we
do
appreciate
you
took
the
time
today
to
be
in
here
with
us
and
to
address
those
concerns,
and
we
agree
with
your
concerns.
So
thank
you
very
much.
J
K
Thank
you,
counselor
Brown
and
through
the
chair,
we
are
working
on
those
on
those
draft
Provisions.
At
this
time,
we've
actually
hired
a
consultant
who
has
expertise
in
this
area
to
assist
us
with
the
development
of
the
provisions
for
the
various
types
of
renewable
energy
generation
facilities,
and
we
will
be
delivering
information
and
proposed
Provisions
for
review
by
the
public
in
August
September
of
this
year
and
we'll
be
bringing
an
amendment
as
required
before
the
end
of
the
year.
E
E
And
then
my
other
question
is:
there's
I've,
seen
quite
a
few
other
jurisdictions
across
Canada
and
the
world
put
in
regulations
around
particularly
wind
turbines,
but
all
renewable
energy
projects
and
just
wondering,
like
I've
seen
Jane
mention
the
two
kilometer
setback
that
they
do
have
in
in
some
jurisdictions.
I
know
there's
some
on
the
east
coast
of
Canada
that
have
implemented
a
two
kilometer
setback.
Do
you
have
a
various
range
of
distances
that
you
may
be
looking
at?
Are
you
looking
at
other
jurisdictions?
What
are?
K
A
A
Thank
you.
That's
a
that's
very
helpful
to
know.
Thank
you
very
much
and
I
I
do
know
that
I
know.
I
know
the
concern
that
bring
from
Resident,
because
south
of
me,
in
French
and
in
eastern
Ontario
I
know
what
the
wind
turbine
did
to
the
communities
and
from
a
health
concern
and
also
from
many
other
concerns
that
they
they
raise.
So
we
do
understand
and
we
we
need
to
learn
from
what
happened
in
our
other
municipality
and
I.
A
Do
appreciate
Jane
for
you
coming
out
here
today
to
speak
with
us
and
we'll
keep
the
community
informed.
I
know
rural
counselors.
Really
we
don't
like
to
see
some
of
those
in
our
backyard,
but
we
will
be
working
collectively
with
our
city
staff
and
the
policy
making
sure
we
will
be
very
making
sure
our
community
are
protected.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
that.
A
L
Okay,
so
my
name
is
Andrea
scissons,
and
this
is
Pam
Childs.
We
are
members
of
rural
Woodlands
Ottawa
we're
on
the
steering
committee.
Rural
Woodlands
Ottawa
is
a
volunteer
group
and
we're
trying
to
raise
awareness
about
the
enormous
amount
of
tree
loss
in
rural
Ottawa
and
come
up
with
some
solutions
for
that
next
slide.
Please.
L
It's
escalating
that
slide
shows
over
10
years,
and
you
can
see
the
trend
is
more
and
more
forces
are
being
taken
out
every
year
in
2021,
1300
Acres
was
removed
from
our
landscape.
Next
slide,
please
in
many
areas
in
rural
Ottawa,
we
can't
even
meet
the
minimum
of
30
Forest
cover.
That's
required
for
good
ecological
health,
and
the
numbers
that
are
that
are
presented
representing
Force
cover
in
Ottawa
are
sadly
a
little
bit
skewed,
as
you
can
see
by
that
photo
there.
L
For
example,
the
Marlborough
Forest
has
about
80
Forest
cover
and
that
number
gets
worked
into
the
total
Forest
cover
for
Ottawa,
yet
right
beside
it
is
an
area,
and
there
are
many
areas
that
have
20,
which
is
which
means
that
no
ecological
functioning
there
in
that
area
next
slide.
Please
ottawa's
new
official
plan
sets
a
tree
canopy
Target
of
40
percent.
Well,
we
are
losing
weight,
we're
at
35
now
and
we
don't
seem
to
be
trending
upward
upwards.
L
The
city
also
states
that
they're
going
to
take
a
no
let
net
loss
approach
with
respect
to
Forest
cover
outside
the
urban
area.
But
how
are
they
going
to
do
that?
How
are
they
going
to
have
a
no
net
loss
approach
when
people
on
private
land
are
removing
forests
there's
nowhere
to
replant
the
500
hectares
that
are
taken
out
every
year?
L
Next
slide,
please!
So
we
we
are
big.
Proponents
of
carrots
not
sticks.
We
don't
believe
something
like
a
rural
tree.
Bylaw
would
have
their
desired
effect.
In
fact,
I
think
if,
if
there
was
mention
of
such
a
thing,
you'd
see
Forest
disappear
so
fast
before
that
by
law
ever
came
in
place.
Incentives
are
a
much
better
way
of
dealing
with
it.
So
one
proposal
that
we
have
is
that
the
tax
ratios
currently
tax
ratios
favor
farming
over
forests.
