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From YouTube: Built Heritage Committee - May 9, 2023
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Built Heritage Committee
Meeting #: 5
Date: Tuesday, May 09, 2023
Time: 9:30 am
Location: Champlain Room, 110 Laurier Avenue West, and by electronic participation
A
Good
morning,
everybody
and
welcome
to
the
built
Heritage
committee
meeting
of
May,
9th
2023.
I'd
like
to
call
the
members
to
order.
This
hybrid
meeting
is
being
facilitated
through
zoom
and
is
being
held
on
the
traditional
territory
of
the
Algonquin
anishinaabe
Nation,
the
original
custodians
of
the
unseated
land
in
which
the
city
of
Ottawa
is
located.
We
extend
our
respect
to
all
First,
Nations,
Inuit
and
metis
people
for
their
valuable
past
and
present
contributions
to
this
land.
A
Today,
it's
a
pleasure
to
welcome
our
new
public
members
and
also
our
returning
public
member
to
the
standing
committee
for
built
Heritage.
We
extend
our
heartfelt
congratulations
on
your
appointment
to
the
committee
and
we
are
thankful
for
your
decision
to
serve
your
community.
Your
commitment
to
public
service
is
both
commendable
and
inspiring.
The
path
ahead
may
be
demanding,
but
it
is
also
incredibly
rewarding.
A
Please
use
the
microphone
in
front
of
you
and
keep
your
computer
muted
I'll
provide
each
Committee
Member
with
the
opportunity
to
ask
questions
or
comment
on
each
item
in
the
order
in
which
they
raise
their
hand
in
Zoom
for
panelists
the
raise
hand
option
is
found
at
the
bottom
of
the
participants
list
for
those
calling
in
press
star
9.
To
raise
your
hand,
the
committee
coordinator
and
I
will
be
watching
for
those
cues.
Members
are
also
reminded
to
submit
any
motions,
visual
supports
or
Declarations
of
interest
in
writing
to
the
coordinator
at
their
earliest
opportunity.
A
Although
the
deadlines
have
passed
for
residents
to
register
to
speak
and
provide
written
submissions
to
this
committee,
written
submissions
can
be
made
to
council.
If
you
have
technical
difficulties
signing
into
the
meeting,
you
can
contact
the
committee
coordinator
by
calling
613-580-2424
extension
22953
a
reminder
that,
if
participants
are
having
technical
issues
with
their
Zoom
connection,
they
may
call
in
using
the
backup
telephone
number
provided
by
the
coordinator
in
terms
of
regrets.
I've
received
none.
Could
the
committee
coordinator,
please
call
the
roll
a
reminder
to
members
to
unmute
themselves
when
they're
called.
B
A
Confirmed.
Thank
you.
The
first
item
on
the
agenda
is
an
update
from
staff
on
Heritage
Community
Improvement
plans
and
we're
going
to
start
with
a
procedural
motion
to
suspend
the
rules
of
procedure.
Pursuant
to
section
one
subsection.
Two,
the
committee
is
being
asked
to
suspend
section
83,
a
subsection
for
subsection,
a
in
order
to
allow
the
oral
presentation
and
I
believe
that
Vice
chair
plant
has
the
procedural
motion,
foreign.
C
That
built
Heritage
committee
waived
the
rules
of
procedure,
subsection
84
4A,
to
receive
the
verbal
update
from
the
program
manager
of
the
Heritage
planning
Branch
regarding
the
Heritage
Community
Improvement
plan
at
today's
meeting.
In
order
to
receive
a
prompt
update
and
dispense
with
the
requirement
for
staff
to
provide
a
separate
written
report
on
this
verbal
update
presentation.
E
E
E
So,
since
2020
we've
had
two
applications
that
have
been
approved
by
city
council,
one
at
35,
William
Street
and
one
at
278,
280,
O'connor
and
so
I'm
going
to
use
the
280
278
O'connor
Street
project
as
an
example
of
of
how
it
has
worked
here
is
the
former
site,
the
two
designated
buildings
on
O'connor
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
we'll
show
the
plans
that
came
to
committee
that
were
approved
and
if
we
go
to
the
next
slide.