L
You
get
a
lower
tax
rate
on
your
Farmland
than
you
do
on
your
Forest
land,
even
with
a
managed
Forest
plan
and
landowners
often
find
that
managed.
Forest
incent
plan
is
a
little
onerous
and
overwhelming
to
contemplate,
especially
you
don't
actually
really
need
to
manage
the
forest
for
it
to
be
providing
value.
L
The
second
proposal
is
about
snow
fences
or
hedgerows,
so
Ottawa
spent
almost
a
million
dollars
last
year
in
putting
up
snow
fences
and
paying
Farmers
to
leave
six
rows
of
corn
behind
if
they
were
to
pay
a
similar
amount
to
the
landowner,
but
have
a
permanent
row
of
trees
or
a
more
vibrant
Hedgerow
that
actually
had
you
know
some
shrubs
and
some
other
benefits
they
would
save
money
in
the
long
term.
The
farmer
would
be
in
the
same
place.
L
He
is
now,
if
he's
paid
the
cost
that
he
would
have
made
for
planting
that
land
with
corn
or
harvesting
whatever
it
would,
it
would
help
with
biodiversity.
Carbon
capture
you
know,
could
provide
pollinator
habitat.
It
would
save
a
lot
of
money
for
road
maintenance
like
there's
a
a
lot
of
different
benefits
that
could
be
accomplished
and
once
again,
it's
not
at
the
cost
of
the
landowner.
L
In
fact,
probably
from
what
I've
seen
quite
a
bit
of
the
land
that
is
being
farmed
is
actually
there's
a
few
rows
of
corn
that
actually
aren't
on
that
Farmer's
land.
There's
quite
a
lot
of
it.
That's
on
the
right-of-way
anyway.
That
is
actually
belongs
to
the
city,
so
it
could
be
living.
Snow
fences
could
be
part
of
a
climate
solution
and
they
could
also
help
to
deal
with
that.
No
net
lost
strategy
that
the
city
has
come
up
with.
L
Thanks
well,
there's
a
few
other
benefits
that
they've
talked
about
of
the
living
snow
fences.
There's
there's
more
than
just
stopping
snow
right
and
next
slide
please.
So
we
feel
that
compensating
farmers
and
landowners
for
maintaining
forests
on
their
property
is
good
public
policy.
Forests
provide
a
public
good
and
the
individuals
who
maintain
and
provide
that
should
be
compensated
for
doing
so,
and
we
think
these
might
be
two
solutions
that
might
be
a
win-win
thanks.
A
J
Here
today,
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
know
that
I've
been
working
with
you
through
my
office
and
we've
been
meeting
with
City
staff
on
moving
a
more
of
a
rural
perspective,
Ford
and
I'd
like
to
see
how
refreshing
it
is
to
see
that
many
of
the
the
green
benefits
and
the
efforts
behind
those
don't
have
to
just
originate
in
urban
Ottawa
and
that
we
are
trying
to
do
our
part
in
verul.
Ottawa
and
I
also
appreciate
the
the
carrot
approach.
Instead
of
the
stick
approach.
J
M
E
Some
of
that
stuff,
I
hadn't
thought
of
before
so
thank
you
very
much
and
I
know
you
were
mostly
focused
on
Woodland
and
agricultural
areas,
but
development
does
still
occur
in
in
rural
areas
and
I.
Wonder
if
you
could
share
your
perspective
on
the
same
sort
of
solutions,
but
in
terms
of
new
developments.
E
Is
that
possible,
though,
like
that
row
of
Hedges
or
or
even
keeping
some
of
those
mature
trees
in
in
my
conversations
with
developers,
they've
always
stressed
that
when
they
have
to
come
in
and
regrade
a
property
that
the
trees
on
the
outside
often
die
within
a
couple
of
years?
Because
of
that,
have
you
put
any
thought
into
a
solution
in
terms
of
that
issue?
Well,.
L
L
Right
I
mean
gosh,
you
drive
up
eagleson
and
in
the
winter
you
can
hardly
you
can
hardly
get
through
right,
snow
and,
but
we
have
we're
focused
mainly
on
the
thing
is:
is
that
you
could
you
could
get
a
farmer
to
to
plant
some
trees,
but
once
the
development's
in
I
don't
know,
I
I
mean
if
it
was
put
into
the
the
rules
about
making
that
development
that
you
have
to
leave
win
breaks.
It
would
be
great
right,
the
and
sort
of
alluding
back
to
what
councilor
Brown
was
saying.
L
The
the
thing
I
think
about
Urban
Ottawa
is
that
they
haven't
recognized
that
rural
forests
benefits
city
right.
The
our
rural
forests
are
cleaning
the
water
that
the
city
people
are
drinking
and
cleaning
the
air.
It's
sequestering
the
carbon
that
is
emitted
by
cars.
They
they
spend
an
awful
lot
of
time.
Fussing
over.