This
is
how
the
program
worked.
E
The
current
property
taxes
on
those
two
former
buildings
were
amounted
to
be
about
forty
one
thousand
dollars
and
the
estimated
property
taxes
post
development
this
year
will
be
two
hundred
and
thirty
thousand
dollars.
So
over
the
10-year
period,
the
aggregate
tax
increase
for
the
city
of
Ottawa
was
to
will
be
2.1
million
dollars.
E
E
Next
slide,
so,
as
I
indicated
today
is,
is
an
opportunity
for
us
to
engage
with
you
on
the
CIP
program
and
on
the
pilot.
The
pilot
was
due
to
end
at
the
end
of
December
2022.
However,
we
have
extended
into
2023
to
align
with
the
overall
departmental
report
going
forward
to
financing
Corporate
Services
next
month
on
all
of
the
city
of
ottawa's
cips.
E
We
had
only
two
applications
over
the
last
three
years
and
we
have
very
few
applications
in
the
cube.
We
have
only
one
project
built,
so
the
278
280
O'connor
project,
35
William,
is
the
former
restaurant
site
on
William
Street
across
the
Byron.
Market
building
remains
undeveloped.
So
really
we
haven't
had
much
data
come
out
of
this
this
pilot
project.
E
It
has
been
unclear,
therefore,
if
the
program
is
achieving
the
goals
of
supporting
development
of
our
designated
properties
and
or
activating
our
our
watch
list.
If
you
recall,
we
have
about
40
properties
on
our
heritage
watch
list,
we
have
had
very
little
take
up
in
terms
of
of
seeing
those
created
to
watch
list
properties
activated.
E
Five
hundred
thousand
dollars
is
the
cap
for
for
a
project.
These
are
obviously
multi-multi
multi-million
dollar
projects.
These
are
large-scale
redevelopments.
It's
also
unclear
to
us
whether
500
000
in
2023,
it's
a
lot
of
money
granted,
but
for
the
for
these
multi-multi-million
dollar
projects
is
sufficient
to
actually
spur
activity
on
these
on
these
sites
and
also
now,
with
the
benefit
of
of
our
new
official
plan
and
and
other
goals
that
this
new
Council
has
has
stated.
It
is
unclear
if
the
scope
of
this
program
is
in
alignment
with
with
those
goals.
E
E
Option
one
is
to
maintain
the
existing
pilot
project
and
extend
it
until
the
end
of
2025
and
undertake
at
that
point,
a
more
fulsome
evaluation
with
the
benefit
of
a
bit
more
time.
Obviously,
it's
been
a
very
volatile
last
few
years
in
the
market
with
respect
to
the
pandemic,
and
so,
with
the
benefit
of
more
time
and
more
stability
in
the
market,
we
could
gauge
the
impact
of
the
program.
E
We
would
also
suggest
consideration
giving
to
time
limits
on
approvals.
You
know
the
we
have
had
limited
uptake
to
date.
However,
we
have
seen
one
project
that
was
approved
by
Council,
that
is,
that
is
tied
up
five
hundred
thousand
dollars,
quite
frankly,
not
move
over
the
last
three
years.
Those
funds
could
be
going
to
other
projects,
assuming
that
we
had
it
in
the
queue
so
introducing
time
limits
or
statute
limitations
on
projects.
E
So
the
Heritage
CIP,
as
I
as
I
referenced,
is
really
focused
on
properties
where
there's
Redevelopment
happening,
where
there's
action
happening.
Large-Scale
commercial,
large-scale
residential
projects.
You
know
large
buildings
that
are
whether
they're,
commercial
or
residential,
that
don't
have
any
development
occurring,
but
that
have
significant
conservation
costs
are
not
eligible
for
the
CIP.
They
have
to
go
through
our
heritage
grant
program.
E
We
have
a
a
significant
number
of
large
masonry
buildings
that
are
100
115
125
years
old
churches,
buildings
in
in
Lower,
Town
And,
even
in
Center
town,
that
are
that
are
aging
and
they're
at
the
point
that
their
that
significant
conservation
masonry
work
need
to
be
done.
So
our
second
option
for
consideration
is
to
freeze
the
CIP
program
and
instead
pump
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
into
a
new
grant
program.
E
We
would
Envision
giving
five
one
hundred
thousand
dollar
grants,
so
significant
dollars
towards
conservation
projects
for
not-for-profits
religious
groups
and
and
Charities
currently
right
now
are.
Our
existing
grant
program
is
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
Citywide
and
the
maximum
project
envelope
is
twenty
five
thousand
dollars,
and
that
has
to
be
matched
so
I'll
if
you're
a
large
church
or
a
large
former
School.
The
maximum
dollar
amount
is
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
for
for
conservation.
E
E
E
F
Okay,
well,
thank
you
very
much.
I
think
you
explained
it
really
well
I'm
inclined
to
go
with
option.
Two
I
can
think
of
the
Bronson
Center
in
my
award,
which
literally
has
bricks
and
masonry
following
on
the
sidewalk,
and
they
are
desperate
for
assistance
because
they're,
non-profit
and
it's
all
small
non-profits
in
that
building.
They
eventually
want
to
redevelop
and
incorporate
the
facade,
but
their
need
is
now
so
you
know,
I
would
really
love
to
see
this
kind
of
money
go
to
those
small
Charities
that
are
often
stewards
of
these
buildings.
G
Thanks
chair,
one
quick
question:
does
some
of
our
sips
require
that
they
demonstrate
need
so
in
our
Economic
Development
steps,
for
example,
there's
for
some
of
them
a
requirement
that
they
demonstrate
that
the
project
wouldn't
move
ahead
without
the
benefit
of
the
the
Sip
Grant?
Is
that
the
case
with
Heritage
that
demonstrates
that
the
development
or
the
preservation
would
not
happen
without
the
Sip
or
is
it
assumed.
E
H
Hi
counselor.
Thank
you.
There
is
a
requirement.
There
was
a
requirement
within
the
pilot
project
that
basically
the
applicant
affirm
that
the
project
wouldn't
happen.
Otherwise,
without
the
grant
and
I
think
that
might
be
some
of
the
reason
we
haven't
received
as
many
applications,
because,
honestly
in
these
huge
developments
is
500.
H
If
you
know
it's
unlikely
that
500
000
is
making
or
breaking
a
project,
I
think
the
other
piece
of
the
puzzle
is
that
meant
most
of
the
buildings
that
we
would
be
contemplating
these
types
of
CIP
grants
on
would
be
already
designated
so
we're
starting
from
a
point
where
we're
getting.
We
want
them
to
be
retained
as
a
starting
point,
but
it's
one
of
the
goals
of
the
program
originally
was
to
try
to
Spur
development
of
some
of
those
neglected
sites
that
we
see
around
town
and
I.
H
G
E
Chairs,
certainly,
the
opinion
opinion
has
been
expressed
at
500.
000
is
not
enough,
however.
I
don't
think
I
can
also
sit
here
and
say
unequivocally:
that's
been
tested.
Yeah,
you
know,
there's
always
the
view
that
that
more
would
be
better,
but
we've
had
I
would
say
five
or
six
potential
applications.
We
have
I
think
two
that
were
in
negotiations
with
right
now,
potentially
but
they've
been
long
slow
negotiations.
There
hasn't
been
a
spirit
of
of
zest,
yeah.
G
Do
this
wholesale
embracing
do?
Does
Heritage
conservation
fall
under
one
of
the
eligible
costs
for
the
new
CBC?
The
new
community
benefit
charge
like?