L
You
know
Urban
trees,
which
is
which
are
equally
important,
but
they
they
don't
haven't
until
recently,
recognized
that
when
five
or
six
big
trees
are
taken
down
in
the
Glebe,
five
or
six
hundred
hectares
of
trees
are
taken
down
in
you
know
in
the
north
Gore
area
yeah,
and
we
don't
talk
in
numbers
of
trees.
We
talk
in
numbers
of
Acres,
of
trees,
being
removed,
yeah.
A
A
And
whereas
one
more
Open
Mic
session
is
Shirley,
Dolan
I
think
she's,
no
stranger
to
agriculture
of
her
committee.
Nice,
seeing
you
good
morning
early
and
you
know
the
the
drill
you
have
five
minutes
and
I
know.
Also.
We
receive
communication
on
May
29th
from
you
and
it
was
distributed
to
our
Council
colleague.
M
M
So
in
last,
Count
Council
pass
questions
were
met
with
the
sediment
sentiment
that
I
have
interpreted
that
we're
not
planning
anything
and
nothing
is
going
to
happen
because
it's
up
to
the
province,
it's
no
longer
in
the
province's
hands.
It's
in
your
hands
and
very
much
so
so
I
did
send
an
email
to
the
renewable
energy
approvals
program.
M
Just
asking
about
Authority
and
responsibility
and
I
will
send
you
a
copy
of
that
email,
but
they
have
firmly
said
that
it
is
in
the
municipalities,
hands
that
you
are
doing
the
zoning
bylaws
that
will
regulate
where
renewable
energy
goes.
So
it's
really
really
important.
I
think
that
we
get
the
new
zoning
bylaw
right.
M
I
also
found
the
last
presentation
very
interesting
and
welcome
food
for
thought
and
I'd
just
like
to
put
this
on
the
table
that
renewable
energy,
according
to
the
official
plan,
is
not
allowed
on
Prime
agricultural
land.
That's
my
understanding!
So
if
it's
not
allowed
there,
where
does
it
go?
Do
how
many
trees
will
we
be
taking
down
in
order
to
accommodate
those
projects?
So
just
food
for
thought
and
I
hope
we'll
be
thinking
about
that.
M
So
the
the
one
big
issue
for
me
and
there's
many
but
the
one
big
issue
for
me
being
a
rural
landowner
out
in
West
Carlton-
is
the
protection
of
my
well
I.
Don't
know
whether
or
not
you
as
counselors
rural
counselors
have
been
following
the
north
Kent
Chatham-Kent
issue
with
Wells
up
there
during
the
construction
and
after
the
construction
of
the
industrial
wind
turbines,
people
started
to
complain
about
sediment
in
their
Wells
and
I'll.
M
Send
you
a
picture
of
what
it
looks
like
it's
black
I
believe
it's
called
black
Shale
that
has
gotten
into
their
Wells,
and
so
they've
been
working
seven
years
trying
to
have
a
remedy
for
this,
and
recently
there
was
a
resolution
at
the
Chatham,
Kent
or
emotion.
I
think
it
was
at
the
Chatham-Kent
municipality
to
have
the
province.
Look
additionally
at
their
Wells,
the
people
out
there
I
think
there
were
nine
homeowners.
M
M
M
Also
appreciate
you
asking
about
the
timeline
for
the
renewable
energies
because
that's
different
and
there
isn't
a
timeline
showing
on
the
engage
Ottawa,
so
I'm
very
happy
to
hear
that
there
was
some
news
on
that
today,
and
the
one
thing
I
would
like
to
see
discussed
if
you
do
have
a
public
meeting
is
how
energy
from
the
wind
turbines
is
going
to
be
distributed.
As
you
know,
we
have
Hydro
Ottawa.
We
have
Hydro
One
I,
guess
it
is
where
I
get
my
energy.
M
A
E
A
We're
good,
thank
you
very
much.
Surely
we
appreciate
your
coming
here
today.
I
know
you
I
I
could
say
your
your
friend
of
the
Agricultural
Affair
committee.
As
usual,
we
appreciate
your
coming
from
mascalton
to
address
the
concern
and
I'm
sure
every
rural
counselor
here
heard
you
and
listened
to
you
and
we
share
the
same
concern.
You
do.
We
also
have
wells
in
our
homes
and
we
we
appreciate
the
effort
and
the
that
you
put
into
the
presentation
today
so
to
bring
this
awareness
to
us.
So
thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
M
A
Very
much
have
a
great
weekend.
Okay,
and
that
concludes
our
open,
sash
Open
Mic
session.
We
appreciate
all
of
them
for
coming
here
today
and
this
is
lovely
because
that's
the
only
committee
actually
I
I
say
I
Iraq
have
the
those
Open
Mic
sessions.
They
were
important
to
keep
them
because
we
can
engage
with
the
community
and
we
can
hear
their
concern
on
a
different
format
than
delegation.
So
thank
you.
We
have
a
new
notices
of
motion
for
consideration
next
meeting.
Thank
you.