Can
it
be
stacked
so
that,
if
you're
redeveloping
something
like
McGee
with
a
four-story
mixed
use,
you're
preserving
a
significant
amount
of
the
the
building
in
an
Adaptive
Reeves?
Can
you
stack
a
half
million
dollar
Grant
and
put
it
in
a
certain
amount
of
your
community
benefit
charge
toward
the
preservation.
H
H
Act
would
qualify
for
the
CBC,
but
the
idea
is
that
if
you
have,
if
you
already
own
a
designated
property
and
you're
going
to
to
develop
it,
the
assumption
is
that
you
are
going
to
retain
the
building
because
we're
starting
from
a
point
of
it
already
being
protected.
So
that
was
sort
of
where
we
went
with
the
with
the
CBC
stuff.
But
we
can.
We
can
provide
a
more
detailed
answer
by
taking
that
away.
G
It
hasn't
been
enough
to
get
developers
of
some
of
the
properties
that
are
falling
down
to
come
in
and
ask
us
okay,
let's
take
advantage
of
that
branch
and
let's
get
redeveloping
and
save
some
of
those
buildings.
So
without
a
much
larger
Grant,
I'm
I'm
having
difficulty
seeing
that
it's
going
to
be
particularly
popular
or
successful,
whereas
a
half
million
dollar
Grant-
or
you
know
that
some
share
of
half
a
million
dollars
towards
maintenance
and
conservation
could
make
a
big
difference.
G
I
We've
seen
a
drop
in
enthusiasm
for
development,
perhaps
not
so
much
because
of
lack
of
enthusiasm,
but
because
of
lack
of
ability
due
to
a
range
of
factors,
so
I'm
really
hesitant
personally
to
base
this
on.
The
success
makes
our
decision
on
the
success
of
one
example
under
in
a
time
period
that
saw
so
many
extraneous
variables
at
play,
which
are
new
to
us.
This
kind
of
tax
incentive
program
has
been
which
is
allowed
in
the
province
of
Ontario,
has
been
implemented
in
other
municipalities
throughout
the
province.
I
I'd
be
inclined
to
ask
if
there's
the
possibility
of
checking
in
with
some
of
those
municipalities
to
find
out
whether
or
not
they
also
experienced
a
change
during
the
pandemic
in
terms
of
uptake
also,
if
there
are
strategies
around
marketing
this
program
to
the
to
the
right
to
the
building
sector,
how
how?
How
are
they
being
made
aware
of
it
and
I
just
I
think
although
I
do
I
do
appreciate,
I
am
hearing
what
you're
saying
in
terms
of
the
pivot
to
enlarging
the
existing
grant
program.
I
Tax
incentive
approach
has
a
you
know:
a
hard-fought
win,
so
I'd
like
really
personally
wish
that
we
could.
We
could
see
a
few
more
examples,
so
my
intendency
actually
would
be
to
see
this
extended
to
the
end
of
2025.,
but
before
I
would
make
that
decision.
It
would
be
nice
to
have
some
information
about
other
how
other
municipalities
have
been
experience
and
experiencing
this
over
the
period
of
the
pandemic.
E
Sort
of
those
comments
remember
Quinn,
certainly
were
in
talks
with
the
city
of
Toronto,
and
the
city
of
London
that
have
a
similar
cips
Toronto
is
is
substantially
changing.
Its
cip's
writ
large
I
can't
comment
on
the
on
the
Heritage
CIP,
specifically
London
I
believe
is,
is
maintaining
the
existing
program
that
they
have.
A
E
Foreign,
that's
a
good
question.
I,
don't
think
that
there
has
been
direct
marketing
unless
you
can
correct
me,
Miss
Collins.
Certainly
it
is
on
the
city's
website.
As
I
mentioned,
we
do
speak
about
the
program
in
our
pre-application
consultation.
Have
we
contacted
all
40
and
spoken
about
the
program?
I,
don't
believe
so.
I
will
say
and
I
don't
have
the
the
the
percentage
in
front
of
me,
but
this
is
again
for
a
large
scale,
residential
commercial
projects,
a
good
bulk
of
of
the
watch
list.
E
A
A
So
I
think
that
this
is
an
interesting
option
and
an
interesting
option
that
will
be
before
us
for
further
comments,
as
well
as
for
comment
from
Council,
which
we
appreciate.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
this
very
informative
presentation
and
I.
Don't
believe
that
we
need
to
receive
anything
okay
received.
A
J
J
J
The
applicant
is
proposing
an
accessory
building
with
a
sunken
garage
and
pool
house
in
the
interior
side
yard.
That's
seen
in
this
photo
and
then
bottom
right.
There
shows
the
property
in
its
rear
yard,
as
seen
from
Hillcrest
Road
for
context.
In
2016,
the
owner
proposed
to
sever
the
Eastern
portion
of
the
loft
and
the
application
was
denied
by
the
committee
of
adjustment
but
permitted
by
the
Ontario
Municipal
board
in
2017..
J
After
this
decision,
the
owner
did
not
fulfill
the
related
conditions
of
approval
within
the
prescribed
time
frame,
thereby
rendering
the
severance
lapsed.
So
as
such,
the
Heritage
permit
that
we're
considering
today
only
considers
the
existing
lot
in
its
entirety
and
not
the
severed.
Lots
also
I'll
note
that
a
Heritage
permit
was
issued
in
2017
to
facilitate
window
and
siding
replacement,
Stone
repointing
and
the
replacement
of
the
deteriorated
roof
structure,
as
well
as
the
addition
of
Roof
Dormers,
which
can
be
seen
in
these
photos
here
next
slide.
Please.
J
The
one
story
Edition
is
proposed
on
the
south
elevation
along
Hillcrest
Road
set
back
1.4
meters
from
the
existing
house
and
an
enclosed
porch
is
proposed
behind
that
addition.
So
one
in
three
on
the
photo
there,
an
accessory
building
containing
a
sunken
garage,
is
proposed
to
align
with
the
existing
driveway
with
its
front
elevation.
J
Next
slide,
please
here,
is
a
rendering
of
the
proposed
accessory
building
on
the
left
and
of
the
addition
on
the
right
as
seen
from
Manor
Avenue.
Both
the
accessory
building
and
the
addition
have
been
designed
to
complement
the
existing
grade.
One
dwelling
by
being
set
back
in
shorter
in
height
from
the
existing
house
and
by
borrowing
designing
elements
from
the
existing
house,
such
as
matching
wood,
cladding,
Wood,
Cloud,
Windows,
stone,
accents,
stable
roof
lines,
bay,
window
features
and
bracket
detailing
next
slide.
J
Please
staff
are
of
the
opinion
that
this
proposal
complies
with
The,
Rock,
Cliff,
Park,
hcd
policies
and
guidelines,
and
the
standards
and
guidelines
for
the
conservation
of
historic
places
in
Canada,
the
reasoning
being
that
the
one-story,
Edition
and
accessory
garage
and
pool
house
are
carefully
cited
to
minimize
interruptions
in
the
existing
landscape
and
they
are
lower
in
height
than
the
existing
dwelling
and
use
the
same
natural
materials
as
the
existing
dwellings.
Dwelling
next
slide,
please,
in
terms
of
consultation,
the
application
submission
materials
were
posted
on
the
city's
Dev
apps
website.
J
J
So,
in
conclusion,
staff
are
recommending
the
approval
of
the
proposed
alterations,
inclusive
of
the
new
accessory
building
and
addition
as
conditions
of
approval
staff
are
requesting
that
the
owner
submit
a
Heritage
permit
application
for
the
front
entrance
canopy
to
be
processed
under
delegated
authority.
Since
the
final
design
details
for
that
feature
have
not
yet
been
confirmed.
J
A
D
A
few
comments
to
submission
I
found
the
submission
was
very
well
done
for
the
application.
Just
some
information
in
the
application
I
was
wondering
if
it
could
be
further
continued.
The
information
seems
to
point
that
the
house
was
originally
assessed
as
a
1940s
house,
but
there's
some
evidence
that
was
1914.
D
to
me.
That
should
be
updated
in
their
Heritage
record,
because
one
of
the
key
things
in
Heritage
is
age
and
we'll
change
sort
of
value.
Of
how
you
assess
the
house,
the
house
was
renovated
in
I,
think
2017
2016
changing
the
color
from
red
to
the
current
scheme,
which
is
quite
attractive,
but
it
was
seen
that
the
original
color
was
red
which
included
the
roof
itself
and
where
that
should
be
part
of
the
record
for
the
Heritage
Property
they'll,
be
exciting.
D
To
think
about
the
owner
in
the
report
submitted
that
they
have
found
some
of
the
original
cedar
shingles,
where
the
house
had
been
redone
with
red
asphalt,
shingles.
Having
worked
on
a
couple
of
houses
from
the
period
it's
quite
possible.
The
original
shingle
roof
was
itself
red.
I
recall
working
on
a
house
which
had
cedar
shingles
had
been
re-roofed
a
number
of
times
in
current
memory.
D
I
noted
that,
in
the
application,
the
further
design
of
the
porch
is
still
to
be
considered.
I
would
think
that
perhaps
given
that
there's
been
a
number
of
changes
to
the
original
house,
maybe
the
Porsche
Design
shooting
towards
me
the
original
design.
If
that's
something
to
consider
those
are
my
comments.
Thank.
A
B
This
is
just
a
point
of
clarification
in
the
in
the
presentation:
I
think
the
there's
a
mix
up
in
the
standards
standard
three
is
minimal
intervention
and
it
should
be
Standard
12.
So
this
is
a
rehabilitation
project
and
unfortunately,
I
I
did
not
go
through
the
application
in
quite
like
a
rigorous
level
of
detail.
But
I
would
just
caution
to
make
sure
that
this
really
conforms
to
standard
11,
in
that
new
materials
are
distinguishable
from
the
existing
materials
and
not
trying
to
recreate
something
that
already
exists.
A
C
A
The
last
item
on
our
agenda
is
the
status
update
for
built
Heritage
committee
inquiries.
Emotions
for
the
period
ended
April,
21st,
2023.,
there's
no
presentation
and
there's
been
no
correspondence.
We
don't
have
speakers
on
this
item,
but
does
the
committee
have
any
questions
or
comments
on
this
item?
K
G
H
Is
we
have
not
provided
that
memo,
yet
the
long
answer
is
we
are
still
exploring
this
and
I
think
in
the
context
of
all
the
changes
with
Bill
23
Etc.
That
has
been
delayed
a
little
bit
in
terms
of
how
we're
how
you
know
so
the
landscape
has
shifted
in
the
in
the
last
few
months.
So
I
think
that
is
something
that
we
need
to
put
back
on
the
on
the
front
burner
sooner
rather
than
later,.
G
H
I
think
I
think
the
bill.
23
effects
are
more
some
of
those
properties
that
we
have
not
designated
that
we
would
want
to
see
compelled
those
will
likely
not
have
any
protection
anymore
and
we
won't
be
able
to
do
anything
so
I
think
that's
sort
of
where
I'm
getting
at
with
that
some
of
the
ones
I
think
you
know,
I,
think
former
counselor
McKinney's
motion
was
or
Direction
was
particularly
related,
probably
to
Somerset
house
I.
Think
you
know
nothing
has
really
changed
there
in
terms
of
Bill
23,
but
also
I.
H
As
this
committee
heard
last
year,
you
know
the
city
has
worked
quite
closely
with
this
property
that
property
owner
in
particular,
to
try
to
encourage
Redevelopment
of
that
property
and
have
used
many
of
the
tools
at
our
disposal,
and
we
have
been
making
progress
on
that.
But
that
may
be
something
that
we
need
to
provide
an
update
on
sooner
rather.